This was a good discussion, and I think it really cut to the heart of two of the Left's biggest issues. One being an overfocus on theory over practical, "on the ground" problems and solutions. The other being the false dichotomy between incremental change and sweeping revolution: basically the all or nothing/accelerationist mode of thinking.
For me, the idea of communism is the only thing giving me hope for the future. Communism have creative possibilities that democratic socialism doesn’t. Anyways, this series is super productive and I can’t wait to hear more!
The idea that the idea of communism precludes incremental change is silly. The idea is that communism is a potentiality that persists DESPITE incrementalism and all other particular events. An event “whether it’s good or bad” is going to introduce new possibilities. Communism is an ideal of human history, not an eschatology. Eric and Pills have Badiou correct here.
Would have liked to hear a bit more about communism as an idea!! Like the content/meaning of communism as a horizon as opposed to other utopian ideals for badiou. like is there any sense of communal ownership or anything like that or just the event of revolution by the people...
Gentlemen, I want to invite you to go over Istvan Mezsaros. Maybe that can leave you in a different discusion point. Also, the socialist man, or the subjective, is still an issue, as it was for Che or Rosa or other people trying to do the practical side too. Cheers mates.
I have to admit, I found the second part of this episode a bit obnoxious. Badiou never really stopped looking for ways of organizing and doing politics. Just to give two examples, after May 68, for 10 years, he did not write any philosophy and instead focused on various political activities. He also did some interesting, on the ground work, with his L'Organisation Politique, focusing on organizing in factories, or organizing migrant workers, in what he calls a "politics without a party" (he goes through his reasoning for it in an interview that can be found the appendix of his Ethics book). You can disagree with his disengagement from electoralism all you want, but to characterize him as someone who is "just waiting for a miracle" is absurd.
@@johndough6225 you can't reconcile the vastly different meta narratives that give rise to any number of different conclusions. you can't pick a conclusion from liberalism and one from Marxism, because they are fundamentally incompatible.
he summed up everything wrong with liberalism as an intellectual position by summing it up as "yeah i basically have no logically organized set of principles, no programmatic way of investigating the world, no attempt to cohere a totalized vision, and no interest in making practical change to bring it about." and then we're supposed to find that somehow intellectually stimulating? wtf?
Hello, a guy from said state of Kerala and I was very divided about what was said around reformism and emancipation. On one hand, the education and empowerment of girls in the state seems to have had some clear impact in their ability to collectively assert, and the emerging generation of women still continue to strive and assert, against everything from capitalism to the male dominance within the said leftist party. And I'd have a hard time denying that some of these reforms have clearly made people materially better. Just like what was being said about there being a better power to assert more. But on the other hand, I cannot unsee that said emancipation leads to channels that simply herd you back to capitalism. An educated woman can work and earn better and be financially independent and can combat abuse from spouses better. But that doesn't threaten the status quo surrounding state and capitalism for the most part even though it betters other social dimensions.
Mao was one of greatest revolutionary of the 20th century and any actual communist knows that. You just say it was a disaster and do not back this up. Obviously you don’t have much of a grasp on the history of the Chinese revolution beyond anti-communist propaganda, and as Mao said, “no investigation no right to speak.” Watch the documentary ‘How Yukon Moved Mountains” (Shanghai Generator Factory is a favorite section of mine) and the essay ‘Rethinking Socialism’ by Pao-Yu Ching as a start. I found a lot of this discussion disappointing in almost every aspect, but having some more knowledge of actually existing communism (both theory and practice) would have really prevented you all from devolving into such confused socdem polemics.
excited for the entire series!
Badiou really highlights the issues of being overly mathematical in your philosophical approach.
This was a good discussion, and I think it really cut to the heart of two of the Left's biggest issues. One being an overfocus on theory over practical, "on the ground" problems and solutions. The other being the false dichotomy between incremental change and sweeping revolution: basically the all or nothing/accelerationist mode of thinking.
I'd like to know what you guys think of assange's extradition, especially the liberals
banger episode. excited for more!
You can also find some Badiou books converted to audio on UA-cam
People who don’t do the math when reading Badiou are like people who button mash their way through Street Fighter.
For me, the idea of communism is the only thing giving me hope for the future. Communism have creative possibilities that democratic socialism doesn’t. Anyways, this series is super productive and I can’t wait to hear more!
Well said.
The idea that the idea of communism precludes incremental change is silly. The idea is that communism is a potentiality that persists DESPITE incrementalism and all other particular events. An event “whether it’s good or bad” is going to introduce new possibilities. Communism is an ideal of human history, not an eschatology. Eric and Pills have Badiou correct here.
lmaooooo
that was intense, nice debate.
Would have liked to hear a bit more about communism as an idea!! Like the content/meaning of communism as a horizon as opposed to other utopian ideals for badiou. like is there any sense of communal ownership or anything like that or just the event of revolution by the people...
Gentlemen, I want to invite you to go over Istvan Mezsaros. Maybe that can leave you in a different discusion point. Also, the socialist man, or the subjective, is still an issue, as it was for Che or Rosa or other people trying to do the practical side too. Cheers mates.
How many people are speaking in this podcast? They sound so similar to me :D Are they 3 or 4?
I have to admit, I found the second part of this episode a bit obnoxious. Badiou never really stopped looking for ways of organizing and doing politics. Just to give two examples, after May 68, for 10 years, he did not write any philosophy and instead focused on various political activities. He also did some interesting, on the ground work, with his L'Organisation Politique, focusing on organizing in factories, or organizing migrant workers, in what he calls a "politics without a party" (he goes through his reasoning for it in an interview that can be found the appendix of his Ethics book). You can disagree with his disengagement from electoralism all you want, but to characterize him as someone who is "just waiting for a miracle" is absurd.
nah im not convinced about "taking good ideas from each ideology" it doesn't work like that
why not?
Not challenging u btw just curious
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@@johndough6225 you can't reconcile the vastly different meta narratives that give rise to any number of different conclusions. you can't pick a conclusion from liberalism and one from Marxism, because they are fundamentally incompatible.
he summed up everything wrong with liberalism as an intellectual position by summing it up as "yeah i basically have no logically organized set of principles, no programmatic way of investigating the world, no attempt to cohere a totalized vision, and no interest in making practical change to bring it about." and then we're supposed to find that somehow intellectually stimulating? wtf?
4:14
I'm hoping that the one guy has the ability to talk faster.
I do wish you would quote Professor Richard Wolff on Communism and Marxism.
Hello, a guy from said state of Kerala and I was very divided about what was said around reformism and emancipation. On one hand, the education and empowerment of girls in the state seems to have had some clear impact in their ability to collectively assert, and the emerging generation of women still continue to strive and assert, against everything from capitalism to the male dominance within the said leftist party. And I'd have a hard time denying that some of these reforms have clearly made people materially better. Just like what was being said about there being a better power to assert more. But on the other hand, I cannot unsee that said emancipation leads to channels that simply herd you back to capitalism. An educated woman can work and earn better and be financially independent and can combat abuse from spouses better. But that doesn't threaten the status quo surrounding state and capitalism for the most part even though it betters other social dimensions.
Mao was one of greatest revolutionary of the 20th century and any actual communist knows that. You just say it was a disaster and do not back this up. Obviously you don’t have much of a grasp on the history of the Chinese revolution beyond anti-communist propaganda, and as Mao said, “no investigation no right to speak.” Watch the documentary ‘How Yukon Moved Mountains” (Shanghai Generator Factory is a favorite section of mine) and the essay ‘Rethinking Socialism’ by Pao-Yu Ching as a start.
I found a lot of this discussion disappointing in almost every aspect, but having some more knowledge of actually existing communism (both theory and practice) would have really prevented you all from devolving into such confused socdem polemics.
They are so psyoped idk how pills fails to see this when he literally makes content on CIA conspiracies and psyops
Agreed!!
Neither of you listened to the final fourth of the podcast
"No Right to Speak", LOL. I am speechless.