The most illegal job application I've ever seen (RED FLAG Employer!)
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- This is the most illegal job application I've ever seen (they can't ask these questions!). Many of these questions cannot be asked in an application or an interview. This is a sign of a red flag employer you should run from.
0:00 - the job posting background story
2:47 - the posting
3:44 -first questions
4:20 - marital status
5:26 - kids
7:22 - country of origin
9:29 - age
11:26 - medical history
13:35 - finding better opportunities
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When I was a younger man, I answered illegal questions all the time. I put up with interviews that should have ended with a fist fight. But eventually I learned. It's a shame our modern schools don't teach valuable information. Teach your kids how to handle employers.
Same! I cringe thinking back on some of the interview questions I answered that the employers were SO wrong to ask. I'm glad this type of info is more available now so hopefully more people will be aware & know how to respond.
Same here. I used to give that information out since I wasn’t informed it was illegal. I’ve had plenty that should’ve resulted in some legal action. The whole job hunting process needs to be taught in schools. Academia is underutilized in the working world, but those individuals won’t all end up in lofty jobs either.
The lack of life skills taught in school is unfortunate!
@john56801 There are some business classes in HS that cover this. But we can't leave it up to schools to teach our kids everything. My son saw me apply for jobs online and even heard me on phone calls during a job search or interview. He learned a lot from observing me and we could discuss this stuff very easily. He asked for my help often in writing or revising his interview and freely came to me with questions, play out an interview question etc. I had some cool books on interview questions that he looked at. He is a successful 33 yr old man.
@@namepending155 The lack of good parenting is unfortunate!
we laugh at this, but there are countries where employers would disqualify you if they knew you got divorced.
Yup. My mom was terrified of this when she left my father, who was an alcoholic. I had to pretend to be her little sister because that was more socially acceptable than being a single mother.
Which country?
@@johanlorentzon4963my guess is maybe Philippines, where divorce is legal for Muslims but illegal for Catholics. However, some Muslim countries that allow divorce will, in practice, only grant it at the request of the husband.
At the same time a lot of Muslim countries will ask you what religion you are.
Why would muslims discriminate against others?
These remind me a LOT of the questions I was asked by a recruiter from Johnson Controls, who at the end of the interview told me I wouldn’t be a good fit, because I caved while being interrogated about my medical background and how much time I took off from my previous employer, and admitted to having to take time off for a medical concern. The recruiter actually had the nerve to tell me that they wouldn’t hire me due to my medical history. I wish I had sued, but I didn’t know that was an option, and I had no support structure where I was living.
Sure do hope you found an employer who gave you a fair chance at a job. I recently interviewed for a new job and made it very clear I'd lost my previous one due to transient health issues causing termination due to their attendance policy.
She didn't have to prompt me -- I volunteered the information, as well as why I left the job before my last one (issues with a co-worker's 8 months of harassment that was not properly resolved by their HR).
I knew I'd made the right choice in being honest, in this case, when the interviewer then took me on a tour of the facility. I'll be starting the job Monday morning. Given the interviewer's demeanor, I think I've found an actual good employer this time around, and I'm going to do my best to reward their trust in me. Best of fortunes to you in finding your own good job, if you've not gotten that already!
I worked for Johnson Controls ~45 years ago. They asked no intrusive or illegal questions. It was a good working environment for several years.
Johnson Controls?
LOL
They can't maintain themselves out of a wet paper bag.
You didn't miss out on anything, unless you like working with idiots that will get you killed on the jobsite.
You where better off. Johnson Controls sucks anyway. Hope it didnt take you too long to get back on your feet.
They botched a major job that my firm had to clean up and make right. You dodged a bullet. LMAO
Having just renewed some passports, a lot of those questions are direct info on a passport... could be a harvesting scam. Or a drug mule scam of some sort.
Yup, that's what I was thinking. A lot of those questions are the same as getting a passport.
Could also be questions for one of those online stripper agencies that have people working from home to earn tips on the various 'live chat' sites.
My favorite interview question (not illegal) has always been "Why should I hire you?" That last time I was asked that question, I already knew I didn't want the job. So my answer was "At this point in the interview, I would think you could answer that question better than I could."
If it's a sales job, I EXPECT this question. It helps the interviewer determine if the candidate can actually sell, or just knows how to follow a customer service script.
@@badladyami And I might agree with you, but for a software development job (which this was), I would _not_ expect this question.
And I would ask back "First tell me why I should get up five or more days a week and work my 'grass' off for you and this company?"
That's a trap question to see how much brown you'll get on your nose. They shouldn't need to ask that if the conversation went well and your CV has what they want. Regardless of profession.
This question is for you to make a comparison for other job lines, for example, why are you not working at the mines, or the sewers?
One of the questions had "Kindly indicate your present location (City and Country)" which tells me the recruiter is Indian. I've run across this type of unsolicited job offers for years. They typically promote a remote position, you fill out the questions, they'll send a fake technical assessment asking basic questions, you're hired! Then the scammers will say they need to furnish your remote office and send a check that you have to cash.
Plus most Indian owned jobs are scam companies. Someone on linked in tried to scam me for voice recordings for their training sessions. Wanted to pay me $16 per recording not per hour. They were trying too hard.
They don’t ask for state/province. If I wrote “Springfield, United States,” that wouldn’t tell them much.
Yeah - 'kindly'; they seem to think that terms like that will disarm the person and they'll just walk right into the scam.
The religion question boosts this theory: the state tracks that in India as it's often more important than race when determining what kind of discrimination you will face /need to be protected from.
You'd see someone's (official) religion on their driver's license.
Exactly what I was about to post.
I have interviewed at quite a few places--banks, marketing firms, clothing stores. In several of these places, there was nobody there over the age of 38. That's a big red flag for me.
I've seen something similar at one of my previous workplaces: Six Flags. The overwhelming majority of workers there everytime I worked there were 15 and 16 year old's.
@@thepretzel2 that's pretty common in highly physical, outdoor jobs. I worked as a valet at a ritzy hotel, and I was one of the older employees in the position at 21.
~40 years ago, an interviewer asked what my religion was, whether I was married, whether I had a boyfriend. I declined to answer, and he explained that young married women tended to get pregnant and quit. I told him this would not be a good fit. Afterward, I told my hiring agent what happened, and she put the company on her sh*t list.
I had an interview like that. The conversation turned to was I married, where I should live, what car I should drive, what religion I was, what church had been picked out for me, I would not be riding my motorcycle, etc etc etc. The company and job were in Texas, in the early 1980s. I told them they wanted too much control in my personal life and I was no longer interested.
I had this same thing happen to me. I talked to a recruiter from a major oil and gas company hiring for international positions at my university, and the recruiter told me they don't like or hire Americans. She went on to say vile things like, "they aren't good workers," and "they get homesick and want to come back to the U.S." They also wouldn't hire you if you were over 30 years old, among other things. My only regret is not getting it on video.
Yes, I was told from an international firm they don't hire people from the US, Iran or Russia ... unless they hold a second passport.
@klinestill I was stated in the video in detail.
@@whiskers78753 if they have no us presence then us law doesn't matter one bit. especially with an internet application.
I’m thinking, based on the question about religion, that it’s a middle eastern or Indian company. They will have an easier time getting certain kinds of travel set up if you don’t hold a US passport as well as certain other passports. The very slippery thing here is that you can’t pack your rights in a suitcase and take them abroad. If you aren’t a single cis white male this might not be the best employment situation. If this company wants to hire Americans for whatever reason they need to adjust their sails accordingly, their hiring process will scare off the best and the brightest for sure!
@klinestill If they've got US operations, those operations must follow US law. A remote employee in the US working for a foreign company is subject to US labor laws as is the US subsidiary of a foreign parent company
My mom, in the U.S., in the 60s, had to sign a document that she would quit if she got pregnant. They had a manager that would track bathroom visits to try and determine any women with morning sickness. Needless to say, that document disappeared from the HR files at some point.
Well, I am a Baby Boomer, and my Mom had to quit her job when she was pregnant. That was what women had to do at the time. She waited as long as she could before it was obvious that she was (Baby Bump). This was about 72's years ago.
@@joane.3533 I don’t think people realize how much times change. Though I will still hear complaints about how much time women are off for pregnancies and military reservists for their stints. My dad lost his job for that reason during Vietnam, though they the same company hired him back for a different position.
I went through this in 2015 with an F500 client. I had to ask permission to go to the bathroom from her as an Agile Coach. I was 3 months pregnant. When I quit, the manager told me I was the b word for quitting and cussed me out. I left for another job.
@@TheVeryAgilePM yeesh. Good place to leave.
@@TheVeryAgilePM asking permission to go to the toilet????
Height and weight for a fully remote position is wow
"Kindly...": a word that's a red flag unto itself. From my experience, whevever someone leads off a sentence with this word, it's going to be a request for you to give information that's none of their business, and has nothing to do with the actual job.
Genuine kindness speaks for itself; labels aren't needed.
Kindly give me your parents' credit card number and don't forget the three kindly numbers on the back!
@@devcrom3 Exactly. I worked with this developer early last year for a very short time. I bailed and cut loose for good when he asked me to "kindly" share samples of my past client work that was completely confidential between me and those clients.
It amazes me how people will post criticism of companies and their hiring practices, yet refuse to name the actual company. Document everything and inform the public. Name and shame, people!
Because said companies tend to have dedicated funds to hire the best lawyers and private investigators (instead of, you know, investing in your employees well-being). We need to communicate and speak out against bad business practices, but said businesses will be at your door if you should even whisper their names.
I've had jobs where promotions only went to marrieds with children that attended on-site "Bible study". This was a major city government in the Southwest US!
@@petunia7623 Sadly this checks out. This is a problem in states where public and private businesses aren't being enforced to follow labor discrimination laws. And it's not just red bible-belt states. Hawaii also has a bad track record for this problem, especially in their hospital systems.
People A) don't want to risk being sued for defamation and B) don't want to get blacklisted form being hired by other companies. NOBODY, will hire a whistleblower. And in other countries you could risk significant legal trouble if you name and shame the wrong people and companies.
@@adamestrada7610 They can't sue you for telling the truth. They can't sue everyone who gives a bad review. It might be different if they actually worked for the company before
A couple of months ago, I started an employment application for a Houston area construction company that wanted an IT specialist. I believe the ad was on GlassDoor or maybe CareerBuilder, but the the application button brought up the employer's website. They had a page where I could upload my resume, which was parsed and filled in the employment application. After confirming the application information, they ask supplemental information, race, sex, and then it went weird, because they started asking all sorts of questions about my sexual orientation and gender identity. They didn't have the usual questions about disability or veteran's status.
I put in Nunya as sexual orientation and closed the browser. I wish I could remember the company's name.
I see these on indeed and Linkedin
A lot of them do that these days, leftists have gone crazy
Asking pronouns and your gender identity is actually fairly normal these days, usually for reasons of avoiding misgendering
@@mrvwbug4423 There is only man and woman
Asking about sexual orientation is off-limits. We don't need to know what type of person you would like to be in a bed with for a job, as long as the job is done satisfactorily. Race/sex is also generally off-limits for discrimination reasons for most jobs, but not unusual to see asked since those are on app sorts of other forms elsewhere - sex is potentially relevant when it comes to certain jobs such as nursing, unfortunately, due to patient care and needs. Pronouns makes more sense for how to refer to someone, but that isn't something necessary for early application procedures and could also be discriminatory -- you can deal with that at the interview portion rather than during the application form section though, when the people are invested in hiring someone since they have gotten that far
The new wave of Sxl orientation questions on applications are staggering.
Gotta get those ESG points somehow.
No thanks to the rampant woke culture where apparently thousands of genders and orientations exist.
attack helicopter
Well, I get rejected due to the most ridiculous reasons: 1) an hour commute because I live in the suburbs, not a big city. 2) No direct experience in a specific field, even though I have experience in more sophisticated and complicated areas related to that field.
Then they post the same job again and again
its not real. They are up to shenanigans
Sometimes when you see the same job being repeatedly reposted, there is no intention to hire anyone. (The company just posts them to give the impression of growth, to have a pile of résumés on file, to keep their options open in case they find a unicorn, to intimidate existing employees, and/or to appease over-worked employees.)
@@amicaaranearumI left an industry because of this sort of bullying shit. Former med scientist/ microbiologist
@@amicaaranearum Other times the company is just a horrible place to work. I've noticed one company that is local keeps posting for multiple positions. A friend of mine told me that company is a nightmare to work for. Apparently it's a mostly family run company and while quite large they still don't have a real management in place.
I love the ones that say the related professional license is preferred...but 5 years experience is required.
When I was younger, I ran into the reverse of the kids question (Question #5). They'd bring it up casually. I'd answer "No". The follow up question was, "So, why not?" That always seemed like a red flag question to me.
A pet store interviewed me. The guy asked if i had "any distractions?" I dodged it. He asked it a little later with exambles such as a boyfriend. I wish i had the guts to tell him that it is an illegal question.
The President of a company interviewed me years ago, and I kept getting the feeling he was trying to find out if I had children or not...
I realized they operated a daycare on the first floor. I'm sure only those with children who would utilize their daycare would be hired. Company is no longer there.
@@donaldjohnson-cz9mm I didn't get the impression that they offered the daycare for free, they said it was *available* . It would have likely been covered by payroll deduction, thus they would profit from the wages they paid me. That's why I think he wanted to make sure children were involved.
There are places with daycare available as a benefit for employees, which can be very good if the company is good and has good intentions. It also sounds like this one did not have good intentions, and was using it as a way to control their employees. Daycare is currently a very hot commodity in the US due to a shortage of spaces available. It is really hard to find a good daycare and also get a child (or multiple) into said good daycare. If a company offers daycare onsite, it means that an employee looking to leave not only has to find another job, they also have to find care for their child(ren). That’s an uphill climb many would rather not take.
I was looking at part time employment possibilities after retirement. One online application (the only way to apply) asked when I graduated high school. That would certainly lend itself to age discrimination.
Your right, I recently applied for a few part-time positions (retired this past May 2023). I am finding that a few job applications are asking illegal questions, to Vet your age (Ageism). Like our high school graduation & college graduation date , which will give away our actual age. Asking if a person has a drivers license for a job that doesn’t require driving (desk job) is also discriminatory, they are trying to see if the applicant takes public transportation (ex: bus, train ect). I have been a manager for 20 plus years & had employees with vehicles who were late to work more than my employees who traveled to work on buses, so that question is totally inappropriate. Plus some people that live in the city don’t need to possess a car, since public transportation is more convenient and inexpensive than owning a car. Plus most under served communities may not have the finances to afford a car. Some of these part-time jobs doesn’t give specific work hours or days, and is open ended (ex: must work between hours of 8am-10pm, weekdays , available weekends, holidays and for overtime). They give a basic entry level clerical job description , but require you to take a 10 minute timed test with excel spreadsheet questions, analytical financial questions for an alleged basic clerical job position that pays $15-$17 an hour? The math ain’t mathing! Lol😅🤦🏽♀️ Never seen a bunch of deceptive ignorant employers in my lifetime until recently. 🙄
@vetgirl71 that's the issue with the job market these days and saddly when millinials and gen-z complain about it we typically get told to bad pull yourself up by your bootstraps
@@Randy14512 If your applications have as many typos as your post does that may be affecting your job search. Writing isn't everyone's cup of tea- if you know that to be the case, have a friend or two proof things before you send them.
The correct answer is "I will gladly supply that information with a firm job offer." Also, don't appear and dress old. Get a current hairstyle and dye your hair and facial hair. Dress in current fashion for the job. Update your shoes and eyeglasses. You have to look younger, even getting a facial rejuvenation treatment is a good investment. After you get the job and pass the probationary period, gradually age again. Of course, you might like looking younger.
@@nursejoed Hey boomer (which i assess not based on age but on your attitude), you do get that we can in fact type one way here on an informal forum and type another way entirely when applyin for a real job: rite?
Like i wudnt ever type as i do on an app for a job; but i aint bein arsed to type proper just for the sake of makin boomers like yourself have slightly less bunched up panties
After seeing this application I'm half-surprised they didn't ask for my credit card number, the three numbers on the back, my social security number, and the name of my first pet.
I was being interviewed and the interviewer saw that I had worked for Atomic Energy & he came straight out and asked “Tell me something secret”. Well here’s a secret I can share, he got reported to the government.
We did ask about religion, but only for the most senior leaders and our clergy (I worked for a faith based healthcare company).
This looks like a phishing attempt.
Yep, totally looks like it's aimed at identity theft or gaining access to accounts.
Starting a request for information with "Kindly" is very much an Indian pattern of speech, so we can assume that it's likely that's where this questionnaire comes from. There are a few other places this is common, but that's the most common I've seen.
Based on that, and the type of questions, it sounds like a residency permit to another country, likely India, would be required. Most, if not all, of these questions may be related to that. Of course, this is totally the wrong way to handle this, but that's probably the source.
It could just be a shotgun approach to identity theft though.
Many years ago an interviewer asked if I was married or if I was planning on getting married. He explained that a married man was less likely to steal from the company in his opinion.
i’m actually seeing applications requirements like this. My impression is it’s usually Asia. Particularly with the question dealing with religion. But not always. When I start hitting questions like these I immediately eject out of the application process.
there’s a lot of southeast Asia countries as well that have no comprehension that discrimination is not right.
I even had somebody in the application process asking for my Social Security number. I laughed and hung up
If I were applying for a job and that job was asking me illegal questions, for every illegal question that they asked, I would provide them the answer closest to what they are looking for, even if it is a lie. If they are going to ask illegal questions like what my age is so that they can descriminate against me, I'm going to lie to them
I just found a fake LinkedIn job post that I applied to just to see what would happen and I received an email almost immediately (coming from a gmail account!!) asking for my SSN to get started. 😂 People are really trying anything these days!
Scammers using LinkedIn - guess I should not be surprised.
Don’t laugh - a friend fell for this during lockdown.
I've managed to spot some content writing positions that are made by a fake company. The dumb part is that they keep on removing and reposting that job posting.
I reported their BS afterwards. Never saw their fake companies and fake job postings when that happened.
As a leader in talent acquisition myself, I love it when this happens to me--it just tells me how badly they need me to help them lead them into compliance. Beyond that, though, it's terrible....
I've never understood how they can proclaim all the EEOC rhetoric but then literally on the same page, blatantly describe female, minority and veteran's preference(s)....
Ummm hello?
@@bradoshaholmes2867- Hopefully the current Supreme court can make that illegal too. God, I hope so.
Maybe it’s a test.
@@NamiNoKanki Maybe it's a cry for help.
Reviewing sketchy job postings would be a very helpful series of videos.
Yes! Especially for remote positions
Agreed, I think this would be helpful!
I remember a time when you applied for a job, and you were actually put in touch with someone who actually knew something about what you would be hired to do. Most times they were an older guy who had actually done the job. Now there are recruiters and hr. I've been on both sides of this problem. The twits that do the hiring don't have a clue if the applicant is compedent or not. They hire and then send you some idiot without a clue for skilled trades jobs. It's like they try to hire the biggest idiots with no real experience
They don't give a f..K. Fill a job, get commission and maybe govt bonus.
@@TheMazinoz And down at my end, you get welders who can;t strike an arc, electricians that don't know a multimeter from a hammer, and mechanics who can't jump start a car or change a tire
Yeah I remember and call screen with a recruiter for a job. I asked very detailed questions about the position that immediately told her I knew what I was talking about during the call. Let’s just say if I had $1 for every time she said I don’t know I wouldn’t. need a job. I did get an interview and offer for that position but turned it down. They knew I could do the work within the first 5 minutes of speaking with me. They offered me the position less than a day after the interview. Of course that was a couple of years ago. Now I would be lucky to make it past the AI screening. Times have indeed changed.
@@joecummings1260 Not much fun for other employees either who have to work with them.
Had a job where one of my duties was to help remote employees set up their thin clients. HR would basically tell them any equipment would work. You needed 2 monitors. They let people through with two iMacs, one guy only had one monitor and absolutely refused to believe he needed a second, etc.
When they say kindly it’s absolutely a SCAM!!!!
I def not answering questions that involves my personal business. I’d rather just not get the job than to have my sensitive info being shared by someone who has nothing to do with my life‼️
Haha considering how a recruiter from Korea straight told me I’m too old to be considered, I’m not too surprised if that application came from somewhere around there on earth. Audacity for him to say such when it was him who bugged me to have a phone interview when I wasn’t even applying to his company lol.
Whether it was an actual application or not, still very enlightening as to what is illegal to ask on an application. And I think the place I work for does ask a few of these.
These types of questions get asked, unfortunately, mostly by medium or small companies in Italy. I even got the marriage and childcare questions at a job interview with Eli Lilly a good while back. The inteviewer told me they wanted a woman for the position, but they were concerned about women commitment to work. I always put my date of birth and the age of my 2 kids in my CV to show 1) I am unlikely to have more kids 2) my kids are old enough and won't miss many days of work. It avoids all types of awkwardness during the interview and the untold implied assumpion a man would be a better match for the position. I hope things have change for better, at least for multinationals!
That would be illegal in the US, but since you indicated you live in Italy that has more to do with hiring and employment regulations (or lack thereof). Most big companies (multinational or otherwise) will try to exercise as much control over you as legally possible, so hopefully the Italian government (or maybe EU) will put some guardrails in place in the near future.
You can challenge the relevance and lawful basis for requesting the data (GDPR Articles 5(1)(a) and 5(1)(c))
@@thegreenmanofnorwich It was a while back, but now I look at the interview, not just as a challange to win, but also as a way to answer the question "is it a company I want to work for". A manager/job like that, will mean a very short time with that company. Luckely I am happly employed in a multinational by more than 10 years, an excellent company, really I can only speak very highly of them
It's not only sexist to only want a woman, it's also sexist to think a woman can't commit to the role. They managed to be discriminatory in both directions at the same time.
Am I only one who's more annoyed on that scale 1-10 not specify which way of that scale is more or less serious?
Digit value low to high with corresponding increase in interest level. They list "1-10", already implying a range low to high chronologically. Now if they were requesting applicant to "rank" choices, it would make sense for 1 to be the top value. We see the context in the phrasing of it. Not ideal clarity, for sure, but clear enough for most applicants to follow.
I find it way more annoying that they'd obviously like to discriminate based on family status, age, height, weight, religion, etc. than that they'd expect me to have common sense and follow general rating scale logic. But that's just an opinion based on my own values. If that doesn't bug you so much, cool.
Any question starting with “kindly” should be an automatic red flag
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Rule of thumb is that if the question makes you uncomfortable or is about something private, DON'T answer. Probably not a good idea to continue with that application process/interview, either.
A good example is an interview that I had about a year ago. This potential employer asked me about my time in the military. Somehow, the conversation drifted towards my posting in Korea, which was a SHITSHOW from start to finish. I tried to avoid providing a lot of details on that subject. It made me *QUITE* uncomfortable.
After that interview was over, I already knew I wouldn't get that job. I didn't feel too bad about it, either. It was good practice for future interviews, though.
Yeah, asking details about military service is quite suspect. There's swapping stories if your recruiter also happens to be a vet, but asking specific details about duty assignments is a whole different ballgame. The only non-sus details would be how long you served and what you did as your MOS, especially if it's relevant experience for the job being applied for.
Target's application process is almost as invasive, just for a cashier position
It was weirdly invasive and I still didn't get hired.
One I've noticed recently is companies using the "write three paragraphs about yourself" deal on the application, while likely not illegal, it's obvious they are just fishing for answers to questions they can't ask legally, hoping you don't know and provide the information willingly.
They're also asking for some ai to just write out the answer. Nobody has that time
My last employer was a tech company that was based in India. Every one of these questions were on their application, including BLOOD TYPE! They were legit but they never paid overtime. A former coworker filed a lawsuit against them and I received a nice check.
Back in the 1980s, I interviewed for a position as an associate with a law firm. The senior partner asked me if I was married.
It was clear that he wanted to hire a single person, saying that he expected new hires to work most Saturdays and many Sundays.
Then, he went on how new attorneys should not be making 70K to 100K in Chicago (a New York firm had opened a Chicago office and decided to pay NYC salaries). He thought the medical profession got it right, working residents insane hours for meager wages, and that the legal profession should do the same.
The fact that a lawyer would ask an illegal question had me question the firm's commitment to following required legal ethics. I wrote the "thanks but no thanks" letter that evening.
> working residents insane hours for meager wages
And now there's a massive RN shortage. Who would've guessed?
@@Demopans5990 Residents are doctors, not nurses.
@@benu_bird
I mean, it's even worse with nurses
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I noticed as well that in CVs from people from India they usually list their marital status and number of kids, so it can be something cultural that they are not aware can't be asked on other countries.
Are they trying to steal his identity?
I reckon so. Keyword "Kindly"
That was my thoughts when I saw several of personal identity questions.
this literally seems like an application to become traffiked.... they want to know about kids because they get more money, they need to know about spouse incase theres a protective husband in picture, they need to know age to make sure theyre not going for granny poon. this whole application is downright horrifying
It's a pretty standard Indian job app. The religion and "religion at birth" question is specifically to identify caste (which they legally can't directly ask about), a non-Hindu who was born Hindu usually belongs to a low caste or is a Dalit, and discrimination against non-Hindus in general is extremely rampant all over India.
There are some countries where apostasy is a crime. If you were born one religion but no longer practice, that can be an offense. There are also countries where people of a certain religion are not allowed to even enter. The religion question could be to determine if you need to pray during the day (for Muslims and Orthodox Jews, for example), but it feels on first blush more like the former to me given the phrasing in number 10.
That being said, I think is a phishing attempt. There does not appear to be enough space to even answer some of the questions they are asking.
I don’t think it’s a legitimate application, but if it were, it could simply ask something like “This job will require you to be able to travel to [country]. Would you be able to do so?”
That was my immediate thought.
Literally all of those questions are asked for 99% of applications in the UK. They are often on optional forms, but some will not allow submission without completion.
They should all have a "prefer not to answer" option. Irrespective of anything else, it would usually be excessive/irrelevant for the purpose of GDPR article 5(1)(c) and therefore not lawful. It's fine to ask for diversity monitoring purposes, but that data cannot be used for a hiring decision.
Didn’t know that. Some real BS
They are also illegal require an answer in the UK ...
@@davidioanhedges Indeed. Doesn't stop them from asking though
@@captainno7312I have checked and apparently I am out of date ...
All of these questions are now illegal in the UK as well ... if an interviewer asks them, refuse to answer, warn them that by asking they are breaking the law, and if they persist leave the interview and report it - you do not want to work for a company that breaks the law this flagrantly
I was under the impression "do you have any medical conditions that would impact your ability to fulfil the job requirement" was a valid job application question.
That's a REALLY different question than "list everything wrong with you and your medications".
It is. That's not what the question was, though.
Lol, I have gotten some crazy applications from Indian companies trying to break into the US. "We want you to head up our new US based office and build out a sales staff. Service and support roles are yours to identify a need and hire eventually." The applications were after the offers and not written for the US. Don't expect insurance or HR or anything to work the way you are used to, or at all, when working for foreign companies. That crazy salary, that's cause you are working US hours AND joining all the management meetings and crap in the middle of the night cause they expect you to be on their hours too.
It’s probably a phishing attempt, someone wants to do some identity theft
I was asked in 2005 or 2006 whether I was married and I was dumbstruck. At the time, I wasn't married yet, and the interviewer used that fact to tell me that he wanted to hire married men because they had their stuff together and unmarried men don't. I looked it up when I got home, and apparently at least at that time it was legal in Pennsylvania to do this. Has that changed?
is has nothing to do with "having your stuff together" but more the idea that a married man has a family (wife at the least but often 1+ children) which means he's more likely to need the job and thus less likely to push back or quit if he's mistreated. Unmarried men can and will bounce when a company starts being unreasonable.
@@Ezberron I'm telling you what the guy told me right before he said I wasn't getting the job. I figure if he was going to be that bold about asking a terrible question, he probably wasn't going to lie about his reasoning for it.
I think both of these things can be true. There _is_ a perception that married men are more stable and reliable, but also married men are more likely to have dependents, potentially reducing their negotiating power.
@@amicaaranearumSame guy, one of the first things he said to me when he came into the room was, "You don't really want this job, do you?" Why? Because it was a tech job and I finished a music degree after I finished a computer science degree.
Strictly speaking, a lot of these types of questions are not illegal to ask under federal US law (states may vary), BUT if you ask them, they can be used as evidence of intent to discriminate. So, asking these questions is really just inviting lawsuits and legal trouble. www.eeoc.gov/pre-employment-inquiries-and-marital-status-or-number-children
The marital status was one asked by my government job. They did clarify that my job would often have lots and lots of unexpected work hours and time away from home so they warned that it can be very hard for relationships and family life.
That's one of those situations where you ask "who do I tell?" It's kinda like being sexually harassed by the HR person.
This is one where they aren't supposed to ask that question and instead confirm that there would be no issue in regards to the unexpected work hours and time away from home
An illegal question with a plausible rationalization is still ________ .
They ask all these questions because they cannot ask about caste directly. I worked for someone from this country recently (I am 95% sure this is from India). Most racist, sexist person I have ever dealt with in a professional capacity. He protected a manager who was abusing his staff because he was from the same caste / religion / part of India. He also liked having employees who depended on him for their visas, so they'd be more loyal to him.
That’s not India it’s middle east. I’ve also worked for Indian companies and though they could be pretty racist and sexiest alike they don’t care about religions. This is Middle East.
Sounds like an organ donor questionnaire.
Was hanging out with my nephew while he filled out online applications for 2 big firms in the USA. Hu'Murican Airlines and Breeteash Petroleum. He then said to me some of the questions where weird. There were questions asking about race, gender, nationality, countries you hold citizenships for, and even sexuality for Chrissakes! I told him I didn't think some of those questions were legal but I'm no labor law attorney. Unfortunately this is the crud folks are forced to put up with to get a job these days. Sad.
@strangerdanger8462 So why didn't you have your nephew google what questions are not legal for an employer to ask? He was online anyway, encourage him to do his own research and search for information himself. He could just type in the browser "is it illegal in the US for employer to ask job applicant their height and weight?" or just google what questions are legal for an employer in the United States to ask. Show him how to find information. You set him up for success!
@@joane.3533 He's a software engineer. With just over a year of experience ( at the time) after graduation in '22. He knows his way around the Internet better than myself. But here's the issue, whether he and I like the questions or not, to throw his name in the hat for the jobs he wants with the big firms referenced in my original post, he has to answer those questions. He ended up getting a job with one of the Wall St. Investment banks, and he's happy. We're all happy for him.
I can actually see why an airline or petroleum company might want to ask those invasive questions, specifically the sexuality question. In certain parts of the world - particularly oil-rich countries in the middle east and Africa - being homosexual can earn you a death sentence, so they'd understandably want to avoid sending anyone to those countries.
They ask all these questions because of diversity points.
I think it'd be great if you did a video on some of the trickier situations. Like you mentioned in this vid, there are some jobs where a employer is allowed to ask height & weight because it's relevant to the job.
Conversely, I'll never forget a job interview I had years ago where I was asked a very personal religious question, but because I'd used employment services through my church to find the job opportunity, I thought I had to answer, even though the job had nothing to do with religion. You can see how the confusion arose.
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I assume things like modeling jobs and actors could legitimately ask for height and weight. I think?
@@InvertedGoblin Seems likely. I think I've heard airline flight attendant jobs do too.
Some jobs have bona fide requirements that could be considered discriminatory, but aren’t.
Like the flight attendant. But they can ask “This job requires you to reach a height of 5’10”/178 cm. Can you meet this requirement?”
Or a firefighter job requiring you to carry 60lbs/ 28kg up stairs and for an extended period of time.
Legit and necessary essential functions of the job.
The graduation date from college or university is a backhanded way of determining age in the US.
In Connecticut, at least, it's been illegal to ask that in the first round since 2021.
You think it matters? They are still doing it for national and remote postings. Just recently too.
In France we have to go to a work appointed medical visit so they can test 1. Employee is not on drugs 2. They are not pregnant ! This most be done within the initial 3 months of the start of the job. On applications they always ask for gender and race which I never fill in. They also ask which country you were born in even if you have multiple other nationalities, some even ask where your parents were born !! LOL, I guess we are used to it but it does not sound fair ! Once I asked a friend of mine in HR why they need this info as I am not from France so I was curious.
I'm from Australia and there this is forbidden. So she said HR is fishing to see that you are not either Arab or African. If thy hire foreigners, they prefer not to hire arabs as they are aggressive and have many kids and Africans are lazy at work !! They prefer caucasians and even better asians from either Korea or Japan as they never complain, are hardworking and good at taking orders. I was shocked !! But this is the reality here in France but it mostly applies to non-French staff which is identified by blood and genetics and not how many generations you have been here.
France is so racist and most Americans have no idea. France still exfiltrates $500 billion every year from its "former" colonies in Africa via 1-sided trade agreements and forcing them to keep half of their state treasuries in French banks. France keeps African countries poor and then dares question why economic refugees come. It was also French bombers which toppled the Libyan government and turned that country into a failed state with open-air slave markets and nonstop refugees
I’m American, but I did an HR internship in Mexico. The company is British, but they have locations around the world, and I worked at one of their Mexico locations in the recruiting department. It was very common for job adverts to put a preferred or even required marital status, gender, and age, and applicants put them as well. They also featured a requirement “good presentation” in some postings, which I felt was a dog whistle for “pretty young woman.” I remember I was shocked when I first saw these things, so I asked my manager about it, and she said those requirements were completely normal there haha.
You are absolutely correct about "good presentation" being a dogwhistle for "pretty young woman" in Mexican job postings. Over there, it's totally normal and legal to specify gender/age range/marital status as qualifications. It's also normal to add photos to resumes there.
This seems to me to be an internal training document for HR laws.
I think if a remote employee asking if they have daycare is legit as long as they don't cheap out on the pay.
Country of origin. Brings back memories of my time teaching in China. I still remember the time when a recruiter not only saw my resume, but also could see my profile picture and I think she did a zoom call or voice chat with me. She kept asking me where am I from? Am I white? I asked her if she saw my profile picture. She said yes. I asked what do I look like? She asked again if I'm white. LOL! This is a big recruiter for schools in China. It was hilarious. I tried ghosting her, but she kept asking me if I wanted a job and if I was white. I finally grew tired of her, got her on a video call, cussed her out a dozen times, then threatened to report her to the labor bureau and discredit her all over the internet. Anyway, country of origin for teaching in China is the norm because schools only want people from native speaking countries.
When I was looking for jobs, I remember almost every employer asked about my date of birth, from which they could easily calculate my age. I’m wondering if the employers are still doing the same nowadays.
A good proxy is graduation date, since most people are about 18 when they graduate from high school, 22 when they graduate from college, and 25-28 when they obtain an advanced degree.
I'm genuinely curious. If an employer is not allowed to ask your age, but your DOB is requested anywhere on the application, then they'll know your age. Are they allowed to ask for your DOB?
Generally speaking (with regard to the US), your DOB is only provided when you have a job offer already in-hand and you are filling out HR paperwork. There are several mandatory forms for state and federal, and as I recall DOB is present either implicitly or explicitly on a couple. (I9 forms require providing copies of ID, and at least one form of ID has DOB on it.)
But again, the company has to give you a job offer first. They can try to make an end run around this at their peril. There are tactics to do clever-er age discrimination, of course, so record your job interview and all communication...
Working as someone who gives ADA employment guidance, the times I have told an employee that question 12 is not something that an employer can ask, and the times I have told employers the same thing is a lot. Only thing they could ask is a voluntary self disclosure of disability at most.
They could ask these questions if it is a job where you are obtaining a secret level security clearance job, but those questions and application would come after the hiring process, and your employment is contingent on successfully obtaining the security clearance.
Adding to that, the security clearance check will be conducted by another agency, and/or be set up like a silo, so the hiring manager or anyone else involved in the actual decision making process will not have access to this personal information. They will know if you passed or not, but not things like what elementary school you went to, or every address you have ever had throughout your entire life, questions they actually ask on the SF-86.
That said, if you need a new job yesterday, don't waste your time on anything that needs a clearance. While you'll probably pass, most would take about 6 months and is the best case scenario.
Worst case scenario, you're looking at 2 years. What can cause 2 years? Let's see.. imagine if you had a different apartment every year in college and graduate school, you were an exchange student twice, in two different countries (and not in North America or Western Europe), you have grandparents or a cousin in Syria, and you were in the Foreign Legion or had a stint as a UN Peacekeeper. Oh, and your father was convicted of treason. I doubt any of those things on their own would disqualify someone, but that's a LOT of things to investigate and look into.
@@benc6503 this is why it’s getting more difficult to hire for positions requiring security clearance. But once you get it, your security clearance is good for 10-years.
Those questions would be part of the e-QIP (formerly Standard Form 86, I think) that is the first step in qualifying for a security clearance or public trust clearance.
If I recall correctly, the Office of Personnel Management receives the e-QIP and it proceeds from there.
Oh, and final adjudication of a clearance can take up to two years and nearly always requires face to face interviews between the investigator and the applicant as well as between the investigator and the applicant's most intimate associates.
Religion and religion at birth is not allowed to be asked by the US govt for a security clearance. Anything considered part of a protected class with the exception of national origin and/or immigrant/naturalization status is off limits for security clearance vetting, and that is only because clearances for certain positions are only open to US citizens and nationals of certain countries are barred from holding clearances or working in US government jobs or contractor roles. That is actually why an alarmingly high number of religious extremists end up getting clearances.
@@mrvwbug4423 To be honest, if the investigators were more competent at vetting potential clearance recipients' known associates and memberships in organizations, they might be able to red-flag potentially problematic persons.
If by "religious extremists" you're referring to "conservative Christians", last I checked, very few of them posed a threat to national security, certainly not enough to single them out as a group worthy of denying security clearances. Fixating on them as potential "religious extremists who should be denied clearances because... reasons" uncovers an alarming level of religious bigotry on the part of the fixated person.
And still, there's that pesky First Amendment, so... tough luck.
I applied for a part time dock loader position. At my then job I had a very good attendance record. I got called in for a job interview and the first question was one that was NOT on the application, "Do you smoke?". That's where the interview ended. He cited attendance issues and benefit costs to the company. I was never sure if it was even legal or why they didn't ask it on the application.
I can't say where you are but here an addiction can't be desciminated about
Those questions might be valid after they have signed the employee on, if they need to go to China, but definitely not before they have met the employee. I laughed at the "Country of Birth" question because my parents lived in a very foreign country for 2 years, during which I was born. I have no heritage there nor am I a citizen...
You could totally ask about someone's ability to travel internationally (either a specific country or just generally) if it's likely to come up in the job or you just want every employee to be able to visit Global HQ for seminars and such. But the right way to ask is "Can you occasionally travel to (country)?" Maybe with some prompts about legal requirements.
Red flag: the recruiter demands part of your social security number for 'the system'. Some Canadian bank gigs do that, allegedly to prevent multiple submissions using a unique identifier that is unique to individuals. The problem there is that it is invasive, and that info is supposed to be kept confidential because it can be used for identity theft. You can make up a 3 or 4 digit combo, but then you would have to remember it and risk conflict with another applicant.
Your age and state of birth can be derived from your U.S. Socual Security number. Google the steps for this.
I had one that had more illegal questions than legal questions. The sad thing is that if you need a job you have to do it. No one will help you unless you have the money to try it in court. I have never heard of anyone taking this to court so I can only assume it is never corrected. The majority of jobs I have had have told what felony I was going to do for them.
Interesting differences to hiring in Switzerland / Germany! Age, place of birth and marriage status are normally part of your CV. 🤔
And nationality
i saw an application for a public school in NJ that asked people to identify as disabled on the application. this was before disability was included under affirmative action. even now, it should not be on the application itself
Disability status is a standard question on US job applications now, answering is voluntary, but its mostly a CYA for employers to show they're not discriminating against disabled persons.
@@mrvwbug4423 it is ILLEGAL to have on the application itself. it can only be on a separate page if its an affirmative action employer. non affirmative action employers are NOT allowed to ask at all prior to a job offer. they can only legally ask if you can do the job with or without reasonable accommodation -the answers are yes or no (not with or without) if business is asking, they can be sued.
I had a job ask my citizenships but it was only after I got an offer and was going through the background check. The reason is that it was a sensitive profession that required a security clearance. The question was on a form from a US Government agency.
My manager invited me to help interview a new potential agent for my company who would be based at one of our overseas offices. So I got the resume and saw marital status and driver's license type on it and went "Huh?!??"
I would view those questions as apart of a scam application. However, I’m based in the USA so maybe it’s normal in other parts of the world. Answering those questions could make it easier for them to steal your identify.
LOL. Some questions they left out:
_Will you allow others to pack your bags for you?_
_Is your luggage often closely inspected by customs?_
_Do others consider you "hawt?"_
Are you a vegan?
One of my favorites was having recruiters ask me for a photocopy of my drivers license.
Would be nice if the OP contacted you and gave you the name of the company so you can look more into it. However, the fourth reason and should be mentioned. Lots of businesses in certain regions of the world is legal. Denmark just removed age from applications a few months ago.
What would you think of a company that offers massages at your desk while at work? Yes, this is a thing at the company I currently work for. Thankfully, I work remotely
@KathySandru I worked at a company that had offered massages twice a month. You had to pay for them (not very expensive) and usually they were 15 - 30 minutes long and in a private room. The company they used was legit, licensed massage therapists. They do use a massage chair but usually the massage table was available but you didn't get undressed. Really beneficial and so stress free just in being able to walk down the hall at your scheduled appt time. I think you may have misunderstood the "massages at your desk". If it was at your desk then you couldn't do your work.
A Massage with a Happy Ending would not be "appropriate" at your desk or any desk at work!😁! LMFAO!!
I had a job that asked for my medical history and meds I was on. The form had to be signed by my doctor. I couldn't believe they asked for that. Yes, It was a real job. 😆
My employer sends everyone for a pre employment medical screening and then screens them again every years it's a requirement of the job however and therefore perfectly legitimate (company has to cover all expenses of this screening)
This includes quite a strict vision test in that you have to meet a certain level of visual accuracy not just with any glasses/contacts you wear but there is another threshold you have to be able to meet without any glasses or contact lenses
No Coke bottle (bottom) glasses desired?!
Most of these questions are typical in Germany, including marital status, age, ages of children, nationality, etc, and they even expect a photo on your application. The only thing I am a rare of being illegal is to ask if you are pregnant.
I would totally complete that with outlandish responses.
For #9: Age has nothing to do with the visa for the most part. But since some Asian countries have an age of majority of 20, an 18 or 19 year-old would need parental permission on a visa application to that country, even though they are technically an adult here in the US. Then, you have retirement visas for countries like Thailand, which require you to be at least 50 to be eligible. Short of that, your age doesn't matter when entering on a tourist, business, or work visa. At least not in any country I know of.
For 10: Some countries (most notably Saudi Arabia) ask your religion on the visa application. Furthermore, in some of the countries in that area, apostasy is a crime. For these countries - it might be a valid question on a visa application
The reason why most questions like this have been made illegal is because we collectively had decided it's in society's best interest to encourage people in these situations to work, and therefore want to stop these "NIMBY" questions: "Oh sure, I think it's great that mothers, single parents, disabled, etc. get a chance to work and provide for themselves instead of relying upon the dole, but only when it doesn't any ability to slightly inconvenience ME."
They were sooo polite though "kindly indicate.."
Got a call last week. The lady went on and on about treating candidates and employees as human beings. Then shr never followed up to let me know if I was still under consideration. People are so full of shit.
so true, shitty Part-time, ZERO benefits. Screw that. Not to mention age discrimination, if 40 and over you can kiss off!!
I had a phone interview like that a few years ago. First red flag was she double-booked the interview. Second was that she went on at length about how she treats candidates as human, & never talked to me; I had to drag from her any details about the job. Last red flag was she said she'd call back with an update within a few days: I waited a week before I left a negative review on Glassdoor, a few days later I finally received an email saying they decided to go with someone else.
I guess it's too much work for some recruiters to treat applicants with some minimal dignity.
I applied to the city of Edmonton and took a screen shot of the question, which appeared on their application form Are you an Aboriginal? Another question appeared asking about my sexual orientation? Are you transgender? Are these questions illegal they claim it's for diversity. But I think it is garbage when I select that i am white I get weeded out of the selection process. How do you get around the age issue? Most applications date when you graduated? Can you do a video on blacklisting. When a person is on a do not hire list and your former employer is involved in interference with your future employer?
What country are you in?
Depending on the company, they may have to report the demographics of the applicants to the government (that's usually public service jobs). You don't have to answer in the US, though.
@@smilesnluvd6526 OP is in Canada
@@smilesnluvd6526he’s obviously Canadian lol Haven’t you heard of Edmonton? It’s a city in Alberta, a province in Canada.
@@KittenBowl1 There's cities in the US named Edmonton. I'm sure there are cities in other countries named Edmonton. Haven't you heard of them?
On the subject of medical issues, I remember one guy we had hired to unload freight for my store. Turns out, the guy had a torn rotator cuff that he was "treating" with cortisone injections, and eminently incapable of performing the job.
we have had guys come in to work on a monday hurt themselves in the first hour go on comp. later we hear through gossip that the guy was playing baseball on the weekend and got hurt. but being dishonest decides to stick us with the injury. so my view on employees is the exact opposite of all those employee dicks that call companies dicks. employees rip off employers plenty . and they feel justified to do it.
Any "future surgeries" or "scheduled surgeries" was asked of me (over the phone) once just a few months ago.
I got a form like that not exactly like this but it was really bad and I responded to the recruiter that I was no longer interested in the role due to the ethical boundaries not related to the role.
Anything that includes "kindly" in the messaging is a scam.
Pretty sure it's fake, but wouldn't it be easier to ask for your picture so they can see what they don't like about you?
I've had job applications ask for this
But then it would be harder to steal your identity.
Medications being taken will likely come up on paperwork for a pre-employment drug screening, but not really apart from that and certainly not an initial application. Most of the other questions were shocking.
I've seen these questions (worded in better English) on job applications for U.S companies, heck EVERY job application ive filled out has had "birthday" day month and year as a required field, and marital status plus questions on if you have a disability are on every form, most of them are required fields and only half ive seen have a "prefer not to say" option
I find it curious that almost all of those questions are perfectly legal in the US for landlords to ask their tenants, and thus exclude those tenants that match those criteria.
Are you sure about that? I've rented under a lot of landlords, and I've never been asked my country of origin, religion, height, weight, passport status, age, and medical conditions. The questions about marital status and childern are perfectly legitimate for a landlord to ask (at least I think) because they pertain to the number of people living in the apartment, while they're not pertinent to a job.
It’s illegal for landlords to discriminate on the basis of a protected class.
Obviously, widows and widower are not hirable by this alleged corporation. 😂 The kids and minors question! 😂 What passports???? Sounds like they want to steal the applicant's identity.
I just got a random resume in my catch all e-mail for a past tech company. They are from India, and I was surprised they list in their resume: DOB, Marital status, Father's name, and Full address.
The only ways I can think of to peacefully get around asking about age and/or religion MIGHT be to inquire if there are any days or times that you would be routinely unavailable for overtime and/or additional shifts.... but I don't know if even that would fall afoul of some laws.