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How to Balance Zhiyun Crane 2S | With Blackmagic Pocket Camera 6K
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2020
- Can you balance a fully rigged out Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K on the new Zhiyun Crane 2S? In this video, we will show you the things you need to watch out because the Blackmagic Pocket 6k is a very heavy setup for any gimbal, but not the Zhiyun Crane 2S. We will show you step by step how to safely and securely balance a heavy camera on the Crane 2S.
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Start balancing the Zhiyun Crane 2S: 3:50
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Hey man, found your channel while trying to find battery solutions for my bmpcc4k and followed your tilta npf battery solution and it helped me heaps! Love your videos, really appreciate the value you provide man! Your videos have helped me out heaps becoming a better filmmaker and UA-camr. Keep up the great work bro!
Thank you so much for your kind words and support! It means a lot to me! I'm so glad that you found the videos helpful! I will keep working hard to make more videos in the future! Good luck to you too! Have a great day!
Great video man, super helpful. @5:35 you would be able to slide that plate in a lot easier if you pressed in that little latch on the bottom plate.
Thank you so much for your support and suggestion!
Glad I stumbled upon your channel. Buying the BMPCC 6K soon and I'm going to refer to this video over and over again LOL
That’s awesome! Im excited for you too! Thank you for supporting the video!
if you balance you camera, try to remember the numbers. it will make it so much easier, especially if it slides off accidentally :) it's there for a reason
very helpful thank you so much
You are very welcome!
So informative, thanks dude 👍
You are very welcome! I’m so glad that you found the video informative! Thank you so much for your support!
It's designed for front heavy lenses, if you use smaller native lenses I add front weights to be more stable
Ty for sharing!!!!
You are welcome! Thank you so much for supporting the video!
Also got this gimbal this week.it.s super heavy by itself agree with you.also tripod legs are too small.i have it for A7S3 with Ninja V on extra side handle.It.s very prone to fall to side after even a small touch.very wobbly.
Hi Henry, Thx for the video. I got the pocket4k and cage, my gimbal is making huge huge noise with the tilt motor, even with a small camera, I thought it was a broken motor. It's shake out of control.
I just recieved mine today, but have some issues with the tilt axis. I balanced my BMPCC4K really well, but the tilt axis is always vibrating a little bit. If i change Motor strengh to middle, the vibrating is unbelievable. I upgraded the software and made a auto gimbal calibration but nothing helps.. I dont really know what to do because it should work. I use BMPCC4K and Sigma 18-35.
same thing for me.. have you find an answer?
@@Karlos3203 i fixed it by using the raiser plate and lens support. Dont know why it helped but now it works.
@@alexanderbarth1912 thank you bro let try this :)
@@Karlos3203 please tell me if it worked for you
@@alexanderbarth1912 i tried your solution and help me with the vibrations .. but now i have other problem.. the video see a little jitter.. i see mi steps in the video.. its normal? i have the motors in low because in the other options hve so much vibrations-- sorry mi english :(
may you control REC start stop from gimbal ? and how what type of cabel you need ?
Funny and Fun Video... this is my 1st time viewing your Channel...
i wanted to ask... have you added a "MatteBox" with your Camera on this Gimbal?
Hi Henry. After see your video I buyed this gumbal, and I'm trying to you with a bmpcc 6k and a sigma 18 35. But even after I balace it, the motor vibrates like crazy. Do you have same issue? how can I solve that? thanks for yout help
Same issue. Do you solve that?
Hi, we faced similar issue but we resolved it by adjusting the strength of the motors, you can give it a try! Hopefully they will update the gimbal firmware to make it easier for the users in the future! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
@@henrymediagroup thanks for your reply. By streght of motor do you mean (low medium high) or do you mean the 1-10 adjustment for pan and tilt?
That's a great question! I meant the low medium high. I think we adjusted it in the app. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
@@henrymediagroup thanks so much for your support. My last question. Since I don't have an iphone, I don't have access to zy play. So, this settings you mentioned to control the motor strength on zy play is the same those I find on the chane 2s menu, that mean, I can only adjust to (low medium and high) or in the app I will find more advanced settings to control the strenght of the motor? Thanks
Just wanted to say that I received my crane 2S and I had problems sliding in the plate in the mount in the beginning too (5.25m mark in your video). However something just “un clicked” after the initial attempt to slide it in and now it’s slides in and out effortlessly. Try pushing that underneath button a few times which I think is what wound up releasing the semi-closed state. It’s kind of like it shipped in a semi locked position and it was stuck that way until it finally freed up (I did get a tiny scratch on my plate during my initial attempts to slide in the mount but now it slides in smooth as butter and still locks tight when I push the lever to lock it in place. Hope this helps.
That's awesome! Thank you for sharing your experience with us! I did try pressing the bottom button but it didn't help much, but I will keep trying and it should be smoother later. Hope you are enjoying your Crane 2S! Thank you so much for supporting the video!
Yes it’s something about that lever and the plate that pushes downward to lock the manfrotto plate into it’s slid in position. The design is so that when the lever is tightened it pushes down on the plate. When mine arrived it appeared that the plate was stuck in a slightly pushed-down position. So I had the manfrotto plate partially slid in, locked it, and then played with that release button on the underside of the lever. That’s when I heard a slightly clicking sound which apparently released the push down plate back upwards just enough so that we now had proper clearance whenever the lever is put back into the unlock position. Now the manfrotto plate moved very smoothly/freely in and out of its slot whenever the lever is in the released position, but when the lever is tightened again, the plate lock is nice and secure! I am thinking that when shipped the lever got locked but with no manfrotto plate installed it wound up making the downward pressure plate “stick” in a slightly pushed down position which caused the manfrotto plate to hit that downward plate causing the problem we had in the beginning getting the manfrotto plate inserted. I’m probably gonna love this gimbal but it won’t get a workout from me until my Sony A7S III arrives. .... Cheers to all!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and method! I will definitely give it a try! I’m excited for you to use the gimbal with the A7Siii! Definitely keep us updated! Take care and thank you so much for your support!
@@RayRayNNj still recommend it ?
@@husariaproductions4240 Yes I still think I fell in love with the gimbal at least a little bit. But man oh man it is heavy. Especially the way I have it rigged up with all these extra nato rails and accessories. But to be honest if the DJI carbon fiber had come out first I would’ve definitely have gotten that instead🚦
Nice, I just got it myself. I'm having a problem activating my gimbal. Can you do those setups without the activation?
I'm trying to get the QR App... By the way, you did a good explaining. .
I think you do need the app to activate the gimbal, or else it will stay in sleep mode. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your kind words and support!
Try flipping the top handle the other way around, so the long side of the handle points the same way as the lens so it does not hit. also - do you think this could take more weight than you have already easily? - I have the same setup, just with a Core SXW powerbase battery underneath
That’s a great idea! Thank you for that and I will definitely try it! Yes, I feel like the Crane 2S can handle heavier setup than mine in the video. The only concern I have is the single leg handling because it feels so heavy with all the weight on one leg, and I can’t imagine having a heavier setup on top than mine. I’m pretty positive that it will work with your setup as long as it is not that different from mine. But watch out because your setup sounds taller than mine. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support!
Guys, I have the same configuration of the bmpcc 6k + Core SXW powerbase battery and I would like you to tell me if everything works well since I have not yet decided whether to buy the crane 2s or save a little more and go for the crane 3s. Thank you
That’s a great question! I don’t have the Core SXW powerbase battery, but if it weights around the same as a general v-mount battery I think both gimbals can handle it. I will consider getting the Crane 3S because you can distribute the weight to two arms better if the setup is heavy especially for low angle. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support!
@ did you end up going with the 3s?
just got my crane 2s for my pocket 4k and when I go to low mode it shakes and freaks out. do you experience the same thing?
That’s a great question! Thank you for sharing your experience! With my setup of BMPCC 6K, full Tilta cage and Sigma 18-35, the motors have no problem in low settings, but they shake very badly when it is in medium or high mode. My situation is weird because it should be the other way around. If it shakes in low mode that should mean the motors need more power. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support!
Henry Media Group oh sorry I meant to clarify. I meant when you are getting a slow shot , I’m trying to get a low angle shot with the gimbal and the second the z access gets to the top of my camera it vibrates like crazy.
I see. We haven’t experienced that maybe because we didn’t go low enough with the gimbal. I think that is a known issue since the Crane 3S because of the weight distribution of the BMPCC, I thought they fixed it on the 2S. I hope they can fix it with a software update in the future. Definitely keep us updated on your side too!
Henry Media Group will do thanks! You have inspired to try and keep more of my rig on the gimbal lol. I stripped it down but imma start adding stuff to it
Thank you for sharing your experience with us too! Haha, yeah, we were looking for a gimbal that we don't need to remove anything from the camera and this one works very well! Good luck and be careful because it will be a very heavy setup! Thank you so much for your support!
I received mine last week! But when I tried mounting the camera I discovered that my quick release plate wouldn’t slide into the quick release baseplate at all. It's not even like yours, which is very tight aswell, but you can at least slide it in. Mine just won't budge. I can slide it in for like 1/4 but then it's just stuck. And when I want to pull it out I have to use a lot of force. That can't be good. So I'm going to return mine an hopefully get a new one. You think there are some people with faulty plates? You're also the first one on UA-cam that talks about the tightness of the mounting plates. If I look at other reviews it seems that the plate is easily slid on. The whole idea of quick release seems to go to waste with this problem.
Thank you for sharing your experience with us! Yeah, for some reason the quick release plate is so tight and it defeats the purpose of quick release. Hopefully they will fix it in future production. Good luck and keep us updated! Thank you so much for your support!
Hello Amber. See the thread above when we talk about the problems with the plate insertion and how I fixed mine.
Hey Henry! Just came across your video. I'm having some issues with my bmpcc6k on the Crane 2s. Without a cage with the Sigma 18-35mm, works perfectly. But when I add the tilta cage, even when its perfectly balanced it vibrates like crazy. In every mode! Tried everything I can think of, done the auto balance etc.
But yeah.. wondering if you've had any similar issues?!
Hi! Yes it happened to us before and we did one thing to fix our problem, hopefully it will help with yours too! Do not use the auto balance mode because it will adjust the motors to a wrong power mode maybe because the heavy and weird shape of the BMPCC. Try to do the auto balance with a lighter camera. After that, set it to low power mode and then balanced the fully rigged BMPCC. From that on try to adjust the motors power mode manually and try not to use auto balance. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support!
Hello, have you solved the vibration problem? I am considering buying this model...
Maybe I should look at side 3s, and the cage handle will not interfere constructively?
That’s a great question! The vibration issue is still there, hopefully they will fix it with software updates in the future. For the cage handle, you will have to make the roll axis arm shorter with the provided tools, then it will be ok. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support!
@@henrymediagroup Thank you, I subscribed to the channel after that, please make more such applied content, it helps a lot.
Can you make a video about a cage and a handle in the near future?🤗
Great Video Henry, Thanks Do you still recomend the crane 2s for the bmpcc 6k?
You are very welcome! Yes, I still recommend the Crane 2s for the BMPCC 6K because it is the smallest gimbal on the market right now that can balance the wide shape of the BMPCC 6K without any additional counter balance. It is just a very heavy setup. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support!
@@henrymediagroup agreed. I got the weebill and it feels like the 6k is gonna fall off at any second.
Yeah, the BMPCC6K is a very heavy camera and it has a very unique shape only heavy duty gimbals can handle it well. Thank you so much for your support on the video!
Great video. Quick question, with this gymbal camera and lens of your video, do you need to buy a follow focus system, or you can do the focus just with the gymbal?
That's a great question! You do need to get a follow focus system because if you connect the BMPCC6K to the gimbal you can only use one click auto focus and it is not continuous. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your kind words and support!
Awesome! Can I balance bmpcc 6k without any cage or additional weight? On the crane 2s
That’s a great question! Yes, you can balance the BMPCC 6K without a cage. Regarding additional weight, it depends on how much you are adding and the shape of the weight. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
Will this work with the BMPCC 6k pro?
Hello Friend. Tell me, when you move forward or backward, there is no shaking or jerking?
Hey Henry, that was a very helpful video, thank you for making it! Question: I'm using an OG Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera (1080p one) that is very slightly rigged with a half cage. Lens is also the Sigma 18-35mm. So far neither the Moza Aircross 1 nor the Moza Air 1 that I have tried works with it. Do you suppose the Crane 2S would be a good gimbal for my setup?
Hi Charles, thank you so much for your kind words and support! That’s a great question! We have never used the Moza Aircross 1 and the Moza Air 1, but if you know that those gimbals are not able to handle your setup because of the payload, you can definitely compare it to the Crane 2S. The Crane 2S is made for heavy setups, so if your setup is within the payload range, it should be fine. The best way to find out is to contact Zhiyun with your setup details, they are very helpful. Hope it helps!
I'm confused! Only with camera or with half cage on it, the tilt motor has some vibration. The footages are still great but ruin my audio.With half cage, monitor and mic on top i have no issues. I've tried everything. (auto tune,manual mode, levels)
I HAVE some insues with full cage on it mi video see a little jitter.. i can see mi steps in the video. ..i tried everything too... maybe the tild axes need some extra weight.. have you thiis issue too? sorry for mi english
it is better than the rs2 ?
Good video, really helpful. I have a ronin s right now and blackmagic 6k is an issue rigging. Does this have the same battery like as ronin s?
Thank you so much for your kind words and support! Yes, the Blackmagic 6K has a very wide body that the Crane 2S is one of the very few gimbals that can balance it without problems even when the camera is rigged out. No, the Crane 2S has batteries that look like AA batteries. Hope it helps!
Henry Media Group I also see ronin is coming up with new gimbal lol so let’s weight till I decide but ya this looks amazing , u took the whole cage too and rigged it lol it’s awesome
That will be awesome if DJI is coming now with a more powerful Ronin! I’m definitely excited for that! Haha, yeah, I literally put my whole handheld setup on the gimbal and it was totally fine handling it.
Hi. What's the battery adaptor?😀
That's a great question! I'm using the NPF battery plate from Tilta to have a lighter setup. Hope it helps! Thank you for your support on the video!
Hee Henry, superhelpful video. I have a problem with activating this gimbal. After balancing the camera and turning the gimbal on the gimbal immediately starts in a sleeping mode with a moon and Z symbol. It doesn't seem to respond at all. Any idea what might be the problem? I have a BMPCC 4k + full rig + with sigma 18-35 on it.
That is an excellent question because I had that problem too! You need to download the Zhiyun phone app to connect and activate the gimbal, or else it will not work. Hope it helps! Keep us updated! Thank you so much for your kind words and support!
@@henrymediagroup You're right. Could have figured that out for myself if I actually read the manual😂 Sorry!
No worries! I didn’t read the manual too, but I’m happy that I’m able to help! Good luck and thank you so much for your support!
I just have one question Brother!!! can I balance my Bmpcc 4k without the Cage??? Because every video I watch Everyone uses the cage on 2s!!
That’s a great question! Yes you should be able to balance the camera without a cage because I have tried using a smaller and lighter camera than the BMPCC and it worked fine. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
@@henrymediagroup Thanks a Lot Brother!!!!
You are very welcome! Good luck and keep us updated on your experience!
What's the weight of your camera setup? I have tried to find out the stated weight capacity of the Crane 2s, but it's not mentioned anywhere. My pocket 4K rig weighs 4.3kg (with mic setup and handle) and from some videos that I've seen, the 2s is able to manage that load and then some, but no one mentions its actual capacity.
I'm not that big a fan of gimbals because I don't want to break down my rig just for gimbal use, but the 2s interests me because it seems to have been designed to accommodate longer, wider and taller rigs than many other gimbals, such as the FeiyuTech AK4500 that has a capacity of around 4.6kg. Though the FeiyuTech doesn't seem to have the same design that allows easy mounting of the fully set up Pocket 4K rig.
That’s a great question! Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts with us! My setup is about 3.5kg in the video. The Crane 2S is definitely capable of handling the weight. I agree with you, I’m not a big fan of gimbals if I have to break down the rig because it takes too long. The crane 2S definitely has a very wide and tall arms for cameras like the BMPCC, and that’s exactly why we got it. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support!
@@henrymediagroup Thanks for that, much appreciated.
You are very welcome! Thank you for your support!
How do you focus while using the gimbal?
That’s a great question! You can either use the USB C cable to trigger single center point focus or you will need to use the focus motor for the Zhiyun gimbals. Hope it helps! Thank you for your support on the video!
@@henrymediagroup thank you so much. If possible create a video demonstrating how to focus while using the gimbal. Subscribing right away.
We will try to get our hands on the focus motor to do that. Thank you so much for your suggestion and subscription!
Did you tune the gimble itself? I couldn't get mine to do it. I was using this setup to film a wedding and near the end of it the gimble started crashing and shutting off constantly (battery was not empty FYI).
I didn't have time to balance it very well so I'm assuming that was the issue.
That’s a great question! Yes, I tuned the gimbal manually because the auto tune feature makes the gimbal vibrates very badly. Give it a try and I hope it will work well next time! Keep us updated! Thank you so much for your support on our video!
Check on settings for motors.I bet you had if on light by default which is not for this setup correct option.
U need to balance your picture frame in the background lol
Hi! Hope you can help! I tried the bmpcc4k on the gimbal with a tilta full cage and slr magic 25mm and it vibrates like crazy! I did it without the cage and it worked fine. I think my setup is lighter than the one you have on so do you have any idea why that happens? I tried all the motor settings. Is it because the lens is too light?
That's a great question! I don't think your setup is too light because I tried to balance a Panasonic G7 on it and it worked perfectly fine without any vibration. If you are using the auto tune feature, I would suggest you not to use it and change the motor strength manually because my gimbal vibrates crazily when I use the auto tune feature. Hope it helps! Keep us updated and thank you so much for support the video!
Henry Media Group i tried all the motor settings but still no luck! Heres a video for reference! streamable.com/cgyqx5
that's what I found out :
-switch button isn't configurable, and only switch to F-Mode
Side motor not anymore movable 360 like in crane2, so you can only
-Inevert mods only possible to go over right motor, when gimbal is on, it moves crazy
-Automode can wind the battery case or Tripod
-Plastic tripod is a shame , all-time wobble - I used the metal one form old Crane 2, and all is fine
-with GH5 and 12-60Kit lens can get to hard shaking, when its looked up, and you use lens support.
crazy that this only happens when cam is 90 up and all is well stabilized...seems motors have to much power,
and you can't reduce power enough
-and not possible to use Phone cam for app like in other combinations, and video live view only possible with transmitter
(which don't have camera connection cables)
-new extern controller, no more a real joystick like at crane 2, and no more a real big Know for follow focus...thats sad. and old controller
will not be usable, told me the service
Hi
Is it just me or does the crane 2 seem more stable than the crane 2s? it's driving me mad lol
First
Am I the only one that's going to say anything?!?! This whole video is completely out of focus, no excuses for this cause I caught this on my phone watching @ 720 in the 1st 30 seconds