ROYAL NAVY 1960s COLD WAR PROMOTIONAL FILM "1400 ZULU" 71062

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  • @BigTrain175
    @BigTrain175 6 місяців тому +3

    Being a former United States Air Force communications' specialist I am very familiar with "Zulu" time. I was stationed in England for two years at RAF Chicksands. My wife was United States Navy based at the former RAF West Ruislip. We met on the railroad station platform at Flitwick in Bedfordshire back in 1985.

  • @peterhall728
    @peterhall728 4 роки тому +21

    The Buccaneer. Absolutely stunning aircraft. I love watching these films of the British armed Forces from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Its a bitter-sweet thing though as so much has changed.

  • @jimsharp5044
    @jimsharp5044 7 місяців тому +1

    My father served alongside with the Royal Navy. When he was based on Iceland, June 1941 through February 1942 he had a lot of respect for them.

  • @viktorhutt8956
    @viktorhutt8956 7 місяців тому +1

    I spent 23 years in the Flight Air Arm as an Avionics Engineer. Most times it was good, being seasick for 5 days maybe not so. My favourite ship? HMS Eagle.

  • @jimsharp5044
    @jimsharp5044 7 місяців тому +2

    As a US Marine. serving in the 1980s I had and still have a lot of admiration for the British military. God bless her allies today and always.

    • @PeriscopeFilm
      @PeriscopeFilm  7 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for your service Semper Fi

  • @robertcombs55
    @robertcombs55 7 років тому +13

    I Love these old films...I was in the USAF back then....

  • @flybobbie1449
    @flybobbie1449 4 роки тому +3

    Friends brother was on the carriers in 1965, radar and radio tech. He said his brother loved every minute being in the navy.
    I will have to show my friend. He said his brother would get flights in Buccaneers and Sea Vixen to check radio gear. Said he witness Gannet wing fold on take off, crew rescued, same happened some weeks later, crew lost. And an ejection seat just missed him when another pilot ejected as it fell back onto the deck.

  • @wotnotvintage7762
    @wotnotvintage7762 4 роки тому +4

    24:57 ... I spent nearly 48 years of my life at sea and never left a door swinging. Close it or hook it ... learnt that when I was first trip cadet!

  • @Oliverdobbins
    @Oliverdobbins Рік тому +2

    You know what’s a really fun thing to do when watching on of these sorts of military films? Every time the narrator says something like “the performance of this aircraft (or the specifications of this weapon system) are top secret”, you go and look up all the details of that formally top secret thing on Wikipedia. Long live the Internet!

  • @paulhampton5604
    @paulhampton5604 4 роки тому +8

    I applaud this film. The insidious base line creep which has occurred in the past 40 or 50 years, allows politicians of today to pretend or forget we ever had a true blue water navy. We did and we should again.

  • @michaelgreaves1009
    @michaelgreaves1009 4 роки тому +4

    Amazingly the Rating at 06:09 is using a Short Magazine Lee-Enfield No.1, first introduced in 1904 and superseded by the Rifle No. 4 in 1941. A tribute to the longevity of the SMLE No. 1 and to the then thrift of the RN

  • @simple_beys
    @simple_beys Рік тому +1

    11:33 one the gear were raised the buccaneer could descend to operational height.

  • @paul-we2gf
    @paul-we2gf Рік тому +2

    Seaslug was used in the Fslklands in 1982 to break up an Argentine air attack.

  • @COIcultist
    @COIcultist 7 років тому +6

    So many things I had to look up:
    The aircraft carrier near Gibraltar is also at 14.00 Zulu? Now Spain and Gib should because of their longitude be on GMT but apparently Gib ran some odd time options also.
    The Harrier wasn't a Harrier.I was initially guessing at a Kestrel but it is on view it's the even earlier P.1127
    The Buccaneer would compliment the Phantom? We were still flying Sea Vixens, we didn't get Phantoms till 69.

  • @philipemery5503
    @philipemery5503 7 місяців тому

    Can remember when entering Portsmouth Harbour there were warships 3 abreast on every Quay. Now you are lucky to see one or two beethed singurlarly

  • @alastairward2774
    @alastairward2774 Рік тому +1

    11:27 imagine going for a walk on that beach, looking down and seeing a Buccaneer fly past.

  • @freediverhd
    @freediverhd 9 років тому +5

    Technology these guys had is really impressive! Seems like pretty much everything as we have it today, but just in a more raw form.

    • @freediverhd
      @freediverhd 9 років тому

      ***** thanks oggi.. my old man actually sent me this video - he served in the Royal Navy roughly this period aswell.

    • @Biggles2498
      @Biggles2498 9 років тому +2

      +The Sceptic Hi Sceptic ,did you know many Sonar Operators became Commissioned Officers as Sub Lt. through their Technical Expertise ?

  • @Spookieham
    @Spookieham 6 років тому +7

    In the days when the lads still got their tot as well.

  • @MrDastardly
    @MrDastardly 5 місяців тому

    Wonderful colour films from times past. 👏👏👏

  • @henryvagincourt
    @henryvagincourt 9 років тому +31

    When we had a navy, in my time 1982 we still had a true navy, now, I'm not so sure.

    • @johnny_pilot
      @johnny_pilot 7 років тому +7

      +henryvagincourt: The best thing we had in '82, above the waves, were the Sea Harriers with gratefully US-provided Sidewinder missiles. Although we had many more ships, the weapons systems, let's face it, were questionable. I mean, apart from the decent, close-in, Seawolf VLS, Sea Dart struggled to hit a 747, and we had Sea Slug and Sea Cat, both of which were pretty lousy systems. Embarrassingly, we still had those well into the 90's!
      As an ex-RN submariner, I am at least proud of the 5 nuclear boats we had around the Falklands, the Conqueror, of course, being the single 'ship' that sent their navy back home, and prevented further loss to the surface fleet!
      Our Navy nowadays may be smaller in numbers but my god they are more powerful! Our latest and biggest ever attack submarines of the Astute class, are deadly silent and mightily potent, the Daring class destroyers are awesome in their weaponry and sensors, I have confidence in the stealth capabilities of the new 'STOVL' Lightning II's and we have two of the biggest Aircraft Carriers we've ever built (slowly) coming our way! Finally, we have the four SSBN's, (the boats that I served on last) the Trident missile submarines.
      Have no fear, henryvagincourt, we still possess a Navy to be very proud of, and, certainly with the two carriers and F35's, the most powerful in Europe! But let's not ignore the fact that we have powerful allies nearby in France, Germany, Italy and Spain. Together, we are a force to be reckoned with.

    • @allandavis8201
      @allandavis8201 5 років тому +4

      Brian Coley, totally agree, however, where does the manpower come from, the MOD is so underfunded that there wouldn’t be enough qualified seamen to man a row boat let a corvette or twenty, what was once the Navy to be feared by our enemies and admired by our allies is but a shadow of that Royal Navy.

    • @matteo4096
      @matteo4096 4 роки тому

      Still better than us (I from Italy 😢)

    • @brucewelty7684
      @brucewelty7684 4 роки тому +2

      @@johnny_pilot Trusting the Frogs and Krauts? Never a good idea.

    • @possiblyadickhead6653
      @possiblyadickhead6653 4 роки тому +5

      @@brucewelty7684 ah yea. Here we can examine the species of the Brexiter. A weird combination of a turtle hiding from the reality that Britain has lost its importance on the world stage and a lion that doesnt realize that without its heard its doomed already.

  • @ronniefarnsworth6465
    @ronniefarnsworth6465 2 роки тому +7

    If you told a Royal Navy man in the mid 1960s that the RN would only have about 25 first class surface warships of Aircraft Carriers, DDGs, FFGs they would think you were Daff !! Yet that is what the RN has in 2022' !!! Bloody embarrassing !!

  • @mrrolandlawrence
    @mrrolandlawrence 8 років тому +10

    Wow those chaps landing on the beach seem a tad exposed! Love these old films about the RN. Shame there is all the inter service rivalry that is destroying our capability today.

  • @Trek001
    @Trek001 9 років тому +31

    400 ships... Back when we had a Navy

    • @stephenchappell7512
      @stephenchappell7512 3 роки тому +3

      Sure back then we had the numbers but quite a few were WWII legacy ships which would soon be gone

  • @paintnamer6403
    @paintnamer6403 5 років тому +3

    Is that Lindybeige at 15:25? Man he gets around!

  • @richardprice7763
    @richardprice7763 Рік тому +3

    Sea Slug scoring a bullseye on every test? Sure...

  • @morriganravenchild6613
    @morriganravenchild6613 9 років тому +11

    Regretfully it seems to me that this current shower running our country have forgotten the important message in the closing shot ("Articles of War 1661") to the detriment of our safety and security..

    • @rivco5008
      @rivco5008 9 років тому

      what is the closing shot in the 1661 articles you're talking about, does it have to do with always having a strong navy?
      If so, Britain is not living up to it because I believe the UK naval forces have become dangerously small.

    • @morriganravenchild6613
      @morriganravenchild6613 9 років тому +5

      +Californian
      At 30:41 is a quote taken from The Articles of War (British) stating the important principal of GB maintaining a strong navy. As you rightly observe the UK's naval forces are way under strength. My comment was drawing attention to this fact and that our political leaders have allowed this to happen.

    • @themotherfucker8040
      @themotherfucker8040 7 років тому +1

      Morrigan Ravenchild the royal navy the British army and the royal air force all will be getting expanded in man power and ships planes etc in the next couple years after Brexit is completed

    •  7 років тому +4

      True Carriers ? Without fixed-wing AEW ? Mate , that's only a bigger Invincible.

  • @SteveBarratt1
    @SteveBarratt1 8 років тому +9

    Shock and awe! These guys would wipe the floor with today's "fleet" - even though there's a 50 year technology gap!!!

  • @PenzancePete
    @PenzancePete 4 роки тому +4

    "the movement of 400 ships....".
    The Royal Navy now has more Admirals than ships.

    • @fantom5894
      @fantom5894 2 роки тому

      400 ships? That's more than the USN has now

    • @lestermay5878
      @lestermay5878 Рік тому

      An urban myth and not true even today. Check your facts shipmate!

  • @rivco5008
    @rivco5008 8 років тому +7

    Re: the Seaslug missile, what were the circumstances that brought that weapon into service? Was there any competing missile when the RN was deciding what system to use?
    The huge & elaborate launch structure, the sheer size of Seaslug with those boosters. The ship-impact, even on those big County-class vessels, was, from what I've read, enormous.
    Just curious...

    • @drawingboard82
      @drawingboard82 7 років тому +1

      Californian I'm not an expert but my understanding was that it was the best that could be done and the only product available. It was practically obsolete by the time it entered service and was replaced in theory by seadart with which I am somewhat more familiar. Seadart itself had a mixed reputation but it has killed people intentionally so I don't think it was as bad as all that. By the time it was withdrawn in the late naughties however it would have been of no use.

  • @migmadmarine
    @migmadmarine 5 років тому +3

    tales of seacat and seaslug..cheerio!

  • @Ferr1963
    @Ferr1963 3 роки тому +2

    12:26 When these Buccanners took off, there were no underwing bombs. I guess they were armed in flight.

  • @pedalingthru2719
    @pedalingthru2719 2 роки тому +1

    It's sad to see the condition of the navy now compared to what it was back then

  • @K1W1fly
    @K1W1fly 3 роки тому +1

    Frigate F104 HMS Dido, became HMNZS Southland in New Zealand Service.. Thought the number was familiar...

  • @allandavis8201
    @allandavis8201 5 років тому

    Wow, titles not even finished, and then guess what happens, yup, you got it, adverts, get to many of them on normal tv 📺, let alone on here, and don’t say buy the ad free version, waste of money, and as long as adverts are sensibly spaced and not every few seconds (yes, I have seen videos that have ads every 20-30 seconds) it’s ok.
    Thanks for sharing this interesting look back at history. 👍🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @brucewelty7684
      @brucewelty7684 4 роки тому

      are you on a computer or a smart phone? If Computer Ad Blocker for You Tube

  • @allgood6760
    @allgood6760 3 роки тому

    Thanks from NZ 🇳🇿👍

  • @alexanderagnew2944
    @alexanderagnew2944 9 років тому +6

    Think I'm the three ringer in anti flash gear talking on the headset and tweaking switches, (almost said knobs).

    • @PeriscopeFilm
      @PeriscopeFilm  9 років тому

      +Alexander Agnew Very cool. Let's just assume it's you Alex! Where do we send the royalty cheque?

    • @Biggles2498
      @Biggles2498 9 років тому +1

      +Alexander Agnew You were a Commander Sir ? I salute you I was just a young 3rd officer on Tankers !

    • @alexanderagnew2944
      @alexanderagnew2944 9 років тому

      +Roy C Horton Was that with the BTC. I bet your cap was a 'Forty Knoter' like my uncle Alex.

  • @mike.47
    @mike.47 5 років тому +1

    1960. Aden. I was there.
    I was only 8 but I was there.
    I wonder if that carrier was H.M.S. Bulwark. I remember going aboard her when she came alongside in Aden.

    • @stephenchappell7512
      @stephenchappell7512 3 роки тому

      The Commando Carrier would be either Albion or Bulwark.
      In addition both the Vic and Eagle are shown representing the fixed-wing element

    • @lestermay5878
      @lestermay5878 Рік тому

      HMS Bulwark she was - B on the landing craft and helicopters.

  • @aaronsmith4378
    @aaronsmith4378 6 років тому +2

    What are those old Royal Navy helicopters called?

    • @jyralnadreth4442
      @jyralnadreth4442 6 років тому

      Aaron Smith Westland Wessex :) an older design is the westland whirlwind

    • @shaunmcclory8117
      @shaunmcclory8117 Рік тому

      Washing machines!😂 RIP your Majesty🙏

  • @haroldmcbroom7807
    @haroldmcbroom7807 6 років тому +1

    Do you think they've invented the drone with torpedo to replace the helicopter with torpedo? Things get so sophisticated on all sides, that any conflict on either side, the electronic accuracy would lead to devastating loss of life, or perhaps who runs out of counter-measures first!

    • @forcea1454
      @forcea1454 5 років тому

      In the 1960s the US had the QH-50 DASH.

  • @64curarine
    @64curarine 4 роки тому

    At 28:28 the HMS Dreadnought (S101).

  • @cogsofrust8630
    @cogsofrust8630 8 років тому +3

    very impressive

  • @bazwalk
    @bazwalk 9 років тому +1

    15.45 is Dead Bus Beach in Libya, how things have changed.

  • @Liddledriver
    @Liddledriver 4 роки тому

    As always budget cuts determine how effective the military can be. One of the reasons why the Falklands war was so devastating to British naval ships i.e. HMS Sheffield et al was the result of the elimination of aircraft carriers prior to the war. Because of the lack of traditional carrier bourne aircraft, most importantly early warning aircraft that could have flown at a high enough altitude to detect early on the Argentine A-4's and prevented the missile launches that took out British shipping. The stop gap solution was to use helicopters for early warning but because of altitude limitations the the helos did not have the over the horizon detection capabilities and combined with the topography of the islands it was a recipe for disaster. The Harriers acquitted themselves quite well under the circumstances but were hampered by an ineffective early warning system. If the UK had their traditional aircraft carriers things may have been quite different but we will never know. Today the modern multi billion dollar aircraft carrier is nothing but a giant target susceptible to submarines and hypersonic missiles that are almost impossible to defeat like the Chinese Silkworm missile. I am certain that we will see this scenario play out within a few years as the CCP attempts to invade Taiwan as promised by the party prior to the 100th year anniversary of the CCP in 2021.

    • @photoisca7386
      @photoisca7386 4 роки тому

      I think you will find the AEW Seakings did not come in to service until after the conflict. EMI strapped a modified Searchwater radar, mounted in an inflatable bag, to the side of the helicopter. However, your observation is probably otherwise correct.

    • @StaffSergeantMemes
      @StaffSergeantMemes Рік тому +1

      Silkworm is a old design from the Cold War, current air defense systems can defeat it quite easily. Hypersonic missiles do present the largest threat in the near future since there is no clear countermeasure. Carriers have always been vulnerable to submarines too, hence why they are always escorted by so many other vessels. The main thing with Carriers is that they are so expensive that during peacetime it can be hard to justify having a large number, but they can't be built quickly so during a war it will take years to manufacture just one. The Brits probably regret not keeping the Ark Royal around for the Falklands War.

    • @stephenchappell7512
      @stephenchappell7512 Рік тому

      I agree that the carrier's were scraped too early however technological advances has now rendered them as obsolete as the Battleship

  • @cogsofrust8630
    @cogsofrust8630 8 років тому +3

    impressive

  • @nemo6686
    @nemo6686 Рік тому +1

    Is that the poor Bronington, currently sitting aground in a Birkenhead dock?

  • @SquillyMon
    @SquillyMon 4 роки тому

    8:58 ... Nice footage from the swimming pool guys.

  • @fantom5894
    @fantom5894 2 роки тому

    7:22 Westland Wessex AKA Sikorsky H-34

  • @Bruce-1956
    @Bruce-1956 8 років тому +7

    '400 ships', now that's a navy.

    • @ancientmariner3077
      @ancientmariner3077 5 років тому +2

      Bruce baby, it was a very old navy. Lots of ships dated beck to WW2. I know. I served from 63 - 74.

  • @daniellapus636
    @daniellapus636 Рік тому

    The British invented the aircraft carrier.i hope that they have the ability to build them once the queen Elizabeth class vessels are retired in the future

  • @andrslnks4804
    @andrslnks4804 4 роки тому

    What about those ropes for launching the jets, are they lost? Or harvested by the ship's propellers?

    • @matthaxx7137
      @matthaxx7137 4 роки тому +2

      The steel ropes are called catapult bridles and with all RN carriers they are lost with every launch. They sink way too fast to get tangled in the screws. The US and French navies caught them in 'bridle catchers' at the end of the catapult. I guess they must have cost about £300 each in today's money so a lot of money in the drink, but insignificant compared to the £5000 per hour to fly a Buccaneer.

    • @andrslnks4804
      @andrslnks4804 4 роки тому

      @@matthaxx7137 cool. Thanks for that

    • @andrslnks4804
      @andrslnks4804 4 роки тому +1

      Harvestet by ships propellers. I love my joke the best... 😂

    • @RiflemanMoore
      @RiflemanMoore 4 роки тому +1

      @@matthaxx7137 Not quite so, HMS Ark Royal (R09) was modified (I think on her last major refit before decommissioning) with bridle arrestors on both bow and waist catapults.

  • @raspy6354
    @raspy6354 3 роки тому

    My grandad at 14:48 the one handing the other man motars

  • @Boppinabe
    @Boppinabe 8 місяців тому

    The UK had a navy. Once, a long time ago.

  • @allandavis8201
    @allandavis8201 20 днів тому

    I have been taking a walk down memory lane recently, mainly for personal reasons but also because I wanted to see the era when we actually had a Navy, Army and R.A.F, with everything going wrong in the world and the systematic destruction of our armed forces by consecutive governments I have a hard time believing that our “modern”, lol 😝, military could fight its collective self out of a soggy paper bag.

  • @wotnotvintage7762
    @wotnotvintage7762 4 роки тому

    1:13 ... SS Canberra

  • @granskare
    @granskare 4 роки тому

    the first Buccaneer was made by the Brewster company. In USA

  • @paulharris3149
    @paulharris3149 Рік тому

    14 days wow

  • @calvinhobbes7504
    @calvinhobbes7504 5 років тому

    IMHO the UK has the best natural sailors in the world .... it's in their centuries-old DNA. If the Brits had the kind of budget we in the US have for our navy, they'd rule the seas by now .... just by default!

  • @farmerdave7965
    @farmerdave7965 8 років тому +1

    verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting

  • @johnmercury2272
    @johnmercury2272 3 роки тому

    Love those Buccaneers

  • @davidlanghorn5814
    @davidlanghorn5814 9 років тому +3

    the county class destroyer looks like hms Hampshire , towards the end of the film I,m sure it says Hampshire on the stern I served on her 1975 she was paid in 1976, great ship great grew I then joined the frigate danae the captain was sandy woodward , who went on to command the Falkland task force , a truly amazing man , he had the up most respect for the lower deck and no respect for stuck up officers who thought thay were better , the best captain I ever sailed with

    • @Trek001
      @Trek001 9 років тому +1

      +David Langhorn Thats Hampshire alright... I'd know that ship anywhere

  • @05017351
    @05017351 5 років тому

    Idon'tunderstand why this is considered a "propaganda" film. If this were about the US Navy is would be considered a factual documentary.

    • @chrishutton1458
      @chrishutton1458 4 роки тому

      It's a matter of perspective, which in-turn is coloured by your own beliefs.

  • @raybin6873
    @raybin6873 2 роки тому

    🇺🇸 GO NAVY

  • @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
    @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 2 роки тому

    Either helmets of the era were utter shite or British troops and their superiors just didn't care. I almost never see them wear any helmets in these old movies, only berets. It only seems to be from the 80's onwards that wearing helmets becomes the norm.

    • @fantom5894
      @fantom5894 2 роки тому

      Wasn't the late-war turtle helmet still in use back then?

  • @kresnoadiwibowo2856
    @kresnoadiwibowo2856 Рік тому

    Tribal class fregate

  • @simple_beys
    @simple_beys Рік тому +1

    Rule Britannia.

  • @whirledpeas3477
    @whirledpeas3477 2 роки тому

    Comment # 101 and nothing to comment 😮

  • @jasons44
    @jasons44 6 років тому +1

    At a time when they lost so much of there empire and continuous loss of territory due to revolt or ask to leave

  • @txyz9294
    @txyz9294 5 років тому +1

    Of course this flick was made back when England still had aircraft carriers --- before they cut them all up for scrap and let the American Navy then assume protection for their ports
    from Russian probes. Only recently have the Brits finally built their now 1 and only aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth. US Navy still provides bulk of protection for them.
    Why not, its a damn sight cheaper for them, as well as Germany and many other European countries to let the US protect them and pay for it. Then along came Trump and told them
    its time they stepped up and paid their 2% share into NATO to protect themselves for a change, even though the US still pays well over 5%. US has twice bailed out France and
    England from 2 world wars, its about time they start to do their fair share --- after all both those world wars were European wars that the US was called upon to save their asses...
    One thing for sure though, the Rothschild clan made out like filthy rich bandits from both of those wars. That usually happens when they were financing both sides of the war.
    Ticked Rothschilds off when Hitler tossed old man Rothschild's son out of control of the Bank of Germany in WW2. His other sons ran the Banks of England, France and the
    Bank of America. Real "coincidence" huh ! Just little known facts of those world wars that you hear but very, very little about. No wonder Rothschild clan is the richest family
    in the entire world huh !!!

    • @paulfisher8753
      @paulfisher8753 5 років тому +1

      Er, the 2nd is at sea as we speak.......

    • @Matelot123
      @Matelot123 4 роки тому +2

      Got to say it's rare to see so much ignorance crammed into one post but you did it! Well done. :)

    • @StaffSergeantMemes
      @StaffSergeantMemes Рік тому

      Dude quit spitting facts it upsets the sheeple.

  • @sureshkumardhal1539
    @sureshkumardhal1539 9 років тому

    Hi guys

  • @frederickmiles327
    @frederickmiles327 9 років тому +5

    The Blackburn Buccanear is the most awesome strike aircraft of the cold war, nominally its a British plane, but I've never believed Blackburn really designed it, after the skua and ghastly firebird, they could have done no more than, draughting on this baby. My understanding is that most of the thinking and real design was done in the United States East Coast in the early and mid 1950s and a more advanced design than what became the Grunman Intruder. The basis of the Buccanear was passed to Britain, because the ability of the Buccanear to operate from small carriers was absolutely against the political strategy of the US Navy to get big carriers. Churchill didnt like the project at all, because he didnt want that level of conventional strike capability and it was so good it might actually penetrate Russian defences and it didnt fit the British deterrent policy at all.

    • @osten4
      @osten4 7 років тому +22

      I was a part of the Buccaneer design team - it was not conceived or designed in the U.S., it was designed in total in Brough a small village in East Yorkshire. The design was in response to a Royal Navy specification. The design team was comprised of Blackburn engineers and a sizeable group of engineers and designers from aircraft companies all over the U.K. who brought modern inventive thinking to the project. Highly successful aircraft which the Royal Air Force adopted in addition to the Royal Navy.

    • @phillipmarlow8673
      @phillipmarlow8673 5 років тому +2

      Frederick, you’re talking shite.

    • @QqJcrsStbt
      @QqJcrsStbt 4 роки тому

      US looked at the Blackburn Buccaneer, did everything they wanted apart from their ground attack spec. Grumman came up with the A-6 to replace the A-1 Douglas Skyraider. Both the Blackburn (Hawker-Siddley) and the Grumman were very good at what they were required to do, just not the same. I like them both.

    • @dulls8475
      @dulls8475 4 місяці тому

      Fredy what a pigs ear of a post that is.