Defeating Adventism
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2023
- This video is an official Seventh-day Adventist interview video of a conversion of a Seventh-day Adventist General Conference employee to Adventism. This is not a conversion to Christianity, but to Adventism. I have had an interest in watching UA-cam Adventist videos of testimonies and in nearly each and every case, there is a testimony not of becoming a Christian with a telling of the Born-Again experience, repentance, recognition of the Christ of the bible, etc. but in Adventism there is a testimony of quitting smoking and drinking, as though that is the evidence of conversion.
Adventism has for over 150 years made Adventists, not Christians. The Seventh-day Adventist church is not a Christian church.
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Question for SDAs: Do you agree with Ellen White's teaching in the Great Controversy that the Jesus SDAs worship was and is incapable of atoning for sin of any kind by his death on Calvary?
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Jesus has given us an example of pity and love for the erring. While he reproved sin, he regarded the sinner with compassion. 👉Looking to the cross of Calvary, where Christ poured out his life to atone for our sins,👈 let us recall his words, "Love one another, as I have loved you." ST April 7, 1887, par. 17
@@thatnicekid04 " . . . Calvary, where Christ poured out his life to atone for our sins . . . " Sounds very much like a description of the first phase of Ellen White's "two phase atonement" theory. Did I get that wrong?
@@jamesandres6312 you are shifting the goal post. You accused EGW falsely. You should get your facts correct. I can easily show you several quotes where she said that Jesus already atoned for our sins. I can also show you several Bible verses that show that atonement for sin happened before the Day of Atonement. Atonement for sin happened when people brought sacrifices. Do a word search for the word Atonement in Leviticus. This was different than the Day of Atonement.
@@thatnicekid04 Obviously you are not familiar with the Great Controversy, the only source I have mentioned in this thread.
@@thatnicekid04 Does "ST" mean Signs of the Times? What is the actual quote? There are only quote marks around 8 words. Are just the 8 words the actual quote?
Thank you for doing these videos I pray my loved ones in SDA will someday leave. God rescued me 3.5 years ago from this cult. I still have a “remnant study Bible” with the EGW quotes, I don’t have the heart to throw it in the trash since the Bible is there too. I assume you already have one, but if you don’t I would love to donate it to someone who can use it to expose SDA lies. All through out their bible are little blue boxes with EGW quotes adding sda interpretation to scriptures. It is so sad. Just keep on keeping on God is using people like you to expose the lies, those of us with generations of family and friends still in this , we know they won’t listen to us. They think I am lost.
First, I am delighted to read you have departed the false Seventh-day Adventist chruch and are now a follower of the True Christ. I know that having family member still trapped in this deception is troubling. You are not the one who is lost, they are deceived and bewitched by the teachings of Ellen White. I would like to know how you got out and what you discovered that convinced you Adventism was error. You were of the many who departed Adventism i this period.....
If your family and friends permit you, do share with them the errors of Adventism. But if they do not, then do not fret. Keep praying for them and pray God sends others into their path.
Yes, I do have the Remnant bible, but do keep it around. You may encounter someone who can use this book. As of this moment, I am compelled to continue exposing Adventism and will continue
They republished her book under a different title - that right there is deceptive!
Beware, there are so many different ones
You are right and this is a long term practice of Adventists to hide Ellen White and present a book with a different title and sometimes with no cited author to deceive the masses. But this channel exists to expose Adventism.....
I’ve seen tons sda books like that at thrift stores like salvation army, goodwill for very cheap like a few bucks… I always buy them all up and burn them, utter trash. I’ve literally bought stacks and stacks of them. They’ll almost always say “E.G. White” and never see the name “Seventh-day Adventist” anywhere in the publishing info.
Excellent and I do the same. Now if we can get more to do the same, this will have in impact by removing the opportunity for others to become deceived by her blasphemous books
I was already a Believer when I was given a copy of "The Not So Great Controversy". I could tell it was Christian flavored but wasn't actually Christian.
I even called it a setup book. It says many things that are true so that you won't easily notice the untruths.
Good video Brother 🙏
I like your description "It was a set-up book," Yes it is deception which is supposed to sound "Christian" but convince the reader to accept the unbiblical doctrines of the book
So, so sad…a born again Christian testimony is ALL about Jesus. An SDA testimony is all about self
Unfortunately, he probably wasn't born again. I am hoping he was or has been born again since, but the fact is that the false Gospel and false Jesus that SDA's preach will not save anyone.
This SDA testimony was chosen from the dozens I have watched here on YT. I have observed a trend in SDA testimonies and that is they are moral converts, not Born Again Converts. The typical SDA testimony is not all that different from a Mormon testimony. Neither are the testimonies of Christians, but of converts to their particular religion.
The great controversy says Satan is the scapegoat. That he will bear the world's sins. That is possibly the most anti-christianity statement that could be made by anybody. That is Ellen's conclusion to the great controversy, in the 420's/480's pages depending on the printing. It states this more than once. I don't think any other group teaches something so contrary to the Bible. -John 1:29
When speaking to SDAs it is often best to skip to the end of their theology. They like to stay in the weeds and go back to the sabbath as their security blanket. That is a comfortable place for them. The end of the matter is they subscribe to a system that keeps their sins in play. Traditional Christianity says the problem of sin was solved at the cross. SDAs say the cross transferred sins to the heavenly sanctuary. There the sins remain until a person is found worthy to have them transferred to Satan. That is very sketchy. It changes the equation from Jesus alone to Jesus + worthiness + Satan. The founders of SDA were literally so in love with their sin of date setting, that after being proved wrong twice, they preferred to change the gospel parameters rather than repent. The founders of SDA exhibited an amazing amount of spiritual stubbornness that still animates the movement to this day.
@@stever574 Extremely well said, steve. Once a person is convinced that his or her conduct is determinative -- as, of course, is the SDA foundational teaching -- all attention is focused on what that person does or does not do, instead of what Jesus has already done. That is the opposite of "good news." That is the worst possible news to anyone who is not hopelessly deluded by his or her own self righteousness. (Romans 3:23)
@@stever574 "It was seen, also, that while the sin-offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scape-goat typified Satan, the author
of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed. When the high
priest, by virtue of the blood of the sin-offering, removed the sins from the sanctuary,
he placed them upon the scape-goat. When Christ, by virtue of his own blood, removes
the sins of his people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of his ministration, he
will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final
penalty."
Reading through this in the Great Controversy, it does indicate that the sin problem was solved by Christ. It simply follows the symbolism of the mechanics of the ancient sin sacrifice ritual. Naturally, Christ is the one that is portrayed as worthy to transfer those sins of ours to Satan, the original author of sin, which, through Christ's own sacrifice, he relieved us from the penalty of by taking them upon himself.
However, our continued salvation is not contingent on his bearing those sins on his own shoulders for eternity. His worthiness to transfer those sins to Satan and the workings of His process of it are assured, and are not our problem to contend with. The concept of this does not suggest that salvation has anything to do with works on our part.
@@mytwocents777Yes, that is the standard SDA script on the subject. Their official sources do a good job on defending Satan's part in the process and making it sound reasonable, rather than horrendous blasphemy.
If SDAs want to make Satan the scapegoat, then they need to supply Bible verses that speak to Satan's ability to bear sin. That is how establishing doctrine works.
Here are six verses that speak to Christ's ability to bear sin. Certainly, SDAs should be able to find at least three verses in Satan's favor that use similar language...
Hebrews 9:28
1 Peter 2:24
Matthew 8:17
Isaiah 53:4
Isaiah 53:11
Isaiah 53:12
@@stever574 It doesn't seem to me, when I look at the words actually used in the Greek and Hebrew which are translated to "bear", and what they signify, that we have any cause to be looking for the ability of Satan to "bear" sin in the sense that Christ does, as that does not seem to be the implication of this doctrine at all.
We see "bear" in the verses you cited as being translated from Greek and Hebrew words which convey the meaning of to carry/take from one point to another; most notably, as mentioned in Strong's #399 for the Greek anaphérō used in Hebrews 9:28 the usage of "(a) I carry up, lead up, (b) I offer up (on a high altar) as a sacrifice, offer up to God on high." That would, after all, be the duty of a high priest of the temple. That priest performs the process of disposing of the sin; he does not carry the sins indefinitely. He transfers the punishment for the sins to the sacrificial animal, does he not?
Hebrews 9:28 Strong's #399 anaphérō (a) I carry up, lead up, (b) I offer up (on a high altar) as a sacrifice, offer up to God on high [see also HELPS Word-studies:(from 303 /aná, "up" and 5342 /phérō, "bring, carry") - properly, bring up to the goal (end point), i.e. carrying something through its sequence to reach its needed consummation
1 Peter 2:24 Strong's #941 bastazó (a) I carry, bear, (b) I carry (take) away.
Matthew 8:17 Strong's #941 bastazó (a) I carry, bear, (b) I carry (take) away.
Isaiah 53:4 Strong's #5375 nasa or nasah to lift, carry, take
Isaiah 53:11 Strong's 5445. sabal to bear (a heavy load)
Isaiah 53:12 Strong's #5375 nasa or nasah to lift, carry, take
What Satan would do in this context is not "bear" the sins as Christ has but, rather, _suffer the penalty of eternal death for sin_ . Despite that Christ was able to die, and yet live, in order to fulfill that penalty on our behalf, Satan after having these sins put upon him would theoretically eternally suffer death, which is what seems will ultimately come to pass as recorded in Revelation 20:10 "10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
These two people in the video clip,together with the mission of SDA are propagating EGW visions ..sort of business plan ,get ppl to read that book, baptize them then more tithes will come in, they dont care about peoples souls
They leadership of the SDAs do not care one bit about their followers.
And you just cited the basic SDA formula. As you know, the SDA is Satanic deception and those who believe in the Great Controversy have accepted a demonic deception.
Adventists have always been running a book selling business. Tithes and offerings are last days remnant church club fees. Adventists want your money. Ellen guilt tripped people into selling their homes and giving the money to the cult while she had two very large houses and lots of cash.
Excellent video! The SDAs are depending on their emotions to confirm their nonsense and unfortunately it will lead them to the same Hell as the others that are lost. They need to stop trusting in their hearts and start trusting Scripture: He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. Proverbs 28:26 (KJV)
Amen and the SDA have been so lulled into a slumber and taught they are Christians, when all one needs to do is simple listen to their testimonies. I have not heard a Christian Adventist testimony to date. So, it is simple. Adventists are not Christians, but they are Adventists.
There are numerous men and women within SDA-ism who are genuine Christians. These are generally the ones who have little understanding of what SDA-ism truly espouses in its Fundamental Beliefs. Many...and I mean many.....once they are presented the true Gospel -- provided they've not taken the rabbit hole of SDA extremism -- will repent and accept the true Everlasting Gospel as the Scripture teaches. From experience, I can tell you, it takes time to deconstruct the subtle and twisted teachings of the Investigative Judgment, 1844 & the 2300 days, the Sabbath seal of God/Sunday Mark of the Beast error, vegan health message, etc.
Jim...if you'd ever like to talk -- and I don't mean on your channel necessarily -- I can provide some "been there, done that, lost the t-shirt" stories for you to share in future videos.
Cheers, AD
Yes, I can believe there are those in the SDA chruch who have not spiritually and intellectually accepted all the SDA doctirnes and once presented the truth will realize the SDA error and then leave the church. I completely understand the "un-learning" and the struggles with coming to terms with the Sabbath and the list you cited above and have seen this same struggle with the JW's, Mormons and Muslims I have engaged throughout the years before my venturing into Adventism.
Thank you and If would be interests in your stores from the inside....
@@AcademyApologia Perfect!
The Adversary is not unwise. He knows how to use the wicked both in and out of religion. A question becomes, how does one square the fact that people can change from drug use and a completely ungodly life and then become a member of a cult and still their life is turned around. We hear these things every day, in the JW's the Adventists, the Mormons and many other cults. But, how can some of these blasphemous and outrageous cults have people in them that give God the credit for their changed lives, be so evil? How does one reason these things out. They give God the credit for changing their lives, but at the same time curse the Christian God to create their own in His place. We find this every strange religion and bizarre professing Christian groups. In 2Corinthians 11, we find Paul warning of the Judaizers making "a false christ, and different christ, with a different gospel and different spirit" than the true God, he presented to them. We find those that "draw away followers after themselves" but still they are religions. How does one understand these things. How do we answer healings and changes that seem to validify the cults? The answer is found in the lesson below.
*Christ warned that many false prophets would come and deceive many.* And, like the Mormons, the Adventist's refuse to believe it could happen to them. So, they shut their eyes and blindly go to hell at death.
*The Adversary is not unwise. He knows how to use the wicked both in and out of religion*. *Learn the lesson from Mt. **12:43**-45* So often, people wish to repent and please God by their new way of life. They leave the old self and their house is made clean. But then comes another spirit, that deceives the poor man and he finds himself involved in a cult, convincing himself is he now free from harm and doing the will of God as the cult tells him they have the *"spirit of prophecy" and repeatedly, even that he is *"keeping the 10 commandments and has the faith of Jesus Christ"* but from this cult comes 7 more demons more wicked than the first and the last state is worse the first.
Mt. 12: 43 "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation."
The people's way of life changed, but in the end, they are still in the bondage of sin and their conversion starting off went off the rails due to the work of the cults, and not finding the true Church, the joined in slandering the Church Christ instituted and pretending that Christ had hopped over to their cult. They went from one set of bad habits to a entirely different set of horrible habits under the guise of being Christian. And, the end is worse than the beginning. Because, now they are using the bible to destroy the faith of others, including themselves, using the sacred scripture to do it. Don't be surprised if they claim prophecies, healings, dreams and visions, all of which Christ warned his church the wicked would do. As it is written in 2Tim. 3:13 *But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived* .
@@polycarpsmith1419 Absolutely, and to add one more, Christian Science a compensatory of Adventism was healing people and documenting results. Yes, Satan comes as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV (14) And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.)
Satan is at work now in Adventism.
Ellen White makes it seem as if Jesus could’ve sinned and that the plan of God Almighty Himself could’ve been thwarted by Satan.
Right and she taught this horrific and blasphemous teaching: “In His humanity *Christ partook of our sinful, fallen nature.”*
“Bible Readings for the Home Circle”. Mountain View: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1916, p. 174
@@AcademyApologia I got caught up in this statement for years...had numerous conversations with far-right SDAs about it. I kept trying to clarify with them, Jesus came in the "likeness of sinful flesh," which *DOES NOT* mean He partook of our sinful, fallen nature. His nature was pure -- godly. His body was that of humanity. It's such a convoluted idea, which supports the central pillar of SDA-ism: the Investigative Judgment. Pure heresy.
@@DrAD767 Thank you for commenting and sharing your interactions with Adventists on this EGW quote. I am sure it was astonishing to see what I am sure was most, defend the EGW statement even i the face of being made clear by you that this was a heretical statement.
And as long as they are told that the Sabbath is the greatest commandment, they cannot relate to Christianity which follows what Christ said is the greatest commandment. In Matthew 22:36, Jesus was asked this exact question. And today, Christians call this the golden rule. His answer was not the fourth commandment. That's what Ellen White teaches is the greatest commandment, not Christ.
Amen
@@nonconformist4802 Not an SDA myself, but, to address the point made:
Jesus' own cited greatest commandments, to love God and to love your neighbor, are confirmed in scripture as summarizing the 10 commandments of Yahweh.
"...On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" (Matthew 22:36-40)
"For the commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 'You shall not covet,' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying , namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Romans 13:9).
Having been given in that statement sufficient information, we only need to apply logic and common sense to understand that the remainder of the ten commandments fall under the category of one or the other of Jesus' two great commandments. The ten commandments still stand in defining how to love God and our neighbor, lest we should devise our own definitions.
Jesus said, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15)
John makes clear that the commandments of God which we should keep are the same as Jesus' commandments: "1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments . 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments."
Now, as for the 4th commandment, it is the only one of the ten which actually identifies Yahweh, the One True God, who created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh, declaring the 7th day (Saturday) as sanctified as a sign of his sovereignty between Him and his people, who issued the ten commandments and under whose authority we follow them.
WIthout acknowledging this identification of Yahweh for who he is, we can just as readily follow the other nine commandments under some other authority: Even the secular government has laws against murder and theft, after all.
However, the threat that is of concern to Christians is not the secular authority, per se, but rather the dictates of Antichrist enforced through the secular authority under his control. It is not an insignificant coincidence that the early Protestants identified the Roman Catholic Papacy as the Antichrist and Man of Sin and that it was the Roman Catholic Papacy who officially changed the day of worship of the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday, that "venerable day of the Sun", as Constantine said when he declared it the day of rest in the Holy Roman Empire. The day was "venerable" because on that day the Roman pagans worshipped "Sol", the Sun god, also known as Helios and _Apollo_ , which is the same named _Apollyon_ described in Revelation as the king of the abyss from which the spirit of the Antichrist ascends. The Roman Catholic Church maintains a form of Sun/Moon worship under the veil of Christianity.
This does not mean that those who worship on Sunday until now have taken the mark of the beast. It will not become the mark until it is defined as an act which denies God and constitutes the worship of another in His stead.
@@mytwocents777
Lucky your 2 cents count just as much as your opinion, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING*
@@nonconformist4802 That's hardly original, and you have no opinion at all, so what is the point of your saying anything?
@@mytwocents777
While you are so full of yourself, why don't you answer me on the other comment of mine?
Common, I did expect much better than that from a SDA coltish ....
I just read about an adventist who won the Lottery and was thanking his god! Wait! An adventist gambling? Say it isn't so! When you go Outside the Scriptures and just Cherry Pick verses to push your religion, you get adventist, mormons, catholic, jw's and of course islaaam. No Gospel! No Jesus Christ Crucified! No Salvation! They are all Accursed! God bless you brother and your ministry!
How can you say, "God bless you brother and your ministry!" when he accuses the brethren day and night, rising up early and pointing fingers?
@@markanthony3667
So you prefer preachers that are soft on the ears? You will die in your sins willful.
@@markanthony3667 We are told in Scripture, we are to Test every spirit and sda is a Big Fail! No Gospel, No Jesus Christ Crucified which means No Salvation! Did you even read my comment or just the End? Remember without Lies adventism Dies! Do the Work! It's called Real Research!
@@markanthony3667you are dazed and confused heretic. It is the disgusting Adventist demonic cultists who damn the Body of Christ. The purpose of Adventism is to correct inaccurate interpretations of scripture and rebuke the pagan Sunday keepers. As a deplorable Adventist you have no part in the Body of Christ and are not the brother of any redeemed saint. You are an enemy of the Body of Christ who proclaims Christians are the daughter of a whore.
A person can be saved in an adventist church. But God will bring them out of that false church. That was me.
I doubt it. The mother of HARLOTS of the Catholic church. Come out of her and her fallen daughters it says in Revelation 18:4
@@TeeG-er3eh
If the Catholics are the "Mother HARLOT", why did your cult than sign a treaty with them to became part of the interfaith and ecumenical movement?
You are really uneducated and spiritual blind regarding this matters.
@@TeeG-er3ehThe Whore of Babylon is referring to Apostate Jerusalem in the 1st century before it’s destruction by the Romans. That’s why Apocalypse 17:16 says, “And the ten horns which thou sawest in the Beast: these shall hate the Harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.”
According to Leviticus 21:9, the punishment for a priest’s daughter who defiles herself by prostitution is burning by fire. Jerusalem prostituted herself with the kings of the earth, part of why Jesus threw out the money lenders from the Temple.
And Jeremiah 6:2 says, “I have likened the daughter of Sion to a beautiful and delicate woman.”
If the Whore is the Catholic Church then who is the Beast that the Whore rides on that eventually kills her??
The Beast is the Pagan Roman Empire and the ten horns represent the Ten Emperors of Rome before Jerusalem’s destruction in AD 70:
1. Julius Cæsar
2. Cæsar Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. Galba
8. Otho
9. Vitellius
10. Vespasian
According to Apocalypse 17:6 & 18:24, the Whore is “drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.”… “And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and if all that were slain upon the earth.”
Compare to Matthew 23:37, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children… and thou wouldest not?”
Yes, God will bring His out of the false Seventh-day Adventist chruch. I have heard of a few such as yourself with a similar testimony. Do you realize the Jesus of the Adventist chruch presented to you was false and have you now accepted the true Jesus of the bible?
@@TeeG-er3eh Rather than admit that they were wrong, Ellen White and the Millerites directed their unbridled venom at the Protestant Churches that condemned their *sinful* time-setting. Protestant Churches became the "Harlot Daughters of the Whore of Babylon" because
a). The Protestants correctly declared that time-setting was blatantly unbiblical and prohibited by the very words of Jesus;
b). The Millerite predictions did not just fail once, but twice and spectacularly.
So by correctly reading their Bibles and understanding its explicit command, and denouncing false time-setting, Protestantism has earned the perpetual hatred of Seventh Day Adventism.
Thank you for the video Jim. Please keep at it. I am not SDA but have family members who are and your videos are very helpful. The books Hiding in Plain Sight by EJ Lauriston are also helping me understand the false doctrines of SDA. I am appalled by what I am hearing and reading.
Thank you for stopping by and commenting and one of the reasons for the existence for this channel. I agree, the books Hiding in Plain Sight are a great new source. I too am appalled by what I hear and read from Adventists and it is what they say and write that is the basis for many of these videos
Thank you for this excellent eye opening video
Thank you for stopping by and do hit that like button to help YT offer this video so more SDA can watch. The SDA need to realize the overwhelming majority of those i the SDA chruch are not Christian.
It may be true that the great controversy changes lives but so would a good self help book however only the bible can lead you to salvation in the Lord Jesus.
That is right. many books "change lives" but only the bible leads to the Jesus of the bible.
SDA don’t read the Bible
Can u also feature, look into and analyze the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ) founded in 1914 in the Philippines stating they are the only religion to be saved in these last days? Ty
Thank you for the suggestion and this is a chruch I am well aware of. My problem, is that I do no have the time to expose every strange and wacky religion in existence, there are too many. But I will keep this in mind as I do occasionally do videos on other than Adventurist religions.
Elena white says in testimonies for the church volume 2 page 201 in the chapter the sufferings of Christ she(Elen white) say's (-He(jesus)is a brother in our infirmities, but not in possessing like
passions.)
Thank you Jim!
Hey, Nice to see you and blessings on your channel to the Spanish speaking world.
@@AcademyApologia thank you brother …all your videos are very valuable thank you for taking the time to create these very informative videos
Love these videos pls never delete these SDA videos at 🔥 Galatians 4:16 Have I now become your enemy because I am telling you the truth? Thank you brother you’re doing the Lords work 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you for stopping by these videos will keep coming...
Thank you for watching this video for us. Even those small parts are hard to listen to. "That church" probably was catholic :). I noticed that he thought that book was about illuminati (not far from the truth), but that's why he took it. Because he was looking for the devil. Also, what's going on with sda and education? So many students drop studies or never start, or finish but don't go to work because "waiting for the god to tell" them what to do 😮
I agree, he was not looking for the truth and those who are looking for something and are determined to reject Christianity, then God will given them over to their evil desires and allow him to believe a lie and that lie and delusion is the Great Controversy:
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 ESV (11) Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, (12) in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Do you think reading about conspiracies, things like Illuminati etc, is a drive that comes from the devil?
@@r.t.5767 Not likely, but it is a waste of time. There are more important and pressing issues which effect eternity that ought to be studied and acted upon.
Enjoyed the video.
Thanks for stopping by and this video is disturbing. There was nothing in this testimony which indicates he is a Christian. This testimony tells me he is not a Christian and this testimony is likely shared by millions of current Adventists. This means millions and millions of Adventists are not Christian and on their way to hell with a bible i their hand
I would like for an Sda to please explain this contradiction, and please read the whole thing before you answer.
Will we know the exact day and hour of Christ's second coming?
EGW: YES "As God has shown me in holy vision ... we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming" (Early Writings, pp. 15, 34, 285).
BIBLE: NO Matt 25:13 Therefore, keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
BIBLE: NO Matt 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angles in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
And before you say she did not contradict because God never said it was permanent or the the correct translation for the word know is “make known” so there for God revealed to her the day and the hour you will need to explain this straight from the 28 fundamental beliefs.
Belief 25 read the very last sentence, that says the time of this event has not been revealed yet. How is your church not in line with your prophet?
BELIEF 25: THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
The second coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour’s coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide. When He returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and together with the righteous living will be glorified and taken to heaven, but the unrighteous will die. The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ’s coming is near. The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 5:1-6; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; Rev. 1:7; 14:14-20; 19:11-21.)
I'm Adventist and guilty with no answer for you. One of the error discovery of which I was blinded too amongst the many other errors.
@@danieloostendorp9286 Thank you for your honesty. Like you said there are many more errors, so that begs the question, why stay Adventist if they openly adhere to Ellen writings and believe they are Holy Spirit inspired in fundamental belief 18, and reaffirm the confidence in her writings in the statement of confidence and then contradict her writings in belief 25? All on one website? Ellen White said either all of her writings are from God or they are all from the devil, and also that they are barricaded by thus saith the Lord, so it’s either all or none.
This opposition toward EGW is not new.
In fact, people will believe this even when its been debunked - even when a reasonable response has been provided.
Check this out for example: EGW begins on pg. 13 by saying "As God has shown me." So, before we even get to the quote in question, we must recognize these 5 words - as God has shown me.
(Did God show her? Did she lie about the vision? If EGW is God's messenger, why did He allow her to write this if it is a lie? Could this be an attack from Satan to deceive people? Do we really "know" what EGW meaning by "day" and "hour" of His coming and if so why does it contradict scripture? If you're going to blame EGW for what Canright wrote....then, you have to be consistent and blame God for what EGW wrote. Right?)
The point?
God will never remove the possibility of doubt from us.
We, in prayerful study and guidance by the Holy Spirit, must determine what is true based on what has been revealed to us. Simply following a popular belief that "sounds" right isn't always for our benefit. Final answer? Seek guidance on the from God - lean not to your own understanding. I believe God gave her the vision. I believe that I will never know the details of what God showed her. I ain't losing any sleep over it b/c my salvation rests in Jesus - not EGW's vision.
@@ineedrest7 To the point of do we know what Ellen meant by day and hour, yes we do, like you said that quote is from the day star in 1846, and she starts off by saying, “As God has shown me in holy vision” then she proceeds to talk about the vision in which God reveals to her the day and the hour like I put in the quote, then proceeds to talk about the coming of Christ and how she was alive when it happened. "Soon our eyes were drawn to the east, for a small black cloud had appeared, about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the sign of Son of man.... Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, "Alleluia!" as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment WE WERE CHANGED AND CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air", but if you don’t want to accept this as a second coming prophecy, I’ll will give this example and it’s not the only one, but even the SDA church admits it’s a failed prophecy of Jesus’ return.
“I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: “Some food for worms, [Sister Clarissa M. Bonfoey, who fell asleep in Jesus only three days after this vision was given, was present in usual health, and was deeply impressed that she was one who would go into the grave, and stated her convictions to others.] some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” 1T 131.3
So this was either 1855 or 1856 the church says 56, but it is found in testimony’s to the church 1855 so who knows. The church tries to cover this up by saying it’s a conditional prophecy. Then they use the book of Jonah where he tells Nineveh the city will be destroyed in 40 days. Then they repent and God doesn’t destroy them. So they say see there was a condition of unless you repent. Then they use the promise of the promise land to the Israelites and how they didn’t enter it and say see there was a condition of if you keep my commandments. And then they try to apply a condition to all of Ellen’s failed prophecies of Christ return by saying the free will of man effects the second coming of Christ because there wasn’t enough righteous people at that point, if all fails prophecies are considered conditional then Joesph Smith wasn’t a false prophet. Why would we hold God accountable for Ellen’s writing when they weren’t from God. You have to hold Ellen accountable for Canright because she was endorsing him. God was not endorsing Ellen because God does not make mistakes. By saying Ellen really was of God means either God lied to her, or God doesn’t even know the day and hour himself. Doesn’t make sense.
@@Jesus-alone
1. I've researched EGW Failed Predictions and do not see this one listed. I did see the food for worms one (you mentioned it) and found it to be a myth that is easily debunked. People will either (by faith) believe what she saw/heard what she experienced. Or, they will not believe it. Simple as that. I try to avoid EGW stuff b/c people are very rarely searching - most of the time their mind is already made up. Either God used her or He didn't. God's got enough wisdom to answer that clearly - if a person is open to being taught in their study. Its real easy to believe an article of lies if you don't know the truth.
2. The Great Disappointment of 1844 is well documented. Also, its the result of poor biblical interpretation. To my knowledge neither this vision nor the push for Jesus' return in 1844 were "predictions" by EGW. I believe she supported the believe that Jesus would return in 1844 (I believe she wrote something in response as well). I've decided a long time ago not to "debate" whether or not she is a true/false prophet. There is enough info. if a person chooses to believe it or doubt it - my hope is that if you are searching for truth in this area - search the scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit for clarity in your journey.
It would be more honest to examine the officially stated beliefs about salvation of a denomination from its own central, authoritative source.
Whereas, simply choosing a snippet of speech from a member of a denomination talking about the reasons for his being drawn to that denomination (versus others) and then treating that segment of speech, erroneously, as though it were meant to be an exposition of the denomination's doctrine on salvation, _critiquing it as though it were_ , then pointing out how it does not mention certain expected points of fundamental Christian doctrine on salvation and how it mentions other aspects of the denomination's beliefs, is not how a reasonable or fair assessment of what beliefs the denomination holds is made. It is how a blatantly deliberate (and transparent) straw-man attack is carried out.
Not a SDA member yourself you say?
One thing that I can mention is that you have exactly the same ignorant behavior and doctrine convictions that they do propagate.
1) _"It would be more honest to examine the offi.. ..."_
What about you go watch all 125 videos about this cult on this channel before mumbo jumbo anymore stupid accusations while you are the ignorant one here?
I belief that will be a great start.
2) _"It is how a blatantly deliberate (and transparent) straw-man attack is carried out."_
What abaut you start obeying Biblical laws what required from you to expose the doctrines of demons instead of defending it?
3) _"The ten commandments still stand in defining how to love God and our neighbor, .... , ...ohn makes clear that the commandments of God which we should keep ar.."_
So now you expect from me to believe you that you are not a SDA follower, yet you propagate law keeping like a real modern-day Pharisee, Go read a Bible man, you are still stuck in the dessert depending on your law keeping for salvation instead of to grow some FAITH in Christ. Goodness me, what the heck are you talking about?
4) _"Without acknowledging this identification of Yahweh for who he is, we can j..."_
Please don't bluff yourself by claiming that you have fist hand experience of who GOD is, you have never met HIM in person yourself, so don't waste ink preaching about a God on hearsay.
5) _" who worship on Sunday until now have taken the mark of the beast"_
_"It will not become the mark until it is defined as an act which denies God and constitutes the worship of another in His stead."_
Go sell your BS to ignorant gullibles like your parents who didn't taught you commonsense in the first place or the ability to comprehend what you have read in the Word of God. IF YOU READ IT AT ALL?
This video was not an examination of SDA doctrinal beliefs of salvation, that has been addressed in many previous videos. However, it is clear you either did not watch this video or watch with understanding. This video proves the principle method of SDA evangelism is the Ellen White book the Great Controversy and the contents of this book is heretical (Investigative Judgement, 3 Angels Gospel). A heretical book used to make converts (Great Controversy) results in the creation of heretics as this video shows.
@@AcademyApologia By the way, what is wrong with a 12-year old boy getting baptised? You called him "unregenerate" in the same tone one might use the word "degenerate". Are you Catholic and believe people should be baptised at birth before they have any clue at all as to what it means? If not, what is the problem with that?
@@mytwocents777 When Adventists or Sabbatarians cannot refute the content of a video, the best you can do is post a statement and/or complaint on a completely unrelated issue. A statement does not refute the video and a statement shows you utterly incapable of refuting the facts. Now, go find a bible, blow the dust off and try again.
@@AcademyApologia
He is a full blown SDA follower, even propagate doctrines out of the "Great Controversy" as the truth. Only thing he is shy to admit it that he was deceived by a cult and now following them instead of Christ.
Is this guy working for the church? He is, right?
What are you talking about?
Yep, he is a GC member and on the GC staff.
I'm not going to watch the video you are critiquing but it sounds like Ted wrote the script. 1 million Great Controvery's to the world.
In SDA community many people come saying they are looking for God and began to read g contraversy instead of the bible. In my area this year sda are overly active in going around and giving gc book to poor people who probably seek God 😢
i agree it is not worth your time to watch the ANN Scott Coppock video. I did it twice so you do not have to. I do recall the GC Great Controversy project to distribute this book. We need to all frequently visit thrift stores and buy these books when they eventually make it there and then destroy them.
@@liepa7768 If you and others could, it would be a great counter effort to distribute tracts exposing Adventism
My friend started a youth group in our church, it’s grown to around 40 teens regularly attending, we had a box of book dropped off at the front door and in the mix was a new wrapped in plastic Messages to young people… coincidence ? I don’t think it was !
I agree that there can changed lives by other means but eternal life is given only to those who believe in Jesus as Lord and saviour.
Yes, but you *MUST* have the right Jesus. There are now and have been 'fake" Jesus':
2 Corinthians 11:4 ESV For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
Examples of religions promoting a false Jesus are: Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Islam
@@AcademyApologia yes ,there are fake Jesus' so we will then
have to try the spirits using biblical principals to know the true spirit of the triune God.
Great resource to refute SDA false system
Yes and what is sad is that SDA member testimonies are not testimonies of Christians
This guy obviously has never read the book. Satan raises people up often to speak about things as though they know something when they know nothing.
Thank your for a typical Adventist comment which whines and complains, but does not include facts and data. But I am here to help.
Ellen White taught that Christ *did not die on the cross for a single sin* but only forgives sins in the Sanctuary of 1844.
“It is this coming, and not his second advent to the earth, that was foretold in prophecy to take place at the termination of the 2300 days, *in 1844.* Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies, and there appears in the presence of God, to engage in the last acts of his ministration in behalf of man,- *to perform the work of investigative Judgment, and to make an atonement* for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits.”
White, Ellen. The Great Controversy. Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1888, p. 480
Then in another *Bog Book* she says the same thing:
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
Now, do you agree with your so-called God inspired Spirit of Prophecy that Christ *did not die on the cross for the sins of mankind?* Are here teachings biblical or unbiblical?
“Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.”
“The field,” Christ said, “is the world.” But we must understand this as signifying the church of Christ in the world. The parable is a description of that which pertains to the kingdom of God, His work of salvation of men; and this work is accomplished through the church. True, the Holy Spirit has gone out into all the world; everywhere it is moving upon the hearts of men; but it is in the church that we are to grow and ripen for the garner of God.
“He that sowed the good seed is the Son of man.... The good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.” The good seed represents those who are born of the word of God, the truth. The tares represent a class who are the fruit or embodiment of error, of false principles. “The enemy that sowed them is the devil.” Neither God nor His angels ever sowed a seed that would produce a tare. The tares are always sown by Satan, the enemy of God and man.
In the East, men sometimes took revenge upon an enemy by strewing his newly sown fields with the seeds of some noxious weed that, while growing, closely resembled wheat. Springing up with the wheat, it injured the crop and brought trouble and loss to the owner of the field. So it is from enmity to Christ that Satan scatters his evil seed among the good grain of the kingdom. The fruit of his sowing he attributes to the Son of God. By bringing into the church those who bear Christ’s name while they deny His character, the wicked one causes that God shall be dishonored, the work of salvation misrepresented, and souls imperiled.
Christ’s servants are grieved as they see true and false believers mingled in the church. They long to do something to cleanse the church. Like the servants of the householder, they are ready to uproot the tares. But Christ says to them, “Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest.”
Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church, but He has not committed to us the work of judging character and motive. He knows our nature too well to entrust this work to us. Should we try to uproot from the church those whom we suppose to be spurious Christians, we should be sure to make mistakes. Often we regard as hopeless subjects the very ones whom Christ is drawing to Himself. Were we to deal with these souls according to our imperfect judgment, it would perhaps extinguish their last hope. Many who think themselves Christians will at last be found wanting. Many will be in heaven who their neighbors supposed would never enter there. Man judges from appearance, but God judges the heart. The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the harvest; and the harvest is the end of probationary time.
There is in the Saviour’s words another lesson, a lesson of wonderful forbearance and tender love. As the tares have their roots closely intertwined with those of the good grain, so false brethren in the church may be closely linked with true disciples. The real character of these pretended believers is not fully manifested. Were they to be separated from the church, others might be caused to stumble, who but for this would have remained steadfast.
The teaching of this parable is illustrated in God’s own dealing with men and angels. Satan is a deceiver. When he sinned in heaven, even the loyal angels did not fully discern his character. This was why God did not at once destroy Satan. Had He done so, the holy angels would not have perceived the justice and love of God. A doubt of God’s goodness would have been as evil seed that would yield the bitter fruit of sin and woe. Therefore the author of evil was spared, fully to develop his character. Through long ages God has borne the anguish of beholding the work of evil, He has given the infinite Gift of Calvary, rather than leave any to be deceived by the misrepresentations of the wicked one; for the tares could not be plucked up without danger of uprooting the precious grain. And shall we not be as forbearing toward our fellow men as the Lord of heaven and earth is toward Satan?
The world has no right to doubt the truth of Christianity because there are unworthy members in the church, nor should Christians become disheartened because of these false brethren. How was it with the early church? Ananias and Sapphira joined themselves to the disciples. Simon Magus was baptized. Demas, who forsook Paul, had been counted a believer. Judas Iscariot was numbered with the apostles. The Redeemer does not want to lose one soul; His experience with Judas is recorded to show His long patience with perverse human nature; and He bids us bear with it as He has borne. He has said that false brethren will be found in the church till the close of time.
Notwithstanding Christ’s warning, men have sought to uproot the tares. To punish those who were supposed to be evildoers, the church has had recourse to the civil power. Those who differed from the established doctrines have been imprisoned, put to torture and to death, at the instigation of men who claimed to be acting under the sanction of Christ. But it is the spirit of Satan, not the Spirit of Christ, that inspires such acts. This is Satan’s own method of bringing the world under his dominion. God has been misrepresented through the church by this way of dealing with those supposed to be heretics.
Not judgment and condemnation of others, but humility and distrust of self, is the teaching of Christ’s parable. Not all that is sown in the field is good grain. The fact that men are in the church does not prove them Christians.
The tares closely resembled the wheat while the blades were green; but when the field was white for the harvest, the worthless weeds bore no likeness to the wheat that bowed under the weight of its full, ripe heads. Sinners who make a pretension of piety mingle for a time with the true followers of Christ, and the semblance of Christianity is calculated to deceive many; but in the harvest of the world there will be no likeness between good and evil. Then those who have joined the church, but who have not joined Christ, will be manifest.
The tares are permitted to grow among the wheat, to have all the advantage of sun and shower; but in the time of harvest ye shall “return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.” Malachi 3:18. Christ Himself will decide who are worthy to dwell with the family of heaven. He will judge every man according to his words and his works. Profession is as nothing in the scale. It is character that decides destiny.
The Saviour does not point forward to a time when all the tares become wheat. The wheat and tares grow together until the harvest, the end of the world. Then the tares are bound in bundles to be burned, and the wheat is gathered into the garner of God. “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.” Then “the Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Thank you for yet another lazy Adventist comment. You prove just how intellectual and biblically bankrupt Adventism is with such a silly comment. And what is the intent here of copying and pasting all this text from Christ's Object Lessons? Why did you not cite your source? I would be embarrassed to also cite the false Seer Ellen White.
Wisdom is justified of her children
I would say with your brain you probably just dropped what was shared here in ChatGPT to figure out where it came from rather than read it to see if there is any truth in it.
@@symplybill Adventists are wholly not capable of creating a substantiative reply to the content of the video. Your comment which has no substantiative refutation of the facts of this video shows that Adventism has no replies, is intellectually bankrupt and biblically bankrupt. Adventists whine, complain and bemoan these videos, but whining is not a reply, but to whine appears to be an Adventist 'gift." You can try again and continue whining or attempt a substantiative comment.
Since it is hard for you to read anything longer than a paragraph...can we agree on this Scripture from Holy Writ the King James Bible..."And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3.
My mother was sda. She would tell people she was not Christian. She was pro USA first then a Sabbath Keeper. In that order
I too encounter many SDA who believe they are Christian, because that is what they have been taught. But any Adventist who affirms the 28 beliefs, is NOT a Christian.
What are your thoughts on what your mother believes.
James says: "Sincerity & niceness doesn't count very much in terms of Christian truth." The Holy Bible says: "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." Also, Christ says: "By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” It seems that the "gospel" advocated here is somewhat incoherent. This leads me to ask: Does the beautiful message of love proclaimed by Jesus Christ still guide his followers to the path of harmony & safety? If so, why did millions of Evangelical Christians in 2016 & 2020 allow a wolf to become shepherd of the flock & to surrender the fate of American people to the mercy of the malicious? I humbly suggest that the reason may be the misunderstanding of the Gospel. I could be wrong, though.
Sincerity is of no value if you have the wrong Christ and Adventist have the wrong Christ and are going to hell with bibles in their hands.
@@jeanclaude7018 Adventists are wholly not capable of creating a substantiative reply to the content of the video. Your comment which has no substantiative refutation of the facts of this video shows that Adventism has no replies. Adventists whine, complain and bemoan these videos, but whining is not a reply. You can try again and continue whining or attempt a substantiative comment.
Many will receive the mark of the beast before they see what they neglected.
Do you even own a bible? Why is so typical of Adventist to comments and never use a bible? Adventists are functional atheists! Here is your chance to redeem yourself:
What bible verse teaches Sunday Keepers will receive the Mark of the Beast? That verse is _________ ?
@@AcademyApologia, as with all Bible topics, it is vital to study all of the texts related to the particular subject. That way there is greater clarity and lessens a mistaken understanding. If someone truly wants to understand the mark of the beast, a good place to start is with the verses that identify the beast power pertaining to the mark. Daniel 7 : 23 KJV informs us that a beast in Bible prophecy is a kingdom or nation upon the earth. If you really want to understand this topic from the Bible, just ask and we can read another verse to grow our understanding. Have a Christ filled day.
@@michaeljohnson2815 Your answer above proves there is not a single bible verse which claims Sunday Keepers will ever get the Mark of the Beast. Adventism is biblically bankrupt as you have demonstrated.
Yeshua...please. at least use His true name. Thank you
The letter J is not part of the biblical alphabet
So now a name in different languages became a problem for you?
I though that it was God who decided that every nation must have its own language, now this god of yours aren't able to accept or understand that?
Is he a potato or what?
@@nonconformist4802
The Bible says we must proclaim the true name of our savior
@@RB-mv4fz
Were you born this stupid, or did you take special lessons to propagate this BS?
Go, and when you have met the LORD in person face to face, then come back to me and try again to convince me that the word Jesus is wrong. In the meantime, take a hike.
Ciao
@@DiscipleAcademy
The problem is not so much God that won't understand us, but its these dogs who can't face the name JESUS, as it's the only name by which we can be saved and able to withstand all evil at the same time.
@@nonconformist4802
Exodus 20:7
Deuteronomy 5:11
Psalms 148:13
Acts 2:21
There is no great controversy. It’s a fairy tale. Jesus has never been in a battle with Satan. Jesus easily defeated Satan ar Calvary.
Absolutely, it is a work of fiction written by a spirit medium who practiced magick (Green Cords, Dowsing, Phrenology, Necromancy)
You tell them Brother! ✌️🤠
Look at world around you.
@@TeeG-er3eh We do every day. It's why we cling to Jesus because He has already overcome the World.
@@RandomTChance you don't think there is a spiritual war going on?
I would guess from your understanding that Abraham, Isaac, Noah, Moses and all people of the Old Testament are doomed to hell since from my reading of the Old Testament, they in general did not acknowledge the Trinity. Moses, the Israelites were all known to be worshipper of One God, the I AM., not the trinity. I think it’s arrogant of any human being to think they have the true understanding of God to the point that if anyone else disagreed, then they are called heretical. This is nothing knew. In fact, I understand that The church persecuted, tortured,killed and fought wars over the nature of God in the name of God. Just because the Catholic Church prevailed doesn’t make them right. It also doesn’t make the decision made by the council of Nicaea right either. Even while the apostles were still alive, they referred to many heresies in the church. To say that the council of Nicaea had it all correct is presumptuous. As for me, when it comes to the trinity, I believe what the Bible says about it, no more, no less. If the precise understanding of the trinity was a requirement for salvation. I would like to think that Jesus would have said more on the topic and the apostles would have written more on the topic. It’s kind of silly for us that exist in the four dimensions to claim they understand the one not limited by dimensions. By the way, I guess by your reckoning, the apostles weren’t real Christians since they probably didn’t know how the trinity would be defined hundreds of years later. Sorry for the sarcasm but I think your hatred toward the SDA blinds you. Kind of like how liberals see everything conservatives do as wrong and vise Versa. By the way, all the SDAs I have come across (except one that claimed to be universalist) accepts Jesus as His only begotten Son.
Thank You for being the 112th Adventist to complain and whine about the video and not able to refute a single fact presented. Bravo!
You can deny God's church all you want. Whether this guy is a man of God or not, there is apostasy in every church, that doesn't make His church false. The Bible said at the time of the end there would be a vision. Who is yours? If it isn't Ellen White then it is either satanic or your own man made version. This is the worst excuse and claim against a church over one person. These liars will make up anything to make God's people look bad, only because they hate truth.
_"You can deny God's church all you want."_
You are confused regarding this matter.
_" there is apostasy in every church, that doesn't make His church false."_
May I ask that you provide for us a scripture to confirm this statement of yours, please.
_"The Bible said at the time of the end there would be a vision"_
Yeah, that false teachers and cults like the SDA will appear everywhere.
We already know that one
_" If it isn't Ellen White then it is either satanic or your own man made version."_
Thanks for the conformation that EGW is the QUEEN GOD of the SDA cult
_"These liars will make up anything to make God's people look bad,"_
Sorry, you have it wrong, your cult did generate a bad name without any help from the outside.
_"only because they hate truth."_
WHAT TRUTH?
That we have to keep the sabbath if we don't want to end up in hell?
That your god was ones an angel?
That your cursed gospel is actually the truth?
That your GODDESS EGW was not a witch?
Or That alah and the SDA god is the same as this SDA follower did claim? Well in this one I can believe for sure.
Please enlighten us about this so called SDA truth, We all need a good laugh on this first day of the week.
You typed above regarding visions "If it isn't Ellen White then it is either satanic or your own man made version." I agree and Ellen White was Satanic with Satanic visions. Anyone who denies the work of Christ on the cross is Satanic and anti-chriost. Ellen White denied that Christ died on the cross for the sins of man and that makes her antichrist:
1 John 2:22 ESV Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
Ellen White and others taught this heretical teaching of Christ as shown below. This is only a small sample of all the quotes I have and they all teach in harmony which is Christ DID NOT die on the cross for the sins of man:
*“The blotting out of the sins of the righteous is the closing work of Christ as our Great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. It cannot be accomplished before, as this is the atonement and that is the closing act of the ministration of the priest.* This work we understand commenced at the close of the great prophetic period of 2,300 days in 1844.”
“Lesson for the Third Sabbath in April” Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 10 April 1883. p. 226
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
“The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
You are free to accept the Christ created by Adventism in 1844 who did not die on the cross for anything, but if you do, there are eternal consequences:
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (23) And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
@@AcademyApologia you have added so much presumption and man based theology. So many lies in your interpretation of her words. It is you who ignore the Word of God and lacks understanding. For you deny the work Christ is still doing in the heavenly sanctuary which is the atoning work. I don't accept the Christ of Adventism, but the Christ of the Bible. The ordinances were the ones written by Moses but the immutable law was written in stone by the finger of God for which we will still be judged. She uplifts Christ you on the other hand like to take Christ out in this matter. The earthly was a type, a shadow, of the one who died and went to heaven to serve in the antitype, the heavenly sanctuary, where Christ is still serving and we are now in judgement hour, as of 1844 after the sanctuary was cleansed. It is you who hates the sanctuary message trying to destroy it. Faith and works go hand in hand, our faith and Christ work through each individual if we love him enough to keep His commandments. Not my work but His. I cannot boast by no means. You don't even understand the very meaning of iniquity which you put in writing, lawlessness. It was only the redemptive work finished at the cross. Her words speak truth.
@@toddarcand6002 Be clear, I gave you three Adventist quotes above. Are those three quotes teaching biblically not not biblically?
@@AcademyApologia they are biblical. In every way. The atonement was not finished at the cross. You believe the immortality of the soul. Judgement happens after death, but everyone sleeps until the resurrection either the first resurrection for the righteous or the 2nd after the millennium, the house of God judged first, and the wicked receive their judgement in the 2nd, where they will be burnt up, consumed. Not eternally burning.
Rom. 2:13-15 says "not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them."
Dear Mr. Apologia, if the Gentiles in Paul's day showed the work of the LAW was written in their hearts and so will be justified by their righteous acts, how much more one who KNOWS God and is obedient to His LAW as SDA? Aren't you standing beside everyone made clean by the word of God and vehemently accusing them? Read Zech. 3.
See, he speaks about repentance while you speak about the law. Do you know what a christian conversion is ? During those clips, I never heard him say he met God and realised he was a sinner. In fact, I hear the testimony of a non-believer who converted to principles without being born again. So yes, he is religious but not christian.
_"but the doers of the law will be justified"_
What about you read the following and justified your ignorance again, would love to hear what you have to say.
*"For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God"* Romans chapter 4
O my goodness, WHAT NOW Mr. LAW KEEPER?
So, let's address the first part of you comment before moving on the next. It appears you acknowledge that the Gentiles were at no time under or given the law. This alone refutes the SDA theology of an eternal law applicable to everyone. The apostle Paul just refuted Adventist theology.
You waterboard torture scripture heretic. Are you keeping all 613 Mosaic laws perfectly? If so, you don’t need a propitiation for your disgusting sins.
@@AcademyApologiaI can’t figure out if Adventists are deluded and bewitched or just low I.Q. individuals. Perhaps both. When your pen statements disprove your point you are not making a powerful and reasonable argument.
YHWH IS THE NAME OF THE MOST HIGH,AND HIS SON IS YEHOSHUA IS HIS SON .NO OVER NAME ,JESUS AND GOD IS NOT THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND SON.And the Son was the Messiah Not Christ.
_"And the Son was the Messiah Not Christ."_
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in *his Son Jesus Christ.* This is the true God, and eternal life.
Be glad, at least you are in a position where you can't be more stupid as what you are already are.
You are confused and off topic. Try again and them do us all a favor and post a coherent comment, do not repeat the rambling non-sense you posted above
Being nice is a politeness issue. A civility issue. God looks upon the innermost heart of a man and knows motives, and thought life, and desires. Humans are self interested beings. Christians are in the process of sanctification and emptying themselves of selfish desires and motives but they are still selfish beings. Adventists don’t get the depths of their sin. Here’s Walter Rea: “ Adventists think sin is an outward act. Sin is an attitude.” The haughty better than you Adventist attitude is sin. The smiling nice Adventist is a sinner who is a self righteous accuser of the brethren.
True and we know when an Adventists is perceived to be nice and reasonable, then the average and unthinking person on the outside gives Adventism credibility. This has been used to much success in Mormonism. But you and I know niceness means nothing. What matters is your doctrine. You can be nice and dressed in a suit and teach the most evil doctrine. Adventists are well groomed and mostly nice and civil, but their doctrines will send you to an eternity of hell.
Luke 6:37 "And do not judge and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned." Jesus What will be the standard of judgement? James 2:8-13 NASB
@@loyal7790 Adventist pompous Pharisees have been judging Christians since the mongrel dog demonic cult started. Adventist leaders shipped Adventist prophetess Ellen White off to Australia. Ellen instructed an Adventist evangelist to not tell the Christians he was going to be attempting to capture and indoctrinate that they are worse than heathens. Adventists do not have a ministry to lost pagans- they have a ministry of capturing Christians, and dragging them off into a heretical demonic cult. Ellen was clear that her opinion of Sunday keepers was that they were worse than non Christian heathens. Her words not mine. Adventists enjoy playing judge. Their pathetic lives revolve around judgment. They are sadomasochists who want God to judge them.
@@loyal7790 here’s Paul exhorting the Body of Christ to make wise judgments about Adventist cultists.
“ Watch out for the dogs, watch out for the evil doers, watch out for the mutilators of the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh. “ Philippians 3:2-3. God has commanded his Body of believers to judge what people say about Him and scripture. Adventists are evil doers. Heresy comes from evil doers. It requires judgment to make an evaluation of Adventism. God hates Adventism. We are going to destroy the Adventist demonic cult.
@@loyal7790 the standard of judgment is God’s word. The word of God judges Adventists to be heretics and blasphemers. Adventists trample the sacred blood of Christ by proclaiming the blood of Christ is not efficacious to blot out sin and carry sin away. The impotent Adventist false Jesus did not complete his atonement at Calvary and needs the help of Satan to accomplish his atonement. The word of God indicts Adventists. Your question had been answered.
the great controversary best book ever
Please read it then you will know what your are saying is very false
When Adventists or Sabbatarians cannot refute the content of a video, the best you can do is post a statement and/or complaint on a completely unrelated issue. A statement does not refute the video and a statement shows you utterly incapable of refuting the facts. Now, go find a bible, blow the dust off and try again.
I have read it and other major books by Ellen White. What this video presents is accurate based on my experience when I was an Adventist.
Salvation does not come from joining the right church or the remnant church, or the investigative judgement. According to Romans 10:9: "...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Salvation is based solely on faith in Jesus--His payment for our sins on the cross and His resurrection.
What is so sad, is that the person interviewed really thinks he was saved but never mentions forgiveness of sin, or that he needed forgiveness, or that Jesus paid the price of our sins so that those who believe will not perish but will have everlasting life. His remarks seem to me to be works based.
Ann, you said that "the great controversary best book ever".
Incorrect. The Bible is the best book ever!
Wouldn't you concur?
@@SundayKeeper agree the bible is the very best, but we were talking about the grest controversy
The great controversy teaches that Satan is the scapegoat. It's somewhere in the 400 pages. This is possibly the most anti-christianity statement anybody could make.