Has Identity Politics Done More Harm Than Good? - Lionel Shriver | Intelligence Squared

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  • Опубліковано 29 жов 2024

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  • @TheWhitehiker
    @TheWhitehiker Рік тому +12

    Lionel--a train to truth.

  • @altnarrative
    @altnarrative 2 роки тому +28

    Devastatingly accurate

  • @SvenErik_Lindstrom3
    @SvenErik_Lindstrom3 Рік тому +3

    One of the best 8 minutes of my life.

  • @cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849
    @cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 2 роки тому +14

    Identity politics is inhumane

  • @zeusandi8514
    @zeusandi8514 Рік тому +3

    What an intelligent, eloquent woman 👏👏👏

  • @888Gypsy888
    @888Gypsy888 2 роки тому +18

    I for one like her rendition with no apologies! Short, sweet and to the point.

  • @GUMMRUCHK
    @GUMMRUCHK 2 роки тому +34

    What good has identity politics even done?

  • @GuyLakeman
    @GuyLakeman 2 роки тому +4

    MUCH MORE HARM AS IT HAS DISTRACTED FROM PRIORITY PROBLEMS IN SOCIETY

  • @getsmart3701
    @getsmart3701 2 роки тому +9

    I'm a big fan of Lionel Shriver and that short, concise and humorous take on the poison othat is identity politics is one of the reasons why.

  • @uncletungsten5253
    @uncletungsten5253 11 місяців тому +1

    Oh make this woman President of the world!! She’s SUPERB!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

  • @steveboyd3455
    @steveboyd3455 2 роки тому +8

    It does seem like some people have trained themselves to actively seek to interpret almost anything as an opportunity to be offended and be a victim. There is an attribution effect to this sort of thinking; meaning something adverse happens and the issue is to what does one attribute the outcome - example one applies for a job and does not get it and one attributes the reason for not getting the job offer to racism, etc. when that may have nothing at all to do with the result. Perhaps there was just a better more experienced candidate.

  • @jameslabs1
    @jameslabs1 Рік тому +1

    Refreshing.

  • @will903
    @will903 9 місяців тому

    Brilliant.

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому +1

    All beautiful until one starts changing the meaning of words!

  • @paulgreen4161
    @paulgreen4161 Рік тому

    Yes!

  • @bwilson948
    @bwilson948 6 місяців тому

    YES

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому

    Sycophant is the Identity of all in these times of changing meaning’s of Words

  • @jjalexg82
    @jjalexg82 Рік тому +2

    This is what conservatives have been saying for a long time.

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому +1

    We get what we are ignorant of!

  • @ahmednur1405
    @ahmednur1405 2 роки тому +1

    I would like you to invite 2 religious advocators of different religion and let the audiances choose

  • @GodsCosmicBollock
    @GodsCosmicBollock 2 роки тому

    This is from a while ago isn't it?

  • @SnakeAndTurtleQigong
    @SnakeAndTurtleQigong 2 роки тому +2

    I don’t appreciate when any side of a debate uses a straw man argument. “These people are like this.”
    We need to do better than this.

  • @just_another32
    @just_another32 2 роки тому +4

    this is really old... why on earth re-post a clip from a video that is years old and don't include the date??

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock 2 роки тому +3

      Because it remains a relevant as ever.

    • @just_another32
      @just_another32 2 роки тому +3

      @@SirAntoniousBlock ok granted, but at least put the darn date. I thought it was new content. Grr

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock 2 роки тому

      @@just_another32 There is nothing new under the sun.

    • @sid6856
      @sid6856 2 роки тому +1

      @@SirAntoniousBlock Why you even answering to a slow 🐌 OCD metal patient who can't get over the fact they didn't post a date ? 😂🤣😂🤣 Victoria is the type of girl that is a nightmare to date. Damn if you do, damn if you don't, nothing is ever pitch perfect in her mind. I thinks it's call BPD 😂🤣😂

    • @just_another32
      @just_another32 2 роки тому

      @@dee_seejay Yes, that's it. Thank you

  • @pouetpouetdaddy5
    @pouetpouetdaddy5 2 роки тому +3

    they seem to take care very effectively to show the black guy in the same frame as her telling a lot of truth probably unpleasant to him...and seeing his nervosity, she totally makes her point valid...he is piss off because nobody challenge him anymore in this media landscape...and the filmmaker take a stand

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому +1

    The Germans don’t know their history either

  • @alloneword154
    @alloneword154 11 місяців тому

    Identity is ego based.

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому +1

    Define “Race?” Please. Where are the Humans Racing to ???

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому

    The Rise it was designed

  • @JenniferHashmi
    @JenniferHashmi 10 місяців тому

    Has it done any good?

  • @SirAntoniousBlock
    @SirAntoniousBlock 2 роки тому +2

    Identity politics has damaged the Left greatly, Marx said _'Workers of the world unite!'_ Not divide according the race gender and religion.
    It is a divisive distraction to the only important subject, economic equality because economic equality is effect is racial equality gender equality and religious equality.

    • @heyhorinshi
      @heyhorinshi 2 роки тому

      Marx? Equally poor you mean?

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock 2 роки тому

      @@heyhorinshi How do know I'm talking about Karl and not Groucho?

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому +1

    Learned enslavement

  • @sohambanerjee99
    @sohambanerjee99 Рік тому

    Yes. Identity politics across the world has done both good and bad. It has brought about great movements like the civil rights movement, feminist movements and the social justice movements against caste discrimination in India. But it also has brought about the rise of extreme right-wing politics, polarisation and communal hatred.

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому

    The history of Woman’s Movement is not accurately told!

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому

    A lot of assumptions

  • @jacekmiksza505
    @jacekmiksza505 2 роки тому +2

    The victim identity is a game played by an infantile mind that has never grown up enough to take responsibility for its own life direction.

  • @sophie-963
    @sophie-963 Рік тому

    Lionel Shriver speaks progress and diminishes fallacies, but is still male

  • @moussaouiahmed
    @moussaouiahmed 2 роки тому

    ...........................................AM

  • @HaploStrong
    @HaploStrong Рік тому

    Racist minds are formed with identity being the first & foremost important thing to being a racist. I come from a mixed family, I have had racism in my life all my life. It has come from both ends of the racial world in America 🇺🇸 Trust me we have become more racist than in the 1920’s in 2023.

  • @lobonoxxxx
    @lobonoxxxx 2 роки тому +3

    Interesting, but I expect a more scholarly treatment

  • @wilfredsterling2124
    @wilfredsterling2124 2 роки тому +4

    What Shriver has completely ignored is the intersectionality of race, sexuality and other identities with class (social economic position) and the power that comes with social position or privilege. This power is hugely hierarchical and intersects with other markers of identity, which coincide to keep specific groups of people predominately out of positions of political, economic, academic and social positions of power.
    While her individualistic focus cuts off the importance of history augmenting intergenerational responsibilities invalid. She frames this as white privileged males being made to feel guilty for past crimes, such as colonial murder/genocide and decimation of cultures. However, this isn't about guilt, it is about having an honest reckoning with history, rather than saying because huge technological advancements were made through colonialism and colonial wars there should be no apology and acceptance of atrocities. Her position does not focus or cover the institutions and systems that caused these crimes against humanity, and how these institutions and systems function today to maintain power imbalances.

    • @jcr-studios
      @jcr-studios Рік тому +1

      Yes 💯

    • @michaelc9287
      @michaelc9287 Рік тому

      Intersectionality is faith-based dogma that epitomizes the oppression Olympics of identity politics. The facts that "marginalized" groups are reduced to whining about "microaggressions," that various "marginalized" groups have MORE power and privilege in many contexts, etc. is proof enough that the high priestesses of identity politics are the sick, resentful doctors offering orgies of feeling to the sick masses.

    • @64kimmyjo
      @64kimmyjo Рік тому

      You didn’t listen all all. You must be a college professor

  • @youdoyou888
    @youdoyou888 2 роки тому +2

    I understand her feelings, but that’s all this speech is, and it leaves a terrible aftertaste. She frames the whole problematic badly; she does not even believe the idea that a group can be marginalized (note scare quotes at 1:47). To the point about fear of saying the wrong thing: that’s easy: educate yourself. Narcissist, willfully myopic (complete opposite of what a novelist should be). If she’s not a bigot, she’s stupefyingly undereducated and uninformed. Either way, it’s not intelligence, but as she suggested, insidiousness. Yes. Exactly.
    To ignore the fact that identity politics emerged as an intellectual response to injustice is simply wrong.

    • @marlenebouvet2403
      @marlenebouvet2403 Рік тому +1

      Thank you. Sounds like social sciences don't exist for this lady, and there's no material inequalities behind it. It's not mainly an identity question, or a mere way to find a purpose - it's a way of living. It's a way of casting light on a collective experience that was not, after all, entirely individual. That's what she tackled herself when she evoked the relatively shared ambivalence towards motherhood. To a certain level, that was universal... But particularly relevant to women and mothers, as a collective experience. Of course, everybody strives to be an individual and to access dignity. But we don't meet the same interferences as groups. Maybe an author who met success too early can't really swallow that she was perhaps, particularly lucky to be granted enough advantages and support (by class, colour, education) to be much more confident in her own talent than many other women.

    • @michaelc9287
      @michaelc9287 Рік тому

      What you call injustice I call ressentiment. I can think of little more narcissistic than the demand that others treat a person's delusions as something that must be affirmed as "real" (whatever "real" is to the pomos and standpoint epistemologists).

    • @youdoyou888
      @youdoyou888 Рік тому

      @@michaelc9287 Hopeless.

    • @64kimmyjo
      @64kimmyjo Рік тому

      @@marlenebouvet2403not a science at all more like a scam.

  • @mxrkxo
    @mxrkxo 2 роки тому

    Wow, haw irrelevant.

  • @strech5412
    @strech5412 2 роки тому +2

    I got 3 mins into it before I had to bail - anyone had the strength to watch further?

    • @malcolmdean2303
      @malcolmdean2303 2 роки тому +9

      Yeah, I listened to the whole thing. I'm not threatened. Apparently you are.

    • @sid6856
      @sid6856 2 роки тому

      @@malcolmdean2303 I bailed at 2 min. It just means I'm not willing to stand for total illogical BS, I guess u are, you judgemental 🍆 I bet her husband & you share the same qualities. 😂

    • @just_another32
      @just_another32 2 роки тому +1

      why's that?

    • @sid6856
      @sid6856 2 роки тому +1

      @@just_another32 Don't instigate, move on.

    • @pouetpouetdaddy5
      @pouetpouetdaddy5 2 роки тому +2

      victimhood at his best, never able to listen others confronting opinions, they shouldn't exist for you...keep hearing your echo chamber

  • @strech5412
    @strech5412 2 роки тому +1

    A textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Shriver’s massive privilege prompts her to say “there is no privilege but victimhood”…

    • @pouetpouetdaddy5
      @pouetpouetdaddy5 2 роки тому +8

      privileges she works for...what you've done beside ranting on social media? nothing...but use your victimhood who gives you the impression of being a better human being...and if you had listen more than 3 minutes ( and you take the right to comment without listening...such a woke trope) you would see that she recognize her privilege at the end

    • @Jonty-1944
      @Jonty-1944 2 роки тому +5

      Dunning-Kruger Effect, a tenuous psycho babble rebuttal of people you disagree with.

    • @antonysmyth2464
      @antonysmyth2464 2 роки тому

      Naa, too clever. Hear the message, stop hating the messenger.

    • @SirHargreeves
      @SirHargreeves 2 роки тому +1

      No one cares about your attempts to sneak communism back into the mainstream. Keep your Hegelian dialectics to yourself.

    • @jcr-studios
      @jcr-studios Рік тому

      She certainly does. Huge privilege and particularly for someone who confesses to have not lived in the US for most of her life, she has not seen the plight of many or the environment with which she professes to be an expert on.

  • @michaelwoodsmccausland5633
    @michaelwoodsmccausland5633 2 роки тому

    The Germans don’t know their history either