“Ukrainians delegitimized the old narratives about Russia that had been present in Germany”
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Our next episode of Ukraine Through the Eyes of Others features Andreas Umland, a political scientist specializing in contemporary Russian and Ukrainian history, regime transitions, and a wide range of topics in post-Soviet studies. His extensive body of work spans diverse subjects, including research on the post-Soviet extreme right, European fascism, East European geopolitics, Russian nationalism, and others. Mr. Umland holds the position of Senior Expert at the Ukrainian Institute for the Future in Kyiv and serves as a dedicated research fellow at the Swedish Institute for International Affairs in Stockholm. Based in Kyiv, he also works as an Associate Professor of Politics at the esteemed National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy.
Ukraine Through the Eyes of Others is a special series aimed at highlighting the perspective of international journalists, researchers, analysts, and experts from different fields on the Russian war against Ukraine.
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00:00 Ukraine Through the Eyes of Others features Andreas Umland
01:15 - How Andreas got interested in studying Ukraine
03:50 - The rise of the Russian far right
07:50 - Dugin and Russia’s policy towards Ukraine
09:37 - The role of Russian society in the war against Ukraine
14:58 - Putin’s authority inside Russia
15:30 - Perception of Navalny
22:00 - Collective responsibility of Russian people
25:00 - Decolonizing academia
32:11- How Ukrainian academia can build connections with international institutions
37:37 - Ukraine in Swedish foreign policy
42:59 - German’s history of ties to Russia
48:50 - How and why German’s policy towards helping Ukraine shifted
51:54 - Why Germany should do more for Ukraine
56:03 - Why political scientists and historians should visit Ukraine now
1:01:30 - Favourite place in Ukraine
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Good unpacking of why it is good to travel to Ukraine now.
This summer me and my partner made a small road trip Lviv-Chernivtsi-Jaremche-Uzhorod. We felt very welcome, and everything seemed more or less as easy as before the pandemic (when we last visited).
We happened to be in Lviv on July 6th when the missile struck, and that was truly scary. Which in itself was an education - you don't know how you will react before you experience it.
One thing that a presumptive tourist might not think of when it comes to travelling in Western Ukraine now is that you will meet people from all over Ukraine. And even though the reason for this is horrible, for the tourist it gives an extra dimension, not only in spontaneous casual conversations (we don't speak Ukrainian, and even less Russian, BTW) but also in noticing what sights etc are important to Ukrainians.
As a Swedophone Finn I found prf Umland's reticence in commenting on Swedish attitudes funny. I grew up with quite a good selection of 1850-1950 ish Swedish history books (for children, but not exclusively). The pre-wwii Swedish discourse on Russia is like listening to someone from the Baltic states, and this very deep seated suspicion has tended to peek through even before now.
I also didn't realise that Swedish would be difficult even to read for someone knowing both German and Ukrainian. I often find Ukrainian words that have clear Swedish cognates (probably via German), so I would have guessed that being familiar with a Germanic vocabulary in another language would make passive Swedish easy to pick up.
And since I'm writing a comment: Really good interview. And extremely good interviewer!
Ukraine is a Slavic language. I speak decent Russian, understand some Ukrainian and Slovakian, Bulgarian but very little Polish and Czech. Some Germanic languages are also difficult even if you speak Swedish and German, like Dutch and Danish are really difficult still.
Great interview!
As a Canadian,. I feel privileged to be able to hear your conversation in English because neither of you is a native English speaker and have your own cultural background in regards to the Ukraine. It is good to hear the perspective of people closer to this conflict. Thanks.
Regarding the comparison of russia and Germany in terms of post-war reflection, he forgot to mention that Germany was eventually occupied. Changing political and moral thinking under occupation is very different from staying an independent state with many losses and unachieved goal.
Great podcast and interview 😊😊!!!!
Thank you, Dr. Umland for a very informative interview. Especially the insightful explanation of Eurasianism. One could easily overlay cultural Marxism over Eurasianism in how the slow the behavior of the UN and EU towards Ukraine has been.
Great convo, thank you for that! There is only one thing that has to be addressed. Saying that the “german crimes are of a higher order” than the war in Ukraine is just very inconsiderate (and maybe even insensitive) if we look at this war as the continuation of Russia's centuries-long record of subjugation and oppression of Ukrainian people, which has been going on in one form or another since the 17th century. This is not to be neglected when a leader of a country lays claim to another nation’s historical land and proclaims the people to be a threat to their own existence. And then there is the Great Famine, which was at least as cruel and vicious as the Holocaust in its nature, if not more. Measuring genocide by the lives lost and ranking them by that account leads us to banal conclusions at best. In my opinion, what needs to be assessed is the emotions present in a collectivity regarding this conflict, what narratives revolve around them, and how those affect the way of taking and accepting responsibility.
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Interessante Analyse, es lebe Carl Zeiss Jena! 😮
I know Swedish and Scandinavian history. Yes, it is delineated by history and suspicion of Russian and Soviet imperialism.
Perhaps you also e-mail youre politicians to support Ukraine
It shatters my heart to pieces to see the wars and people crying when to end the war I say unambiguously the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. It is important that you understand I am not asking you to agree with me and everyone can be right or wrong, which doesn't mean I can not be right and humanity wrong. It is important that you understand you have nothing to lose. Are you ukrainian or palestinian or a mother or father of beautiful, innocent and vulnerable children? Would you share this loving poem to overcome the most severe and devastating censorship in history? It is important that you understand I am talking about knowledge that should not be censored in the first place because knowledge is good. I hope I am understood.
Do you wish to be ruled by Russia or USA?
Neither.🧐
I think that this guy is just who he is...! Who would love his country to be manipulated by the U.S like: France, Germany, Japan or Canada Who? Probably another German like this guy!.
Yes, you are probably right: perhaps this guy and maybe just a couple of other oddball Germans.
While we, the rest of humanity, dream instead of the delights we might one day enjoy _if only_ we could attract Russkiy mir to notice us and commence its loving manipulations.
Hello, little Russkitroll.