1:52 Most dryer outlets are 30 amps, not 50 amps, so charging speeds will be reduced accordingly. 3:31 Error: never use wall anchors when screwing into studs. Also, do not pre-drill with that massive 1/4" bit. Put aside those screws and anchors and get 3 inch wood screws. Could pre-drill pilot hole with a 1/8 or 7/64 bit, if you want. No anchors, go straight into the stud.
Electrical guy here. Am I going to sell you on hiring someone to install,. "NO!". About 90 % of electrical work can be done by almost at idiot. That. 10% may save your life, but it is all public knowledge. You.can find it if you look. Let's start with wire size. The wires to your house (from the utility) are sized for your house as built. You are adding my a load about as big as a second stove to your house. Can your utility to house wire handle that power? The building code (NEC) has a section 625 that covers car chargers specifically and refers you back to chapters 1,2,&3 for other rules. In this section, your car charging receptacles require gfci protection. Yes, iit also requires gfci protection in the charge unit. It has circuit current requirement of the charger plus 1/4 more current or q reduction of the charge rate and more. Other chapters cove requirements like wire type and the need for conduit. Your local building inspectors can add to or throw out NEC requirements so please check with them. Not all electrical faults result in an instant fire. Some faults take a little longer to show up. Lawyers have the NEC (building codes) on their shelves to help restore home owners after a fault. They might sue the insurance guys to pay after an install bursts into flames. They might also sue the installer to restore the home and replace that $80,000 car that burned because the garage burned down. If you are the installer, can you sue yourself to rebuild your house and replace your car? So,, can you install a car charger, Yes. Can you find all the requirements, yes! Should you call a local electricians, I say, "Yes!" You can pay him to tell you how to do it. He can tell you the best practices and help you avoid or solve problem as they arise. Be safe out there.
@mauricejchiasson ND if it is done correctly, who needs insurance? I am just wondering why you would demand I leave UA-cam. Are you short? Is your truck really large? Small hands? Mental disorder? Just because you don't agree with what I said, are you mad I said it first?
2:04 Doesn't the disclaimer negate the purpose of this video? Most people don't have a 240V outlet in their garage and the clothes dryer is usually kept inside the house, so you need to do a long run if you needed to charge the car in garage (or outside), if the run is even possible. Also, drywall anchors aren't needed when you are drilling into a stud for the main EVSE
I think the situation will differ based on how your home is built. The disclaimer is just for liability reasons, I did it myself assuming all risks and someone attempting this has to assume all risks and liability as well.
I am an electrical guy. A friend told me that The Tesla Rep at his house old him he had to get a new electrical service to have a car charger. This was based on the electrical loads/connection at his hose. Please check your your building guys (building permit office/local electricians) for a safe build.
In 2022 when I bought my EV from GM, they paid (~$700+) to have a 240V outlet installed in my garage, and I used the L2 charge cable that came with the car to charge it. It did about 25+ MPH of range. BUT, I have moved and no longer have a 240V outlet in my garage. I would have to pay an electrician to have a 240V outlet installed before even purchasing that other unit you showed. I would just use the cable that GM provided with the car. Right now I just use the 120V standard outlet and let it charge overnight as I seldom take really long trips and don't drive that many miles each week. I know people that installed that 240V outlet in their garage, but I'm not good at doing that. My son has done that at both homes that he has lived in since 2016.
99% of the time you wont need it but there is that 1% where you are in a hurry and need more charge fast. You end up leaving with less charge than you want and have to spend time at chargers when going on a trip. This may happen maybe 0-5 times a year depending on your luck. Have to weight how much that is worth to you to make it worth while.
At my mom’s house we use the 30A dryer outlet to charge 4x faster than a 110 outlet. But we replaced the receptacle with a Hubbell one because it is heavy duty. EV charging is a much heavier load than an electric dryer which only runs for an hour. Frankly, i also installed a new smoke detector. Be safe out there.
@BeatTheBush She has a gas dryer, so the 240v outlet was free. Sharing an outlet could work, but an arrangement involving daily plugging and unplugging could lead to problems. The receptacle prongs will spread, leading to arcing/overheat. Same goes for just unplugging your charger to carry with you every day. My opinion - it’s worth taking extra care to keep your family safe.
@TexasElectrician77 the Tesla UMC chargers run at 80% of the rated amps - so 23A on a 30A connector. That’s proper for a continuous load and the 10AWG solid copper wire (normal for a 30A receptacle) handles that just fine. I believe all EVSEs do the same, but on many you can intentionally de-rate them either through dip switch settings or an app. Tesla’s app lets you do that as well. I take it you don’t have an EV yet?
I am an electrical guy. A friend told me that The Tesla Rep at his house old him he had to get a new electrical service to have a car charger. This was based on the electrical loads/connection at his hose. Please check your your building guys (building permit office/local electricians) for a safe build.
I got my first EV and the problem is my breaker is in the basement my garage is not connected to my house so hypothetically would I be able to install a charger in the basement and extend that wire all the way to the garage to charge my car?
Also you need to make sure the breaker for the plug supports that current. And increasing the amperage for that circuit isn't as simple as switching out the breaker because the wire gauge has to be rated for that amperage. Also you need to know if your power service can support another 40A of current draw.
I have a 4 kilowatt battery bike, it takes me 5 hours to fully charge from a normal charger, can you tell me what equipment should I install so that my bike charges in just 1 hour?
Did the install raise your homeowners insurance premiums or did you insurance company require documents of verification the station was installed properly according to regulations?
I am an electrical guy. A friend told me that The Tesla Rep at his house old him he had to get a new electrical service to have a car charger. This was based on the electrical loads/connection at his hose. Please check your your building guys (building permit office/local electricians) for a safe build.
I had to go back to see that ... true. Mr. B by inserting the drywall screw; the support has weaken as the anchor is expanded with the screw as a holding point where the real support is by using wooden screws to screw into the studs. It is the "bite" of the screws that is going to support the heavier weight.
You use the term high voltage quite a bit, but as far as I know no residential houses have any high voltage . But there certainly is enough voltage and amperage to kill people so be careful
high voltage as it applies to residential areas are the top lines on the pole, I think they're around 25,000 volts and the next one down is the low voltage lines for the homes, they're 120 or 2:40 depending how you look at it, and low voltage for instance in your garden is around 12 volts, so 1:20 or 2:40 is not considered high voltage
Not a good idea to plug a stage 2 charger at 40 amps from an existing 240 wall outlet like for a cloths dryer or other home use unless you want to risk burning your house down. Must have the proper size circuit breaker, GFCI protection and an industrial rated female receptacle on the wall. Not the cheap ones from the big box stores. Must be rated for full load at a continuous basis not intermittent load like a cloths dryer of elect range.
I used to have to pump my wife's gas. It took 3 months, but I've finally trained her to plug her car in when she comes home at least 50% of the time, which is more than enough for her to get around. Range on even the cheapest Tesla is 260 miles. Most people only need to charge overnight every few days.
Beat the Bush, as an electrician I must tell you that you did not do a safe initial voltage verification; you didn't wear an arc shield, rubber gloves, or stand on rubber matting. Not to mention the one hand rule
@@patrickr2686 Ford can ask people to spend more money than they need. That's not how EVs work though, the EVSE protocol is standardized and every EV will accept charges from any EVSE that reports how much current the vehicle is allowed to draw. I've had one for almost a decade now.
That's funny that EV chargers are named by their rate they charge per hour. This charges at 30 miles per hour. 🤣 6 miles per hour is so bad. Like you can speed walk about that speed. My gas charger charges at a rate of 100 miles per minute.
EV chargers still cant pour energy into a car all that fast unless you swap the battery. So you have to use it differently like charge it overnight. But long trips makes you wait longer. My experience shows a 4 hr trip takes 5 hours.
@@BeatTheBush Good for short distances but for trips most people wouldn't want to wait several hours for their vehicles to charge everyday. Why arn't there hybrid vehicles anymore? Wouldn't that be the best of both worlds having fuel when you need it and being able to use charge miles when you can?
But with an EV, you avoid oil changes. No oil filter, no spark plugs, no alternator, no O2 sensor, no air mass sensor, no intake filter, no breathing in fumes once in a while when filling up or just walking around your petrol car.
5:15 "It's not smoking" 🤣 ... sounds like a seasoned engineer. Great informative video btw.
Turning on a 50A breaker... what could go wrong?
1:52 Most dryer outlets are 30 amps, not 50 amps, so charging speeds will be reduced accordingly.
3:31 Error: never use wall anchors when screwing into studs. Also, do not pre-drill with that massive 1/4" bit. Put aside those screws and anchors and get 3 inch wood screws. Could pre-drill pilot hole with a 1/8 or 7/64 bit, if you want. No anchors, go straight into the stud.
Keep up the uploading frequency please thank you
I.... will.... try.... =D
Electrical guy here. Am I going to sell you on hiring someone to install,. "NO!". About 90 % of electrical work can be done by almost at idiot. That. 10% may save your life, but it is all public knowledge. You.can find it if you look.
Let's start with wire size. The wires to your house (from the utility) are sized for your house as built. You are adding my a load about as big as a second stove to your house. Can your utility to house wire handle that power?
The building code (NEC) has a section 625 that covers car chargers specifically and refers you back to chapters 1,2,&3 for other rules. In this section, your car charging receptacles require gfci protection. Yes, iit also requires gfci protection in the charge unit. It has circuit current requirement of the charger plus 1/4 more current or q reduction of the charge rate and more. Other chapters cove requirements like wire type and the need for conduit.
Your local building inspectors can add to or throw out NEC requirements so please check with them.
Not all electrical faults result in an instant fire. Some faults take a little longer to show up. Lawyers have the NEC (building codes) on their shelves to help restore home owners after a fault. They might sue the insurance guys to pay after an install bursts into flames. They might also sue the installer to restore the home and replace that $80,000 car that burned because the garage burned down. If you are the installer, can you sue yourself to rebuild your house and replace your car?
So,, can you install a car charger, Yes. Can you find all the requirements, yes! Should you call a local electricians, I say, "Yes!" You can pay him to tell you how to do it. He can tell you the best practices and help you avoid or solve problem as they arise.
Be safe out there.
"you can pay him to tell you how to do it ..."; he's NOT going to tell you how to do it... he's not anwering your call anymore...
@mauricejchiasson ND if it is done correctly, who needs insurance? I am just wondering why you would demand I leave UA-cam. Are you short? Is your truck really large? Small hands? Mental disorder? Just because you don't agree with what I said, are you mad I said it first?
2:04 Doesn't the disclaimer negate the purpose of this video? Most people don't have a 240V outlet in their garage and the clothes dryer is usually kept inside the house, so you need to do a long run if you needed to charge the car in garage (or outside), if the run is even possible.
Also, drywall anchors aren't needed when you are drilling into a stud for the main EVSE
I think the situation will differ based on how your home is built. The disclaimer is just for liability reasons, I did it myself assuming all risks and someone attempting this has to assume all risks and liability as well.
Why do you use the anchor on the stud?????? Why not just screw onto it? That's the whole point of mounting it on the stud.
I use the mobile charger for my ‘23 Tesla 3. Charges it just fine. No need to spend more. Just charge while sleeping.
Are you using the standard plug or the 240V adapter?
@@BeatTheBush standard.
I don't have an Ev, been wondering about some of the specifics of charging. Thanks for the info!
Glad to help!
I am an electrical guy. A friend told me that The Tesla Rep at his house old him he had to get a new electrical service to have a car charger. This was based on the electrical loads/connection at his hose.
Please check your your building guys (building permit office/local electricians) for a safe build.
In 2022 when I bought my EV from GM, they paid (~$700+) to have a 240V outlet installed in my garage, and I used the L2 charge cable that came with the car to charge it. It did about 25+ MPH of range. BUT, I have moved and no longer have a 240V outlet in my garage. I would have to pay an electrician to have a 240V outlet installed before even purchasing that other unit you showed. I would just use the cable that GM provided with the car. Right now I just use the 120V standard outlet and let it charge overnight as I seldom take really long trips and don't drive that many miles each week. I know people that installed that 240V outlet in their garage, but I'm not good at doing that. My son has done that at both homes that he has lived in since 2016.
99% of the time you wont need it but there is that 1% where you are in a hurry and need more charge fast. You end up leaving with less charge than you want and have to spend time at chargers when going on a trip. This may happen maybe 0-5 times a year depending on your luck. Have to weight how much that is worth to you to make it worth while.
At my mom’s house we use the 30A dryer outlet to charge 4x faster than a 110 outlet. But we replaced the receptacle with a Hubbell one because it is heavy duty. EV charging is a much heavier load than an electric dryer which only runs for an hour. Frankly, i also installed a new smoke detector. Be safe out there.
Did you use a dryer/EV outlet switch? Dryer takes priority kinda deal?
@BeatTheBush She has a gas dryer, so the 240v outlet was free. Sharing an outlet could work, but an arrangement involving daily plugging and unplugging could lead to problems. The receptacle prongs will spread, leading to arcing/overheat. Same goes for just unplugging your charger to carry with you every day. My opinion - it’s worth taking extra care to keep your family safe.
You replaced the plug-great! How about the wire that is severely undersized for the load you have?
@TexasElectrician77 the Tesla UMC chargers run at 80% of the rated amps - so 23A on a 30A connector. That’s proper for a continuous load and the 10AWG solid copper wire (normal for a 30A receptacle) handles that just fine. I believe all EVSEs do the same, but on many you can intentionally de-rate them either through dip switch settings or an app. Tesla’s app lets you do that as well. I take it you don’t have an EV yet?
Wow Don't have an EV, but BTB saves another $$$$ for us. Just incredible.
you know what? you're the man! thanks for the video!
Thanks for the info. This is my #1 concern for buying an EV
Glad it was helpful!
I am an electrical guy. A friend told me that The Tesla Rep at his house old him he had to get a new electrical service to have a car charger. This was based on the electrical loads/connection at his hose.
Please check your your building guys (building permit office/local electricians) for a safe build.
I got my first EV and the problem is my breaker is in the basement my garage is not connected to my house so hypothetically would I be able to install a charger in the basement and extend that wire all the way to the garage to charge my car?
Also you need to make sure the breaker for the plug supports that current. And increasing the amperage for that circuit isn't as simple as switching out the breaker because the wire gauge has to be rated for that amperage. Also you need to know if your power service can support another 40A of current draw.
How do you check that?
@@ShadowJP3012 Basically this is why most people should get an electrician
I have a 4 kilowatt battery bike, it takes me 5 hours to fully charge from a normal charger, can you tell me what equipment should I install so that my bike charges in just 1 hour?
What if you accidentally damage the 8ft charge cable.
You probably should get the cable or the charger replaced.
Free charging at BeatTheBushes' house guys!
Lol. It wouldn't be too bad. You can only charge if you're subscribed. =D
Did the install raise your homeowners insurance premiums or did you insurance company require documents of verification the station was installed properly according to regulations?
Not sure, let me check on that.
Looks shockingly easy
Drill some holes BAM, done.
I am an electrical guy. A friend told me that The Tesla Rep at his house old him he had to get a new electrical service to have a car charger. This was based on the electrical loads/connection at his hose.
Please check your your building guys (building permit office/local electricians) for a safe build.
In MOST parts of the country, we do not have dryer (240V) outlets in the garage, unfortunately.
Might just be for newer homes that have this.
I have to ask, and I hope you reply to this..... why the hell are you using drywall anchors when you are drilling into a stud?
Good point. I wanted to grab the drywall as well but it probably is better to just use a longer screw.
I had to go back to see that ... true. Mr. B by inserting the drywall screw; the support has weaken as the anchor is expanded with the screw as a holding point where the real support is by using wooden screws to screw into the studs. It is the "bite" of the screws that is going to support the heavier weight.
Is it legal to use this to make money? @ 6:35
Why would you use plastic anchors into wood? You should be able to put your screws right into the wood.
If you happen to have that EV charging socket already installed in your house... you can save money? Is this video for real? 😂😂
A plug that is compatible with an EV charger could have came from a dryer socket, a welder, or other high energy devices.
Which generator is the most ev friendly?
Gas or electric?
@@BeatTheBush Gas and Solar.
If it's constantly drawing 40 amps, go outside and see how fast your meter is running.
No need. 240V x 40A = 9.6kWh, its fast but I've made it do like 30kWh before, lol.
I don't have that outlet.
Thank you for the video, im going to use the link to purchase this item.
Tired of dealing with occupied Volta chargers, I see
They're pretty competitive and not all that fast.
You use the term high voltage quite a bit, but as far as I know no residential houses have any high voltage . But there certainly is enough voltage and amperage to kill people so be careful
I suppose the term ‘high’ is relative.
high voltage as it applies to residential areas are the top lines on the pole, I think they're around 25,000 volts and the next one down is the low voltage lines for the homes, they're 120 or 2:40 depending how you look at it, and low voltage for instance in your garden is around 12 volts, so 1:20 or 2:40 is not considered high voltage
Guess i could get an extension cable and run it to my car
If you use an extension cord,you can only use it for level 1 charging (120VAC), and only if you get a 12 gauge heavy duty extension cord.
Not a good idea to plug a stage 2 charger at 40 amps from an existing 240 wall outlet like for a cloths dryer or other home use unless you want to risk burning your house down. Must have the proper size circuit breaker, GFCI protection and an industrial rated female receptacle on the wall. Not the cheap ones from the big box stores. Must be rated for full load at a continuous basis not intermittent load like a cloths dryer of elect range.
Knowing my wife who even hates pumping gas.....I would have to wait when EV cars supports wireless charging....
I suppose it can 'wireless' charge. Maybe some plate moves up under the car.
I used to have to pump my wife's gas. It took 3 months, but I've finally trained her to plug her car in when she comes home at least 50% of the time, which is more than enough for her to get around. Range on even the cheapest Tesla is 260 miles. Most people only need to charge overnight every few days.
Beat the Bush, as an electrician I must tell you that you did not do a safe initial voltage verification; you didn't wear an arc shield, rubber gloves, or stand on rubber matting. Not to mention the one hand rule
Fair enough. I was relying on the insulation on my probes but that seems like it wont pass your test. =(
@@BeatTheBush I am just beating your bush or pulling your leg or whatever the saying is
I don't have a 6-50 plug in my house, did that just make this video irrelevant?
This video makes me NOT want to ever want to bother getting an EV lol
You’re weird in all the wrong ways. Doing things yourself isn’t for everyone
You are gonna start a fire. That outlet is not designed for EV charging. You are gonna melt that outlet.
The Ford lighting requires people to have a 100 amp breaker installed
I didn't know! Neat. At some point, it wonder if it'll exceed the incoming wire capacity.
No it doesn't. Use an EVSE matching the current you have available. A 20AMP at 240V is enough for most people
@@thedopplereffect00 watch chillin with chets video on the lighting he says in the video ford asks people to install a 100 amp breaker for charging
@@patrickr2686 Ford can ask people to spend more money than they need. That's not how EVs work though, the EVSE protocol is standardized and every EV will accept charges from any EVSE that reports how much current the vehicle is allowed to draw. I've had one for almost a decade now.
That's funny that EV chargers are named by their rate they charge per hour. This charges at 30 miles per hour. 🤣 6 miles per hour is so bad. Like you can speed walk about that speed.
My gas charger charges at a rate of 100 miles per minute.
EV chargers still cant pour energy into a car all that fast unless you swap the battery. So you have to use it differently like charge it overnight. But long trips makes you wait longer. My experience shows a 4 hr trip takes 5 hours.
@@BeatTheBush Good for short distances but for trips most people wouldn't want to wait several hours for their vehicles to charge everyday. Why arn't there hybrid vehicles anymore? Wouldn't that be the best of both worlds having fuel when you need it and being able to use charge miles when you can?
Walking at 6 miles an hour! I used to be able to do that or better running. Not anymore.
Good God! Those chargers are extremely overpriced. Not happening.
Remember the faster you charge the battery it degrades faster.
A non-issue with 50A home charging (12kW). You have to worry more about supercharging at 250kW
You can avoid this hassle and expense easily.
Buy a petrol car.
But with an EV, you avoid oil changes. No oil filter, no spark plugs, no alternator, no O2 sensor, no air mass sensor, no intake filter, no breathing in fumes once in a while when filling up or just walking around your petrol car.
When that Taiwanese guy your company pays to install Node packages decides to buy a drill, this happens.