FINALLY! A video that fully explains the intricacies of Anne's fall! I'm so tired of people saying it was Henry's idea when it was clearly Cromwell's! Thank you!!
He still could have stoped her murder ..she was innocent he had to have known this. He didn't love her.. I cannot see a man allowing the mother of his child to be killed.. Henry can burn too.
Thanks for uploading this. Anne of a thousan days as the tudors beheadings of anne and thomas more is still difficult to watch because it is a very tragic story where romeo betrays his loved juliet. And I was in tears in anne of a thousand days when she is put to trial, out of all wives I have more in common with her since I am really ambitious and willing to fight for something even going beyond others, that scene and when anne is to dies she showed she was every ounce of a Queen!
Anne must have known that by opposing Cromwells plans for the monasteries, she was also opposing the king. And she did it publicly, not once but twice, in church by having her almoner preach against it, making the king and Henry furious, but just a week later she got him to preach again, this time about the kings adultery and the "taking of many wives and concubines", and Henry's rumoured plans to set her aside and take a new wife. I believe that signed Anne's death warrant. If the king was furious at the first public upbraiding, he was enraged about this second one.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally, I haven't seen this all yet but I am so delighted to hear that you take up the view that it was not solely Anne's miscarriage that doomed her and that Cromwell and his own ideas, Spanish Alliance yadda yadda was a major reason...everyone always thumbs me down when I say that :(
I agree, it was not solely her lack of an heir that caused her downfall. I think her lack of an heir was probably the biggest reason as I don't think Cromwell would have been successful if Anne had a son but I also think if Cromwell and Anne didn't become enemies Anne wouldn't fallen as soon as she did, if continued to fail to give Henry a son.
I believe the king did indeed order Cromwell to get rid of Anne. He would not have dared accuse her of adultery, incest and treason unless the king approved. Historian Richard Starkey in one of his books pointed out that Henry's apparent support of Anne was not actually about Anne, in his proposals for an alliance with the Emperor, but about any queen he might replace her with. The wording was very complex and had a dual meaning, and just like poor Katherine of Aragon, Henry wanted to keep his plans secret from Anne, her family and her faction and any potential supporters until it was too late for anyone to save, or even speak up for her.
I think the rumors about Catherine being poisoned, and the Anne fought with princess Mary Tudor. That made Henry believe that Norris and Anne were going to kill Henry. Anne made a comment about dead man's shoes.
I often wonder what would have happened if Anne did gave birth to a son...Would she have remained queen and therefore Henry VIII and his 2 wives since everything depended on the birth of a male heir. Surely Anne greatest legay is through her daughter Elizabeth I....but it makes you wonder what d happened and therefor would it have changed the course of history
Aw thanks my love. I too have purchased Nortons biog... it seems to have some very mixed reviews... and eveyone suggests Ives over her, so will be interesting to see.. im guessing it will be rather Denny. Im really looking forward to Bernards work too.. I can feel my blood boiling as I type! Glad you liked my ducks x
Paige Thompson Exactly! Cromwell was not powerful enough to send Anne to the scaffold on his own. Henry had to be behind it. Henry was tired of Anne and she didn't give him a son. He also wanted to marry Jane Seymour. Henry was famous for farming out his dirty work to others.
Exactly how could he allow the mother of his child to be killed knowing she was innocent.. The impotent sob burn in hell..she still went to her death giving him more respect then he gave her.. Ever so kind she said? How ANNE how? I would have said he was a dirty sob.. I'm being killed anyway speak the truth..
I have studied Oliver Cromwell before I came here and from what I have learned it appears that his actions here would later come back to bite him and even trouble his conscience.
@clickgal I've studied it to, now!! I hadn't when I asked the question. It was so long ago, I think I meant 'What has the letter he received on may day got to do with anything?' or something like that. thank you for taking the time to answer.
Its possible that the Queens miscarriages could of been from a rare blood type such as RH A- . Where the pregnant womens rejects the pregnancy because of this blood type. I have it so I know.
Apparently, Henry had some issues that were at the root of the problem. I can't remember what it was that caused it, but if he knew then what they know now maybe he would have been a little nicer.
I studied Henry v111 in school and he grew up as a spoilt child and remained so throughout his entire life, what Henry wanted he got one way or another. He had syphilis, ulcerated legs and definitely was not a well man, which may have had a great deal to do with the health of any babieshe fathered
Sarah hardcastle there is no evidence either way with regard to Henry VIII having syphilis, but many believe had the disease. He certainly was an unwell man, which had a great deal to prove the deaths of so many of his offspring.
Hey does anyone know whether Henry would have believed the charges against Anne? Also, when precisely did Henry reconcile himself with executing Anne? The vid goes really fast, Cromwell investigates her without the King's knowledge...then Henry cancels Norris' trip to Calle, presumably already decided that he will move against Norris. The letter he recieved on May Day...did that have to do with his decision...?
I think Katherine of aragons pregnancy loses could be because henry had stds as he slept with loads of women, and the same as annes 2 miscarriages but her later one could have been through stress.
Sarah Moulder Henry did not sleep with loads of women. He had fewer mistresses than any other king in Europe. He was with Elizabeth Blount for 5 years until she became pregnant and had to be sent away from court. They were never together again after that. The king was with Mary Boleyn for some time but it had apparently petered out before she became pregnant. He may have had occasional brief lliasons or one night stands - he did have another bastard child named Etheldreda but she was pretty much hidden from the world, unlike Henry Fitzroy. In those days poor nutrition, even in the royal court, and the unsanitary conditions would have contributed. As well as the pressure and stress to be pregnant constantly and produce sons.
He slept with more people he had other mistresses like mary sheldon and briget plus if you watch inside the body of henry viii it was proven he had at least 2 sti
Sarah Moulder Compared to King Francis who had many many mistresses and new casual lovers every day and hundreds of bastard children, King Henry had very few. Some of his supposed mistresses were only rumours and if he had had that many bastard children people would have known about them. I'm saying the few mistresses he did have, he had for the long term. Lady Shelton was never proven, it was rumour and speculation. Henry was addicted to love and he married those he fell in love with, except for Anne of Cleves - that was a political marriage he never consummated. And Katharine Parr was more for companionship and as a mother for his children. However they did have some sexual contact as he was also waiting for her to give him a son. It was King Francis who died of syphilis and who was so rotten from it his body exploded in it's coffin. King Henry was never treated for syphilis - the only treatment then being mercury. It's not listed in his original medical records which were found and kept for posterity. And compared with the Turkish and other kings who had harems and hundreds of concubines, if not thousands, as well as many legitimate wives, King Henry was the least promiscuous.
He didn't sleep with loads of women, he had a few long term mistresses. In those days pregnancy was risky due to poor hygiene, no antibiotics or any way to treat complications. The miscarriage and stillbirth rate was high in the population generally. Also they didn't drink water but wine and ale, albeit watered down at breakfast but full strength at other meals. This, coupled with a poor or overly rich diet would have affected many pregnancies.
Francis l had hundreds of mistresses and many bastard children. And he did have syphilis. But think of all they alcohol pregnant women drank in those days as the water was contaminated.
And yet Anne and her family came to approve an alliance with the Emperor and the Emporer himself would rather Anne stayed married to the king, than for the king to get rid of her and then contract a French marriage. . .and a French alliance. The king may have appeared to support Anne outwardly, but as has been said many times, he was a good masker.
Charles knew Anne personally. She had served time in the court of his aunt, Margaret of Austria in her court in Mechelen, Flanders when Thomas Boleyn was appointed Ambassador.
I love all the video's here about Anne Boleyn, but I see in this doc a few scenes from movies that I know but some that I do not know , can someone tell me wich moviescenes they used here?
Liz Richards First Lady of Travestie mostly its from The Tudors which I believe was a Showtime series but could have HBO. The inexpensive movie I’m not sure of. The Tudors series is excellent though. If you have not seen you most definitely should. Pretty accurate and very engaging. I’ve probably watched entire series close to ten times as I’m obsessed with English history, my last name is Archer and I think that speaks for itself, but especially the Tudors time frame and on! I too, think these videos are very well done!
Henry Vlll warned Jane Seymour not to meddle in political matters when she begged for the abbeys to be spared, by reminding her what had happened to his former queen. There was a ruthless political coup against Anne and her faction, but the king had his own selfish reasons for wanting to believe the trumped up charges against her. He knew it was impossible for her to have committed adultery or for any of her alleged lovers to give her anything like the status and riches that he bestowed on her.
Cromwells policies form the basis of politics and democracy today in England and it's dominions. He was a good friend and a charming host, but also ruthless. He did try to save protestants from being burned for heresy but this brought him under suspicion. He was though extremely ruthless. He eliminated perceived enemies. He went too far with his religious reforms which turned the king against him. But he was a clever man and a prodigious worker. The king later regretted having him executed as he worked harder than any ten of Henry's councillors, and he had realized by then that the charges against Cromwell were trumped up. But the king himself had the final responsibility for Cromwells fate.
Two sides of the same coin. He was helpful and generous to his friends and family, but a ruthless politician. However he got ahead of himself and went too far with the religious reforms. Henry did later regret his execution as he did Wolseys death. Thanks to Cromwell we have the Parliament and the laws we have today.
All Anne had to do was give birth to a living son. I kind of wonder if Henry started having doubts (but did not show them) when Elizabeth was born. I know this is far fetched, but if they had the means to predict the sexes of children back then, a lot of lives probably could have been spared. Maybe.
it seems he disappointed, but not overly concerned about Elizabeth's gender. Catherine and he had been trying for many years before their living child came along. ln those days it was common for women to have many pregnancies and very few live births. The fact that Anne's first pregnancy went to term and resulted in a healthy child probably was a good omen to him as they had many years, and many chances for sons ahead of them. l believe it was much more than the lack of a son that caused him to turn cold towards Anne. l truly believe that he was concerned with the image he had taken on with the people after his break from Catherine and Rome. l think blaming Anne was just his way to get out from under the stigma he created for himself so he could be jolly Prince Harry again in the eyes of the people.
I believe Anne,like I, was rhnegative. If so, she would never be able to have a child again unless the child was negative (unlikely ) or unless with a negative male, again unlikely
Cynthia Snowden I too have read that she was RH negative. We'll never know for sure, but I think the theory comes from her miscarriages. Another theory I read was that she was under a lot of stress.
This actually makes alot of sense to me. It was more about what other's thought. Which pretty much proved that he was a wimp who let others dictate how he lived his life.
FINALLY! A video that fully explains the intricacies of Anne's fall! I'm so tired of people saying it was Henry's idea when it was clearly Cromwell's! Thank you!!
Cromwell would not have dared come up with such a plot without the kings approval.
He still could have stoped her murder ..she was innocent he had to have known this. He didn't love her.. I cannot see a man allowing the mother of his child to be killed.. Henry can burn too.
@@juanitarichards1074 exactly wosely did that exact thing with COA and look at his downfall
Thanks for uploading this. Anne of a thousan days as the tudors beheadings of anne and thomas more is still difficult to watch because it is a very tragic story where romeo betrays his loved juliet. And I was in tears in anne of a thousand days when she is put to trial, out of all wives I have more in common with her since I am really ambitious and willing to fight for something even going beyond others, that scene and when anne is to dies she showed she was every ounce of a Queen!
Good to finally know more of the background information regarding Anne Boleyn and the reasons for her rapid downfall.
Well Cromwell got was coming to him then.
Good to know you followed the trials and tribulations and still believe this man was a great person.
Anne must have known that by opposing Cromwells plans for the monasteries, she was also opposing the king. And she did it publicly, not once but twice, in church by having her almoner preach against it, making the king and Henry furious, but just a week later she got him to preach again, this time about the kings adultery and the "taking of many wives and concubines", and Henry's rumoured plans to set her aside and take a new wife. I believe that signed Anne's death warrant. If the king was furious at the first public upbraiding, he was enraged about this second one.
agreed....information here that I've never heard of before. But I did always wonder about Cromwell's eagerness to stay in Henry's good books.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally, I haven't seen this all yet but I am so delighted to hear that you take up the view that it was not solely Anne's miscarriage that doomed her and that Cromwell and his own ideas, Spanish Alliance yadda yadda was a major reason...everyone always thumbs me down when I say that :(
I agree, it was not solely her lack of an heir that caused her downfall. I think her lack of an heir was probably the biggest reason as I don't think Cromwell would have been successful if Anne had a son but I also think if Cromwell and Anne didn't become enemies Anne wouldn't fallen as soon as she did, if continued to fail to give Henry a son.
Very engrossing and well edited videos. I'm a fan of English history, particularly the Tudor years and am great enjoying your work. Well done!
Bravo Owen - great to see you have continued the saga. Very well done, as usual!
I really enjoy watching your videos - they are very well done and bring information that I really enjoy knowing.
Congratulations for the amazing work!
I believe the king did indeed order Cromwell to get rid of Anne. He would not have dared accuse her of adultery, incest and treason unless the king approved. Historian Richard Starkey in one of his books pointed out that Henry's apparent support of Anne was not actually about Anne, in his proposals for an alliance with the Emperor, but about any queen he might replace her with. The wording was very complex and had a dual meaning, and just like poor Katherine of Aragon, Henry wanted to keep his plans secret from Anne, her family and her faction and any potential supporters until it was too late for anyone to save, or even speak up for her.
Great videos! I know quite a bit about Tudor history but I am happy to say I learned a few things.
Excellent mini series
I think the rumors about Catherine being poisoned, and the Anne fought with princess Mary Tudor. That made Henry believe that Norris and Anne were going to kill Henry. Anne made a comment about dead man's shoes.
I often wonder what would have happened if Anne did gave birth to a son...Would she have remained queen and therefore Henry VIII and his 2 wives since everything depended on the birth of a male heir. Surely Anne greatest legay is through her daughter Elizabeth I....but it makes you wonder what d happened and therefor would it have changed the course of history
Aw thanks my love. I too have purchased Nortons biog... it seems to have some very mixed reviews... and eveyone suggests Ives over her, so will be interesting to see.. im guessing it will be rather Denny. Im really looking forward to Bernards work too.. I can feel my blood boiling as I type! Glad you liked my ducks x
I love this site and the historical movies on it.
This is not all on Cromwell. Henry was King and had the finally say in all matters. Henry wanted her gone and told Cromwell to make it happen.
Paige Thompson Exactly! Cromwell was not powerful enough to send Anne to the scaffold on his own. Henry had to be behind it. Henry was tired of Anne and she didn't give him a son. He also wanted to marry Jane Seymour. Henry was famous for farming out his dirty work to others.
@@ElizabethF2222 Henry did the same thing with Wolsey when he wanted Anne for himself, farming out his dirty work, indeed!
Exactly how could he allow the mother of his child to be killed knowing she was innocent.. The impotent sob burn in hell..she still went to her death giving him more respect then he gave her.. Ever so kind she said? How ANNE how? I would have said he was a dirty sob.. I'm being killed anyway speak the truth..
I have studied Oliver Cromwell before I came here and from what I have learned it appears that his actions here would later come back to bite him and even trouble his conscience.
@clickgal I've studied it to, now!! I hadn't when I asked the question. It was so long ago, I think I meant 'What has the letter he received on may day got to do with anything?' or something like that. thank you for taking the time to answer.
Aw cheers very much, really nice to hear
It's quite sad, that after all Anne did for France, they never made an argument or even attempted to lift a finger to help her...
Aw thanks my love, glad u enjoyed :)
Its possible that the Queens miscarriages could of been from a rare blood type such as RH A- . Where the pregnant womens rejects the pregnancy because of this blood type. I have it so I know.
Apparently, Henry had some issues that were at the root of the problem. I can't remember what it was that caused it, but if he knew then what they know now maybe he would have been a little nicer.
Me too
I studied Henry v111 in school and he grew up as a spoilt child and remained so throughout his entire life, what Henry wanted he got one way or another. He had syphilis, ulcerated legs and definitely was not a well man, which may have had a great deal to do with the health of any babieshe fathered
Henry didn’t have syphilis as he would have had to be treated with mercury and we know he wasn’t as his medical records survive.
Sarah hardcastle there is no evidence either way with regard to Henry VIII having syphilis, but many believe had the disease. He certainly was an unwell man, which had a great deal to prove the deaths of so many of his offspring.
The clips I see here from "Henry VIII and His Six Wives" look really spectacular. Was it recently released on DVD or something?
Thomas Cromwell got his comeuppances in the end, he was beheaded for arranging the disastrous Anne of Cleves marriage in 1540
Hey does anyone know whether Henry would have believed the charges against Anne? Also, when precisely did Henry reconcile himself with executing Anne? The vid goes really fast, Cromwell investigates her without the King's knowledge...then Henry cancels Norris' trip to Calle, presumably already decided that he will move against Norris. The letter he recieved on May Day...did that have to do with his decision...?
I think Katherine of aragons pregnancy loses could be because henry had stds as he slept with loads of women, and the same as annes 2 miscarriages but her later one could have been through stress.
Sarah Moulder Henry did not sleep with loads of women. He had fewer mistresses than any other king in Europe. He was with Elizabeth Blount for 5 years until she became pregnant and had to be sent away from court. They were never together again after that. The king was with Mary Boleyn for some time but it had apparently petered out before she became pregnant. He may have had occasional brief lliasons or one night stands - he did have another bastard child named Etheldreda but she was pretty much hidden from the world, unlike Henry Fitzroy. In those days poor nutrition, even in the royal court, and the unsanitary conditions would have contributed. As well as the pressure and stress to be pregnant constantly and produce sons.
He slept with more people he had other mistresses like mary sheldon and briget plus if you watch inside the body of henry viii it was proven he had at least 2 sti
Sarah Moulder Compared to King Francis who had many many mistresses and new casual lovers every day and hundreds of bastard children, King Henry had very few. Some of his supposed mistresses were only rumours and if he had had that many bastard children people would have known about them. I'm saying the few mistresses he did have, he had for the long term. Lady Shelton was never proven, it was rumour and speculation. Henry was addicted to love and he married those he fell in love with, except for Anne of Cleves - that was a political marriage he never consummated. And Katharine Parr was more for companionship and as a mother for his children. However they did have some sexual contact as he was also waiting for her to give him a son.
It was King Francis who died of syphilis and who was so rotten from it his body exploded in it's coffin. King Henry was never treated for syphilis - the only treatment then being mercury. It's not listed in his original medical records which were found and kept for posterity. And compared with the Turkish and other kings who had harems and hundreds of concubines, if not thousands, as well as many legitimate wives, King Henry was the least promiscuous.
He didn't sleep with loads of women, he had a few long term mistresses. In those days pregnancy was risky due to poor hygiene, no antibiotics or any way to treat complications. The miscarriage and stillbirth rate was high in the population generally. Also they didn't drink water but wine and ale, albeit watered down at breakfast but full strength at other meals. This, coupled with a poor or overly rich diet would have affected many pregnancies.
Francis l had hundreds of mistresses and many bastard children. And he did have syphilis. But think of all they alcohol pregnant women drank in those days as the water was contaminated.
And yet Anne and her family came to approve an alliance with the Emperor and the Emporer himself would rather Anne stayed married to the king, than for the king to get rid of her and then contract a French marriage. . .and a French alliance. The king may have appeared to support Anne outwardly, but as has been said many times, he was a good masker.
Charles knew Anne personally. She had served time in the court of his aunt, Margaret of Austria in her court in Mechelen, Flanders when Thomas Boleyn was appointed Ambassador.
But was Anne ever presented to him? Among the queens ladies Anne was low in the pecking order.
I love all the video's here about Anne Boleyn, but I see in this doc a few scenes from movies that I know but some that I do not know , can someone tell me wich moviescenes they used here?
Liz Richards First Lady of Travestie mostly its from The Tudors which I believe was a Showtime series but could have HBO. The inexpensive movie I’m not sure of. The Tudors series is excellent though. If you have not seen you most definitely should. Pretty accurate and very engaging. I’ve probably watched entire series close to ten times as I’m obsessed with English history, my last name is Archer and I think that speaks for itself, but especially the Tudors time frame and on! I too, think these videos are very well done!
Also from the movie with Natalie Portman playing Anne is The Other Boleyn Girl, forgot to mention that in last comment
Henry Vlll warned Jane Seymour not to meddle in political matters when she begged for the abbeys to be spared, by reminding her what had happened to his former queen. There was a ruthless political coup against Anne and her faction, but the king had his own selfish reasons for wanting to believe the trumped up charges against her. He knew it was impossible for her to have committed adultery or for any of her alleged lovers to give her anything like the status and riches that he bestowed on her.
What does oyer and turner actually mean?
Not exactly the story you get in Wolf's Hall where Cromwell comes across as a bit of a hero type. I wonder what the truth is about the man.
Cromwells policies form the basis of politics and democracy today in England and it's dominions. He was a good friend and a charming host, but also ruthless. He did try to save protestants from being burned for heresy but this brought him under suspicion. He was though extremely ruthless. He eliminated perceived enemies. He went too far with his religious reforms which turned the king against him. But he was a clever man and a prodigious worker. The king later regretted having him executed as he worked harder than any ten of Henry's councillors, and he had realized by then that the charges against Cromwell were trumped up. But the king himself had the final responsibility for Cromwells fate.
Two sides of the same coin. He was helpful and generous to his friends and family, but a ruthless politician. However he got ahead of himself and went too far with the religious reforms. Henry did later regret his execution as he did Wolseys death. Thanks to Cromwell we have the Parliament and the laws we have today.
Juanita Richards - 'Thanks to Cromwell we have the Parliament and the laws we have today.' - You say that like it's a good thing ^_^
All Anne had to do was give birth to a living son. I kind of wonder if Henry started having doubts (but did not show them) when Elizabeth was born.
I know this is far fetched, but if they had the means to predict the sexes of children back then, a lot of lives probably could have been spared.
Maybe.
it seems he disappointed, but not overly concerned about Elizabeth's gender. Catherine and he had been trying for many years before their living child came along. ln those days it was common for women to have many pregnancies and very few live births. The fact that Anne's first pregnancy went to term and resulted in a healthy child probably was a good omen to him as they had many years, and many chances for sons ahead of them. l believe it was much more than the lack of a son that caused him to turn cold towards Anne. l truly believe that he was concerned with the image he had taken on with the people after his break from Catherine and Rome. l think blaming Anne was just his way to get out from under the stigma he created for himself so he could be jolly Prince Harry again in the eyes of the people.
I believe Anne,like I, was rhnegative. If so, she would never be able to have a child again unless the child was negative (unlikely ) or unless with a negative male, again unlikely
Cynthia Snowden
I too have read that she was RH negative. We'll never know for sure, but I think the theory comes from her miscarriages. Another theory I read was that she was under a lot of stress.
This actually makes alot of sense to me. It was more about what other's thought. Which pretty much proved that he was a wimp who let others dictate how he lived his life.
thanks for replying :)
What are you replying to? I don't know what I said...
@cestlavietrav bbc series, henry iii and his six wives