I would assume it makes the subject more understandable, as it helped a lot for me to get the details explained with examples in songs in which I like certain effects, but wasn’t sure how to produce them...
Cool, cool. :) One thing though. When you A-B the signal to compare the compressed audio to the original, it helps a lot to lower the volume of the compressed signal because it will end up making it louder (which naturally sounds better to our ears singled out even if it doesn't sit well in the mix).
Loved the sound with the glue Compressor, sounded a hell of a lot more punchy with it. Been really contemplating taking some courses since I'm in Jersey and the NY Studio is a train ride away.
its keeping the volume from going among a certain amount(aka threshhold) and brings out the presence that those loud noises drown out and creates good groove when done properly
I have to admit....the day Live 9 came out I used The Glue and immediately noticed it was unlike any other compressor I have then I discovered it's modeled after the SSL G Compressor. Thanks Cytomic and Ableton.
that's definitely a great use of parallel compression, but using this technique can let you bring out some smashed characteristics of the drums while still letting certain elements of the sound breathe.
when i was young i had no ideea how compressor affects my mix, but now i can hear that, this is something which will come in some time, it is no because of your monitors it is about your ears
I understand what you're saying. We teach those pieces of software. If you dig a little bit, you'll find tons of videos on Logic (a few of which I've done) and a lot of stuff on other third party plugins.
so instead of reducing everything above the threshhold by a factor of the ratio & boosting the entire gain, you can boost the gain using the original sample by mixing it back in with dry/wet
yeah after like 2 years of listening, it starts getting easier to use these subtle things like compression and hear what that difference it makes and why you would want it
I'll have to somewhat agree on this. The changes are there, but the music's level is low in this tut. I had to turn my system up higher than normal to feel the changes. Could be UA-cam's compression scheme robbing the kick/bass of its punch.
Is it a good practice to leave the kick/drum outside of the DrumBUS where we apply the compression in order to preserve the kick transients? What are you thoughts on this one? Cheers.
I understand that using regular laptop speakers is a problem with hearing much change, but even with decent monitors, I'm having trouble hearing much of a difference in my own tracks when I do those subtle changes. Is this something that will come with experience, or do I need hearing aids? =p
I dont understand why when I turn the ratio up, I get less gain reduction. It should be the other way around. Higher ratio should equal more gain reduction, but with the glue comp, i get less. Im so confused.
probably because higher ratio = also harder knee. Some compressors could me modelled like that. WIth harder knee you may get less reduction. With too low threshold or very loud sound, it would be the other way, more GR with more ratio, even if knee is hard.
Holy guacamole! Just realised I've been compressing very wrongly! Whenever I go to sidechain comp I used to think it was simply making the sound go quieter, not compressing it as well. I had a plain compressor doing its job before the sidechain compressor so it was being compressed hard, twice!.... I feel like I should be making bro-step :(
Listen for the adjectives he uses: warmth fuzz bounce etc. It should be pretty apparent. If not, consider better monitors or headphones and spend as much time as you need to pick up on it.
I sometimes choose fastest attack on mixbus compressor. Whichever sounds better on that particular song. With low ratio there would still be transients. It's a rms detection compressor anyway, not peak.
+Drayton Graca no, its a simple dry/wet knob. really useful imo, so you dont have to send the signal to a send to get this parallel compression as he mentioned
ahah thank you, so parallel compression can also be achieved easily just by using ableton's normal compresson and playing around with the dry/wet knob?
Could someone please tell me what the units are for attack and release on this comp? Glue comps should have longish attacks, yes, i.e. 100 mS, 200 mS, 300 mS, etc. as serving suggestions with releases in the almost seconds or more area. Without units you don't know if your measuring apples, bananas, seconds, milliseconds or who knows what? I assume the attack values are seconds however it is not explicitly stated on the GUI. I guess I am asking if the manual tells you this because, as someone who does not own Ableton (yet?), I have low confidence as to what I should expect to hear.
This is especially a problem when EQ'ing. I can't hear the subtleties like a .5 db increase to low frequencies. As I said, I'm using decent monitors. I've tried headphones, also, and I still can't hear much.
sorry to bother but a bit sad to see a parallel comp setting with a release set too long... If you listen carefully at 3'21 you hear a lil peak on the first signal that hit the comp after the comp never comes back to zero so the signal is just simply lowered and actually not really compressed.. also why don't you turn down that attack time more? to hit more the soft clip?
I don't understand why people use "parallel compression" when it comes to sample based beats. I mix professionally and really heard nothing different in this before and after. Parallel compression is something you would use on LIVE drums, where the fast attack and fast release brings out the sound of the room, and of course you then blend that with the uncompressed signal. But on samples there's nothing to bring out. If you want sample based beats to sound better use EQ, transient shapers and
Im not reffering to this particular video, im talking about the fact that ur 99 Prozent showing everything with NI or Ableton. And not even mentioning the other stuff that is around..
1. you dont need 2 channels for an external dry/wet mix, all you need is an audio rack preset you can make yourself in a minute or even less 2. if you compress on the master bus, you take "some of the work made in the mastering" away. remember that the usual mastering chain is some kind and or multiple instances of eq(s) -> comp(s) -> limiter/maximizer
I don't think I said anything in this video about this compressor being 'the best' or 'better' than anything else. I wanted to show some techniques that are widely used and how they sound with this particular plugin.
A few things : - It doesn't explain what make it different from non-glue compressor (except dropping the SSL buzzword in our face) - Why having it in parallel instead of using the dry/wet knob ? Also, why make it parallel during a tutorial, it doesn't help, it make things more difficult. - eat your own dogfood when saying "trust your ears" - range knob ? - It didn't make the track any better.
Yeah I wasn't too sure myself except that the Glue is touted as ideal for groups and the master channel not individual tracks. I found a quote by Don Smith (U2, Tom Petty etc.) who says ... "(The SSL Bus Compressor) is an aggressive compressor with a very distinct sonic signature." I'll have to do some A/B tests myself to see if I can hear a difference between the Glue and the regular compressor. Here's more info: help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209070389-Overview-on-Compressor-Multiband-Dynamics-and-Glue
I got the trial and i definitely get some great punchyness using this on drums with the max ratio. I'll give you that it might be difficult to hear difference in this video but you definitely can hear some. Might be your speakers or/and the youtube compression.
why is it that the most talented music tutorial people drop the most bootleg songs for us to learn from? lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 been watching tutorial vids since 2012... I couldn't agree more
I would assume it makes the subject more understandable, as it helped a lot for me to get the details explained with examples in songs in which I like certain effects, but wasn’t sure how to produce them...
been neglecting this compressor all these years lol. that soft clip is so good
Cool, cool. :) One thing though. When you A-B the signal to compare the compressed audio to the original, it helps a lot to lower the volume of the compressed signal because it will end up making it louder (which naturally sounds better to our ears singled out even if it doesn't sit well in the mix).
This is now my favorite built-in plugin of any DAW I've used. Glorious.
Loved the sound with the glue Compressor, sounded a hell of a lot more punchy with it. Been really contemplating taking some courses since I'm in Jersey and the NY Studio is a train ride away.
its keeping the volume from going among a certain amount(aka threshhold) and brings out the presence that those loud noises drown out and creates good groove when done properly
audio engineering is so dam confusing, every little thing takes an astronomical amount of time to learn, understand, and implement.
1Lifeonearth there’s definitely a loooooot to learn. Part of what makes it such a cool hobby tho
I have to admit....the day Live 9 came out I used The Glue and immediately noticed it was unlike any other compressor I have then I discovered it's modeled after the SSL G Compressor. Thanks Cytomic and Ableton.
I was gonna "buy" the ssl g compressor plug in before I read this
that's definitely a great use of parallel compression, but using this technique can let you bring out some smashed characteristics of the drums while still letting certain elements of the sound breathe.
when i was young i had no ideea how compressor affects my mix, but now i can hear that, this is something which will come in some time, it is no because of your monitors it is about your ears
This is something that will come with experience. Your ears will learn. Trust em.
Be my guest, and be prepared to be impressed. That comp is the bomb on just about anything.
I understand what you're saying. We teach those pieces of software.
If you dig a little bit, you'll find tons of videos on Logic (a few of which I've done) and a lot of stuff on other third party plugins.
really like that funky groove!
That tune is pure sweetness! XD
Evan Sutton delivers again, great vid!
so instead of reducing everything above the threshhold by a factor of the ratio & boosting the entire gain, you can boost the gain using the original sample by mixing it back in with dry/wet
Umm, do you have that song available on youtube? It is awesome!
Thank you! Please do a tutorial on the granulator! Loving live 9.
Every time I watch these I'm like "I need to effing get to Dubspot."
And this dude is pretty dang good at explaining lol
Yeah, I use kick layering too but I usually don't compress them. Thanks for the quick reply.
yeah after like 2 years of listening, it starts getting easier to use these subtle things like compression and hear what that difference it makes and why you would want it
Sounding good
actually if you look at the level meter it stays relatively the same. it just sounds louder because its being limited.
yep! right click the sample, choose "Show Fades," and it will show envelopes for every clip in the arrangement. from there click and drag.
I'll have to somewhat agree on this. The changes are there, but the music's level is low in this tut. I had to turn my system up higher than normal to feel the changes. Could be UA-cam's compression scheme robbing the kick/bass of its punch.
Live 9 tutorials were coming out 5 years ago what even is time
That really tied the room together dude
Is it a good practice to leave the kick/drum outside of the DrumBUS where we apply the compression in order to preserve the kick transients?
What are you thoughts on this one?
Cheers.
thanks! maybe i'll release this track one of these days.
glad to see someone knowing Live and not producing house music )) good instructor!
I understand that using regular laptop speakers is a problem with hearing much change, but even with decent monitors, I'm having trouble hearing much of a difference in my own tracks when I do those subtle changes. Is this something that will come with experience, or do I need hearing aids? =p
love the track
I use Ableton Live 9 and I have many compressors at my disposal, which compressor do you guys prefer to use for parallel compression?
How long have you been at it? Give it a year + to hear the subtleties of compressing (the sound)
Lovely video!
Thank You for the tutorial. The tutorial helped me allot
Thanks. Very nice.
It is indeed cool. But I've used the SSL bus compressor and it's just UNREAL
Nice, thank you.
I see it has the Cytomic logo on it. Is it the same as The Glue compressor, just in native Ableton form?
thanks for the tips man
is it possible to fade in/out an audio sample on ableton as fast as cubase?(drag and drop from left to right and vice versa)
I dont understand why when I turn the ratio up, I get less gain reduction. It should be the other way around. Higher ratio should equal more gain reduction, but with the glue comp, i get less. Im so confused.
probably because higher ratio = also harder knee. Some compressors could me modelled like that. WIth harder knee you may get less reduction. With too low threshold or very loud sound, it would be the other way, more GR with more ratio, even if knee is hard.
i love that clap, where is it from?
Holy guacamole! Just realised I've been compressing very wrongly! Whenever I go to sidechain comp I used to think it was simply making the sound go quieter, not compressing it as well. I had a plain compressor doing its job before the sidechain compressor so it was being compressed hard, twice!.... I feel like I should be making bro-step :(
Do you compress each drum or just the drums together?
if drum not punchy enough I could compress it with slow attack, and then bus compression for glue percurssive instruments.
dope tutorial
What is the Range knob for? Is it just like a limit or something ?
Listen for the adjectives he uses: warmth fuzz bounce etc. It should be pretty apparent. If not, consider better monitors or headphones and spend as much time as you need to pick up on it.
what to the numbers stand for on the attack and release knobs
Why did you choose an attack around 1 ms for your drums? I've often heard to have a longer attack for drums to allow the transients to get through.
I sometimes choose fastest attack on mixbus compressor. Whichever sounds better on that particular song.
With low ratio there would still be transients. It's a rms detection compressor anyway, not peak.
you guys have great videos! Thanks =)
r you still doing classes in nyc
Can we find the name of the song somewhere please?
is the dry/wet on the glue any different from the dry/wet on the regular ableton compressor?
+Drayton Graca
no, its a simple dry/wet knob. really useful imo, so you dont have to send the signal to a send to get this parallel compression as he mentioned
ahah thank you, so parallel compression can also be achieved easily just by using ableton's normal compresson and playing around with the dry/wet knob?
does the Glue Comp thesame as a Transient Master?
why parallel compression when you have a dry wet knob which job is to set the balance...
Thanks much!
Could someone please tell me what the units are for attack and release on this comp? Glue comps should have longish attacks, yes, i.e. 100 mS, 200 mS, 300 mS, etc. as serving suggestions with releases in the almost seconds or more area. Without units you don't know if your measuring apples, bananas, seconds, milliseconds or who knows what? I assume the attack values are seconds however it is not explicitly stated on the GUI. I guess I am asking if the manual tells you this because, as someone who does not own Ableton (yet?), I have low confidence as to what I should expect to hear.
+richmaloon the info view description says they're milliseconds for attack and seconds for release
+taids Thnx
This is especially a problem when EQ'ing. I can't hear the subtleties like a .5 db increase to low frequencies. As I said, I'm using decent monitors. I've tried headphones, also, and I still can't hear much.
thank you !
Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Cheers Evan, sorted ;)
Nice !
Is that maybe analogous to saying U2 seems like a commercial for guitars?
Ok. Thanks for all the obvious stuff.
Now tell us how you made that synthline that drops @ 5:35
is it recommended using it on master? not just a channel xx
True, but i think they show them as absolutes without alternatives.
Thank you..
on what level of ableton live course will we have this teacher?
ArmorKingEmir idk mid
sorry to bother but a bit sad to see a parallel comp setting with a release set too long... If you listen carefully at 3'21 you hear a lil peak on the first signal that hit the comp after the comp never comes back to zero so the signal is just simply lowered and actually not really compressed.. also why don't you turn down that attack time more? to hit more the soft clip?
I don't understand why people use "parallel compression" when it comes to sample based beats. I mix professionally and really heard nothing different in this before and after. Parallel compression is something you would use on LIVE drums, where the fast attack and fast release brings out the sound of the room, and of course you then blend that with the uncompressed signal. But on samples there's nothing to bring out. If you want sample based beats to sound better use EQ, transient shapers and
One more click, enable the fade automation then do it.
Thanks! ;)
It's all in the subtleties...especially with mix buss compression. Less is more!
Mac or PC?
the key word is subtle, if it way obvious, it isn't subtle is it?
Try this one - it's very transparent but sounds really nice. And free!
Google : Tdr feedback compressor
64-bit as well. cheers jakobole! :)
If you cant hear the difference, how do you know it ruined the song??
Everyone on ableton check out the f9 audio paralell processing suite - only £15
I guess you could say that a lot of guitar teachers are advertisers for Fender and Gibson.
Im not reffering to this particular video, im talking about the fact that ur 99 Prozent showing everything with NI or Ableton. And not even mentioning the other stuff that is around..
this song reminds me a bit of boys noize
1. you dont need 2 channels for an external dry/wet mix, all you need is an audio rack preset you can make yourself in a minute or even less
2. if you compress on the master bus, you take "some of the work made in the mastering" away.
remember that the usual mastering chain is
some kind and or multiple instances of eq(s) -> comp(s) -> limiter/maximizer
Google : Tdr Feedback Compressor
It's very very nice - and free! On of my favourites
I don't think I said anything in this video about this compressor being 'the best' or 'better' than anything else. I wanted to show some techniques that are widely used and how they sound with this particular plugin.
I like without master bus glue
Allmost no low end on the audio here....
jakobole shit headphones
A few things :
- It doesn't explain what make it different from non-glue compressor (except dropping the SSL buzzword in our face)
- Why having it in parallel instead of using the dry/wet knob ? Also, why make it parallel during a tutorial, it doesn't help, it make things more difficult.
- eat your own dogfood when saying "trust your ears"
- range knob ?
- It didn't make the track any better.
seriously !!!!!!
Yeah I wasn't too sure myself except that the Glue is touted as ideal for groups and the master channel not individual tracks. I found a quote by Don Smith (U2, Tom Petty etc.) who says ... "(The SSL Bus Compressor) is an aggressive compressor with a very distinct sonic signature." I'll have to do some A/B tests myself to see if I can hear a difference between the Glue and the regular compressor. Here's more info:
help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209070389-Overview-on-Compressor-Multiband-Dynamics-and-Glue
"punchyness", "glue" ... I still hear no diference. What's that thing doing at all?
get better speakers dude
It's compressing the sound to make it smaller yet louder. I use it a lot with drums/808s.
I got the trial and i definitely get some great punchyness using this on drums with the max ratio.
I'll give you that it might be difficult to hear difference in this video but you definitely can hear some. Might be your speakers or/and the youtube compression.
Yep, I'm pretty it sure it's the same.
wow!!! hyper compression!
It will come with experience. You need to "learn how to listen". Took me years!
***** lol, just thought the same when i heard that.
Im so pissed they put this in Ableton I bought the full version of this compressor.. I like my version better!
PC.
With the difference, that Ableton isn't making the best VST compressors, and Native Instruments arent making the best VST synths
I could not hear the real difference with it , it ruined the song.