Omicron in Mid-December: What Have We Learned and What Does it Mean?
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- In this Covid Grand Rounds, we’ll summarize the explosion of new information about the Omicron variant and put it into context. The session will begin with an update on Omicron, including its infectivity, capacity for immune escape, and severity, given by Carlos del Rio of Emory. This talk will be followed by a panel discussion with del Rio, Rachel Bystritsky of UCSF, and Paul Sax of Harvard/Brigham & Women’s, in which we explore the implications of Omicron, as well as the current Delta surge, for the holiday season and the pandemic in 2022. The session will be moderated by Bob Wachter.
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Program
Bob Wachter: Introduction
00:04:17-00:18:24 - Carlos del Rio (Professor of Medicine, Division of Infectious Diseases at Emory University School of Medicine and Professor of Global Health and Epidemiology, Rollins School of Public Health)
00:18:24-00:59:11 - Panel discussion with Rachel Bystritsky (Assistant Professor of Medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases at UCSF Health, and Chief of the UCSF Health Infectious Diseases Clinic), Carlos del Rio and Paul Sax (Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and Clinical Director of the Division of Infectious Diseases at Brigham and Women's Hospital (BWH))
Bob Wachter: Closing
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• November 18: In Conversation with Mark Laret
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• November 4: Covid-19 - Update on Vaccines and The State of the Pandemic with Paul Offit and George Rutherford
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Not One Comment on Vitamin D3 and how important it is in preventive of severe infection, hospitalization and death! No comments on Regeneron? All of these Doctors failed miserably in my option!
Absolutely....
Vaccine biased.
Big pharma wont make money then!
I agree. They sound terribly cautious and scared. I've traveled & done everything, almost with no mask. I did get vaccines but won't get booster. I have vit D level checked & it's quite high. Vitamins, eat well, exercise...almost 67 and no fear(a big risk factor is fear/anxiety) Really tired of all this! Of course NO talk of Ivermectin which has had great success(with other med as cocktail.) They are very mainstream-fear
That’s because they are the mouthpiece of the greedy and corrupt pharmaceutical aka politicians
To all of you in healthcare, no matter your roles, thank you SO MUCH for all you do everyday. I can only imagine how physically exhausted and emotionally fatigued you must be right night, only to have this fourth wave arrive when you have given all you had to give already, and you need a break.
Please know how much we appreciate you. We don't get to tell you enough, but we cannot thank you enough for hanging in there and continuing to fight the good fight. Many of us are doing are best to protect ourselves and others, and I can only imagine how discouraging, if not dismaying (?), it must be to see so many Americans and people in other cities around the world acting as if this pandemic is over. I certainly know how I feel, and my job does not include caring for people when they're ill.
Thank you for continuing to educate others, despite the number of hours you've been working, week after week, month after month, for the last two years.
The pandemic of 1918-1920 had 4 waves of which we have an historic record, so let's HOPE that this fourth wave will be our last before CoV2 becomes endemic.
Yeah yeah yeah
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Disgusting and delusional, your contempt for child abuses these people and you let and cause to continue! I understand you're all abused and damaged but I'm sick of you people acting insane, unreasonable, and illogical!
You are brainwashed
@@glo8778 All of humanity has been brainwashed. Please did deeper into where humanity goes wrong and why. Innocent and helpless children need help from being harmed by an overwhelming amount of people that show they don't believe that they are harming them.
@@01mustang05 To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.
- Thomas Paine
24:58 We now know Omicron is mild for "college campus" population. Yet we (e.g. Emory) force college kids to get the booster, while we don't force nursing home residents to be boosted. Why?
@@gferraro8353 Seems like the congregate living places didn't learn from the first Covid19 go round when large swaths of their vulnerable population lost their lives. Seems like they are behind the ball again.
They explain that the symptoms are mild and then spend the rest of their time plying the vaccines. As a South African I find this thinking absurd.
I'm wondering why I don't hear anything about the taking of 4-6000 IU of vitamin D and the daily recommend dosage of Zinc, from you guys. Like we are hearing from doctors across the pond? If simply taking vitamins will help give us older population a better chance of surviving this we should be hearing this from you guys.. I welcome your thoughts..
IF is big question. Is there any
evidence of vitamins helping against covid?
@@richardreddick5681
COVID-19 Mortality Risk Correlates Inversely with Vitamin D3 Status, and a Mortality Rate Close to Zero Could Theoretically Be Achieved at 50 ng/mL 25(OH)D3: Results of a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
Because its too late for vitamins. They have minimal effect. Just get boosted and eat properly
@@richardreddick5681 none.
Appreciate the informed appraisal of the situation. Also appreciate the advice. Thank you for taking the time when you all have been working so hard the past two years to get the global community through this pandemic.
Excellent presentation. This situation is so dynamic and evolving with such great speed it's tough to stay up to date.
@Websiteguy 2 ...on you.
To be clear. At the Oslo party. They «said» they took tests before. There is NO mandate to test nor did one have to show results. Not all of the guests were vaccinated. Though most of them were. As of today none have been deemed serious or in hospital.
The fear being whipped up are not justified - it’s as simple as that. Doesn’t like lung tissue but loves bronchial - upper respiratory at worse
Facts
I think we need to emphasize looking closely for a faint line on the rapid flow tests.
It can be hard to notice a faint line, but it can signal the opening of the phase where someone is capable of spreading the virus.
I think many people will mistakenly think if it's barely noticable they're ok when in reality isolating at that exact moment would have the greatest benefit to limiting onward transmission.
Someone should do a quick and dirty survey of test and the readings to get a handle on the frequency of missed signal.
@@thankmelater1254 LOL! Great handles you guys! (Kryptospotted & John Doe)
Really fine conversation (especially wait for the discussion segment). You know.......I've been listening/reading to numerous other resources, and all too often, the many "commonsense" questions really don't get addressed on a regular basis. These folks readily delve into such issues..in a very "human" fashion. Great job folks - I learned a lot. Thank you.
Try "This Week in Virology" with Professor Vincent Racianello of Columbia U. He's been a Virologist for over 40 years.
Wow, another terrific grand rounds. So informative and riveting. The pace of information delivery keeps me focused. Thanks!
I am happy to do the necessary. I certainly would do a Lateral Flow or any rapid test before meeting a vulnerable person. I don't mind wearing a mask either. Just be sensible.
If ppl were like you, we wouldn’t have a pandemic.
I watched my neighbors gr granddaughter because I felt bad for her mom, her husband had taken an ambulance earlier that day (for a “cold he got from the granddaughter”), refused to get tested, now I just tested positive on a home test twice.
Aren’t ppl so mean and selfish? I will NEVER babysit for ANYONE again!!! My diabetic fully vaccinated dad is now at risk along with the rest of my family. I have no faith in humanity anymore.
But Dr. del Rio said in the beginning that the monoclonal antibody treatments we have seem to be useless for Omicron, so why not just switch to anti-virals for early stage home treatment, as they can be accessed by patients in the critical, viral-replication stage? Having to wait “several days” to begin treatments with MATs is unlikely to reduce hospitalizations and deaths.
My doctor in Florida offers antivirals with Zinc and Z-pack first and MOT after a few days if not better
Exactly.
The GSK monoclonals are working for Omicron infection. But good luck finding them.
Many thanks for this update. Very interesting to hear your update, from US, I am in the UK. Please can I have CME verification for records?
We need to follow the UK hospitalization and mortality data extremely closely as we are roughly 3-4 weeks behind them. If (fingers crossed ) the data show a truly marked reduction of say 60-70 or more percent in hospitalization then despite increased transmission we may avoid overtaxing the healthcare system and hopefully move into an endemic situation where every season those most at risk need a booster just like annual flu vaccine. That would be the best Christmas present yet.
The problem with that data is the UK report daily hospitalisation and death data for Covid based on anyone testing positive for the virus (deaths for any reason within 28 days of a postive test). So, as in South Africa, if Omicron is circulating very widely as mild disease, hospitalisations with a positive test, even if not ill, and admitted for something unrelated (remembering we are now entering peak hospital admission season), will be included in the Covid figures. The only data that will make sense will be total hospital admissions, numbers in hospital, and excess deaths. These data sets will not be published daily.
@@originalkk882 So the data can be manipulate to make it seem worse than it is. Your right, I had heard of that even here in the states, people dying from totally non Covid reason but were incidentally positive just because all admissions are tested and were being included in total deaths due to Covid. Makes one wonder worldwide what the TRUE number of deaths really due to Covid is !
I am unvaxxed but recovered with natural immunity. This term “super immunity” is ridiculous. Either you have immunity or you do not. That’s like saying “super pregnant”. We all have immunity against the flu - taking a flu shot is not necessary unless you’re vulnerable. I’m 37 and healthy. Part of the reason South Africa is doing well is because they are younger & have high natural immunity in the community. How funny that it is NOT vaccine that ended the pandemic instead a less virulent variant. No one wants to take endless boosters, Mother Nature came through and gave us Omicron.
This is an excellent resource for both medical professionals and the general public alike. Thanks for providing this.
The entire series has been informative during the entire pandemic-highly recommended.
Can they ramp up testing to distinguish between variants in the ER's?
What a great informative in real time, accurate resource with the best of the best experts! I look forward to learning more when your series resumes on January 6th! Thank You for always working so hard!
Thank you. Love the discussion always
HK did a study on viral replication ex vivo in airway vs lung tissue. 70x greater replication in airways, 10x less replication in lung tissue. This is a way it could cause less severe disease. I'm surprised they said there was no science regarding it.
Do you have a link to that study?
I liked that Dr Been just did an overview of the HK study.
I'm sure it can cause severe disease in the metabolically challenged and immune deficient people unfortunately So its a story of viral fitness vs human fitness.
It was an "ex vivo" study so many cannot give it a lot of credence just as they don't "in vitro" studies
@@bchollis1451 they give credence to anything that fits the mainstream narrative as determined by the pharma mafia. Anything they can't agree with publicly is disregarded or better yet slandered as misinformation.
Wow! This was very valuable both to help understand and to plan for the near term future.
If poorly ventilated indoor Winter venues like OSLO are such a factor, when will the discussion turn to indoor air purification? Installing UVs inside vents or pointed towards ceilings in public spaces could vastly reduce the "Winter factor".
Great idea!!
If you and I are are unmasked, you are infectious, and you laugh right in my face in a crowded party, I don't see how mega-ventilation is gonna save me.
I am a U. S. citizen who lives in Mexico along with 700,000 U.S expats who still pay taxes in the U. S. and vote. Our situation may be different. We have different vacinnations, and a very mild flu season. Most of our lives are spent outdoors. Could you please address our situation as it is different from people living the contiguous U.S. but who are still citzens.
this was FANTASTIC. Thank you so much!
I really enjoyed this! Thankyou all.
Excellent presentation and discussion. Really good information, thank you.
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Is there any way to measure omicron’s ability to protect against delta? It would be nice to know if we are headed for a comfortable endemic level of COVID.
Sincerely appreciate your videos to share the most recent observations and clinical literature along with real world experience. The worst thing our politicians have done is to politicize the scientific evidence and public health policy. God help us all with Covid19 virus. Pray for all who work daily to eliminate this virus!
In what universe are rapid tests readily available?
That aside, I really loved this discussion. Thank you!
Just bought a bunch online. Not free. Test at home based on the above guidelines.
Am I ever going to be able to go back to Interlaken?
I'm having Swissdrawals.
Extremely informative. Thanks so much.
Why do they assume misinformation is the only reason to not get vaccinated. What about the studies of myocarditis and pericarditis from the mRNA vaccines. especially in young men
the whole show is biased ... 'Get whatever mrna vaccin you can !" right ...
I am open to receiving a protein based vaccine, but I medically cannot accept any of the current vaccines due to the cytotoxic T-cells in the spike protein. I work in waste at a hospital, and over a year ago, a certificate from my doctor under advice from my urologist prohibits me from handling cytotoxic waste bins, so I cannot allow cytotoxins from these available vaccines into my body.
Aussie Lin this is the greatest respondent have heard so far..lol!!
Can someone answer this question, I live in Quebec Canada, I have 2 aztrazenica vaccines. At the time aztrazenica was not excepted in the US I was planning to go to the states so I recieved a Pfyser and 30 days later a second Pfyser dose. So am I protected?
So you have had 4 shots ? ? Joanne ..if you dont take Vitamin D and Zinc start straight away , if your immune stystem is healthy you will be better protected x
4 shots in what about 10 months???? ( hint- most new variant infections in the US ,78% are in double and triple vaccinated as it is the same in every other country ). If you don't see what's wrong with this picture then you have lost all critical thinking skills.
J'écouterais pas ces commentaires là si j'étais toi. D'un autre côté, ça dépend pourquoi tu voudrais aller aux US, si j'étais toi je m'abstiendrais à moins d'avoir une ben bonne raison d'y aller. Protégée ou pas.
Thank you!
Any comments regarding rate of immunization in South Africa, and at risk population in South Africa..
Yes, good question. 20% of SA population has HIV. How does that affect case count?
Omicron is mild like the common cold. Live ur life freely everyone
You need to be discussing ASPIRATIONS during vaccine administering. Many people are getting sick because the jab entered the bloodstream and not the muscle.
Really informative for a non medical person in Melbourne Australia, thank you
Omicron will be mild in South Africa because a large proportion of the people had the origin strain as well as the beta version so very high natural immunity and they have not had much vaccinated
Data shown out of the UK already shows same mild symptoms. Only added symptom was body aches.
Oh I thought the narrative was that prior infection doesn't provide much protection.
Bunch of bs just to take over the world oh you may get a bit sic and chances of dying are almost 0..
It is all because their lies are coming out Go to odysee or big chute and type in you can't catch a virus..
Great coverage.
Japan has been flat line in cases for weeks because they're prophylaxing Ivermectin but no doctor here seems to be aware!
Well, the media is hiding it. NHK World News mentions "oral medications" being sent to people, but that's the extent of it.
Excellent discussion. I’m not convinced Omicron is milder in the senior population. I’m 67 and while fully vaccinated/boosted I also have an autoimmune disease. I am again trying to stay home.
Me too.
A virus is a dead thing and can not be caught..
Go to big chute and type in you can't catch a virus..
Please stay safe!
@@kw7807 Thank you - you as well!
Most excellent 💗
As a layperson, I use all three metrics, case rates, hospitalizations and deaths, to assess my risk.
Hospitalisations are often a misleading indicator due to incidental admissions. O2 requirements, ventilations and deaths are better.
I’m shocked that not even ONE of you guys mentioned the importance of Vitamins D3, K2. Zinc etc.. Surely doctors worth their salt would be pressing forward with this information?!!
These are not doctors. They sell vaccines and booster shots.
This has been terrific! Thank you all!
What is your prescribe reccomendations for fully vaccinated 6 monthd below who are not yet capable of having boostrr shot.
Mask up, my friend. Everywhere.
And how quickly will resistance to Paxlovid anti-viral arise. Maybe given limited availability for quite a while not an issue for a while.
whats emroy U?
So 111 people in Oslo at the restaurant fell ill with sarscov2, severe acute respiratory syndrome? Or they just didn't have the severe or acute part?
Reports here in Oslo say no one has been hospitalised from that party.
@@glenng725, good idea about the contract tracing in Europe, a good opportunity to view the 111 people in Oslo for 2 weeks voluntarily , sars does not occur until after 2 weeks givin adjuvant and viral load, important to isolate from 5th to 8th day or 9th day maybe longer, because sars is a syndrome this is clearing of debris or recovering and rebuilding, cormobilites extends in the cleanup , exposure incubation time mitosis inoculum all have a part in severity
I am not a doctor, I live in sunny and laid-back Spain and I also haven't set foot in a restaurant or bar since february 2020. For Christmas, we are going to meet all the family. We are all double vaccinated, my mother had the 3rd Moderna dose and we'll be all taking antigen tests and using a HEPA filter in the room.
Thank God for the filter right? Good luck with that.
HEPA filters cost $1000 , and are used in mycology . What is antigen test? What’s the link to buy HEPA filter?
Are variants fighting each other for a place in the test tube seems the strong ones just move on and go away
Good luck with that.
This is amazing, I love that this information is shared for the public. Thank you for sharing, super interesting for a laymen. I wish the talking heads would watch and listen to these experts.
I had the J&J in early April and got the Moderna booster (half dose) November 5. What I heard here suggested that it would be better to disregard the J&J and start over and get 2 mRNA vaccines. What does that mean in my case? Should I get a full dose Moderna or another booster half dose and how long after booster? Or should I get the BioNtech/Pfizer?
same question for me, but I find no data from the JJ and one booster
@@daniellevounckx5489 same situation. i had the JJ in march and a pfizer booster in October. Do I need to get a 2nd pfizer?
....You could alway rely on your god given immune system that has protected humans for thousands of years...Get covid/recover/now your immune/simple...
India went down fast because they figured out how to treat the disease early.
Where are all the new hospitals being built? There are plenty of vacated properties now. Not really of that much interest, is it?
Anyone can explain me how you distinguish the benefit from immune escape from the best capacity of transmission gives by the evolution on the increase of cases? To better explain: the incredibile growth of case is gived by the better transmissibility of the virus itself or because the virus can freely circulate through vaccinated people that are not taking other precautions?
I am looking into Denmark datas that actually are the better ones in the world and you can notice a big drop of infection in no vax between others variants and Omicron, from 23% to 9%. Why is this? If the variant is more transmissible should not also been in no vax? Thank you
Thank you for mentioning that, Alberto Perin. I'm skeptical regarding the opinion-informing basis given, including the 3 weeks timeline to visible results in data from Omicron. Toronto has about 4 million population and 4 people in ICU, there was a reduction this week of about 30% in hospitalization and ICU care.
Why is no-one gathering and analyzing the contextual data? You only have to run pearson correlation coefficient and other simple statistical analyses, using WHO/government issued population, OECD/Country and demographic data, to see what , in practice, is working and what's (clearly) not. The level of scientific ineptitude, within the global health and political leadership, is astounding.
Has anyone look at transmission at the football games and area as Disney World
There are very few "trusted messengers" because the vaccines are not in the hands of doctors offices so those conversations mostly aren't happening in the doctor's offices or relationships. Can we get vaccines in doctors offices?? That would increase the vaccine rate.
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BUT wait: weren't the people in Norway tested the day of the get together and all vaccinated yet they ended with a super spreader event..... Vaccinated or not, previous Delta infection and recuperated, you can still get and spread Omicron. I hope there is a follow up and we hear how these meetings went.
Thanks so much. Some of the doctors’ audio wasn’t very good. Please remind everyone to speak up, and into their microphones.
Once again, you guys set a very high bar for quality of scientific content. Is there any way to get copy of Carlos' slides? I'm a molecular biologist who tracks the science daily, and would welcome access to the slides. Cheers and thanks.
When they interviewed South Africans, asking why they weren’t vaccinated, the always said “it causes COVID disease”, or something very similar, like “it gives you a lot of diseases”. It’s very sad, an accurate message just isn’t getting across.
Actually data shows different. Most are not vaccinated because there isn't any vaccine available to get. The world has forgotten Africa🥺
The primary reason why people come up with these conspiracy theories is because they don't trust the government and media. They have good reason not to trust them as they are prolific liars.
@@TheJoyQueenForever Vaccine is available in country, but getting it into arms is difficult, due to logistic problems, cost and reluctance.
How do you get severe and acute and not get hospitalized?
@Jessica Rain City , there's 2 different ways to answer that Q Jessica, I was just meaning it can't be called sarscov2 if if doesn't cause severe acute respiratory damage, you can't get the syndrome without disease there's no disease for mild illness. Clearing virus in nasal passage and not destroying tissue or virus not migrating into lungs is not disease it's the precursor to disease and possibly infection, yes viruses do infect cells and it doesn't mean the virus is actively replicating or producing receptors or offspring emitted from a cell
@Liutauras Valancius WHT are you saying?
Most anyone considered recovered from mild or moderate or asymptomatic does not have sarscov2 or did have, they were exposed to CV19 or cov2, whether it's innate or adaptive with symptoms is a response a reaction is preparation for possible infection like goose bumps , considering asymptomatic spread as a weak variance causing asymptomatic infections only symptoms means innate response from memory
Each cell has a gland or an opening whether it's with perforeins or having a mouth
They all look like they're lying.....you can see it in their eyes!
I’m a middle school teacher. Kids are crowded again in classrooms, hallways and lunchrooms. Being middle school students, you would be amazed at how much they touch each other, arms around each other, playing around, etc. What would you tell local school boards?
If you are freaked out by the children's behavior, get out of the profession.
Pray 🙏
he said 2-3 times more contagious than delta. others are saying up to 40x . saying it is as contagious as Measles. nobody seems to have a clue.
The symptoms and treatments are markedly different, and the current vaccines do not appear to work well any longer. Should we rename Omicron to be SARS-Co-V-3 or Covid-21?
The normal booster in the UK is mRNA after the adenovirus vaccines. But the video says this is not the case in America.
Yes but you guys have the best near instant access to therapeutics & good hospital care so what you decide in your personal life doesn't apply well to typical others
How can a J&J vaccinated person request a 3d Pfizer or Moderna shot? Pharmacies are librarian strict with the 6 motnh TO THE DAY for the 3d booster and not allowing the 3d shot for J&J until u get a CDC approval on this.
In other countries I think they send people kits of drugs to be ready if/when they catch covid. We should do that here in the usa, a kit with the drugs and a home testing kit or two. I am high risk and still haven't been able to even get a home test kit.
I'M SPREADING THE WORD, PLZ STAY HOME UNLESS YOU HAVE TO GO OUT FOR ESSENTIALS COVID KILLED MY FRIEND AND SHE WAS VACCINATED HAD HER MEMORIAL YESTERDAY VERY SAD :(
I'm sorry for your loss. But isolating is also a death sentence. We will all eventually get Covid. The isolation of young people will kill them in so many ways, drug overdoses, suicide....
What I've learned is there's an over reaction and there is something sinister going on in this world.
What I learned is trust medical establishment and stop believing in ourselves . Just trust the pros and follow health protocols. People need to stop being involved intellectually with this virus and just do what the experts recommend !
What I've learned is humans don't adapt as well to change as they think they do, there is a real mental illness crisis in this world and average people are paranoid and terrified of smart people. You don't have to understand molecular biology to save yourself or your family as nature gave us brilliant scientists who have already understood that for you. Can you build your own car? From scratch? Do you understand how everything in your car works? Yet you likely drive one and don't fear the "powers that be" that invented them or manufactured them, and if you are suspicious of their decisions in manufacturing it doesn't stop any of you who drive from driving. Maybe you have to drive to take care of your loved ones. This is very similar. Get vaccinated to take care of your loved ones. I did. Moderna. It's fine.
@@IceDogXena No ! you must help yourself by taking Vit D & Zinc and go find out how many patients dies as a result of mis use of the ventilators and vaxxing without aspirating ! Always get a 2nd or 3rd opinion !
Well done , do what you are told and when you are told !
@@feedermonkey7233 Nature also gives us, common sense, natural immunity, and an ability to know when we're being bamboozled by these "experts" who are the main ones profiting from the lies they tell!
I'm wondering how is calculated protection after boosting, when the "real world data" were discussed? Is it not just the fact that much less population is boosted? In that case the numbers will go up together with % of boosted. If so, I'm not sure boosting with vaccines, which has provided weak protection after initial doses, will not do any good...
It's known from the data that vaccine efficacy wanes over time and that boosting can bring the efficacy close to the level of protection at 28 days after the second dose, sometimes slightly more and sometimes slightly less. The "real world data" on this has been collected by several countries by sampling methods which resemble clinical studies. This was known prior to the emergence of Omicron. Recent data from the UK and Denmark is showing the need for raising levels of immunity. The chief medical officer of the UK Health Security Agency stated yesterday that absolute data that will give some fairly conclusive results won't be available until after 27th December 2021 when there are sufficient cases of hospital admissions to look at a range of specific medical information from actual cases. The UKHSA also has an interest in giving advice on the resilience of healthcare services to the UK government. Levels of alert have been raised in readiness from the available data. Some of the preparations being made in the UK are unprecedented, and this includes making boosters available to everyone at a rate of one million per day.
@@globetwig4401 You know, I'm still a bit sceptical. From the time, when I started to learn medicine in seventies of previous century, my attitude evolved from the passive learning to questioning and seeking for evidence. The longer I questioned every dogma I learned about diseases and their treatment, the more obvious was that it is stupid to believe the science just because something is published in a book, told by some expert, or passed down by your mentor. Many dogmas, like "main culprit in heart disease is cholesterol", "balance between calories in/calories burned is most important, if you stick to generally accepted food piramide", "autoimmune diseases are incurable and if you have one, you should learn how to live with it for your whole life", et cetera turned to be wrong. Ideas about some drugs underwent interesting transformations. For example, when I just learned the pharmacy, I was teached that beta blockers are indicated in patients with cardiac insufficiency. Later, when I studied cardiology, beta blockers were absolutely forbidden for the mentioned situation, but a decade later this group of drugs was re-introduced again for the same patients. Why I told this? Just to show that what today is indisputable true, tomorrow might be viewed as fallacy. Actually, nobody knows enough to make evidence based statements concerning the possible necessity and efficacy of boosters for omicron now.
@@janissquirell5072 Logical reasoning from the available data shows that they will probably mitigate against collapsing health services. For many people who've had the first two shots more than 5 months ago we know that efficacy will be improved in most cases. This isn't a debate about recommendations for other pharmaceuticals which are often overused and poorly prescribed. Different issue. Indisputable truths and fallacies are consigned to logical reasoning and not science. Anyone with any understanding of scientific methodology should have some basic awareness of epistemology as scientific paradigms change by their very nature. What we do know is:
"People who were relying on the vaccine to help prevent moderate to severe illness should use a booster vaccination if they are more than 5 months from the second dose if they want to maintain close to the same level of protection that they had, unless they are certain that their antibody count and/or t-cell count has subsequently been boosted to the same level by natural infection. If these conditions are satisfied then a third booster shot would offer more protection from both Delta and Omicron variants than otherwise would be the case."
I don't think that this contains a fallacy.
I do agree with you about the inflammation issue though - it can often be better managed or even cured without the use of allopathic pharmaceutical products.
@@globetwig4401 Isn't "efficacy" the measure derived from controlled trials and "effectiveness" the real world measure?
@@globetwig4401 "Indisputable truths and fallacies are consigned to logical reasoning and not science."
Isn't this Medicine? Medicine is not a science - as evidenced by switching placebo groups over to vaccinated once benefit was seen, ending any pretense of it being science.
Further, a scientific investigation would have tested trial subjects for new infection after vaccination and wait period to find out efficacy in protection from infection (you know, "to stop the spread") , not just protection from serious disease or death.
They couldn't sample test for newly acquired infection after vaccination?
Science?
If eating outdoors if you are physically in close proximity to someone with covid ---you can absolutely get it!
The science out of HK says it replicates in the bronchi rather than the lungs. Things like mouthwash and nasal rise should help take down the viral load.
I have had two J&J shots. Should I now get a single Pfizer or Moderna booster or should it be two shots, and will I be able to get it since I already had the J&J? I should also mention that 4 months after my first vax, I tested positive for Covid with very mild symptoms. There was a study that found vaccinated people with breakthrough cases then had "super immunity".
I just heard this ont he news this morning, so I don't know if it is accurate, but they said they are now recommending J & J people get a booster of Moderna or Pfizer. check the information out with your pharmacy to be sure it is accurate.
Vaccines and vaccinated people are the reasons for the mutation or variants…resistance(vaccines) forces these viruses to mutate not just the spreading alone but these folks won’t mention that
These clowns are mouthpiece of the pharmaceutical companies…they are puppet doctors
Spo we are concerned about long term less severe Covid but we aren’t concerned about the long term effects of the vax?
Morning
Omicron is the 4th booster which hopefully has very high protection against all variants.
omicron is the end of the pandemic i am pretty convinced…
Are you serious. Give me a break. Is is the name if this new variant rooted in Latin it Greek. Alpha? Delta?. The variant has no serious health affects yet is more contagious. When will this end. More bs from the academics.
Forget about all the deaths from heart disease and cancer.
@@buffhotchkiss7400 Forget about that idea you just presented
Why did this appear when I typed "Based department"
DO NOT eat at an indoor restaurant.
Relax
@@kmeades346 Check back in in 3 weeks ;p
@@paulthomas2203 It's been over a month since the start of South Africa's Omicron wave and head of their medical association says Omicron is broadly mild and that the UK is being whooped up into a state of hysteria which is exactly what the media specialises in.
Why aren't nursing home residents all boosted? The recommendation was there weeks ago.
Think about it. Think really, really hard.
I would expect a better scientific assessment of the risk factors related to omicron for individuals and the health system. As data revealed in the first presentation, a person that is both vaccinated and had the virus has high immunity. Would vaccination+omicron have the same results? Also, I don't see a good scientific evaluation of why do we expect an increase in hospitalizations with omicron, despite the data prove the opposite.
I believe I heard a dr on another channel say that there is not enough info yet on omicron and the info we have so far is from south Africa where there are population differences (age group stats, diseases in population, etc). Since they have different stats and theirs was almost all Omicron, the USA is facing this with Delta resurging, flu season upon us and different health issues in an older population. There is also a second version of Omicron circulating some are calling stealth Omicron and there is little known about it. It isn't picked up on reg covid19 screening test.
Nice video
South Africa has better medical treatment than America
not alot learnt by the looks of it, ah well always next time to start improving
I find these doctors terrifying, not one of them mentioned how to all boost our immune systems naturally. These sound like salesmen to me
Now, now Tattoo! Tattoo pain sounds "terrifying", lol. This lecture has a lot of important information, vitamin therapy has been in all the talking head podcasts redundantly. All we can do is the best that we can do, in preventing the transfer of germs to others. #LearnToLiveAgain Wash hands frequently with hot soapy lathering, gargle deeply, hydrate with warmed tea (lemon and local honey, yum!), isolate anyone symptomatic increasing Vitamin C supplementation (sick people who go out for necessary treatment wear the mask, and distance 8 or more feet...early treatment for obese, elderly, and the immunocompromised). Practice mindful transcendental meditation, square breathing techniques are calming, circadian rhythm sleep/wake cycles intact as possible. Aim for intake to reflect calories burned. All we can do is "pay attention" respectfully . Hope this helps you, joyfully sent Janie
How many hundreds of thousands of patients died because they could not get REM as an outpatient because doctors were not brave or smart enough to order it?? Sad.
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rapid tests are are not available to the general population right now
Two years since the pandemic we have learn nothing. Still booster shots from ineffective vaccines is our only hope.
ivermectin? zinc? Hydroxy Q? no mention? Paul is afraid of diners, but not afraid of damage to heart capillaries from mrna spike protein synthesis? No comment?