Radio Failure on My First Night Flight
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As an ex safety manager of a large club I only can applause his honesty to publish this video. In my previous life as an airline pilot this is really the "just culture". He could have opted not to, very easily. Avoiding the public execution.
Yes he made mistakes but we all get a good reminder OF NOT getting into that trap. In the end the net result is, way better than focusing on punishing the person.
Indeed the confirmation bias is a nasty one, long time pilots ALL have been there some way or another.
Added to an eagerness to make the test flight, it makes one see that it can happen to even experienced flyers as Ryan is.
With age creeping in, I more and more realise the xxthousands of hours don't protect me from making basic mistakes like this one. I am getting more and more humble by the day. Hope to reach a point where I DECIDE to call it quits, but till that moment, flying in a safe manner.
#wellsaid
This is a good example of how easy it can be to overlook or doubt an instrument failure due to confirmation bias.
On the one hand the landing lights not activating, and later other aircraft not responding should have been a giveaway of a faulty radio. On the other hand there's bias due to a positive earlier radio test, an uncontrolled airport, prior history of other aircraft not responding at this airport, and doubt around the activation time & operational status of the runway lights.
Couple that with the distraction of sorting out new landing / cockpit lights and a lack of night flight currency.
It's easy to see how things like confirmation bias & compounding factors can quickly add up to potential trouble, and could catch out even highly experienced pilots.
His radio test earlier was with his hand-held unit so even with the antenna disconnected he would still get a good test. He saw several airplanes active and should have been very suspicious of his lack of any radio traffic. At least unsquelch the radio for a listen.
@@TheGregstorm I am appalled by his many problematic breakages and failures since he got this STOL. The man is dangerous at any speed IMO.
@@TheGregstorm I was screaming at the screen saying, "No let's NOT try one more!" and get on the ground and stay there until you see what's wrong. Ryan has stated many times he's not an electrical (electronics) person, which is always a thing to be self aware of, (Dirty Harry's "Man's got to know his limitations") but he needs to be sensitive to that as a blind spot to monitor, not to ignore OR assume all is good, until it is not.
If one owns a portable aviation transceiver (handheld) then one may want to always have it available for backup comms.
This is a good lesson for people watching: In the moment, the radio is on, the switches are selected properly, haven't done the pilot activated lighting for years, the radio is recently worked on, so I must be doing something wrong. Thanks for sharing! Only radio failure I've ever had was at night! Of course! and in Class B.....
This video makes me want an experimental. I love that you are modifying things and testing things as you go. Love it!
Great video. You should verify your transmit power and quality now, after connecting the antenna. It is possible that reflected power from transmitting without an antenna connected could damage the transmit finals in the radio.
I did test it with another plane the other day and it seemed to work fine
@@MissionaryBushPilot Virtually all modern radios including Icom's have circuitry to prevent transmitter power. As you press the PTT, the transmitter checks the SWR, if it's too high it reduces the power to prevent damage.
When you checked your radio with the handheld, it is likely they were close enough to get the signal. At our shop, we have a special channel to call in to confirm the radio (s) are working. Glad you found the disconnected antenna.
At my local airports you have to push the botton slower for it to work. Im sure it wasnt working since it wasnt receiving your radio transmission. But I have to push the button slower 5 times for it to work.
Crazy idea: Rotate your taxi camera monitor upwards and under the dash and mount a mirror (plastic/metal) where the display was and adjust it to allow you to see the monitor, that should correct your reversed view. I am not a pilot I am just guy who thinkers around a lot... Loving your KitFox videos, cool little plane!
It is essential to ensure connection of antenna to radio transmitter prior to operation. ❤
I did test the radio with a hand-held, but that test worked because the handheld was close to the radio
One piece of equipment I always kept in my flight bag was a handheld that allowed me to contact approach even with a full electrical failure. My handheld was "like" the SP-400 Handheld NAV/COM Aviation Radio from Sporty's, but not quite as fancy, and it saved my bacon on a return IFR flight from Sacramento to Long Beach when everything electrical disappeared. Icontacted approach and flew a VOR approach into Long Beach. Turned out the battery had an internal short. Red interior lighting was very bright, the GoPro 11 has pretty good light sensitivity at lower resolution. Nice setup all the way around.
The lights look great!
Love the LED lights, landing lights strobes. Looks really good Ryan. You take care…….Roger
Cool lights! they look and perform great. Just a reminder, just remember there is a difference between calling "touch and go", vs calling "stop and go" and calling "Full stop" each with its own meaning and per FAA regs, (for currency purposes) landings at night are to be made to a full stop.
Your cameras are really clear, even in the dark. Awesome video. Thanks for posting.
As you already know since you edited the video those red lights allow us to see wonderfully. Love the videos, look forward to the next one.
Enjoyed the video. Thanks. The overhead interior lights work well for the cameras, almost too bright at the brightest. Looks like fun!
nice video.. glad you got the radio fixed... one thing i would comment on is the charge voltage... 11 volts at idle is a little low to be honest... and only running at 13 volts at full power is also a little disconcerting.... you might want to check the output of your alternator/generator you should be at around 13.8 volts all the time irrespective of engine rpm. the other thing is your landing lights appear to be facing down a little more than they should ... they should be quite a lot if front of you
I think it was at 13.8, I just said 13. I'll check again this week
@@MissionaryBushPilot yea that's fine during flight, but it should still be around the same while idle too... if you have a way to check the current draw i would check that and also put ameter across the battery to see what it actually is, it could be your instruments are just reading low at idle.
@@WX4CBI like where your head is but amperage is measured in series and would blow the 10a fuse in an ammeter if he disconnected the terminal and inserted it in line. A physical ammeter guage is usually installed in series or series parrallel to the solenoid or ignition fuse box to accomplish this. He would need a clamp on DC ammeter rated for at least 40A to check it at the battery.
@@scheidtenatorgaming i know it is that's what im talking about there should be an ammeter in the electrical system or in the case of our dynons we use at school it's part of the dynon avionics. but he needs to check the idle current draw at the battery which with everything off and the engine not runnign should be next to zero so the 10 amp fuse in the meter will be fine. but you dont need to worry about that fuse to make sure that the battery is getting the correct charging voltage which is across the battery :D
@@scheidtenatorgaming the point i was trying to make is that the charge voltage should be 13 odd volts at all times and not just when the engine is at power
Glad everything worked out with the radio!🙏
The engine sounds really smooth!
Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
You really, scare the hell outa' me!
The word Experimental is not heavy enough for ..............
Two summers ago as we approached our airport (KHHG), the runway lights didn’t come on. I asked my wife if she saw the airport and she thought I was messing with her. I had the traffic pattern approach set up in ForeFlight and it said we we were right over the airport. I could tell by the light on the damn south of the airport we were in the right area. Finally the runway lights came on but as I turned base they shut off. Back story- the runway sits 3/4 in a wooded area, there was no moon out and I think that’s the first I’ve flown at night with no moon light. I have about 850hours with 11 hours at night (3 hours just in the past few weeks of this flight) so I was a nervous. On the 3rd approach, they just stayed on long enough short of final. I was ready to go into Ft Wayne International but kinda wondered if it was the radio. Come to find out the airport had to make a repair. They worked the night before just fine.
I really enjoy your videos, and love your humility and great personality. Keep up the fantastic work.
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I think humility would be more like not doing 4 extra landings suspecting something may be wrong... You and I have a very different understanding of humility.
@@TMacDo243 He didn't know his radio wasn't working until he was back on the ground. FYI....radio communication at a non-towered airport in not required, it is recommend, but not required. So he did everything correctly. His landing, stobe , and position lights were on.
I have never been night flying in a small plane so, yes, I did enjoy your video and look forward to many more. Thanks so much!
G,day Captain Ryan from Sydney Australia. The Kitfox STOL (your plane) is set; and look fabulous.
I haven't been "bingeing" on PNG Kodiak for awhile. In saying that, I'll get back to it. Its you after all.
Peaceful landings!
John🌏🇭🇲
Kingman Arizona!!! Visited there many years ago during a Grand Canyon, etc. trip. Nice.
Enjoyed the vid Ryan. I fly a ppg trike and last night either myself or a small airplane that was landing had comms trouble. Pretty sure he wasn’t sending since the day before I was talking with a life flight helicopter. Off to the strip to test now. Cheers🇨🇦🇺🇸
Very Nice Ryan . . . you're living a dream . . . after installing your antenna, did your transceiver function OK ? Transmitting without an antenna can potentially damage the transmitter. Hopefully not; it probably has a "fold back" circuit to protect itself. Icom is a good brand; I have many. Bob
Yes, once I plugged in the radio antenna, it worked fine
@@MissionaryBushPilot Good Deal Ryan . . . . We love your channel . . . . keep the content flowing. Bob
There is so much ambient light at KIGM that you can safely land without any runway lights if you are familiar.
Love the experimentation and the vid where you installed the landing lights. but....Lose the red disco lights. Distracting as a passenger, probably more so as a pilot.
Really enjoying your videos Ryan. Keep 'em coming :)
That was great. Your cameras work really well, even in low-light conditions.
You might consider adding a camera under the cowl as Trent utilizes for taxi.
Nice thank you learning curve for sure on the radio repairs
Cameras worked well with red lighting...definitely need a directed light on the panel...amazing what LED lights have done for aviation lighting...the old halogens were really lacking back then...Great flight..
Good flight.
I really enjoy all your videos and want to say thank you, have a great day!
Great video. The in cockpit lights work well.
It might be good to see if you can pick up an antenna tuning meter(RF meter) to test radio output, and antenna tuning. It needs to be designed for your operational frequencies. I’d imagine a professional meter might be a bit expensive, but I’ve an economical one that I picked up off the internet. Very handy to have.
You can burn out the radio amplifier when not connected to an antenna and you transmit. Maybe modern radios have some sort of protection built in, but definitely worth looking into.
Yeah that's what everyone is saying. I had no idea, or that the radio wasn't transmitting properly
Love your videos Ryan, but continuing after already knowing you could be having radio issues, as well as the runway lights issue was not good judgement in my opinion, stay safe.
Hey Ryan, you definitely should be holding 13.8 even at idle, unles you are using a dyno instead of alternator. I see you are running the Icom A210 radio, I have one as my COM2 and if there is an antenna problem, it will beep loudly at you and display TX ERROR.
Looks like kingman is pilot controlled lighting. I believe they are set on a 10 min timer that’s why they kept going off
Modern transceivers have diodes to protect the finals when this happens. My rotax doesn’t really charge until you’ve got about 2k on the tach.
Enjoy your time here before you go back to PNG. I'm sure that it's a fun flight from there to PNG just like it is for my wife and I when we fly from LAX to Manila. It's just a short 15 hour flight lol
Yes make sure lack of proper antenna connection RF didn't damage the transmitter!
Keep making great videos!
Also, what brand of jacket is that?
Thanks. It's from Aeropostale...many years ago
cool video Ryan
Thanks....
Believe you always need to carry an hand held radio in your aviation bag. Better to have it and not need it then don't have and need it!!
In this situation, if you have doubts about your radio working correctly, would it have been a good idea to try and confirm that at least the transmitter is working, by asking the other pilot in the circuit to turn on the runway lighting for you? Or switch their own lighting, etc
Hind sight is 20/20, good opportunity to learn from experiences like this
@@MissionaryBushPilot Not accusing or blaming, just asking as someone with intentions of getting a PPL myself :)
And how do you propose that Ryan "communicate" with the other pilot in the circuit, pray tell?
Ryan I realize your radio was not putting out because your antenna was disconnected. You might try clicking a little bit slower so the systems are old and try five clicks
Could you servo actuate one or both of the landing lights? This would allow you to adjust them as needed from the cockpit. You could have position modes like straight ahead, landing, taxiing.
Yes I have seen another plane like that before
@@MissionaryBushPilot It is actually pretty easy with cheap hobby electronics. I do it on my quadcopter for FPV cameras. Would not add much weight either.
Awesome flight!
Transmitting without your antenae conected is bad for the radio as there`s is no resistence and blown finals could result.
When you don’t get a reply to your transmissions, your radios are out!😮😮😮
Interesting flight, no runway light no radio. Hope it’s an easy fix for you.
Ah, you know what you did wrong with the radio. When you couldn't contact the other pilot and you already had questions about the radio it was really time to quit. It would be good if the red lights were out of shot. I've never seen the attraction of lighting my feet. When you headed off to do another circuit after the lights came back on that was a really questionable decision. That sounded like the setup for an accident report. Why didn't you take the handheld with you as a backup?
Didn't think to take the hand held because I had already tested it and it was working with the handheld the day before
Do you carry a HT radio? (Hand held Transmitter) A small Yeasu or Icom would be a great standby, just in case you find you're NORDO in the future. Cheers from Winnipeg.
I have in the past, but not this flight
My son is getting his pilot's license just over the hill in Bullhead.
I'm curious to see if clicking the radio that fast works with a functional radio. For my home airport I have to click much more slowly or they won't come on.
Same thought here. I never would get the lights on at my home airport clicking that fast.
Agree. Those are very fast clicks.
You can damage the radio transmitting without an antenna.
Didn't it concern you that you were not hearing other traffic on the radio?
There has been two other times that people have not transmitted before at this airport, so I didn't think of it too much at the time
I hope you didn't wreak your radio by transmitting so many times without the antenna attached. That is not good for a radio, speaking from an Amateur Radio Operator's perspective.
I had no idea
We use a marine VHF. Did not know THAT.👍
Yes, broadcasting without an antenna or dummy load can cook the finals. I think most of the newer solid state transmitters automatically kill the amplifier when transmitting without an antenna.
What is with all of those commercial jets parked all over the place there?
Storage
Runway lights on and off, on and off. Ryan: “I can hardly see the runway so I better make this the last one”. Runway lights come on for no apparent reason, so Ryan decides to do one more circuit even though he should realise that he cannot turn the runway lights on and if the runway lights go out he now may not be able to see the runway or turn the runway lights on! Geez!!!
If the goal of this video is to help others avoid making the same #dumb mistakes then success.
Sounds like you are clicking the radio WAY too fast.. try a slow deliberate keying..like half second or even one second intervals.
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NICE TO SEE YOU AT NIGHT
Lots of criticism and controversy in the comments re where was your handheld? at point should you realize you had a radio problem? As a long time subscriber I have watched in all of you videos, and witnessed the caution, good judgement, and piloting skills that kept you alive in PPG. The comments may have a couple valid points but I did not see in the video any risk to your life or the lives of others. Radio failure- yes. Completely safe flight - I would say also yes, but just IMHO. As to the red LEDs - I guess they have night vision purpose, but on the video, Ugh. As always looking forward to,your next vid. 😎
I've read all the comments, learned some things. Hind sight is always 20/20, and looking into the future, I have a better plan of action if something like that were to happen again. I've learnt everyone has the answer when they are sitting in the stands.
@@MissionaryBushPilot You should be the one sitting in the stands. JMO
How can you tolerate so much illumination in the cabin at night?
The cameras make it look brighter
If i grow up i will be you a pilot
what bracket did you use to mount the back-up camera monitor?
It came with one
Thanks, I've been wanting to do that to my RV-6
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The cockpit lights remind me of a strip club [upholstered sewer] I was in, once. 😵💫
A$$clown delluxe
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Didn't the lack of response from ATC give you a clue that your radio wasn't working?
There is not ATC at an uncontrolled airport
Just a suggestion: click 5 times within 5 seconds, not within 1 second! Slow it down buddy, otherwise it just sounds like static...
Hey Ryan, just wondering, it had been 4 years since your last night flight, what are the recency requirements(if any)for night VFR to fly solo?
There are no currency requirements for solo night flights, but to carry passengers he has to have 3 take off and landings to a full stop at night in the last 90 days.
Just for carrying passengers is there a rule
@@MissionaryBushPilot Correct, but at Flyhigh said, the landings must be to full stop, so with touch and goes you did not meet the technical requirements.
Night landings? That’s not night mate…wait until it’s pitch black then call it night!!
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I am wondering, where is your handheld radio as a secondary redundancy? At night flight a must have. As you see your radio can fail and you won’t be able to light up the runway. And nobody can hear you either. You are a professional pilot. Right? With the handheld you could figure out, that the runway light works and you have radio issues. You even realize this and you take off again??? The lights where turned on by the other plane. Not the lights are stupid…maybe the pilot???Take care…😊❤
I actually didn't know it didn't work until the next day.
Cool your jets mr pro pilot.
Seems he didn't recognize there was a failure until his last pattern. He had checked his radio against his handheld before flying - he thought his equipment was good. He maintained visual separation (backed up by ADSB) and treated the other aircraft as if they were not transmitting / receiving. As soon as he determined the problem - he ended it and fixed it before flying again. He has plenty of experience operating where radio communication is not available. Go have a gin and relax.
@@PoasLodge NO he didnt end the flight at all. I watched at least 3 circuits where he was getting no answer from the radio or hearing other traffic. Also, he might be maintaining visual separation from the aircraft he knows about, but as his radio wasnt working he had no idea if anybody else was flying around and wanting to join the circuit. Also without a radio other pilots who cant see him at night, wont know he is there, or his relative location.
Also if you think your radio is dodgy he should have put 7600 on his transponder. (which may not have worked either).
Having a backup radio completely independant of the aircraft systems is just common sense, be pro active, not reactive.
A lot of assumptions there. In Class E Non-towered... tell me what equipment is REQUIRED?
@@PoasLodge Are you a bean counter? I heard a bean counter thinking process.
Dude. Love your channel. But come on!! How many signs did you need to figure out you were being dangerous?? It’s one thing to fly in and land without radio contact but you saw several planes and the lights were not coming on for your clicks. Were you being hyper aware of other planes who you may have been scaring the shit out of? When you saw a second plane and didn’t hear them why didn’t you get on your local ATC Freq (approach, center, advisory, SOME manned freq) and ask for a radio check. What you did was extremely dangerous. Hope it’s a learning lesson to anyone watching. Which is why you posted this I hope. There are a lot of ways to test your radios once in the air. If you’re seeing planes and not hearing pilots (and you can’t get the runway lights to come on by clicking on the CTAF) YOURE THE PROBLEM! Don’t keep flying around in the pattern at dusk just thinking everyone will see you without hearing you.
I have had two other times where other pilots have not made their calls at this airport. I initially just thought he wasn't making calls
He has marvelous excuses deluxe doesn't he?
Ryan, the red lights look good but the red light on your feet needs to be independently adjustable to off. In fact I reckon you don’t need the red light on your feet as it’s a distraction and is also a space which does not warrant highlighting! Mate, it took you way too long to figure out your radio wasn’t working! Yep, you need a handheld backup!
Wondering when he will put spinning hubcaps on.
...but she's pretty!