Wait, do people actually idolize the Harley/Joker relationship? Like, they actually want that to happen to them? That's more disturbing then the relationship itself.
To be fair people who think of their relationship as goals only base off their opinion from the movie. Not everyone has read the comic books or watched the cartoon and their relationship in the movie does have its good moments... if you ignore the fact that he tortured her into insanity with electrical shocks :p
Katmiobeth x That really doesn't make it any better. Like you said, in the movie he tortured her into insanity. And he still tried to kill her. Make no mistake, that scene where he drops her into the vat of chemicals? He totally was going to leave her to die. I don't care if he saved her because he actually loves her. It's still messed up that anyone wants that kind of relationship.
JMDarkly1 But It is worse in The comic when harley was close To Kill batman She called joker he arrived and get angry with her because for him is joker the only one Who must caught and kill batman joker throwed harley from a palace window that s not love if harley dies don t interest To joker
The Joker mistreat Harley every time she behaves like a dog begging for love which is almost always , but every time she makes a stand and fights him back, that's the only time he values her.
Penny Thompkins If he wasn't abusive he wouldn't be the Joker. Other than a psychotic killer who is obsessed with trying to kill Batman, he is abusive and manipulative to those he wants to do his bidding. "Oh, I'm not gonna kill ya'. I'm just gonna hurt ya' really..really..bad." Is what he says before proceeding to literally put Harley through shock "therapy". I don't know about you but if pushing your "loved one" over the edge of insanity then..i don't know how to help you.
S T A R L I G H T R O M E nope, sorry even serial killers have ❤👩, not all of them but quite a few. in the movie he isn't like the cartoons, he does seem selfish but he also saves her. either way they aren't my goals, jut8wanted to make a point that u can be a killer and have a gf.
curly sue She's his plaything, not his girlfriend. I'm pretty sure he still drove into the ocean even though she told him she couldn't swim. Did he save her from being taken to jail and being abused/treated wrongly for who knows how long? No, He came to pick her up when they were on the roof and he could've "rescued" her literally anytime afterwards since he was still alive, but did he? No. Not until she was back in jail at the end of the movie. And if a serial killer had a heart why would they kill? The Joker has no humanity, he has no remorse for others only himself and the Batman. Harley was the Jokers escape from Arkham Asylum and that was it, then he turned her into his disposable minion that comes running back to him with a few sweet words. She wasn't apart of his plan, and he said that.
@@janesmith4167 literally NO one said that just because your a serial killer you can't have a girlfriend. There were serial killers that were married and had kids. They have life's outside of their crimes. This relationship is toxic and abusive.
I always liked Harley Quinn but the Joker always pissed me off how he'd just kick her ass when she was helpin him out all the time. Can't stand the Joker now.
+Kittykat205 No, I totally know she does it back. As I have mentioned in other comments on the video, I know she beats him up in the comic and even rips off his lower lip with her own teeth.
Kittykat205 Yea that's true. But it seems like she does it to him because he does it to her....but it's different in every seperate series their in and the comics so yea lol
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle I'm just sick of people posting that kind of stuff. Especially if they haven't read any comics or watch them on the Animated cartoons!
+Bob Sherlock Ugh. Same here. I mean, I love Harley and The Joker, I Cosplay Harley, I even have a cat named after her, but... I would N E V E R want a relationship like that!
+Bob Sherlock Apparently so. But, the second their better half slams their heads against a wall, or throws them across the room, it's a law suit and jail.
Just another relationship between an abuser and a victim who can, and really should, leave, but won't because FEELZ. All too many of us have seen something like this; in fact all too many of us have LIVED something like this. As for Joker and Harley themselves, they're both batshit insane, how can they possibly have any kind of "normal" relationship???
Well, she has left before. Just- Keeps going back to him. And she wasn't always insane before she met the Joker. He made her feel wanted and offered to be one of her 'friends', since she didn't have many, and she fell in love.
Exactly how abusers draw in their victims. They don't start off smacking their "love" around and calling them names, they're often quite sweet at first. But later on, the honeymoon ends with pain.
Yeaaah... I kinda seen that happen with my own parents-. Not going to get too depressing or shit, though. Not on this channel. XD But, yeah. That tends to happen in a lot of relationships sadly. And then the abuser will use manipulation. Make the other feel like they will not get any better than them, and that they'd be all alone.
@@shrekisthebestfranchiseand5032 i never realized it was abusive either lmao kids don't know about these things everyone was stupid as a kid i used to ship them so much when i was young i thought they were cute i wasnt being stupid i just thought that life was all unicorns and rainbows
THANK YOU!!! ever since Suicide Squad came out all I ever hear out of mouths of the teenage girls around me is "I want a love like Harley and Joker!❤" and I over here like "No you REALLY dont!!"
@terryntruth1824 it all comes from her childhood and not being loved or told she was liked even it's why she will take even his attention which isn't caring or kind at all its better to her than being ignored like she was used to
If he seems softer in Suicide Squad it's only because he's not the focus, she is. So it's more from her point of of view. Also helps people new to the character better understand why she puts up with him. If there's a sequel, I'd expect more abuse.
I know this is old but I doubt they would show more abuse. Joker now is ruined like they did with twilight and vampires. Instead of keeping Joker his natural psychopathic style and dirty grimy look, they gave him a hot guy look. So he’s gonna be a baby face
The problem isn't just that Joker is shat bit nor that Harley is unstable. Harley was manipulated and abused all of her life, on many levels, as well as taught by her "peers" that you are either the manipulator or the manipulated. It doesn't excuse what she or he did or will do, rather it is the simple fact that when you never are show how a healthy relationship works you never want one.
Joker does love Harley in a sick twisted way, in practically all his versions. It is stated by the creators, but the Joker, as he is crazy, cannot express those emotions like a normal, sane person, would. So he tries to supress those emotions and sometimes even try to kill Harley. Harley too isn't always the victim of abuse though. She fights back several times, like when she almost shot him in the video. Also, she enjoys the abuse, as one time that the joker was sane, he actually was good with her, giving her presents and everything, only for her to slap him and telling him that he was a wimp. So basically they are both crazy and form an unusual couple. While the Suicide Squad portrayed them both far more gentle towards each other (and I liked that) the truth for all versions of them is that they really cannot be apart from each other from long, as they BOTH need each other.
I dont think she likes the abuse. She likes his personality in general. Joker is unpredictable, witty, charming, and willing to take what he wants. He also in the beginning would listen to harley quinns problems. She doesnt want a wuss, no girl does. Also what episode did he go sane and she dislikes him?
I use to have a relationship similar to theirs, but I didn’t do it on purpose. I did everything to make him happy and at first he loved me then after two years a different side of him showed and our relationship began to spiral into this on and off kind of thing. When he was mad (which was often) he would threaten me, one time he said he would break every bone in my body. He even cheated on me often and insulted me multiple times. But I was stupid and naive like Harley, everytime he apologized, I went back to him, never defending myself and never blaming him. He said many times he wanted to marry me and have kids with me, and I believed all of it. Finally after he left me on our 5th year anniversary I stood up for myself and told him I didn’t need him and that I can make it on my own without him. It was so hard but I’m so glad to be out of such a horrible relationship and a horrible experience. This is not what love should look like and poor Harley must have been put through hell, I know I was.
Now I have two sides to this: First being what someone else said here earlier, Joker is so insane, he can't execute his emotions very well, and he tries to hide his emotions. Which ends in abuse. Plus Harley does hit back sometimes. But I also do agree that this is a toxic relationship no matter what, and I am grateful that you made this because so many girls fantasize about this, and they think a relationship like this is okay.
XXinsane.killjoyXX Thanks for agreeing with me! It's not to say that I don't love Harley and the Joker, but no one should ever want a relationship like they have. Like you said, The Joker is insane, and Harley is just as bad. Thanks for your comment.~
Harley Quinn you obviously have a problem if you think that this is okay. He isn’t even being a dick because majority of people did think it was okay because of that movie. I hope you open your eyes and realize you don’t want this at all. Do you really want someone ripping your ears off with their teeth? Or having them tie you to a rocket and blowing up? If so...get help please
THIS IS GOING TO BE LONG, SO SORRY!: Harley tortured and killed people just for fun, she is as bad as the Joker, wake up and stop thinking she's an angel that needs protection. I understand that just because she's a villain that it doesn't justify the fact that she's in an abusive relationship; however, it's funny how people think that the Joker in the animated series was the only one doing the abuse. In episode "Joker's Millions" in the end Harley beats the hell out of Joker, she is not a victim. They are both very abusive, and toxic for each other. They are both so twisted and sick. And no, Harley is not under Joker's influence when she does very bad things, she always had villainous characteristics before she even met the Joker. In her original origin, she wanted to work at Arkham Asylum not because she wanted to help her patients but because she was attracted to Gotham’s criminal underworld and described it as “glamorous”, and spent months trying to set up therapy sessions with Joker with the full intention of exploiting her patient by using his “secrets” as material for a tell-all book. Her idea of a “game night” is gleefully watching Joker shoot security guards as she cheers him on enthusiastically. She's a woman who may care for a small circle of friends but otherwise considers harming innocent people to be “just a joke”...she is a full blown sociopath. Some more info about the animated series, if interested: It seems like the Joker doesn't care for her in the animated series but that doesn't mean he never cared about her in the animated series. Based on my analysis of BTAS, I think he does care for her. When she "treated" him in Arkham Asylum, he made up stories so that he could gain her sympathy, because he knew that once he had her wrapped around his finger, she would give him what he wanted: escape. He got that and then never looked back. She came after him, and after that it’s been a string of emotional, physical, and psychological abuse. However, I also think he “low key cares about her”. As much as the Joker can care about someone, anyway. It’s known that the Joker finds the lives of almost everyone extremely expendable. There are a few people he doesn’t kill right away because he wants to play with them first and draw out their suffering, but those are the people that give him an occupation. When it comes to people that work for him, he usually doesn’t keep anyone around for too long. Henchmen are a dime a dozen, and he never seems to like the criminals he teams up with. What I find fascinating is Harley being an exception to this. He doesn’t mind having her around compared to everyone else, and he’s kind of a certified loner. He doesn’t have the temper to deal with having an equal. He certainly doesn’t treat Harley like one, either, but she’s still an important assistant in many of his plans. Despite finding her annoying and never really needing her, he lets her follow him and work for him. I think that’s a pretty big deal, given his usual attitude towards nuisances. She’s a constant in his world of chaos. The only other person that we can say that about is Batman. I think that, in his own twisted, selfish, exploitative way, he feels something for her. The closest thing the Joker can feel to love, a twinge of something that he really doesn’t show for anyone else, which I find most fascinating of all. And when she’s not with him? He’s kind of a mess in the animated series..to the point where he can’t find his own socks (Ep. Harley and Ivy), tries to find a fake Harley when she left him (Joker's Millions) and when he gets irritated at fake Harley he almost shoots her and says quote on quote,"Who'd ever think I'd miss the real one?" just shows he has some feelings towards Harley. It is a very twisted love story. Let's also not forget the comics, eh? I have been reading DC for a long time now, and what I can say about Joker and Harley's relationship based on the comics is this: I believe that the Joker in some way loves Harley in the comics as well! Yes, of course the relationship isn't functional like I stated before but what IS functional about these two characters in the animated series and in the comics? Co-creator of Harley Quinn and writer for the animated series, Paul Dini said himself "He loves her as much as he can. He loves her in his way." I don't think it's stupid to like/ship this dysfunctional couple, and honestly I love 'em together. I think the Joker is a far stronger and more fascinating character if he does deep down love Harley. Did it start out that way? No. But as Mark Hamill, THE Joker of Dc animation, once said "Expressing emotion in any way that's real and meaningful is alien to the Joker, but he's learning those parts of himself, however unconsciously, through Harley. On a physical level they're dynamite together. A lot of relationships are defined by that. Two people may be really horrible for each other, but physically they push each other's buttons so clearly they can't get enough of that person." Arleen Sorkin, original voice actress who voiced Harley, once said that "Everyone else sees the Joker laugh, only Harley has ever seen him cry. It's the only reason she stays with him." I'm a HUGE joker fan and I must say that I find the character to usually be written 2d. An irredeemable psychopath who was a child hood sociopath, asexual with an obsession with Batman who uses people like Harley for a means to an end. This is an important interpretation of the Joker which has been mastered through Serious House on Serious Earth, death of the family, Jack Nicholson's Joker, Ledger's Joker, etc. However, the problem is this interpretation of the Joker gets old and is very limiting and doesn't allow for as much depth. I think the best type of interpretation for the Joker is one that despite having mental illnesses, deep down he knows the difference between right and wrong and is very capable of love, but has alienated these feelings due to his tragic past. People say that's not a good take on the Joker, that he should have no concept of right or wrong and he's completely irredeemable. A great and important interpretation to explore but one that eventually becomes limited and repetitive. Some fans say making the Joker capable of love and understanding right and wrong makes him less evil, but I think it makes him even worse. He knows the difference and yet he's still doing it. It makes him even more irredeemable. I think the Joker should be capable of love and have a tragic backstory but he is no longer redeemable and that's what makes him in spirit a prime example of the tragic clown. He is no longer fixable. This is acknowledged in both The Killing Joke, where he is shown to have a very tragic backstory, and when he himself admits you can't fix him when Batman offers to help him, indicating he knows that he's a terrible person. And of course the Bermejo/Azzarello Joker graphic novel which states he's a disease with no cure. The fans always cite the Azzarello/Bermejo Joker graphic novel, & The Killing Joke as among the best interpretations of the character, and it is implied that he had a tragic back story or he is capable of human emotion; yet despite this, it seems some of the fans always want him to be someone who was a psychopath since day one. So back to Harley and the Joker; when Joker first meets Harley... of course he doesn't care about her. He couldn't care less. But Harley reawakens his human side much to his contempt and he hates it but can't help it. He resents the fact he does deep down know he's a horrible person and yet is capable of love and sympathy. He admits this in the Bermejo/Azzarello graphic novel when he tells Johnny Frost how he hates apologies and envied a serial killer who showed no remorse for his actions as deep down,, the Joker does to an extent. In No Man's Land he tries to kill Harley because she made him fall in love with her. In the Azzarello/Bermejo graphic novel, he is shown on his knees clutching Harley as he cries, making her very much the stable one of the relationship and in the graphic novel, and at the time in B-Man's career that it takes place in, Harley has very much become his equal or so it seems. The novel is written and drawn in a way that the scene he holds and cries to Harley is very much supposed to be genuine. It's also a cool coincidence that his wife Jeannie in the Killing Joke looks kind of like Harley. Maybe Harley reminds him of Jeannie, something that would really enrage him. Also if the Batman was to find out Joker loves Harley, it would give him a reason not to kill Joker. It would give B-Man the vain hope that if this man is capable of love, then there is hope for him and every other criminal out there, despite the Joker telling him otherwise. Ironically, the Joker truly having feelings for Harley makes him more evil (and Harley too, since she loves him back) as he (BOTH!) knows and understands the difference between right and wrong and just doesn't care, as opposed to a sociopath incapable of human emotion. The Joker being at his core human makes him a far more fascinating and terrifying villain as he was not born bad but made that way..to which he became unfixable, which means all it will take is one bad day to make any of us become just like him! So longer than short, as Joker's and Harley's relationship develops, it should start out with Joker using her as a means to an end to her becoming his kryptonite as the years pass by. I highly recommend anyone who hasn't read The Killing Joke and Brian Azzarello and Lee Bermejo's Joker graphic novel that they do. It's, in my opinion, the best take on the character. Not relationship goals though, like you stated. Thanks for letting me share! -Audrey
I already know all of this- XD This video was just mainly for the people who thought their relationship was amazing. Like, I have /so/ many girls on my social media wanting a relationship like Harley and the Joker's and I just- Well, I had to make one of these. I know she beats him up too, and rips off his lower lip with her own teeth in the comic, but for those people who aren't actual fans and think they are 'perfect relationship goals', I had to point out that it's not. Because the second a guy gives her that and lays a finger on her, it's a law suit.
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle Thanks again for letting me share! :) Yea, I totally understand your intentions on uploading this video, it's good that you wanna inform girls who do think this is a perfect relationship..I just wanted inform to those people that Harley is also evil as he is, also how their feelings are mutual yet they are twisted and toxic for each other yet somehow it works out for people like them. It's completely dysfunctional. xx
audreyevin No problem! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.~ But, yeah. Good idea. Most people aren't even paying attention to my video anyway or taking the lesson, soooo... Pft, no getting through to some people. XD
At least you did put the information out there, people who want to listen will listen and by knowing the information they can form their own opinions like you stated. xx
The times when the bad guy takes his angry on a flunkies it's usually either comical or at time karmatic . In the case of the Joker's treatment of Harley, it is disturbing and tearjerking as it resembles real abuse, like when a wife gets abused by her alcoholic husband. It would even be worse if they had a kid as he/she would be forced to witness this and normally they are traumatized by those moments.
I know this sounds fucked up, but I like the relationship with Harley and Joker in this cartoon rather than in Suicide Squad. It makes more sense, and plus, the Clown Prince of Crime loves NOWONE!
petr Miller Hates, he hates only Batman (which for the Joker is the equivalent to being in love for sane people). And the feeling is mutual, Batman hates him right back.
She was far kinder than the joker. In other series she as said several times she should leave the joker. :P And actually in series where they are (or could be) shipped together Ivy was a far kinder lover.
To all of the people bitching about Harley Quinn being abused and how awful it is, OF COURSE SHE IS ABUSED. That's the point. The joker is a nut job with no understanding of what standard love is. Harley Quinn is most likely a sadomasochist with exceptionally low self esteem. Their relationship is MEANT to be fucked up. Both Joker and Quinn know exactly who they are and who they are (for lack of a better word) dating. They both know how to manipulate each other. They tear and beat and break each other in all the right places. This brings them as close to happiness as they can get. In their own twisted sense they do "love" each other. Is it right? Hell no. Is it healthy? Fuuuuck no. But that's what makes their relationship so great from a character writing perspective. They're two deceivingly complex characters with a deliciously difficult relationship. This clip also fails to show all the times Harley and kicked the shit out of Mister J. She's no damaged butterfly Not all characters are meant to be heros or anti heros. Some are sick, twisted, and beyond comprehension to us "Normie's". That merely shows how excellently they have been written. It sort of seems that more and more villains are being turned into anti heros so we don't have to feel bad about liking the monsters. but if you can't handle these kinds of characters go watch some fucking Blue's Clues or something.
0:37 I love how sad and depressing he looks in the shot. It’s hilarious. I love all the titles as why don’t you want a relationship like Harleys and jokers there’s a big reason jokers I psychotic maniac and a Harley is dumb
Harley started singing and I was like, "AWWWW!!! Little cutie pie! (literally). Wait no. He's gonna hit her...or something." *he throws her outside* I didn't notice my brother was watching and he was like. *Hiss* "That's....jacked."
I love her singing voice.~ Well, it could be better, obviously. But, its sweet. Oh gosh-. Your brother knows what's right. xD My youngest brother hated that scene.
Everybody forgets that he is still a psychopath, this feelings he has for harley Are new for him he dont know how to deal with that. Eben the creators Are saying that. He loves her, and she loves him. Its a crazy love but she is still quinn and he joker.
Leo k Ye but what their saying is that we don't want that type of relationship Cos we wouldn't like it I don't think they meant Harley never liked it. Glad u understood there was no hate in this message
I have a friend in a relationship exactly like this and she's in Harley Quinn's position🤦🏾♂️ and she never seems to break up with him despite everything he does to her
emotionally, physically, and verbally abusive. search television they told the fairy phenomenal story especially the kids. But if this was real life then I seriously hope that if you want a relationship like this you get some help
@Comics Book Awesomeness that is what I am saying it isn't healthy. Its abusive. People who glamorize it are fucked up in the head. I'm glad Harley went with Ivy.
He is not gay,he just doesn't feel any empathy or emotion towards anyone,he is a sociopath,that kind of people doesn't feel any remorse,empathy or emotion towards anyone.
Joker is not gay joker loves harley its just he gets annoyed at her very easily and he hates batman but he likes pissing batman off its like a hobby for him he enjoys having an enemy and spreading chaos is his main passion
Tudor Nicolescu a psychopath never admits when they are wrong and also don't know what is right or wrong so the joker doesn't know that it's wrong to abuse her so for all he knows it is relationship goals
Kathryn Dorsey theres no such thing as p.c. culture or PC society. we just have social media to bitch about shit easily. when Janet showed her titty at Super Bowl people lost their shit. hell even Disney movies always had some messed up stories.
They made joker in suicide squad a ride or die and loving and ppl are attracted to that cause its romantic. Thats why a lot of people say they want a relationship like that after that movie cuz Every girl wants a ride or die. But if they were to make joker be very abusive to her like how he is in this cartoon, I dont think people would say they want that lol.
The thing I appreciate about dc shows back in the 90’s or early 2000’s that showed the Joker/Harley relationship was that they never censored any violence the joker directed towards Harley, they showed full force that this relationship is NOT! Couples goals, toy might not have realized how violent it was but it was abusive enough for you to understand that it was bad and definitely not a way you want to be treated In fact I never understood the courtroom scene until now, but for those who don’t I think the lawyer meant that when Harley escaped one time the Joker ratted her escape out in hopes his prison sentences would be reduced
I sometimes like the things these two do and tbh it kinda makes me laugh a bit. but yes, all in all, this absolutely isn't the best relationship to be in. I just mostly like this relationship because of their insanity. not because of what they do to each other, but the personality traits they both hold.
Although it’s very toxic and I would never say this is “goals” I think the joker actually does love Harley it’s just he is very VERY abusive because he’s legit a psycho so he doesn’t know how to love 🤷🏽♀️
Ok, you guys are really ridiculous. Why are you always saying that we can't love the joker-Harley relationship? What's wrong with that? This is FICTION. It's normal for people to IDOLIZE characters. What's wrong in being in love with characters that kill, abuse or torture??? Personally, since I was little I used to be on the bad guys side, but this doesn't mean if I ever hear news about people being killed I'm HAPPY. This is just an iconic couple, it's not wrong to love them. And also the part: joker doesn't love Harley. He abuses and uses her. Ok,who are you to tell me that? The creator? No? Ok, so I don't give a s*it of what are you're saying. The REAL producers of these characters, the ones who invented their personality, their history, said that HE LOVES HER in his dysfunctional way. Again: who are you to tell me that he doesn't love her? This is NOT your character, you can't decide for them. Also you're all saying he always wants her back just because he's possessive and he thinks she's his. But WHY he is so possessive? No one has ever asked himself why? Why does he want her? He must feel a connection to her. He could have thousand of girls that he can manipulate like he did with Harley. But he always wants her. P.S. I'm not referring particularly to the creators of this video, it's a general opinion
Italian Girl thats right!!! of course i wouldnt like this couple if they were real but they are characters! for example i like poison ivy and harley relacionchip but the joker had a majer part on that thing too! also dont kill me but harley being obssesed and most of the times coming back to the joker its part of her character. if harley wasnt connected to the joker in my opinion it would be a less interesthing character. i also like when harley gets independent of the joker but i have to admit that it became a bit of a letdown. the joker has to exist for harley to be harley.
There’s nothing wrong with LIKING characters who are evil. But a lot of people for some reason see this as a healthy relationship and try to model their own relationships after Joker and Harley. Which is fucked up and wrong. Look, I like Hannibal Lector as a villain, but that doesn’t mean I approve of cannibalism. Same here. I like the Joker and Harley but anyone who wants a relationship like theirs seriously needs to get fucking help.
I just want to point out that harley literally (in sane consciousness and of her own free will) CHOSE to be with and pursue the joker KNOWING what he was going to be like and then chose to stay with him afterwards...i'm not saying their relationship is the world's definition of a healthy relationship but the blame isn't all on the joker here...that was what was originally exciting about harley...she was completely sane and made the decision for herself to walk down the twisted path because it intrigued her...being with him as abusive as he is, made her happy...and being without him or his abuse made her sadder than she had ever been...once again, i'm not saying their relationship is a healthy one...but they also aren't healthy folks
Lady But if you love somebody even a bit then that emotion alone would prevent you from treating someone like crap, Joker might love the Batman but not Harley.
What most of the people in this comment section are failing to realize is that we don't want the abuse of the relationship. Personally, I like the fantasy of it all. Having someone you're madly in love with to do crime with. Someone that's twisted and psychotic like you, someone you can relate too and bounce your craziness off of. Kinda like Bonnie and clide. So everyone needs to chill. Realistically, it couldn't happen. And I would never break the law. But it's still nice to fantasize about having a partner in crime that you're in love with.
Penny Thompkins Bonnie and Clyde? Real people who did really horrible things? That's not relationship goals. Additionally, the abuse in the relationship IS present between Harley and The Joker. It's a package deal, not something you pick and choose. They commit atrocities in Gotham, and in no way are they something that should be emulated. There are many other fictions couples out there that have non-abusive relationships and may be wild, quirky or whatever. But "bouncing off each other's crazy" or dwelling in each other's "psycho" isn't healthy. When people allow thoughts like that to manifest and fester, you get real life crimes because they become much more tangible (I.e I'm not the only one thinking this, therefore it can't be completely wrong). And that's dangerous.
the joker is such a great character, one of my most loved characters... it is really abusive after all... this is very toxic, and I feel better when she sometimes abuse him back but it's not the same cos most of the time he got the controll in his hands.. scene 7:00 till something like 7:25 or something was really really hard to watch. and the sad part that it happenes in real life
I once got told that Harley/Joker wasn't abusive, and Harley wasn't a victim because she was a psychopath too. I replied "so in your opinion, mentally ill girls deserve to be abused and beaten, both physically and emotionally?" *slowly backs away from the creep* "WHAT THE FUCK MAN???!!!!!!" *runs away screaming*.
The Title to this Video is, "Why you DON'T want a relationship like this" AFTER WATCHING THIS VIDEO MY QUESTION STILL IS, "why don't I want a Relationship like this?" HARLEY LOVES JOKER NO MATTER WHAT!
If somebody ship harley and the joker, they should go to therapy. i hope they show the relationship in SS 2 just for show a lesson, and then make harley scape from him and be with somebody else.
In the comics the abuse is even worse.
someone that eats pears true
***** Well, jokers punches her alot, harley rips his lip, it's very graphic
someone that eats pears yep.
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i ship them but now i dont because she gets abused every time.. we're so sorry harley
Wait, do people actually idolize the Harley/Joker relationship? Like, they actually want that to happen to them? That's more disturbing then the relationship itself.
To be fair people who think of their relationship as goals only base off their opinion from the movie. Not everyone has read the comic books or watched the cartoon and their relationship in the movie does have its good moments... if you ignore the fact that he tortured her into insanity with electrical shocks :p
Katmiobeth x That really doesn't make it any better. Like you said, in the movie he tortured her into insanity. And he still tried to kill her. Make no mistake, that scene where he drops her into the vat of chemicals? He totally was going to leave her to die. I don't care if he saved her because he actually loves her. It's still messed up that anyone wants that kind of relationship.
JMDarkly1
But It is worse in The comic when harley was close To Kill batman
She called joker he arrived and get angry with her because for him is joker the only one Who must caught and kill batman
joker throwed harley from a palace window
that s not love
if harley dies don t interest To joker
JMDarkly1 Ikr did anyone else read the comic where he tried to throw her into a active volcano?
Ya, I'm f*cked up.
The Joker mistreat Harley every time she behaves like a dog begging for love which is almost always , but every time she makes a stand and fights him back, that's the only time he values her.
my cats like that
I hate the Joker now poor Harley 😟😰😩😨😧😦😈
Kiara Swim 😊
Kiara Swim I know right but in suicide squad he didn't do that?
+Emoji Girl ugh
that's because they made their relationship look more sweet than it actually is, which was a stupid decision that disappointed many.
1:32 "don't u want to rep up ur Harley?
Vroom vroom."
Adult joke right there!😂
ThugPanda which episode is this
lozeldamaster 😂
Anil T. Batman adventures
0:54 You also forgot this. And this 0:58
Panda it’s from The New Batman Adventures...I forgot what episode tho
They're not goals at all. Not in the movie. Not in the show. Not in the comics. End of story. Abuse is not Love.
S T A R L I G H T R O M E he isn't abusive in the movie
Penny Thompkins If he wasn't abusive he wouldn't be the Joker. Other than a psychotic killer who is obsessed with trying to kill Batman, he is abusive and manipulative to those he wants to do his bidding.
"Oh, I'm not gonna kill ya'. I'm just gonna hurt ya' really..really..bad." Is what he says before proceeding to literally put Harley through shock "therapy".
I don't know about you but if pushing your "loved one" over the edge of insanity then..i don't know how to help you.
S T A R L I G H T R O M E nope, sorry even serial killers have ❤👩, not all of them but quite a few. in the movie he isn't like the cartoons, he does seem selfish but he also saves her. either way they aren't my goals, jut8wanted to make a point that u can be a killer and have a gf.
curly sue She's his plaything, not his girlfriend. I'm pretty sure he still drove into the ocean even though she told him she couldn't swim. Did he save her from being taken to jail and being abused/treated wrongly for who knows how long? No, He came to pick her up when they were on the roof and he could've "rescued" her literally anytime afterwards since he was still alive, but did he? No. Not until she was back in jail at the end of the movie.
And if a serial killer had a heart why would they kill? The Joker has no humanity, he has no remorse for others only himself and the Batman.
Harley was the Jokers escape from Arkham Asylum and that was it, then he turned her into his disposable minion that comes running back to him with a few sweet words.
She wasn't apart of his plan, and he said that.
@@janesmith4167 literally NO one said that just because your a serial killer you can't have a girlfriend. There were serial killers that were married and had kids. They have life's outside of their crimes. This relationship is toxic and abusive.
I always liked Harley Quinn but the Joker always pissed me off how he'd just kick her ass when she was helpin him out all the time. Can't stand the Joker now.
Same. He really mistreats her a lot...
But she does the same right back to him
Sorry I don't want to be that one hater
+Kittykat205
No, I totally know she does it back. As I have mentioned in other comments on the video, I know she beats him up in the comic and even rips off his lower lip with her own teeth.
Kittykat205 Yea that's true. But it seems like she does it to him because he does it to her....but it's different in every seperate series their in and the comics so yea lol
To all those people who post those "I want a relationship like Joker and Harley Quinn"
Y E S.
Thank you! Someone agrees! ;3;
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle I'm just sick of people posting that kind of stuff. Especially if they haven't read any comics or watch them on the Animated cartoons!
+Bob Sherlock Ugh.
Same here. I mean, I love Harley and The Joker, I Cosplay Harley, I even have a cat named after her, but... I would N E V E R want a relationship like that!
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle Apparently some girls want their interests to push them out of a building.
+Bob Sherlock
Apparently so. But, the second their better half slams their heads against a wall, or throws them across the room, it's a law suit and jail.
Toxic relationship
Totally toxic.
Just another relationship between an abuser and a victim who can, and really should, leave, but won't because FEELZ. All too many of us have seen something like this; in fact all too many of us have LIVED something like this.
As for Joker and Harley themselves, they're both batshit insane, how can they possibly have any kind of "normal" relationship???
Well, she has left before. Just- Keeps going back to him.
And she wasn't always insane before she met the Joker. He made her feel wanted and offered to be one of her 'friends', since she didn't have many, and she fell in love.
Exactly how abusers draw in their victims. They don't start off smacking their "love" around and calling them names, they're often quite sweet at first. But later on, the honeymoon ends with pain.
Yeaaah... I kinda seen that happen with my own parents-.
Not going to get too depressing or shit, though. Not on this channel. XD
But, yeah. That tends to happen in a lot of relationships sadly. And then the abuser will use manipulation. Make the other feel like they will not get any better than them, and that they'd be all alone.
you know as a kid I never realized how abusive this really was Jesus Christ
Andrew ! So you were really stupid as a kid?
@@shrekisthebestfranchiseand5032 i never realized it was abusive either lmao kids don't know about these things everyone was stupid as a kid i used to ship them so much when i was young i thought they were cute i wasnt being stupid i just thought that life was all unicorns and rainbows
Don’t say the lords name in vain it’s wrong
Nah I remember being like 6 seeing her getting thrown out of the window and thinking tf am I watching
@@dontcallanimalspetstheyare7871this was five years ago-
Joker in Suicide Squad brainwashed Harley. Literally. He electrocuted her.
💀 he only electrocuted her because she had to electrocute him
THANK YOU!!! ever since Suicide Squad came out all I ever hear out of mouths of the teenage girls around me is "I want a love like Harley and Joker!❤" and I over here like "No you REALLY dont!!"
Lmao 😂😂
this case of misaimed fandom was existing prior to that movie really it was only pandering to those people and solidifying their beliefs further
Ivy at 8:13. "So much for self esteem." I agree with her entirely on that part. Harley has no self respect when it comes to the Joker.
Marguerite21 preach
@terryntruth1824 it all comes from her childhood and not being loved or told she was liked even it's why she will take even his attention which isn't caring or kind at all its better to her than being ignored like she was used to
Harley's voice is so cute 😘
I love her voice. 💜 >3
I love the person that does her voice. 😊 Tara Strong
@Evyatar Hadar Tara did Batgirl first then took over for Arlene. I love Tara Strong. ☺️
When Harley made that pudding for joker on his birthday and sang that song and just for joker to reject her that was sad.
It is sad. ;-;
It must of taken her ages to bake that pie!
he does... he cant show love. In the mad love comic it said it. They abuse eachother aswell so its kind weird
yeah
@Conrad Wasn't he 44 at the start of BTAS?
@Conrad Ah ok
*Aircraft Explodes*
Harley: Puddin'!
Batman: At this point, he probably is.
Geez Batman is cruel XD
XD
10:12
If he seems softer in Suicide Squad it's only because he's not the focus, she is. So it's more from her point of of view. Also helps people new to the character better understand why she puts up with him. If there's a sequel, I'd expect more abuse.
I can agree with that
I know this is old but I doubt they would show more abuse. Joker now is ruined like they did with twilight and vampires. Instead of keeping Joker his natural psychopathic style and dirty grimy look, they gave him a hot guy look. So he’s gonna be a baby face
@Hunger43 I really could never perceive that as hot.
It’s cause in SS WB changed his performance as Joker, he was originally scary and violent and abusive to Harley but they changed it
The problem isn't just that Joker is shat bit nor that Harley is unstable. Harley was manipulated and abused all of her life, on many levels, as well as taught by her "peers" that you are either the manipulator or the manipulated. It doesn't excuse what she or he did or will do, rather it is the simple fact that when you never are show how a healthy relationship works you never want one.
Joker does love Harley in a sick twisted way, in practically all his versions. It is stated by the creators, but the Joker, as he is crazy, cannot express those emotions like a normal, sane person, would. So he tries to supress those emotions and sometimes even try to kill Harley. Harley too isn't always the victim of abuse though. She fights back several times, like when she almost shot him in the video. Also, she enjoys the abuse, as one time that the joker was sane, he actually was good with her, giving her presents and everything, only for her to slap him and telling him that he was a wimp. So basically they are both crazy and form an unusual couple. While the Suicide Squad portrayed them both far more gentle towards each other (and I liked that) the truth for all versions of them is that they really cannot be apart from each other from long, as they BOTH need each other.
Ok The joker is not insane hes super sane because he knows hes in a comic book.
I agree in every way. I've always been fascinated by their relationship
♡ true
I dont think she likes the abuse. She likes his personality in general. Joker is unpredictable, witty, charming, and willing to take what he wants. He also in the beginning would listen to harley quinns problems. She doesnt want a wuss, no girl does. Also what episode did he go sane and she dislikes him?
+Edward Nashton
I was a comic, not an episode, can't remember which one though.
I use to have a relationship similar to theirs, but I didn’t do it on purpose. I did everything to make him happy and at first he loved me then after two years a different side of him showed and our relationship began to spiral into this on and off kind of thing. When he was mad (which was often) he would threaten me, one time he said he would break every bone in my body. He even cheated on me often and insulted me multiple times. But I was stupid and naive like Harley, everytime he apologized, I went back to him, never defending myself and never blaming him. He said many times he wanted to marry me and have kids with me, and I believed all of it. Finally after he left me on our 5th year anniversary I stood up for myself and told him I didn’t need him and that I can make it on my own without him. It was so hard but I’m so glad to be out of such a horrible relationship and a horrible experience. This is not what love should look like and poor Harley must have been put through hell, I know I was.
I am so proud of you
That’s scary , thanks for sharing.
Evil is COMPLETELY selfish. And that's the Joker.
Now I have two sides to this:
First being what someone else said here earlier, Joker is so insane, he can't execute his emotions very well, and he tries to hide his emotions. Which ends in abuse. Plus Harley does hit back sometimes.
But I also do agree that this is a toxic relationship no matter what, and I am grateful that you made this because so many girls fantasize about this, and they think a relationship like this is okay.
XXinsane.killjoyXX Thanks for agreeing with me!
It's not to say that I don't love Harley and the Joker, but no one should ever want a relationship like they have. Like you said, The Joker is insane, and Harley is just as bad. Thanks for your comment.~
"Puddin!"
"At this point, he probably is".
The way she fell from the building in slomo after he pushed her hurt my heart
Everyone says their goals because of suacide squad but they aren't actually goals
goles are Monica and Chandler from friends
+terrormonster666 And Morticia and Gomez
cupcake sprinkle34 what's funny is that I've been hearing that quote for years, even before SS came out.
cupcake sprinkle34 true !!!!
Harley Quinn you obviously have a problem if you think that this is okay. He isn’t even being a dick because majority of people did think it was okay because of that movie. I hope you open your eyes and realize you don’t want this at all. Do you really want someone ripping your ears off with their teeth? Or having them tie you to a rocket and blowing up? If so...get help please
THIS IS GOING TO BE LONG, SO SORRY!: Harley tortured and killed people just for fun, she is as bad as the Joker, wake up and stop thinking she's an angel that needs protection. I understand that just because she's a villain that it doesn't justify the fact that she's in an abusive relationship; however, it's funny how people think that the Joker in the animated series was the only one doing the abuse. In episode "Joker's Millions" in the end Harley beats the hell out of Joker, she is not a victim. They are both very abusive, and toxic for each other. They are both so twisted and sick. And no, Harley is not under Joker's influence when she does very bad things, she always had villainous characteristics before she even met the Joker. In her original origin, she wanted to work at Arkham Asylum not because she wanted to help her patients but because she was attracted to Gotham’s criminal underworld and described it as “glamorous”, and spent months trying to set up therapy sessions with Joker with the full intention of exploiting her patient by using his “secrets” as material for a tell-all book. Her idea of a “game night” is gleefully watching Joker shoot security guards as she cheers him on enthusiastically. She's a woman who may care for a small circle of friends but otherwise considers harming innocent people to be “just a joke”...she is a full blown sociopath.
Some more info about the animated series, if interested: It seems like the Joker doesn't care for her in the animated series but that doesn't mean he never cared about her in the animated series. Based on my analysis of BTAS, I think he does care for her. When she "treated" him in Arkham Asylum, he made up stories so that he could gain her sympathy, because he knew that once he had her wrapped around his finger, she would give him what he wanted: escape. He got that and then never looked back. She came after him, and after that it’s been a string of emotional, physical, and psychological abuse. However, I also think he “low key cares about her”. As much as the Joker can care about someone, anyway. It’s known that the Joker finds the lives of almost everyone extremely expendable. There are a few people he doesn’t kill right away because he wants to play with them first and draw out their suffering, but those are the people that give him an occupation. When it comes to people that work for him, he usually doesn’t keep anyone around for too long. Henchmen are a dime a dozen, and he never seems to like the criminals he teams up with. What I find fascinating is Harley being an exception to this. He doesn’t mind having her around compared to everyone else, and he’s kind of a certified loner. He doesn’t have the temper to deal with having an equal. He certainly doesn’t treat Harley like one, either, but she’s still an important assistant in many of his plans. Despite finding her annoying and never really needing her, he lets her follow him and work for him. I think that’s a pretty big deal, given his usual attitude towards nuisances. She’s a constant in his world of chaos. The only other person that we can say that about is Batman. I think that, in his own twisted, selfish, exploitative way, he feels something for her. The closest thing the Joker can feel to love, a twinge of something that he really doesn’t show for anyone else, which I find most fascinating of all. And when she’s not with him? He’s kind of a mess in the animated series..to the point where he can’t find his own socks (Ep. Harley and Ivy), tries to find a fake Harley when she left him (Joker's Millions) and when he gets irritated at fake Harley he almost shoots her and says quote on quote,"Who'd ever think I'd miss the real one?" just shows he has some feelings towards Harley. It is a very twisted love story. Let's also not forget the comics, eh? I have been reading DC for a long time now, and what I can say about Joker and Harley's relationship based on the comics is this: I believe that the Joker in some way loves Harley in the comics as well! Yes, of course the relationship isn't functional like I stated before but what IS functional about these two characters in the animated series and in the comics? Co-creator of Harley Quinn and writer for the animated series, Paul Dini said himself "He loves her as much as he can. He loves her in his way." I don't think it's stupid to like/ship this dysfunctional couple, and honestly I love 'em together. I think the Joker is a far stronger and more fascinating character if he does deep down love Harley. Did it start out that way? No. But as Mark Hamill, THE Joker of Dc animation, once said "Expressing emotion in any way that's real and meaningful is alien to the Joker, but he's learning those parts of himself, however unconsciously, through Harley. On a physical level they're dynamite together. A lot of relationships are defined by that. Two people may be really horrible for each other, but physically they push each other's buttons so clearly they can't get enough of that person." Arleen Sorkin, original voice actress who voiced Harley, once said that "Everyone else sees the Joker laugh, only Harley has ever seen him cry. It's the only reason she stays with him." I'm a HUGE joker fan and I must say that I find the character to usually be written 2d. An irredeemable psychopath who was a child hood sociopath, asexual with an obsession with Batman who uses people like Harley for a means to an end. This is an important interpretation of the Joker which has been mastered through Serious House on Serious Earth, death of the family, Jack Nicholson's Joker, Ledger's Joker, etc. However, the problem is this interpretation of the Joker gets old and is very limiting and doesn't allow for as much depth. I think the best type of interpretation for the Joker is one that despite having mental illnesses, deep down he knows the difference between right and wrong and is very capable of love, but has alienated these feelings due to his tragic past. People say that's not a good take on the Joker, that he should have no concept of right or wrong and he's completely irredeemable. A great and important interpretation to explore but one that eventually becomes limited and repetitive. Some fans say making the Joker capable of love and understanding right and wrong makes him less evil, but I think it makes him even worse. He knows the difference and yet he's still doing it. It makes him even more irredeemable. I think the Joker should be capable of love and have a tragic backstory but he is no longer redeemable and that's what makes him in spirit a prime example of the tragic clown. He is no longer fixable. This is acknowledged in both The Killing Joke, where he is shown to have a very tragic backstory, and when he himself admits you can't fix him when Batman offers to help him, indicating he knows that he's a terrible person. And of course the Bermejo/Azzarello Joker graphic novel which states he's a disease with no cure. The fans always cite the Azzarello/Bermejo Joker graphic novel, & The Killing Joke as among the best interpretations of the character, and it is implied that he had a tragic back story or he is capable of human emotion; yet despite this, it seems some of the fans always want him to be someone who was a psychopath since day one. So back to Harley and the Joker; when Joker first meets Harley... of course he doesn't care about her. He couldn't care less. But Harley reawakens his human side much to his contempt and he hates it but can't help it. He resents the fact he does deep down know he's a horrible person and yet is capable of love and sympathy. He admits this in the Bermejo/Azzarello graphic novel when he tells Johnny Frost how he hates apologies and envied a serial killer who showed no remorse for his actions as deep down,, the Joker does to an extent. In No Man's Land he tries to kill Harley because she made him fall in love with her. In the Azzarello/Bermejo graphic novel, he is shown on his knees clutching Harley as he cries, making her very much the stable one of the relationship and in the graphic novel, and at the time in B-Man's career that it takes place in, Harley has very much become his equal or so it seems. The novel is written and drawn in a way that the scene he holds and cries to Harley is very much supposed to be genuine. It's also a cool coincidence that his wife Jeannie in the Killing Joke looks kind of like Harley. Maybe Harley reminds him of Jeannie, something that would really enrage him. Also if the Batman was to find out Joker loves Harley, it would give him a reason not to kill Joker. It would give B-Man the vain hope that if this man is capable of love, then there is hope for him and every other criminal out there, despite the Joker telling him otherwise. Ironically, the Joker truly having feelings for Harley makes him more evil (and Harley too, since she loves him back) as he (BOTH!) knows and understands the difference between right and wrong and just doesn't care, as opposed to a sociopath incapable of human emotion. The Joker being at his core human makes him a far more fascinating and terrifying villain as he was not born bad but made that way..to which he became unfixable, which means all it will take is one bad day to make any of us become just like him!
So longer than short, as Joker's and Harley's relationship develops, it should start out with Joker using her as a means to an end to her becoming his kryptonite as the years pass by. I highly recommend anyone who hasn't read The Killing Joke and Brian Azzarello and Lee Bermejo's Joker graphic novel that they do. It's, in my opinion, the best take on the character.
Not relationship goals though, like you stated. Thanks for letting me share! -Audrey
I already know all of this- XD
This video was just mainly for the people who thought their relationship was amazing. Like, I have /so/ many girls on my social media wanting a relationship like Harley and the Joker's and I just- Well, I had to make one of these. I know she beats him up too, and rips off his lower lip with her own teeth in the comic, but for those people who aren't actual fans and think they are 'perfect relationship goals', I had to point out that it's not.
Because the second a guy gives her that and lays a finger on her, it's a law suit.
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle Thanks again for letting me share! :) Yea, I totally understand your intentions on uploading this video, it's good that you wanna inform girls who do think this is a perfect relationship..I just wanted inform to those people that Harley is also evil as he is, also how their feelings are mutual yet they are twisted and toxic for each other yet somehow it works out for people like them. It's completely dysfunctional. xx
audreyevin No problem! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.~
But, yeah. Good idea. Most people aren't even paying attention to my video anyway or taking the lesson, soooo... Pft, no getting through to some people. XD
At least you did put the information out there, people who want to listen will listen and by knowing the information they can form their own opinions like you stated. xx
Yeah, I guess so.~
The times when the bad guy takes his angry on a flunkies it's usually either comical or at time karmatic . In the case of the Joker's treatment of Harley, it is disturbing and tearjerking as it resembles real abuse, like when a wife gets abused by her alcoholic husband. It would even be worse if they had a kid as he/she would be forced to witness this and normally they are traumatized by those moments.
I'm one of those kids I'm just glad my mom finally get to be free 7 yrs ago
Lol I just love when he calls her by pet names (pooh, pumpkin pie, baby, harls)
And he had a framed picture of her on his desk lol
same
He only does so to make sure she thinks they're in a relationship, when in reality he doesn't care about her at all. It's all just manipulation.
"Dont you wanna taste my pie? Im sure youll want seconds" Hmmmm......
I know this sounds fucked up, but I like the relationship with Harley and Joker in this cartoon rather than in Suicide Squad. It makes more sense, and plus, the Clown Prince of Crime loves NOWONE!
cake
JackTheCakeyBakey It's from her point of view...
He does love her in his own psycho way
JackTheCakeyBakey i agree
petr Miller Hates, he hates only Batman (which for the Joker is the equivalent to being in love for sane people). And the feeling is mutual, Batman hates him right back.
The Joker would care more about Batman than Harley Quinn.
Ho ho ho 😏
Harley sweetie, go to poison ivy. :| She'd be a much better lover than the joker.
Yes, she was so nice when she repeatedly slammed Harley's head onto the floor.
She was far kinder than the joker. In other series she as said several times she should leave the joker. :P And actually in series where they are (or could be) shipped together Ivy was a far kinder lover.
Terezi Pyrope YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS5ssssss
How about she leaves them both and finds someone who won't treat her like a human punching bag? 😒
Please no.
This is why it’s awesome in injustice when she willingly turns her back on him. Love her in those games
I saw the movie and i liked it, but there's a question inside of me...
WHY IS HE SO ROMANTIC?????
Prince Marth Because he wants to keep Harley so she can do his bidding.
Steven Peters That's a better explanation and logical
Daniel Kedney Joker is a manipulator
In suicide squad his romantic cause jared leto played his role of course and you know jared leto is one of a kind ;)
poor harley
She likes being treated that way.....She could leave the Joker if she wanted. But chooses not to.
Won't Marry You, I'll BURY YOU it is always hard to leave abusive relationships
@@persistentlypathetic6820 and that’s why I feel sorry for her.
7:39 he got a picture of her on his desk
I noticed that too lol
Ok that changes everything, what a wonderful loving man 😂
At least she beats him up in comics.
"i want a relationship like harley and joker!" no, unless you want to be pushed out the window, almost killed, forgotten and etc.
Ship them? Yes I do.
Wants a relationship like them? No I don't!
Anyone agree?
exactlyyy
Completely- Hence why I made the video- X'D
why u will ship something that u dont want for u self? do u know what "ship" mean? lol
+slikpont ._. U dont.. If u ship u cant un ship even if u want to
so how u will ship "support" something that u dont want for u self, because you know is bad.
To all of the people bitching about Harley Quinn being abused and how awful it is, OF COURSE SHE IS ABUSED. That's the point. The joker is a nut job with no understanding of what standard love is. Harley Quinn is most likely a sadomasochist with exceptionally low self esteem. Their relationship is MEANT to be fucked up. Both Joker and Quinn know exactly who they are and who they are (for lack of a better word) dating. They both know how to manipulate each other. They tear and beat and break each other in all the right places. This brings them as close to happiness as they can get. In their own twisted sense they do "love" each other. Is it right? Hell no. Is it healthy? Fuuuuck no. But that's what makes their relationship so great from a character writing perspective. They're two deceivingly complex characters with a deliciously difficult relationship. This clip also fails to show all the times Harley and kicked the shit out of Mister J. She's no damaged butterfly Not all characters are meant to be heros or anti heros. Some are sick, twisted, and beyond comprehension to us "Normie's". That merely shows how excellently they have been written. It sort of seems that more and more villains are being turned into anti heros so we don't have to feel bad about liking the monsters. but if you can't handle these kinds of characters go watch some fucking Blue's Clues or something.
watches suicide squad says their couple goals... They are in suicide squad just not in the comics/cartoons.
Yeah
The movie is really uncanon to other media, though. Joker nearly always abuses Harley.
The movie showed a bit of abuse though
Milky Pineapple the novelization further explains it
lilyfirexx yeah I know about their relationship and how badly he treated her and how she turned out the way she did, I read the comics.
most of the people who want their relationship already are in an abusive relationship...
I completely disagree with their relationship. Joker slaps her and knocks her down Wtf? He honestly doesn't care about her
0:37 I love how sad and depressing he looks in the shot. It’s hilarious.
I love all the titles as why don’t you want a relationship like Harleys and jokers there’s a big reason jokers I psychotic maniac and a Harley is dumb
Harley started singing and I was like, "AWWWW!!! Little cutie pie! (literally). Wait no. He's gonna hit her...or something." *he throws her outside*
I didn't notice my brother was watching and he was like.
*Hiss* "That's....jacked."
I love her singing voice.~
Well, it could be better, obviously. But, its sweet.
Oh gosh-. Your brother knows what's right. xD
My youngest brother hated that scene.
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle Same with mine xD It's just...cruel
Completely cruel! ;w;
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle *sobs* Its okay Harley we'll all eat the pie with you
+Alaysia Selvin And watch movies with her.~ 💜
6:50 I finally get the joke. The joke is that they're not smiling
That’s why I root for Harley in her animated show. She found the strength to break free of Joker and get a better relationship with Ivy
"Puddin'!!!"
"At this point he probably is."
HARSH!
"you really know how to put the fun in funeral" dude I lost it 😂😂
Girls don't even know the real relationship between Harley and The Joker... Smh
Everybody forgets that he is still a psychopath, this feelings he has for harley Are new for him he dont know how to deal with that. Eben the creators Are saying that. He loves her, and she loves him. Its a crazy love but she is still quinn and he joker.
Leo k Ye but what their saying is that we don't want that type of relationship Cos we wouldn't like it I don't think they meant Harley never liked it. Glad u understood there was no hate in this message
they addressed that joker was abusive to harley in the comics, she eventually left him and he tried to pull her back in, didn't happen
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If that's what you call love. I'll pass.
So because my abused ass is getting hit by my boyfriend it’s ok because he’s psycho... wow
I have a friend in a relationship exactly like this and she's in Harley Quinn's position🤦🏾♂️ and she never seems to break up with him despite everything he does to her
Ik you wrote this two years ok but is she ok now ? 😭
@@luhprincess_ oh yeah she's doing a lot better! She found someone that treats her a lot better and cares for her and she is genuinely happy now! :-)
@@justingarrett2239 yasssss even tho I don’t know her , she deserves the best 😌💜✨and so do you .
@@luhprincess_ aww thank you!!😊☺️ and you as well!!!
You're really sick, you know that, boss? lmao
Poor Harley. She got so happy to have a chance of being a mermaid. XD
KawaiiAwkwardTurtle Joker was so wrong.
glass rune Completely wrong. Harley would of made a cute mermaid-
A textbook example of a abusive relationship
People who idolize this relationship are reason why shampoo comes with instructions
7:51 horrible thing is she even flinched on the phone when they were talking as if he was going to hurt her or yell at her
"If there was no Batman, there would be no Joker." That comment hits hard now.
I like joker and Harley's relationship in suicide squad
mee too
I hated it. It was so untrue to the source material and a mockery of Harley's character
It showed a bit of abuse though
+Emø Ciel PHANtømhive
I haven't even seen Suicide Squad yet, and a lot of people have told me it let them down.
Except it isn't real because there are deleted scenes of the Joker smacking Harley across the face onto the ground and then seemingly pissing on her.
um... its abusive... so is it normal to b seen by kids?
well I mean when it came out
because its wasnt seen as "goals" or romance. everyone knew harley was stupid
so it was normal to b seen by kids during that time?
onde há abusos herói tho
idk i jus think kids could of gotten ideas of that latr wen older
emotionally, physically, and verbally abusive. search television they told the fairy phenomenal story especially the kids. But if this was real life then I seriously hope that if you want a relationship like this you get some help
Just because someone loves their abuser doesn't mean there is no abuse. Just means that they are blind to it because of a number of different reasons
Funny how he calls her poo but Harley calls him puddin
i like the relationship between catwoman and Batman more so than joker and harley
@Comics Book Awesomeness that is what I am saying it isn't healthy. Its abusive. People who glamorize it are fucked up in the head.
I'm glad Harley went with Ivy.
I feel bad for her since joker doesnt deserve to even have her love. She just wants love and wants to make joker happy
@jewLUBEkneegahRsWHINEyou're literally under the comment section of this video just to spew unnecessary negative unneeded bulshit. please seek a job
This is how Harley should be, not some flat chested dyed hair girlboss who emasculates and kills Batman like a dog
Tough love?! HA! Where's the "love" part?
Also sometimes I wonder if The Joker is gay.
Catherine Dixon The only person that the Joker ever loved is Batman xD
He is not gay,he just doesn't feel any empathy or emotion towards anyone,he is a sociopath,that kind of people doesn't feel any remorse,empathy or emotion towards anyone.
Catherine Dixon haha honestly I do believe that the joker is gay. He is clearly obsessed with batman
Joker is not gay joker loves harley its just he gets annoyed at her very easily and he hates batman but he likes pissing batman off its like a hobby for him he enjoys having an enemy and spreading chaos is his main passion
Shut up bitch hater
Joker's reaction to suicide squad : Not #RelationshipGoals , cant even count how many times i threw her off buildings XD
They abuse eachother..
only he abuses her tho
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a psychopath never admits when they are wrong and also don't know what is right or wrong so the joker doesn't know that it's wrong to abuse her so for all he knows it is relationship goals
suicide shows a little of a difference for the realtionship. i loved that version more
uh ok
her love should do it
thats the point
Cheena Marie there was moments where joker did show some affection but but that was quickly retracted by a violent outburst
It was just a movie though guys is all im saying..... Jeez... Some ppl are being an asshole for other peoples opinions. It was only a movie.....smh
Kathryn Dorsey theres no such thing as p.c. culture or PC society. we just have social media to bitch about shit easily. when Janet showed her titty at Super Bowl people lost their shit. hell even Disney movies always had some messed up stories.
I hate how suicide squad tries hiding the fact that the joker is abusive
They made joker in suicide squad a ride or die and loving and ppl are attracted to that cause its romantic. Thats why a lot of people say they want a relationship like that after that movie cuz Every girl wants a ride or die. But if they were to make joker be very abusive to her like how he is in this cartoon, I dont think people would say they want that lol.
Either Joker is REALLY GOOD at manipulation or Harley is just too stupid to see that she’s being abused and controlled
IDK why harley fell in love with him! xD
bc he's hot
Chara the human *underswap he kinda forced her...
3:35 the only one i actually laughed at.
Whoever says they want a relationship like Harley and Joker, I just slap them across the room.
The thing I appreciate about dc shows back in the 90’s or early 2000’s that showed the Joker/Harley relationship was that they never censored any violence the joker directed towards Harley, they showed full force that this relationship is NOT! Couples goals, toy might not have realized how violent it was but it was abusive enough for you to understand that it was bad and definitely not a way you want to be treated
In fact I never understood the courtroom scene until now, but for those who don’t I think the lawyer meant that when Harley escaped one time the Joker ratted her escape out in hopes his prison sentences would be reduced
I sometimes like the things these two do and tbh it kinda makes me laugh a bit. but yes, all in all, this absolutely isn't the best relationship to be in. I just mostly like this relationship because of their insanity. not because of what they do to each other, but the personality traits they both hold.
Although it’s very toxic and I would never say this is “goals” I think the joker actually does love Harley it’s just he is very VERY abusive because he’s legit a psycho so he doesn’t know how to love 🤷🏽♀️
Exactly
He really doesn’t like her if you think he actually cares about her then you don’t understand the character of joker
Poor harley... She deserves better
BAHAHA HE SAID 'Sweet kid terrible cook'
Ok, you guys are really ridiculous. Why are you always saying that we can't love the joker-Harley relationship? What's wrong with that? This is FICTION. It's normal for people to IDOLIZE characters. What's wrong in being in love with characters that kill, abuse or torture??? Personally, since I was little I used to be on the bad guys side, but this doesn't mean if I ever hear news about people being killed I'm HAPPY. This is just an iconic couple, it's not wrong to love them.
And also the part: joker doesn't love Harley. He abuses and uses her. Ok,who are you to tell me that? The creator? No? Ok, so I don't give a s*it of what are you're saying. The REAL producers of these characters, the ones who invented their personality, their history, said that HE LOVES HER in his dysfunctional way.
Again: who are you to tell me that he doesn't love her?
This is NOT your character, you can't decide for them.
Also you're all saying he always wants her back just because he's possessive and he thinks she's his.
But WHY he is so possessive? No one has ever asked himself why?
Why does he want her?
He must feel a connection to her.
He could have thousand of girls that he can manipulate like he did with Harley.
But he always wants her.
P.S. I'm not referring particularly to the creators of this video, it's a general opinion
Italian Girl Damn you're pissed.
Italian Girl thats right!!! of course i wouldnt like this couple if they were real but they are characters! for example i like poison ivy and harley relacionchip but the joker had a majer part on that thing too! also dont kill me but harley being obssesed and most of the times coming back to the joker its part of her character. if harley wasnt connected to the joker in my opinion it would be a less interesthing character. i also like when harley gets independent of the joker but i have to admit that it became a bit of a letdown. the joker has to exist for harley to be harley.
There’s nothing wrong with LIKING characters who are evil. But a lot of people for some reason see this as a healthy relationship and try to model their own relationships after Joker and Harley. Which is fucked up and wrong.
Look, I like Hannibal Lector as a villain, but that doesn’t mean I approve of cannibalism. Same here. I like the Joker and Harley but anyone who wants a relationship like theirs seriously needs to get fucking help.
I just want to point out that harley literally (in sane consciousness and of her own free will) CHOSE to be with and pursue the joker KNOWING what he was going to be like and then chose to stay with him afterwards...i'm not saying their relationship is the world's definition of a healthy relationship but the blame isn't all on the joker here...that was what was originally exciting about harley...she was completely sane and made the decision for herself to walk down the twisted path because it intrigued her...being with him as abusive as he is, made her happy...and being without him or his abuse made her sadder than she had ever been...once again, i'm not saying their relationship is a healthy one...but they also aren't healthy folks
And? It's still a toxic relationship
my point is for those who choose to blame ALL of the volatility on the joker...
What happens with her, is happening with women all around the country. Physically returning to an abusive relationship, expecting him to change.
I'm not saying I want one like this, I want an exciting, adventurous one though!
Adventurous relationships are best.
it's soo sad seeing Harley get beat up in every scene ... I feel her pain..
Joker does love Harley, he just gets randolmy mood changes, and cant control himself. U k what they say about the crazy ones...
i'm glad someone understands the difference between psychosis and constant intentional/deliberate abuse here...
Lady But if you love somebody even a bit then that emotion alone would prevent you from treating someone like crap, Joker might love the Batman but not Harley.
Joker when it's Harley: I sleep
Joker when it's Batman: Real shit
Joker: kicks out Harley
The streets: ah shit here we go again
this is only in the animated batman show. the one in suicide sqaud is probably the best reason to want a Harley Quinn and joker relationship
5:48 close your eyes, and listen
Lmfao! Wanna taste of my pie?!
I watched this on saturday morning cartoons 20 some years ago. Cant believe that got that in!
Harley Quinn: I am so sick of that same old love that s*** it tears me up
Saw someone on Tinder, her profile said "Looking for my Mr. J." I swiped left.
What most of the people in this comment section are failing to realize is that we don't want the abuse of the relationship. Personally, I like the fantasy of it all. Having someone you're madly in love with to do crime with. Someone that's twisted and psychotic like you, someone you can relate too and bounce your craziness off of. Kinda like Bonnie and clide. So everyone needs to chill. Realistically, it couldn't happen. And I would never break the law. But it's still nice to fantasize about having a partner in crime that you're in love with.
Penny Thompkins Bonnie and Clyde? Real people who did really horrible things? That's not relationship goals. Additionally, the abuse in the relationship IS present between Harley and The Joker. It's a package deal, not something you pick and choose. They commit atrocities in Gotham, and in no way are they something that should be emulated.
There are many other fictions couples out there that have non-abusive relationships and may be wild, quirky or whatever. But "bouncing off each other's crazy" or dwelling in each other's "psycho" isn't healthy. When people allow thoughts like that to manifest and fester, you get real life crimes because they become much more tangible (I.e I'm not the only one thinking this, therefore it can't be completely wrong). And that's dangerous.
the joker is such a great character, one of my most loved characters... it is really abusive after all... this is very toxic, and I feel better when she sometimes abuse him back but it's not the same cos most of the time he got the controll in his hands.. scene 7:00 till something like 7:25 or something was really really hard to watch. and the sad part that it happenes in real life
30% love
20% sarcasm
50% abuse
I once got told that Harley/Joker wasn't abusive, and Harley wasn't a victim because she was a psychopath too. I replied "so in your opinion, mentally ill girls deserve to be abused and beaten, both physically and emotionally?" *slowly backs away from the creep* "WHAT THE FUCK MAN???!!!!!!" *runs away screaming*.
The Title to this Video is, "Why you DON'T want a relationship like this"
AFTER WATCHING THIS VIDEO MY QUESTION STILL IS, "why don't I want a Relationship like this?"
HARLEY LOVES JOKER NO MATTER WHAT!
The chemistry between mark and Arlene is memorizing it kind makes you forget the joker and Harley Quinn are a toxic couple 😂
If somebody ship harley and the joker, they should go to therapy. i hope they show the relationship in SS 2 just for show a lesson, and then make harley scape from him and be with somebody else.
Escape from Arkham, they split
thank God, finally
She isnt dating him.. She is dating posion ivy
+MSP news
No she isn't. That universe ended so as of now they aren't together
but she likes him the way he is one time he went sane and was treating her nicely and she didn't like it
8:15
Poison Ivy's back and green tights
And in this cartoon Bane has male milkers and blue tights
Or should i say, *DADDY MILKERS*
She should get over him he's just abusing and using her
Super Mittens She did. In the new Harley Quinn comics, she moves to Brooklyn and lives her own life.
Yay! Thx
Super Mittens you're welcome :)
Super Mittens Ikr the little kids that have only seen suicide squad ship it but if you have really read the comics.
It's a thing called Stockholm Syndrome
Thanks for uploading this. A lot of people don't really realise it.
Yes exactly, and girls keep calling them goals. .-.
I was playing Arkham City the other day and it's very obvious they are dysfunctional