@@ryanleolove1452 My parents are the first unhinged arguments I ever saw… oddly enough it feels nostalgic when I visit home & they are arguing about stupid shyt. 🥰
@@Siythawr4ith that’s the point he’s speaking as if it’s 100% fact he’s wrong ur father can be a sucker / weak/ a thief / drug addict/ Alcoholic / abusive/ predator
Yes, it's extremely condescending. He lacks compassion for people in the black community. That's not nothing to poke at or make fun of and I see this too often even told to women. No one is born with a full deck of cards. We all missed out on something. No one is above the other.
This whole thing started because Esso believes that if you're upset about Kamala losing, then you lived in a single mother household. And not because you have foresight and understand consequences. LOL.
No man would ever teach their son to refer to women as bitches. Respect is the basis of any relationship and buddy clearly don't get it. Bro grew up with a man in the household but not a father. Shoutout to Ish for holding it down.
Statistics do show that a two parent household has far less criminals and drug addixts. But ish is just saying that a generality not a stone cold fact for every family. Two things can be right
Who said his pops taught him that. You can still pick things up from skool or streets. Single parent males are typically soft and emotional like they moms.
Men tend to speak with “aggressive emotion”, when talking amongst each other about the smallest things; Politics, religion, sports, music, culture, whatever… We may seem &/or are aggravated, but it’s basically “Barbershop talk”🤷🏾
@sosteady510 facts Men have heated arguments all the time on stuff they serious about I've seen dudes have heated arguments over Sneakers doesn't make them emotional
Being from the hood and having mostly friends being raised by single moms then going to college and being around mostly kids with two parents ( even if their dovorced), I definitely noticed a big difference. The biggest differences being emotional intelligence and conflict resolution.
Both of them right tho I’m from Jersey I came from a single mom but she took well care of me an my brother never was on welfare or food stamps Jamaican mom and my friends who had Jamaican moms was raised well never seen they mother smoked then I had two hood friends they were raised well meaning they wasn’t bad dudes but they mom an dad let them rome the streets an one of them became drug dealers they still good dudes tho but they mom an dad didn’t really set boundaries they was able to bring anybody to they crib to smoke an my Jamaican friends would ask me why they parents allow that but even us Jamaican dudes chose the streets as well even tho we was raised good then I had my ex she had her father in her life they talk all the time she’s a 100 percent good girl from the hood she don’t talk let no man disrespect her she don’t have a name in the hood an we both from Paterson nj point I’m making is both of them is right two parents can be bad parents but majority of the time is greatly helps to make a better child there’s no guarantee an all single moms don’t raise bad kids I seen it my mom was a good mom I chose the streets none of my brothers is street dudes single moms can be good moms to an two parents can be bad parents it’s just no guarantee
You can tell he thinks he’s a better human because he was raised in a two parent household. Classic case of conflation. Yes, having a father is important. No, it doesn’t mean everyone else is beneath you
Nah y’all victims always feel that way. And y’all are always painting yourselves to be lesser than. No different than these “colorists” BW constantly projecting What you speak and believe is far more impact on your life than. A father often times pushes a no-excuse/resilient belief system. Mothers push defeat and worries
You just can't comprehend. The point of this argument is: are children better with the father in the home? Esso said he can't relate which is true regardless if he went to his friend house and witnessed many different situations. Ish has a point when he say some relationships are dysfunctional but it don't take away from the important of having a father in a child's life as well as him being in the home. Unless thing are extreme, couple need to do better at working things out
Ish was right…He never disagreed with Esso…Ish only addressed there’s other experiences under the same dynamic…Ish agreed with Esso but Esso is one of those people that keep talking even tho they agreed upon the core of the argument…Ish basically said all both 2 parent households aren’t the same, and Esso view is since he never seen it, he don’t know as if it isnt possible…The incompetence is high
dawg! Esso need to go back and view himself on these episodes. he looks and sounds fucking crazy. Archaic was the perfect word that Ish used for him. no matter what the subject ever is, if Esso has no experience with it, then you dont know what you talking about 😂. Ish trying to explain to him that his first hand experience is his, and someone else can have another based on their first person experience. i think im done with BagFuel for a while lol. i cant hear the damn guests, Esso tells us every episode who he used to manage, and something is always wrong about the black community or creatives 😂 im out!
This is what makes the loud mouth emotional. Yoh can be passionate about something and hear what someone else is saying. It was a emotional decision on him to ignore it it
Ish is not totally right. His purpose in using the momma wears the pants sometimes in the 2 parent household dynamic. Was to go against Essos point that it's the man being present that leads to kids being more successful. Ish argument still validates Essos point because if that same woman who wears the pants in a 2 parent household was a single mother. The odds of her children being successful drop tremendously. So the man being there. Even though he takes on the weaker role. Still is the bigger contributing factor to the kids success. So Ish is right when saying that all 2 parent households aren't the same. I mean that goes without saying. No things are the same. But he said it in order to argue that if the mama is the leader of the 2 parent home. Then she is the bigger contributor to the kids success and not the man and that's not true. As I stated, if that same woman becomes a single mother. The odds drop tremendously. But if that man becomes a single father. The odds are not to far from the 2 parent household odds. Both are parents are equal in value. The role of father consists of structure, discipline, critical thinking, and problem solving. Which will help children be more successful than nurturing, consoling, and encouraging. But we need both for children to be fully developed and well rounded. Esso took this one.
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Real leaders know when to give the instructions, and when to listen or let others lead. Man can pay the bills and everything but leave the wife in full charge of managing the house unless he's needed. They could be saying the same thing but all the gassing and braking fcked up the whole convo 8:53
So 1 had a father in the home, and the other didn't, but they're both "arguing" in the same manner, loud and emotional...guess the father didn't change everything
Its too men arguing...knowing how to argue is a part of being masculine...when you see it go left the ninjas who would pull out a pistol or want to fight...ish crashout and don't even want to talk with Melissa ford...
Esso loud as hell and ignorant speaking from a limited experience..every man in a household doesn't take the lead.. Ish be on bullshit sometimes but he's right about this and non-emotional..Esso the one in his feelings lol
Nah stats support what esso was expressing over Ishs argument. Ish is saying that was the case for HIM...when numbers say that's the case for MOST people from 2 parent households ....the stats don't say "there's MADDD men that ain't shit" instead it shows there's more men that are, than not. Ish didn't understand that
@jupiter12ent Nah Ish did understand Esso's points..he never refuted the stats your also highlighting..what Ish did was add nuisance that the stats don't consider, which are just as valid.. if case studies that create the stats chose to consider additonal factors I'm sure Ish's point would be more substantiated..Additionally, Esso wasn't referring to stats, he was continually referencing his own experience which is probably why Ish gave his experience.. the fact that "stats" are aligned with Esso's POV is just irony
It’s a difference between a leader vs a dictator! There are households where the father was there and left no impact (mentally emotionally or spiritually). Everything isn’t black or white there are some grey areas and we should be open to it and respect it!
I grew up with a dad in the house and I can tell you some of the best men I know never had one. It depends on the person at the end of the day because I know some other folks that had a daddy and they ain’t shit.
80 percent of criminals come from single mother household. That's the vast majority. Majority of deadbeats come from single mother household as well. Majority of black boys who don't read at the proper reading level come from single mom household. The anomalies and personal experiences don't negate the majority of results brother
No one said all & your dad must be not good for you to speak as a women We talking facts out of 100% father their is a 40% who do worse or just as bad as single moms no one said all fathers do good But they do sure hell lot better then single moms Out of their 100 it’s 32 % do well that horrible odds
As a person who grew up with both parents that have been married for more than 50 years in HONOR, my father would never refer to his wife or any woman disrespectfully. It is a partnership. One could not exsist without the other. Respectfully. I LIVED IT.
If Esso didn’t say he was raised with a father (based on his own logic), I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between the two. So emotional your voice is going.
Fam men raise their voice in an argument it doesn’t have to mean anything until it does. Let niggas scream if they want to and stop pretending that you aren’t passionate about shit
Esso is too smart to make such a blanket statement and act like he KNOWS how it affects everyone. The fact that he literally said "I ain't never seen those" completely nullifies his point
As a man who had a father in the household from 7 years old that beat the shit out of my mom repeatedly, kicked us out the house multiple times, had CPS ( Child Protective Services) threatening to take my sisters away; I can definitely say that every two parent household isn’t golden. It is obviously ideal for the child to have both parents but it is not always better. Also there are some single mothers/ fathers that raised damn good kids .
That’s not a father, that’s a man with no control over his emotions. That’s the point esso is trying to make but everybody is focused on the yelling. If you have a real man in the household….. things go completely different for the most part.
I was born and raised with my biological mother and father in the house hold married and together for 39 years until my father pasted away last year. The man in the black sweat shirt does have some valid points
Why do people think that just because they yell or talk over someone that it will somehow make them right?! It’s easier to understand and respect your pov when you’re not screaming to the top of your lungs.
Esso is speaking his experience and generalizing and is wrong. Ish is correct, not all 2 parent households are the same. Yes, it's greater for a child to have both parents but it's not guaranteed.
Bro nothing in life is guaranteed but it’s about being intentional. If you’re going to have kids the best pursuit is to have both the mother and father raising the kids
The Man should the household no matter what if the women is leading any household is angry and it's out of order...If you comfortable with a woman or your momma leading some wrong
You can't have a conversation without generalizing.Nothing is all everybody knows that so why even bring up exceptions.The fact that ish is even trying to make that point let's you know who he was raised by
based on this interaction what difference has having a father in the household had on this gentleman? can’t get his point across without almost losing his voice, struggling to breathe or sounding excessively emotional? having a dad in the household is nothing to brag about if you’ve ended up the exact same way your friends who didn’t have theirs around have
I dont know a single dude who was raised in a two parent household that will downplay the importance of the male presence. That isnt to say that there arent bad fathers who can sometimes have a negative impact, but by and large, having a decent father is the most important backbone for a family. As Esso was hinting at, the government or "powers that be" know this which is why they incentivize black women to leave black men by enabling welfare/government assistance, prioritize women in family court (i.e., child support - search title IV-D - alimony etc.)
Having a bad father is NOT all that uncommon. Yes they're are plenty, probably even more people who had good fathers. But therr are LOTS of households that had terrible ones. Ish just brought up the weak ones but there are also some pretty terrible abusive strong ones. If your mom didn't stay with your dad back in the day there was likely a very good reason that don't have nothing to do with welfare. But welfare is all we hear about.
I swear New York is the only place where conversation sounds like a heated argument and it’s not just black ppl anybody from a burrow conversation seems to be like this
@lamargettens2370 .. one instance,i saw 3 guys shrieking in the manner Ish just did ,and more ..using hand gestures ( typical Italian style) only to realise ,they were debating on the price of gas!! I was SHOCKED 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hate this narrative that 2 parent households automatically make the kid “better off” yes a HEALTHY 2 parent household has a positive effect. But every household ain’t healthy. And plenty of kids who were raised by single parents wound up great quality human beings
Two parents from Brooklyn just got sentenced to prison for starving, beating, and eventually killing their young son. BOTH parents were in the household. Two parents being present means nothing if they don't operate in love.
@@Tyweezy84 you're literally arguing against facts.Yes it's possible to be successful with one parent but two parents gives you fat better chances .If we're being honest ,it's the single mother's actually bcuz single father raised kids chances are almost as good as the 2 parent households.But its definitely not a narrative
I hear you, but it's not about every house hold . It's about the majority of them. And when you have the manager, doing the owners job your business is going to fail 90%of the time. We love our moms but need our fathers. The problem is that they think they can do it without our fathers , and nothing doesn't last to Long without the king 👑 around..
Crazy thing a person will start screaming at you then when you start screaming back they lower they’re tone and call you emotional that is the funniest shit ever to me 😂😂
When I grew up in my neighborhood, there were not many fathers in the household. My Dad was the neighborhood pop's. He made a difference for those who didn't have a father it was said and shown how important he was to them.
I grew up in a 2 parent household and Esso is wrong. I am the example of what Ish is speaking about. My parents showed love with money. There was no emotional connection, meaningful conversation, quality time, life lessons taught, etc. It was stable, no abuse, and very calm. But I missed out on a lot of emotional connection that still affects me, my husband and children today.
This is what happens when you debate with people that don’t understand every human has a different experience although we share similarities but we’re not all the same. Some of us are more resilient than others but when a person isn’t tryna hear you, you gotta let them run they movie and go about YOUR business
The real problem is a lack of community. At the end of the day all these households step out the house and bring home new habits. Having both parents you see a wider perspective this allows you to gauge a situation but when the community is broken this right here will be the argument.
Ish is telling the truth. I’m the king in my home. I make all the executive decisions in my home. I have friends with 2 parent households and the father is depositing terrible things into their children. Esso needs too understand all homes aren’t the same. I’m from a 2 parent household too!
Esso is way too emotional for anyone to have a conversation with whether you agree with him or not. You can't tell a person that they don't know something just because it wasn't their life. I didn't grow up with my father in my life but I personally witnessed all of my friends having their fathers in their lives which made a big difference in their lives compared to mine. So having both parents matters but what matters most is having both parents being component and driven to push their children to be better than them and the best the can be. 5:34
After watching that I had to go back and rewatch how this evening popped off in the first place. This man said just because his friend was distraught over Kamala losing that he contributed that to him not being raised in a two-family household. Wow just wow 0:25
A man that was raised in a man led household shouldn't feel comfortable with a woman leading. That's he's poorly articulated point, amd he's absolutely correct.
Esso stop over talking him. He has a valid point. You can only speak for your own 7:15 family and how you grew 🆙 😂😂😂 all of that screaming, and hollering is not gonna get it sorry 😂😂😂
Parents married for 22 years before daddy passed and my mother was the decision maker because that was THEIR dynamic but at the same time they made big decisions together and when daddy told us something, we listened to him as well. My household is similar. We BOTH put food on the table. WE BOTH provide for the children. Been married 30 years and we don't own each other or lord over one another. Why is it so hard to believe that every body's household wasn't ran like his?
Im losing trust on esso’s point of view. Every family’s different. Just cus we grew up with both parents don’t mean we have the same point of view. And there was an episode when esso was speaking on how black people, whenever they have debates they scream and yell, without having a respectable debate with difference of opinions and now look at em without the hostility, yelling and screaming.
He’s right l. Dysfunctional two parent household cases are outliers and don’t undermine the overwhelming benefits that two-parent families offer for children’s emotional and economic well-being
@ginether6174 @ginethe6174 esso should do more research before speaking. The 2 parent home can provide a safety net in so many ways but if it is defuntional in which some are bad habits can be transferred relationship wise. Also ultimately as a adult you will be responsible for who you become.
My parents weren’t perfect, I definitely carry shit with me that affected me growing up. my father had his flaws and so did my mother but I wouldn’t trade my upbringing for nothing. I have an idea of what keeping the family together really means.
The majority of people in here commenting are saying esso is correct but not once have they actually stated what he was correct about. He stated that his friend was emotional over Kamala not winning which showed him that he didn't have two parents in the household so ish was like how did you get that from that. I swear people will just agree with anything sometimes and then argue to just argue. Its like some people refuse to comprehend things during conversations.
Thank you! I scrolled alll the way to this commnet trying to figure out why no one understood what Ish was fighting Esso about 😂. Ish agreed the father is important and a two parent household is importnat. he never said he disagreed with that. he only told him, its archaic to tell the woman of your life you a bitch and you gone deal with it. and every two parent household is not the same just becuase yours was that way. like why was that so hard to comprehend? 😂 all Ish is saying is just because i gave a woman respect doesnt mean im raised without a father 😂
It’s not just the parents being there it’s the QUALITY of their characters. Whether they are together or divorced the quality of a persons character has the MOST impact on a child. Y’all ain’t gotta do an episode of Crashout Z for this G lol
I was raised by my dad and was neglected to the streets because he was born in 1937 and wasn’t growing with the times and it took me years to recover and boss up
Esso is bugging, if you think because the man is supposed to be the leader he just talk to his wife any kind of way that is some disrespectful as shit and that’s a man that doesn’t value women as human beings.
exactly! i grew up with my father and mother in the house and they still together. i never seen him disrespect her by calling her a bitch and she gone deal with it lol!! thats crazy as hell. and i have no idea why the arguement people are dying on is you didnt grow up with your father if you believe women deserve resepct 😂.
Well I appreciated my Father! It’s 5 of us. He took care of us and raised us to be men! He didn’t play nor did my mom go against his ways of making us “Think” and be “Disciplined” men.. His presence just demanded the room and respect. He was a fun dad at the same time. My mother loved him and he loved her like I’ve never seen again in this generation. It’s crazy because he never made over $70,000 his entire life. Never got to retire. He died at 52 in his sleep. Me being 25 and the youngest messed me up. I’m thankful my older brothers just was copies of him. It’s like he never left. 🤷🏾♂️ It’s crazy how this is a big deal now..
No household is the same. Ish is right. Just because you have 2 parents in the household doesn't mean you will be successful. But studies DO SHOW that they are more than likely to succeed vs a child from a 1 parent household. Esso KEPT saying that's my lived experience yet he can't speak on Ish's lived experience by his logic as well. There ARE a bunch of households where the WOMAN runs the house! I have seen that as well. Personally, I have seen a LOT of Parental dynamics in my lifetime like most of us. So, there's no one way to do things. Every Father is NOT motivational and supportive. They simply PROVIDE. And hey, neither is every Mother! There's just not a simple answer
People with a 1 parent household cannot compare or know how it is to have a two parent household where both parents are doing their part. It does create a different mentality.
Ish is correct my cousin had both parents growing up but I always questioned how she had two kids before graduating High School. When we became adults she said “Although my dad was present in the home, He showed his kids no love or affection” She said he was mean and angry most of the time and was the sole provider that’s it. So she ended up a teen mom because she was looking for male attention and validation because her father never gave it to her at home. She ended up going to college and getting her masters with the help of her former Math teachers. She’s makes a great living now she’s also a grandmother of two at 44 yrs old. Her dad my uncle by marriage passed away of C-19 in 2021 and she said on his death bed was the 1st time he told her “I LOVE YOU” 😢 So with that being said just because a father is in the house doesn’t mean he’d present. 🙏🏾 I’m with Ish on this one.
A two parent household ain't teach him how to have a conversation like an adult 😂
Boom 😂
Facts
Lol always yelling
@@ryanleolove1452 My parents are the first unhinged arguments I ever saw… oddly enough it feels nostalgic when I visit home & they are arguing about stupid shyt. 🥰
Its podcast they have to go back and forth
Just because you have a two parent household doesn’t mean it was good upbringing
Exactly. Like, were both the parents healthy and mature? Or were they a bad influence?
Doesn't mean it wasn't either
@@Siythawr4ith that’s the point he’s speaking as if it’s 100% fact he’s wrong ur father can be a sucker / weak/ a thief / drug addict/ Alcoholic / abusive/ predator
That’s not the point
It's makes a big difference . Two parents but the mom could be unhappy or the mother pays all the bills
Throwing my dad was in my household in niggas faces is wild.
Yes, it's extremely condescending. He lacks compassion for people in the black community. That's not nothing to poke at or make fun of and I see this too often even told to women. No one is born with a full deck of cards. We all missed out on something. No one is above the other.
This whole thing started because Esso believes that if you're upset about Kamala losing, then you lived in a single mother household. And not because you have foresight and understand consequences. LOL.
its true tho just because it dont make you feel good dont make it any less true
😂😂😂😂😂
Very wild.
No man would ever teach their son to refer to women as bitches. Respect is the basis of any relationship and buddy clearly don't get it. Bro grew up with a man in the household but not a father. Shoutout to Ish for holding it down.
Statistics do show that a two parent household has far less criminals and drug addixts. But ish is just saying that a generality not a stone cold fact for every family. Two things can be right
Who said his pops taught him that. You can still pick things up from skool or streets. Single parent males are typically soft and emotional like they moms.
🎉🎉🎉 facts of life
Lmaooo Esso so ignorant as hell. He's conflating everything
How is preaching he had a father in the household but he's still super emotional
Men tend to speak with “aggressive emotion”, when talking amongst each other about the smallest things; Politics, religion, sports, music, culture, whatever… We may seem &/or are aggravated, but it’s basically “Barbershop talk”🤷🏾
@sosteady510 facts Men have heated arguments all the time on stuff they serious about I've seen dudes have heated arguments over Sneakers doesn't make them emotional
Tf is “emotional”?
@darnellwilliams8783 sir take a step back and look up the definition of emotion
@@darnellwilliams8783 It’s emotional. You don’t want to call it that because you have negative associations with the word emotional.
you cant debate anyone who turns their experiences or generalizations into absolute fact lol
THIS!!!! 💯 💯
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I’d never debate with excuse makers. Y’all keep those same people in their victimhood by validating their trauma
Toomuchbitchassness
Being from the hood and having mostly friends being raised by single moms then going to college and being around mostly kids with two parents ( even if their dovorced), I definitely noticed a big difference. The biggest differences being emotional intelligence and conflict resolution.
Esso picked up all his mother’s traits though😂
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Dawg 😂😂
Both of them right tho I’m from Jersey I came from a single mom but she took well care of me an my brother never was on welfare or food stamps Jamaican mom and my friends who had Jamaican moms was raised well never seen they mother smoked then I had two hood friends they were raised well meaning they wasn’t bad dudes but they mom an dad let them rome the streets an one of them became drug dealers they still good dudes tho but they mom an dad didn’t really set boundaries they was able to bring anybody to they crib to smoke an my Jamaican friends would ask me why they parents allow that but even us Jamaican dudes chose the streets as well even tho we was raised good then I had my ex she had her father in her life they talk all the time she’s a 100 percent good girl from the hood she don’t talk let no man disrespect her she don’t have a name in the hood an we both from Paterson nj point I’m making is both of them is right two parents can be bad parents but majority of the time is greatly helps to make a better child there’s no guarantee an all single moms don’t raise bad kids I seen it my mom was a good mom I chose the streets none of my brothers is street dudes single moms can be good moms to an two parents can be bad parents it’s just no guarantee
@@Ontiming2023... really bruh
Bro act so much like a female I'm bout to turn this video off. I can't listen to all this screaming. A damn shame.
This video inspired me to start an argument with my supervisor at my job
Go for it!! Just don’t get fired bro 😂
Lmao.....Fire!
Keep that same energy
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Some kids are just bad brah. 1 parent, 2 parent, 3 parent households ain’t stopping them from crashing 😂
I agree, even though having 2 parents percentage wise leads to success, if a kid is bad a kid is bad
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Ur right
Facts!
Having a father in the crib plays a HUGE difference fr.
True
Stepdads too
@@Staticky1000what about 2 freaky Dad's & no mother
@@jeromebass7878GOOD JOKE
It’s true but it doesn’t make you you feel me
You can tell he thinks he’s a better human because he was raised in a two parent household. Classic case of conflation. Yes, having a father is important. No, it doesn’t mean everyone else is beneath you
Nah y’all victims always feel that way. And y’all are always painting yourselves to be lesser than. No different than these “colorists” BW constantly projecting
What you speak and believe is far more impact on your life than. A father often times pushes a no-excuse/resilient belief system. Mothers push defeat and worries
facts
I heard , it's better off for a child to grow up in household with a father, yes exceptions do exist .🤷🏽♂️
@@brandonmiles3025the exception being an abusive dad being worse than an absent dad
You just can't comprehend. The point of this argument is: are children better with the father in the home? Esso said he can't relate which is true regardless if he went to his friend house and witnessed many different situations. Ish has a point when he say some relationships are dysfunctional but it don't take away from the important of having a father in a child's life as well as him being in the home. Unless thing are extreme, couple need to do better at working things out
Ish was right…He never disagreed with Esso…Ish only addressed there’s other experiences under the same dynamic…Ish agreed with Esso but Esso is one of those people that keep talking even tho they agreed upon the core of the argument…Ish basically said all both 2 parent households aren’t the same, and Esso view is since he never seen it, he don’t know as if it isnt possible…The incompetence is high
ESSO has a hard time articulating his point of view, so he goes straight into the, " You wouldn't understand because..." it's crutch he uses a lot
dawg! Esso need to go back and view himself on these episodes. he looks and sounds fucking crazy. Archaic was the perfect word that Ish used for him. no matter what the subject ever is, if Esso has no experience with it, then you dont know what you talking about 😂. Ish trying to explain to him that his first hand experience is his, and someone else can have another based on their first person experience. i think im done with BagFuel for a while lol. i cant hear the damn guests, Esso tells us every episode who he used to manage, and something is always wrong about the black community or creatives 😂 im out!
This is what makes the loud mouth emotional. Yoh can be passionate about something and hear what someone else is saying. It was a emotional decision on him to ignore it it
Ish is not totally right. His purpose in using the momma wears the pants sometimes in the 2 parent household dynamic. Was to go against Essos point that it's the man being present that leads to kids being more successful.
Ish argument still validates Essos point because if that same woman who wears the pants in a 2 parent household was a single mother. The odds of her children being successful drop tremendously.
So the man being there. Even though he takes on the weaker role. Still is the bigger contributing factor to the kids success. So Ish is right when saying that all 2 parent households aren't the same. I mean that goes without saying. No things are the same.
But he said it in order to argue that if the mama is the leader of the 2 parent home. Then she is the bigger contributor to the kids success and not the man and that's not true. As I stated, if that same woman becomes a single mother. The odds drop tremendously. But if that man becomes a single father. The odds are not to far from the 2 parent household odds.
Both are parents are equal in value. The role of father consists of structure, discipline, critical thinking, and problem solving. Which will help children be more successful than nurturing, consoling, and encouraging. But we need both for children to be fully developed and well rounded. Esso took this one.
Very well said
Esso clearly don’t understand anecdotes 🤦🏾♂️
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I don’t think Esso grasped Ish’s point.
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Ish's has no point, there's no comparison
@ Rolex
He didn't want to.
At all smh
Esso yelling 1st and then calling Ish emotional when he yells is hilarious 😂
WORD😂😂😂😂ESSO MET HIS MATCH
Lol it was funny but when Ice exploded he went extreme. Like a dude raised by his momma lol
Hilarious 😂
Hilarious...This Nigga was losing his mind..LOL
Real leaders know when to give the instructions, and when to listen or let others lead. Man can pay the bills and everything but leave the wife in full charge of managing the house unless he's needed. They could be saying the same thing but all the gassing and braking fcked up the whole convo 8:53
So 1 had a father in the home, and the other didn't, but they're both "arguing" in the same manner, loud and emotional...guess the father didn't change everything
Bingo
Facts
Its too men arguing...knowing how to argue is a part of being masculine...when you see it go left the ninjas who would pull out a pistol or want to fight...ish crashout and don't even want to talk with Melissa ford...
Wrong
Facts
Esso loud as hell and ignorant speaking from a limited experience..every man in a household doesn't take the lead.. Ish be on bullshit sometimes but he's right about this and non-emotional..Esso the one in his feelings lol
Nah stats support what esso was expressing over Ishs argument. Ish is saying that was the case for HIM...when numbers say that's the case for MOST people from 2 parent households ....the stats don't say "there's MADDD men that ain't shit" instead it shows there's more men that are, than not. Ish didn't understand that
@jupiter12ent Nah Ish did understand Esso's points..he never refuted the stats your also highlighting..what Ish did was add nuisance that the stats don't consider, which are just as valid.. if case studies that create the stats chose to consider additonal factors I'm sure Ish's point would be more substantiated..Additionally, Esso wasn't referring to stats, he was continually referencing his own experience which is probably why Ish gave his experience.. the fact that "stats" are aligned with Esso's POV is just irony
Quality of the parents actually makes a huge difference. Bc if both parents ain't shit the child gonna have issue.
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Grew up with my dad in the house and currently dealing with father issues. Quality is key !
Ish cracking muffins on tour? LMAOOOO
😂😂😂😂😂
Cause he got his muffin cracked on jbp by Dr. Umar, he took a leave of absence.
@ he want revenge lmaooo
Lmaooo
Smh this dudes muffin came pre-cracked
Esso Dad was emotional af dawg, may as well had two moms by the looks of it.
Esso needs some water.
And spearmint
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
gallons
Theraflu
It’s a difference between a leader vs a dictator! There are households where the father was there and left no impact (mentally emotionally or spiritually). Everything isn’t black or white there are some grey areas and we should be open to it and respect it!
His pops was there but didn’t teach him how to have a normal debate? 😂
Facts
A lot of young Black men were raised by their grandmothers & everybody knows grandma’s word carries the most weight.
Yea in AMERICAN black culture...that's not the way THE MOSH HIGH ORDAINED IT
Crazy thing is most of the dudes esso managed in the music business come from single parent households
I grew up with a dad in the house and I can tell you some of the best men I know never had one. It depends on the person at the end of the day because I know some other folks that had a daddy and they ain’t shit.
Perfectly summed up! I agree
80 percent of criminals come from single mother household. That's the vast majority. Majority of deadbeats come from single mother household as well. Majority of black boys who don't read at the proper reading level come from single mom household. The anomalies and personal experiences don't negate the majority of results brother
Facts !
No one said all & your dad must be not good for you to speak as a women
We talking facts out of 100% father their is a 40% who do worse or just as bad as single moms no one said all fathers do good
But they do sure hell lot better then single moms
Out of their 100 it’s 32 % do well that horrible odds
Me too I know some who had both good parents and they turned out rotten.
Esso not letting Ish talk is frustrating. Him and Hynaken do this to their guests every episode.
Ish is spitting facts and emotionally intelligent‼️‼️‼️
As a person who grew up with both parents that have been married for more than 50 years in HONOR, my father would never refer to his wife or any woman disrespectfully. It is a partnership. One could not exsist without the other. Respectfully. I LIVED IT.
If Esso didn’t say he was raised with a father (based on his own logic), I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between the two. So emotional your voice is going.
Lol exactly
What is emotional?
Fam men raise their voice in an argument it doesn’t have to mean anything until it does. Let niggas scream if they want to and stop pretending that you aren’t passionate about shit
@inturnetavatar Word 💯, the ones that's calling Esso emotional were raised with no fathers
@@brickflipper5273 Yes and didn’t have a barbershop growing up 😩
Esso is too smart to make such a blanket statement and act like he KNOWS how it affects everyone. The fact that he literally said "I ain't never seen those" completely nullifies his point
As a man who had a father in the household from 7 years old that beat the shit out of my mom repeatedly, kicked us out the house multiple times, had CPS ( Child Protective Services) threatening to take my sisters away;
I can definitely say that every two parent household isn’t golden. It is obviously ideal for the child to have both parents but it is not always better.
Also there are some single mothers/ fathers that raised damn good kids .
That’s not a father, that’s a man with no control over his emotions. That’s the point esso is trying to make but everybody is focused on the yelling. If you have a real man in the household….. things go completely different for the most part.
@@joshward4752 stop, he’s a father. That’s the exact man Esso is talking about & he described his father exactly how you’re explaining.
I was born and raised with my biological mother and father in the house hold married and together for 39 years until my father pasted away last year. The man in the black sweat shirt does have some valid points
Why do people think that just because they yell or talk over someone that it will somehow make them right?! It’s easier to understand and respect your pov when you’re not screaming to the top of your lungs.
Esso is speaking his experience and generalizing and is wrong. Ish is correct, not all 2 parent households are the same. Yes, it's greater for a child to have both parents but it's not guaranteed.
Bro nothing in life is guaranteed but it’s about being intentional. If you’re going to have kids the best pursuit is to have both the mother and father raising the kids
The Man should the household no matter what if the women is leading any household is angry and it's out of order...If you comfortable with a woman or your momma leading some wrong
Women should NEVER lead a household unless the man is an absolute fucking bum.
You can't have a conversation without generalizing.Nothing is all everybody knows that so why even bring up exceptions.The fact that ish is even trying to make that point let's you know who he was raised by
@@bgates91482 exactly 💯
Why Es yelling tho? He looking over emotional.
And that leader shit is bs....I seen some dudes lead their family straight to 💩
He was raised with a dad in the household so he couldn't possibly be emotional lol
His father taught him that😂
JBP gonna have a field day with this interview 😂😂😂
Can’t wait.
We need you ish! You don’t know how much you’re words and perspective and changing the world! Thank you!
based on this interaction what difference has having a father in the household had on this gentleman? can’t get his point across without almost losing his voice, struggling to breathe or sounding excessively emotional? having a dad in the household is nothing to brag about if you’ve ended up the exact same way your friends who didn’t have theirs around have
Lmao Ish on the thumbnail is krazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He about to blow a blood vessel🤣
“We got em!”- flip voice
I came her just to say that 😂😂😂😂😂
😂 Emotionally proving the point 😂
I see why him and Joe budden get along😄😄😄.....when joe called ish position on the podcast entry level 🤣 🤣 🤣. Touched his SOUL.
Ish was cooking and I grew up w both parents in the house
So you just told the world that your father was hen peck and p#$$y. 😂😂😂
HIS FOOD AIN'T DONE
You lucky I whish I did
@@kharyvines6971 Because it kept getting cut off 😂
@@OvahZealous CUS HE LITE FOOD DON'T HAVE SEASONING
Esso....is bugging. He's going to be the reason their show doesn't reach certain heights.
This comment right here 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Faxx
Ish yelling without the echo of the JBP room isn’t the same lol
Esso ignored his father and studied his mother deeply instead 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
I dont know a single dude who was raised in a two parent household that will downplay the importance of the male presence. That isnt to say that there arent bad fathers who can sometimes have a negative impact, but by and large, having a decent father is the most important backbone for a family. As Esso was hinting at, the government or "powers that be" know this which is why they incentivize black women to leave black men by enabling welfare/government assistance, prioritize women in family court (i.e., child support - search title IV-D - alimony etc.)
Let NTV COOK!!!!! #agreeance
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EXACTLY!!!! Esso just couldn’t articulate that shit properly.
Having a bad father is NOT all that uncommon. Yes they're are plenty, probably even more people who had good fathers. But therr are LOTS of households that had terrible ones. Ish just brought up the weak ones but there are also some pretty terrible abusive strong ones. If your mom didn't stay with your dad back in the day there was likely a very good reason that don't have nothing to do with welfare. But welfare is all we hear about.
Y’all know white women get the majority of welfare correct?
I swear New York is the only place where conversation sounds like a heated argument and it’s not just black ppl anybody from a burrow conversation seems to be like this
Correct lol and it rarely gets personal
@ see my stupid gone stand there waiting for somebody to swing smh lol
Have you been to Rome and Southern Italy,and parts of Africa !??? 😅same stuff!! Crazzyyy 🤣
@ Nawl my brother never been there but I believe I got a Italian friend he love to argue
@lamargettens2370 .. one instance,i saw 3 guys shrieking in the manner Ish just did ,and more ..using hand gestures ( typical Italian style) only to realise ,they were debating on the price of gas!! I was SHOCKED 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hate this narrative that 2 parent households automatically make the kid “better off” yes a HEALTHY 2 parent household has a positive effect. But every household ain’t healthy. And plenty of kids who were raised by single parents wound up great quality human beings
Two parents from Brooklyn just got sentenced to prison for starving, beating, and eventually killing their young son. BOTH parents were in the household. Two parents being present means nothing if they don't operate in love.
That's not the narrative, statistics and common sense tells you that having the father's presence gives you a better chance
@@bgates91482 hence my comment saying having two HEALTHY loving parents. Never said having a father Isn’t needed
@@bgates91482dumb ninjas be ready to argue. Understand the information first. Reading is fundamental 😂
@@Tyweezy84 you're literally arguing against facts.Yes it's possible to be successful with one parent but two parents gives you fat better chances .If we're being honest ,it's the single mother's actually bcuz single father raised kids chances are almost as good as the 2 parent households.But its definitely not a narrative
Just because you manage the house hold, doesn't mean you run the house hold... Mom's are the managers , father's are the owners of the company!!
Um not always. Not every household is the same.
I hear you, but it's not about every house hold . It's about the majority of them. And when you have the manager, doing the owners job your business is going to fail 90%of the time. We love our moms but need our fathers. The problem is that they think they can do it without our fathers , and nothing doesn't last to Long without the king 👑 around..
I was a kid raised by my mother but not I’m a single father raising my son. And I can tell you 100% the dynamic is way different
Crazy thing a person will start screaming at you then when you start screaming back they lower they’re tone and call you emotional that is the funniest shit ever to me 😂😂
it's a sign of retardation and or gaslighting
When I grew up in my neighborhood, there were not many fathers in the household. My Dad was the neighborhood pop's. He made a difference for those who didn't have a father it was said and shown how important he was to them.
Thank you for saying a fact
ish turned into the hulk at the 1:06 mark
😂😂😭😭😭😭
This dead how ny/nj niggas get😂
Bruh trippin fr
Bruh went berserk 😂😂😂😂😂😂 but I feel him cause esso b Over talking the guest too much
Ish Banner
Good topic and a real one
I grew up in a 2 parent household and Esso is wrong. I am the example of what Ish is speaking about. My parents showed love with money. There was no emotional connection, meaningful conversation, quality time, life lessons taught, etc. It was stable, no abuse, and very calm. But I missed out on a lot of emotional connection that still affects me, my husband and children today.
Esso sound crazy. Every household is different.
What did he say that's crazy?
You sound crazy for saying that.
@@bgates91482 Nvggas upset that Kamala lost because they didn’t have a Father is a wild statement.
Es$o Never let his Guess talk he to emotional and to opinionated to have a Pod let alone a talk show
Dude get emotional almost instantly when he disagrees with the guest
This is what happens when you debate with people that don’t understand every human has a different experience although we share similarities but we’re not all the same. Some of us are more resilient than others but when a person isn’t tryna hear you, you gotta let them run they movie and go about YOUR business
Esso isn’t talking about leadership. That’s not love. That’s evil. I don’t curse at people I love.
The real problem is a lack of community. At the end of the day all these households step out the house and bring home new habits. Having both parents you see a wider perspective this allows you to gauge a situation but when the community is broken this right here will be the argument.
The presence of a man, a good man in the house, words can’t describe the positive impact and balance
Emphasis on good man
Ish is telling the truth. I’m the king in my home. I make all the executive decisions in my home. I have friends with 2 parent households and the father is depositing terrible things into their children. Esso needs too understand all homes aren’t the same. I’m from a 2 parent household too!
Esso had his pops …, still no facial hair 😂
Corny
@@brickflipper5273 You ain’t got any facial hair either huh 😂😂😂
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beards are played
1:58 - 2:01 ISH had me wheezing ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah 🤣😂😭🤣😂😭🤣😂😭🤣😂😭
These two need their own show. Passionate, intelligent, yet respectful.
Emotional intelligence is a super power
Esso needs to drink less. Just an observation from a few pods I’ve seen.
His dad probably drank in his household 😂
Esso is way too emotional for anyone to have a conversation with whether you agree with him or not. You can't tell a person that they don't know something just because it wasn't their life. I didn't grow up with my father in my life but I personally witnessed all of my friends having their fathers in their lives which made a big difference in their lives compared to mine. So having both parents matters but what matters most is having both parents being component and driven to push their children to be better than them and the best the can be. 5:34
Amen
A man in the household definitely make a difference, there's no question. It's about discipline and taking personal responsibility
His dad must’ve been half ain’t shii cause how season act like this in every interview he has disagreements in? Argue like a girl 😂
LML 😂😂😂 5:20 he sound like a masculine/muscular thug crying
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After watching that I had to go back and rewatch how this evening popped off in the first place. This man said just because his friend was distraught over Kamala losing that he contributed that to him not being raised in a two-family household. Wow just wow 0:25
A man that was raised in a man led household shouldn't feel comfortable with a woman leading. That's he's poorly articulated point, amd he's absolutely correct.
@@sidney1234usc Yes, because BW were mostly voting for her solely because she was “black”.
Yes facts. Either fatherless or raised by fathers who were weak men
@jayothecapo5137 exactly it's just a pity hearing that way of thinking
Yo insane lmqooo smfh.
Esso stop over talking him. He has a valid point. You can only speak for your own 7:15 family and how you grew 🆙 😂😂😂 all of that screaming, and hollering is not gonna get it sorry 😂😂😂
As a man with a daughter I’m never calling someone a bitch n telling them to accept it. That’s crazy.
Make your Household Work however you can, a GOOD MAN, Is a Father. Just being there, DOESNT make you a Father. Is what esso Meant to say💯
Why he sound like he crying 😂
Parents married for 22 years before daddy passed and my mother was the decision maker because that was THEIR dynamic but at the same time they made big decisions together and when daddy told us something, we listened to him as well. My household is similar. We BOTH put food on the table. WE BOTH provide for the children. Been married 30 years and we don't own each other or lord over one another. Why is it so hard to believe that every body's household wasn't ran like his?
Im losing trust on esso’s point of view. Every family’s different. Just cus we grew up with both parents don’t mean we have the same point of view. And there was an episode when esso was speaking on how black people, whenever they have debates they scream and yell, without having a respectable debate with difference of opinions and now look at em without the hostility, yelling and screaming.
its crazy because i know people who grew up without both parents in the household whole time and they came out great
Ty Ish..my mans💪🏾✊🏾
Father's are mad important..but its all different circumstances
ish don’t even pod this well on his show i’m dead LMFAOOOO
That’s false
Actually he pods better on his show
@@devynzoolander77 facts
Wildin lol
Too many people on the JBP
Esso is correct
Nope
Nah he can’t speak for everyone
He’s right l. Dysfunctional two parent household cases are outliers and don’t undermine the overwhelming benefits that two-parent families offer for children’s emotional and economic well-being
@ginether6174 @ginethe6174 esso should do more research before speaking. The 2 parent home can provide a safety net in so many ways but if it is defuntional in which some are bad habits can be transferred relationship wise. Also ultimately as a adult you will be responsible for who you become.
No he is not
Voices cracking sounding wild nasty😂
Every conversation shouldn't require this much emotional energy
My parents weren’t perfect, I definitely carry shit with me that affected me growing up. my father had his flaws and so did my mother but I wouldn’t trade my upbringing for nothing. I have an idea of what keeping the family together really means.
Its different dynamics. Some dudes have a father but he doesnt run the house so he still doesnt change anything. My mom was the bread winner.
They both are right & agreed about the importance of a father in the household, how does it turn into all this😭
Premium podding 😂
You ain’t listen to the whole clip because they definitely aren’t both right. Esso is BUGGIN lol
The majority of people in here commenting are saying esso is correct but not once have they actually stated what he was correct about. He stated that his friend was emotional over Kamala not winning which showed him that he didn't have two parents in the household so ish was like how did you get that from that. I swear people will just agree with anything sometimes and then argue to just argue. Its like some people refuse to comprehend things during conversations.
Thank you! I scrolled alll the way to this commnet trying to figure out why no one understood what Ish was fighting Esso about 😂. Ish agreed the father is important and a two parent household is importnat. he never said he disagreed with that. he only told him, its archaic to tell the woman of your life you a bitch and you gone deal with it. and every two parent household is not the same just becuase yours was that way. like why was that so hard to comprehend? 😂 all Ish is saying is just because i gave a woman respect doesnt mean im raised without a father 😂
I was thinking the same thing
It’s not just the parents being there it’s the QUALITY of their characters. Whether they are together or divorced the quality of a persons character has the MOST impact on a child.
Y’all ain’t gotta do an episode of Crashout Z for this G lol
I was raised by my dad and was neglected to the streets because he was born in 1937 and wasn’t growing with the times and it took me years to recover and boss up
Esso is bugging, if you think because the man is supposed to be the leader he just talk to his wife any kind of way that is some disrespectful as shit and that’s a man that doesn’t value women as human beings.
WORSE COMMENT EVER.
DID YOU HAVE A FATHER IN THE HOUSE
exactly! i grew up with my father and mother in the house and they still together. i never seen him disrespect her by calling her a bitch and she gone deal with it lol!! thats crazy as hell. and i have no idea why the arguement people are dying on is you didnt grow up with your father if you believe women deserve resepct 😂.
Well I appreciated my Father! It’s 5 of us. He took care of us and raised us to be men! He didn’t play nor did my mom go against his ways of making us “Think” and be “Disciplined” men..
His presence just demanded the room and respect. He was a fun dad at the same time. My mother loved him and he loved her like I’ve never seen again in this generation. It’s crazy because he never made over $70,000 his entire life. Never got to retire. He died at 52 in his sleep. Me being 25 and the youngest messed me up. I’m thankful my older brothers just was copies of him. It’s like he never left. 🤷🏾♂️
It’s crazy how this is a big deal now..
No household is the same. Ish is right. Just because you have 2 parents in the household doesn't mean you will be successful. But studies DO SHOW that they are more than likely to succeed vs a child from a 1 parent household.
Esso KEPT saying that's my lived experience yet he can't speak on Ish's lived experience by his logic as well. There ARE a bunch of households where the WOMAN runs the house! I have seen that as well.
Personally, I have seen a LOT of Parental dynamics in my lifetime like most of us. So, there's no one way to do things. Every Father is NOT motivational and supportive. They simply PROVIDE. And hey, neither is every Mother! There's just not a simple answer
Having a stable and mature father who had a stable background is vital and like Air💯 The Father is the foundation!
People with a 1 parent household cannot compare or know how it is to have a two parent household where both parents are doing their part. It does create a different mentality.
dudes are pushing late 40s but can’t handle a non emotional convo?
Exactly, I never had a debate with my friends that required all this yelling lol that's a sign niggas about to fight
Two parent household aint teach him to listen for understanding instead of for the fight
A hit dog will holla
An idiot will say this
"Maybe you won't need clarity if you don't cut me off"......words to live by.
Ish is correct my cousin had both parents growing up but I always questioned how she had two kids before graduating High School. When we became adults she said “Although my dad was present in the home, He showed his kids no love or affection” She said he was mean and angry most of the time and was the sole provider that’s it. So she ended up a teen mom because she was looking for male attention and validation because her father never gave it to her at home. She ended up going to college and getting her masters with the help of her former Math teachers. She’s makes a great living now she’s also a grandmother of two at 44 yrs old. Her dad my uncle by marriage passed away of C-19 in 2021 and she said on his death bed was the 1st time he told her “I LOVE YOU” 😢 So with that being said just because a father is in the house doesn’t mean he’d present. 🙏🏾 I’m with Ish on this one.