@@queenxx1690 you forget, Jaehaerys told him it was time to leave he didn't go on his own. Whether he wanted to or not is not really known only that he may have smiled at the idea. No doubt he learned some humility in the process which is what the second batch of kids sorely lacked.
Chris, can you just **imagine** what Westeros could have been like if more of Jaehaerys's children were given Dragons? Imagine Daenaerys survived the Shivers; she could have married Aemon. Imagine Daella given an egg in her cradle, bonding with one from birth, and not being so afraid. Imagine Vaegon leaving King's Landing as soon as his Dragon could carry him. Saera. With a Dragon.
I think the decision to not make every Targaryen become a dragon rider was a wise one. Especially when you look at how king Viserys' free reign policy went just a generation later.
Thanks! The art actually comes from Riotarttherite, Paparinka Art, Magali Villeneuve, and Fkaluis. You should check them out! Links in the description.
I love you Targaryen Kings series and would love to see you do more videos on different events that happen throughout the ASOIAF history as well as more video on characters. Big fan keep up the excellent work!!!
Imagine show with all Alysanne and Jaehaerys kids how would they manage to fit them all into story when they struggle with Dance with dragons characters introduction they would need 20 episodes to introduce all properly
not dance era period but i always wonder what happened to all the different targaryen lines that survived the spring sickness too :o another great video, chris !!!
Vaegon could definitely show up. Saera, less likely so. Though with Laenor faking his death, Saera might be the person he'd go to for a couch to crash on. Alternately, we could see Seara's sons (or daughters) as background or minor characters - perhaps associates of Daemons?
Why would Laenor seek out Saera? She fled Westeros decades before Laenor was even born, Rhaenys herself was only 11 when Saera dipped. Laenor has no connection or relationship with her whatsoever, he never knew her and they're not that closely related.
15:37 The changes that the series has made to the timelines have meant that the second season is set in the year 132 a.C., so Vaegon would be 69 yo and Saera would be 65 yo. 15:36 TEN YEAAARS!!! 👁️👄👁️
Spoiler Warning: My theory is that Nettles the dragon seed who claims the dragon sheepstealer was fathered by one of Saeras sons? Nettles parentage is sort of unknown?
I have a pet theory that Lysandro and Drazenko Rogare are 2 of her sons from her time in Lys and that Lysandro may've been 1 of the 3 who made a claim to the Throne at the Great Council.
I don't think we'll see either of these Targaryens in HOD. However, Varys' origin story in Lys, shaved head, and violet eyes in the book has always made me wonder if Saera is his ancestor (grandma or great grandma).
This is the video I was waiting for there are tons of them even in dany times there has to be lots of targ descendants thriving. House Baratheon is a targ family
13 kids… and like 4 grandkids? 2 of which married each other (Viserys and Aemma) and how we got Rhaenyra. One (Daemon) who then married Rhaenyra, as well as the only living offspring of the 4th (Rhaenys though Laena). Besides Saera’s illegitimate kids.
Saera’s been out there getting packed by peasants and Dothraki by choice lmao…the shame that single character brought onto the last Valyrian Dragonriding bloodline in the world is honestly ridiculous. This may be an unpopular opinion (idk) but I was 100% on Jaehaerys’ side the entire time when it came to Saera, a Valyrian princess acting like an actual back alley prosty in her fathers (the literal King) own castle.
Imagine siding with Jaehaerys when Saera turning out that way was in no small part to his completely hands off parenting and letting her get away with anything she wanted her entire life. Like imagine slut shaming and piling condemnation onto a teenage girl who literally was raised to have zero regard for rules or behaviour because her parents never once enforced any rules on her until it suddenly looked bad on them (but all the years when it was a problem for others it was totally fine).
@@jazzycat8917 Imagine siding with a little princess who’s polishing the pole of every knight who shows her attention and getting a train run on her…Jaehaerys was even willing to forgive her and she tried to sneak out to the Dragonpit at night to claim a dragon so she could keep on doing it even after she was caught, while her father was putting himself in mortal danger to defend her non existent honour. Just look at all his other children, how she turned out was not his fault. She knew what she was doing was wrong the entire time and even forced her little friends into doing it with her…Saera was a spoiled little Targaryen Cersei Lannister and she was for the Flea Bottom streets.
Or maybe it was because of her mother's lenience on her punishments stop looking at the father a the sole problem many factors are included when dealing with Seara@@jazzycat8917
Both parties were kinda in the wrong. Saera should’ve been on thot time but Jaehaerys could’ve made more time for her. She was just a classic mommy and daddy issues type case
Minor correction: Viserys did not let Laenor claim a dragon. Laenor already claimed Sea Smoke years before the council of 101, where he had as good a claim to succeed Jaehaerys as Viserys did
@@raemonmedina7870 Gotta give Septon Barth his due credit, lots of shit Jaeherys accomplished during his reign his low-born hand of the king was a big part of.
That's because he should've been a better father, especially to his daughters. Part of his failure was because of the culture he lived in (I mean, the double-standard of slutshaming Saera when Daemon and Viserys f*cked their way through flea bottom, for example), but still!
Probably some of the dragon seeds were Saera's grandsons (Hugh Hammer and/or Ulf the White). At least i like to think they are. Cause otherwise it would mean Jaehaerys, Aenys or Viserys (or Aemon and Baelon) were unfaithful and that seems unlikely due to their love and devotion to their wifes.
In what part? The opening collage? That was only Targaryens, and Aemma is an Arryn. A queen’s last name doesn’t change when she marries the king; you have to be born into the royal family to bear the royal name. Just like Cersei is still Cersei Lannister, not Cersei Baratheon.
From the recent episode ,I think saera is the one getting explained by hugh hammer as his mother. Since his mother is a targaryen who left the kingdom and went to become a prostitute 😕
There must be many more Targaryen bastards still around during the GOT era, Jon Snow seems to be the only one left from the royal line, but what about Aemond's descendants by his son with Alys Rivers, I mean that story was written for a reason. Well, If the spin-offs are successful, I bet we'll get more shows about surviving dragon riders, not necessarily Targaryens and other dragons besides Drogon roaming the skies for decades to come, GRRMs universe is so vast after all.
I don't see the issue. He's connected to Laena on the left and Rhaenyra in the middle. He married and had children with both. On the level above, further to the right, he's connected to Rhea Royce.
Actually i don't think jeaharys so much as limited how many of his kids had dragons but more like most of his kids didn't want one , most of old Jay's kids were girly girls who hated violence and were varu timid snd submissive for the most part which isn't the recipe for dragon riders plus most of his kids died young so theres also that , all of visarys extended family had dragons but of infighting and for legitimaticy purposes so i don't think there really comparable.
Vaegon was very much voluntarily celibate. When it was said the ladies of the court would be flitting around Vaegon like butterflies, Good Queen Alysanne herself said Vaegon would be more likely to squash the butterflies with a book.
You understand that 'incel' is short for 'involuntarily celibate' and Vaegon was the exact opposite of that. They even joked in the book that he MIGHT be interested in a woman if she was in book form (or something close to that). He was NOT an incel. Jaehaerys WAS misogynistic along with 99% of the lords though, so that part is definitely true.
vaegon definitely could get some but didn’t want to, and he didn’t entertain incest like the rest of his family so that’s a good thing lol. he was probably asexual, gay (maybe) or simply liked books more than people (like some genius such as newton did). he was a voluntary celibate, not an incel.
Vaegon and Saera the only two Targs that lived happy long lives because they opted out of their family business
Rhaella Targaryen, daughter of Rhaenys and sister to Aerea also lived in Oldtown.
Septa Maegelle also lived a happy life that would have been long if she didn't die of sickness while serving the people
@@MaesterGreendidn't she end up running a house of ill repute?
@@MaesterGreen you mean daughter of Rhaena
@@KyloRenRadiono she was helping sick people during an outbreak of grayscale in oldtown and contracted it and died
Vaegon🤣 is such a mood he said fuck royalty status and tradition I'm out to my only love ,books.
what a sigma male aint it right
Oh how I do relate...
I love the idea of being too antisocial to be a Maester in service so you go straight for archmaester
@@queenxx1690 you forget, Jaehaerys told him it was time to leave he didn't go on his own. Whether he wanted to or not is not really known only that he may have smiled at the idea. No doubt he learned some humility in the process which is what the second batch of kids sorely lacked.
"Yes, father. Good." I love that response so much. I hope we see Vaegon in the show or in some capacity just so he can talk shit about his relatives.
I wish we would’ve seen him in the opening scene at the Great Council because he was there it was his idea
I am such a secret Targaryon that none of my ancestors ever met one.
Oh same😊
Off Topic but I love how you take every given chance to roast Viserys
If Viserys has no haters, I am dead
@@CrusaderChristbf tho Viserys just kept Old Joe’s habits but added his Vizzy T twist to it😂
Chris, can you just **imagine** what Westeros could have been like if more of Jaehaerys's children were given Dragons?
Imagine Daenaerys survived the Shivers; she could have married Aemon.
Imagine Daella given an egg in her cradle, bonding with one from birth, and not being so afraid.
Imagine Vaegon leaving King's Landing as soon as his Dragon could carry him.
Saera. With a Dragon.
Would be a blessed timeline. As I always say, the more dragon dictators the better!
I think the decision to not make every Targaryen become a dragon rider was a wise one. Especially when you look at how king Viserys' free reign policy went just a generation later.
@@emilieg4336 well.. Viserys ain't Jaeherys. It would still be a problem but It wouldn't be as bad as in Viserys' reign
I do really wish that Daenaerys had a dragon to help her through the shivers, that story always makes me so sad.
Thank you for making their eyes purple. IDK why HBO made it seem like it would have been so friggin difficult
fr i subbed for this reason so cool
Yeah can’t they just vfx purple eyes on the characters. I’ve seen different eye colours in Wuxia dramas that look convincing enough.
It’s funny how HBO is like “oh it’s too hard” but Crusader and Glidus-Glorbo do it all the time with ease
I wore violet contacts for years back in the 90s just to be different. They weren't uncomfortable.
They should rename the Seven the Eight because Vaegon is the god of roasting ☠
I loved all the cut out Amok portraits put on other characters in footage from the shows, had me dying
Thanks! The art actually comes from Riotarttherite, Paparinka Art, Magali Villeneuve, and Fkaluis. You should check them out! Links in the description.
I love you Targaryen Kings series and would love to see you do more videos on different events that happen throughout the ASOIAF history as well as more video on characters. Big fan keep up the excellent work!!!
I always like your Detailed videos on side characters, especially when you add your own humor into it 4:19 🤣
I loved that part at 12:48 great video
I love your editing style. By the gods, I laugh every time. You just get it every time Hahahah
Vaegon is ASOIAF young Sheldon
I think it would be really interesting to loop Vaegon into HOTD as a mentor to Daeron since they are both the black sheep of the family.
Imagine show with all Alysanne and Jaehaerys kids how would they manage to fit them all into story when they struggle with Dance with dragons characters introduction they would need 20 episodes to introduce all properly
Anthology series, where each episode tells the story of a different child, ending with the Harrenhal council
I’m for it
*Poor Viserys lol. He will never live down his failures as long as Crusader Chris is on the job* 😅
not dance era period but i always wonder what happened to all the different targaryen lines that survived the spring sickness too :o another great video, chris !!!
I hope baby Maegor is out thriving somewhere 😔 Thanks Luis!!
Vaegon could definitely show up. Saera, less likely so. Though with Laenor faking his death, Saera might be the person he'd go to for a couch to crash on. Alternately, we could see Seara's sons (or daughters) as background or minor characters - perhaps associates of Daemons?
Why would Laenor seek out Saera? She fled Westeros decades before Laenor was even born, Rhaenys herself was only 11 when Saera dipped. Laenor has no connection or relationship with her whatsoever, he never knew her and they're not that closely related.
@@jazzycat8917saera is dead… ended up in a whorehouse in fleabottom where she died
You called it! We met her son, Hugh!
Great Video I really enjoy your channel
Thank you!
@@CrusaderChris you’re very welcome
I’m so excited for Season 2 I’m practically bursting and it’s driving my family nuts lol 😝
Bro I'm gonna rewatch evey video of yours. Loved the way u narrated..😅😂
As a Vaegon fan i am pleased.
Damn! This is more interesting than HotD. There are so many endless possibilities for series about the bastards of Westeros.
Someone who saw episode one said Daeron was mentioned and in a way that makes it seem like he is showing up soon
15:37 The changes that the series has made to the timelines have meant that the second season is set in the year 132 a.C., so Vaegon would be 69 yo and Saera would be 65 yo.
15:36 TEN YEAAARS!!! 👁️👄👁️
Vaegon and Saera!!! Omg I haven't heard those names in a minute....
I wonder if Vaegon had any bastards
Sounds like he is asexual tho.
"she always was"😂
Could you do a video on Rhaena Targaryen? (Queen in the West)
I wish they would have at least MENTIONED Daeron in season 1. He’s going to come out of the blue for people who have never read the books
I've always wanted to know what happened to all of Saera's line.
Spoiler Warning: My theory is that Nettles the dragon seed who claims the dragon sheepstealer was fathered by one of Saeras sons? Nettles parentage is sort of unknown?
I have a pet theory that Lysandro and Drazenko Rogare are 2 of her sons from her time in Lys and that Lysandro may've been 1 of the 3 who made a claim to the Throne at the Great Council.
I don't think we'll see either of these Targaryens in HOD. However, Varys' origin story in Lys, shaved head, and violet eyes in the book has always made me wonder if Saera is his ancestor (grandma or great grandma).
I’d love to which dragon Seara tried to steal, because it would have to be one of flying size, so my theory is that she tried to bond with Balerion
This is the video I was waiting for there are tons of them even in dany times there has to be lots of targ descendants thriving. House Baratheon is a targ family
8:32 Saera Targaryen mentioned!!! 🙌🏼😩🙆🏻♀️❤️
12:48 I spat my drink; I hope you're happy!
Saera Targaryen. The Dragon Princess with the most number of Baby Daddies.
11:18 Imagine bringing up Maegor at that point. Utter insanity
The zoom in on Daemon 😅
I very much doubt they'll even be mentioned, but it'd be a pleasant surprise if they were!
What about Daeron the Daring? I'm not hearing his hame anywhere in here.
I talk about Daeron starting at 7:16
@@CrusaderChris Cool! It was a Frank Sobotka joke.
13 kids… and like 4 grandkids? 2 of which married each other (Viserys and Aemma) and how we got Rhaenyra. One (Daemon) who then married Rhaenyra, as well as the only living offspring of the 4th (Rhaenys though Laena). Besides Saera’s illegitimate kids.
Saera’s been out there getting packed by peasants and Dothraki by choice lmao…the shame that single character brought onto the last Valyrian Dragonriding bloodline in the world is honestly ridiculous.
This may be an unpopular opinion (idk) but I was 100% on Jaehaerys’ side the entire time when it came to Saera, a Valyrian princess acting like an actual back alley prosty in her fathers (the literal King) own castle.
Imagine siding with Jaehaerys when Saera turning out that way was in no small part to his completely hands off parenting and letting her get away with anything she wanted her entire life. Like imagine slut shaming and piling condemnation onto a teenage girl who literally was raised to have zero regard for rules or behaviour because her parents never once enforced any rules on her until it suddenly looked bad on them (but all the years when it was a problem for others it was totally fine).
@@jazzycat8917 Imagine siding with a little princess who’s polishing the pole of every knight who shows her attention and getting a train run on her…Jaehaerys was even willing to forgive her and she tried to sneak out to the Dragonpit at night to claim a dragon so she could keep on doing it even after she was caught, while her father was putting himself in mortal danger to defend her non existent honour.
Just look at all his other children, how she turned out was not his fault. She knew what she was doing was wrong the entire time and even forced her little friends into doing it with her…Saera was a spoiled little Targaryen Cersei Lannister and she was for the Flea Bottom streets.
i'm with saera. targaryens should be shamed
Or maybe it was because of her mother's lenience on her punishments stop looking at the father a the sole problem many factors are included when dealing with Seara@@jazzycat8917
Both parties were kinda in the wrong. Saera should’ve been on thot time but Jaehaerys could’ve made more time for her. She was just a classic mommy and daddy issues type case
No one ever talks about Rhaelle
Minor correction: Viserys did not let Laenor claim a dragon. Laenor already claimed Sea Smoke years before the council of 101, where he had as good a claim to succeed Jaehaerys as Viserys did
Ah that's true, I definitely misspoke there. Thanks
How about Maegella? Has she died too during 101 AC?
Jaeherys did not have easy life with his children especially daughters
He was better with roads than with daughters
@@raemonmedina7870 Gotta give Septon Barth his due credit, lots of shit Jaeherys accomplished during his reign his low-born hand of the king was a big part of.
That's because he should've been a better father, especially to his daughters. Part of his failure was because of the culture he lived in (I mean, the double-standard of slutshaming Saera when Daemon and Viserys f*cked their way through flea bottom, for example), but still!
Saera kinda reminds me of myself as a child 😂
anyone got links to the good saera targaryan rule 34?
Oh nah, Seven save you friend 🙏
Good lord, by the old gods and the new
down bad
Alysa really hated Vaegon. She truly bully him lol
Where is Daeron the Daring
He's with Patchface and Young Griff, I fear
@@CrusaderChris Along with Victarion, Lady Stoneheart, Quentyn, Arriane, Strong Belwas, and Moonboy for all I know
The shows really missed out by omitting the purple eyes thing.
This is so interesting 🤔
10 YEEERSS
Vaegon, aroace icon 🖤
Probably some of the dragon seeds were Saera's grandsons (Hugh Hammer and/or Ulf the White). At least i like to think they are. Cause otherwise it would mean Jaehaerys, Aenys or Viserys (or Aemon and Baelon) were unfaithful and that seems unlikely due to their love and devotion to their wifes.
They are valaryon bastards most of them were found on there islands town
Vaegon is a Asexual and Aromantic icon and should be treated as such
But you cannot deny a Targaryen to bond a dragon.
You can if you forever keep them away from a dragon
You have to if you want peace to be an option
I always imagined Alicent with dark blonde hair
Overall do I like vaegon or saera? No. Do I respect them? Yes.
a mention of them perhaps aye but to see them ?
No no chance
Any news on the winds of winter? Third world countries are not the best when looking for news.
Imagine all the blonde wigs if they had a Jaehaerys Targaryen era show 😂😂loll
you forgot aemma
In what part? The opening collage? That was only Targaryens, and Aemma is an Arryn. A queen’s last name doesn’t change when she marries the king; you have to be born into the royal family to bear the royal name. Just like Cersei is still Cersei Lannister, not Cersei Baratheon.
@@CrusaderChris oh my mistake lol
daeron will be in this season it’s was confirmed
👀👀
From the recent episode ,I think saera is the one getting explained by hugh hammer as his mother. Since his mother is a targaryen who left the kingdom and went to become a prostitute 😕
daemon and aemond reminds me of the conqueror
We have never seen the conqueror, what do you mean?Also the conqueror was never inpatient or impulsively as the two read the books
@@badyoutuber1986 did you ever hear something called my opinion not yours ? 👎🏽🤦🏽♂️
@latj16x he has the right to criticise your opinion, so does everyone
Vaegon, Daella, Saera, Aemon, Baelon, Alyssa and Gael. One of these things is not like the others
Jaehaerys as always being icky with his daughters. His obsession with controlling their lives, marriages and sexuality knows no bounds.
Vaegon the Dragonless was one of the worst
he was actually the basest targaryen
Why was he one of the worst ? Explain it he was genuinely to himself for the most part.
@@kurhanchykautism be damned but that boy can read
There must be many more Targaryen bastards still around during the GOT era, Jon Snow seems to be the only one left from the royal line, but what about Aemond's descendants by his son with Alys Rivers, I mean that story was written for a reason. Well, If the spin-offs are successful, I bet we'll get more shows about surviving dragon riders, not necessarily Targaryens and other dragons besides Drogon roaming the skies for decades to come, GRRMs universe is so vast after all.
The east seems so much better then Westeros
I dont think the slaves agree with you
"Ohhh seara is jeahearys fault" what about all the other children that turned out fine.
Bro not too be a dickhead but look at 0:28 in the video. Pause it and look at where you placed Daemon Targaryen. Just looking out bro 😊❤
I don't see the issue. He's connected to Laena on the left and Rhaenyra in the middle. He married and had children with both. On the level above, further to the right, he's connected to Rhea Royce.
Actually i don't think jeaharys so much as limited how many of his kids had dragons but more like most of his kids didn't want one , most of old Jay's kids were girly girls who hated violence and were varu timid snd submissive for the most part which isn't the recipe for dragon riders plus most of his kids died young so theres also that , all of visarys extended family had dragons but of infighting and for legitimaticy purposes so i don't think there really comparable.
Alicent might have been blonde in the books
Vaegon died in 101AC, Saera died in 101..
?
Vaegon the first incel Targaryen
Idk, Vaegon seems much more like he's asexual or autistic
He just likes books better than boobs leave all the modern stuff out of it.
Vaegon was an incel and Jaehaerys was too much of a misogynist to notice.
Vaegon was very much voluntarily celibate. When it was said the ladies of the court would be flitting around Vaegon like butterflies, Good Queen Alysanne herself said Vaegon would be more likely to squash the butterflies with a book.
Vaegon is the one who rejected Daella, so, no. He just seems like he didn't have any interest in women.
You understand that 'incel' is short for 'involuntarily celibate' and Vaegon was the exact opposite of that. They even joked in the book that he MIGHT be interested in a woman if she was in book form (or something close to that). He was NOT an incel. Jaehaerys WAS misogynistic along with 99% of the lords though, so that part is definitely true.
vaegon definitely could get some but didn’t want to, and he didn’t entertain incest like the rest of his family so that’s a good thing lol. he was probably asexual, gay (maybe) or simply liked books more than people (like some genius such as newton did). he was a voluntary celibate, not an incel.
😂do you know what incel means ?
But Laena and Laenor were Targaryens though threw there mom
They have Targaryen blood, but are members of House Velaryon.
After seeing this video and I have no sympathy for what happened to lord beesbury by Criston Cole smashing his eyes out 😂
Vaegon is the original green targeyan
Alicent might have been blonde in the books