This is fascinating. I think my 3x great-grandfather worked there between about 1837 and 1843. I'm sure it had changed quite a bit over the 60 years until this film was taken but, nonetheless, it's great to have a bit of a glimpse of the site and the people. Thanks very much!
Two of my grandfathers worked at Parkgate. Was mostly a derelict site as I remember it in the 1980s as the steel activity on the northeast side of Rotherham had moved to Aldwarke and Roundwood.
Great film. Some of my fellow Yanks may be surprised to learn that that the young tough flashing his bow fingers is equivalent to our middle finger salute.
Not even slightly equivalent. The two are different gestures with different meanings in the UK. The middle finger gesture dates back to at least 400BC in Western culture, the two fingers are rather more recent.
Yeah, that guy just looked like he wanted a fight...it looked like he was saying something too...and I'm guessing he wasn't inviting the cameraman over for dinner...
ah yes child abuse is great, totally such a shame that child labour was banned. please learn about stuff before glorifying something that needs no glorification
Its a common belief that most of the Iron& Steel Works were in Sheffield , not true ! Rotherham played a major part in the production of Iron & Steel , but never got the credit !! Us Dee Dar,s like to give credit where it is due !!!!
With two fingers outwards and waving up and down means "Boll***s to you mate". Two fingers with palm outwards means "V" for victory as per Churchill, or "Good on you mate".
So the rude gesture a 1.01 is a gem!! whether it dates back to the 100 years war or not it obviously predates 1901 - even Churchill had to be told he should only do it palm front. Its a working class insult so the origin will probably never be known.
Ah yes, the good old days of child labour, working 80 hours a week, dangerous unsafe conditions, all to get just about enough money to buy a loaf of bread. Fuck nostalgia.
At least the kids could afford better looking clothing than even people od status carry on themselves in these days... Jokes aside, your point is naturally correct. Child labour was prevalent and even needed in some segments of industry then, just as they are today in Asian countries where those industries have fled. We should, however, notice that matters weren't necessarily that bad before industrialization. Child labour existed, but at least it was mostly at home (with your actual family or with the master whose apprentice you were) and one would learn the trade wilst working, providing skills for supporting oneself in the adulthood. The work was usually considerably less back-breaking, too. Before judging this and exclaiming 'children's right to childhood' we should contemplate that before urban-industrial society schooling was largely unnecessary for substantial majority of population and taking the trade was the only way of survival. How much more freedom we give our children, locking them into schools for the daytime 5-6 days a week in order to pour science into their (often unready) heads? This is not to promote nostalhia towards industrial era (a bleak one in my mind), but it provided BOTH our material welfare of today (making this 'children's right to childhood' possible) AND need to arm our children with modern science from early age in order to make them useful citizens an market force. Just food for thought.
Has anyone noticed in these old films how there are few if any obese or even obviously overweight people? Compared a typical scene that would be filmed today? Did they just eat less than we do, or work harder physically? Was it bad health that caused it?
farmerne it was 1901 and the shit we eat today like KFC ,MCDONALDS. didn't exist harder times yes for a mear pittance of pay but they worked unlike the benefit scrounging want all for nothing folk of 2017 .
@kutarc .They are not policemen...the uniform is wrong and the stripes are the wrong way up for sergeants stripes and placed on the cuff which is wrong as well. They are both carrying walking sticks so i am assuming that they are watchmen of some kind employed by the firm...but like you i am intrigued.
I just love this it is af avourite o' mine, sae t'is. especially tho'n loon what gies 'e V.(gien it '' oy! me, me!''). wow! they had such amazing lives and lived. wow!!!!!!!!
@rgwholt The Iron and Steel works employed and paid for private police before and after the local police force was introduced. This is probably who they are. These days the works would employ security guards.
Seeing those two security police coming down the street in the beginning of the video, has me expecting a young Charlie Chaplin to come by & kick them. Might have been more likely if filmed in London.
Yes... a roughness and a v sign... is it me or does this presenter come across as more than a little patronising? That little scuffle's a gem, looks like boxing might have been as popular in Sheffield then as it is today by the twinkle of that cap snatcher's toes. Can't help but wonder if our King's College historian here might be underestimating the lengths a couple of Northerners might go to to get their fancy footwork on film? What's a slap or two to these lads?
You know, it's quite unnerving seeing a comment this old written yourself... a letter or something is remembered... but a comment like this is completely forgotten and undated somehow, devoid of history or meaning, despite being written by a version of myself lives away... tis a mighty strange world we live in. I shall return in another 12 years. Will UA-cam still exist...? I rather doubt it... hmm. Until then, all the best.
The V sign originated from the English archers showing the French they still had the two fingers used to draw the string of there bow. When the archers were captured by the French they had the two fingers amputated.
How things have changed, supposedly for the better. We now have sexual exploitation of young girls who are being groomed by men of the Asian community. We are now divided by Culture and Religion. It was a hard life back then, but they were all together as one...
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath Who mentioned Muslims, they were Asian men exploiting young girls ,what was even more fucked up, people new what was happening...
These people also typically did not live much past the age of 30. Working for a factory in the early 20th century was nothing like it is today. Working conditions were deplorable at best and the food these people ate were mass produced rations that were just as bad as fast food today. Starving and working 18 hour shifts in a moldy, asbestos laden factory with no break will make anyone skinny. On the other hand, I sense a new diet regimen! Now if we can just get rid of those pesky labor laws.
''He was a simple worker. He made a historical sign, though.''
1:02 ive been told to f*ck off by a man 121 years ago
Amazing. A boy using a handkerchief - something you wouldn't see nowadays.
This is fascinating. I think my 3x great-grandfather worked there between about 1837 and 1843. I'm sure it had changed quite a bit over the 60 years until this film was taken but, nonetheless, it's great to have a bit of a glimpse of the site and the people. Thanks very much!
Two of my grandfathers worked at Parkgate. Was mostly a derelict site as I remember it in the 1980s as the steel activity on the northeast side of Rotherham had moved to Aldwarke and Roundwood.
Do the buildings still exist?
A great great grandad of mine, was in charge of the blast furnaces there in the late 1800s apparently.....
i bet the "obscene gesture guy" was probably not fun to get drunk with.
Great film. Some of my fellow Yanks may be surprised to learn that that the young tough flashing his bow fingers is equivalent to our middle finger salute.
It was the first time it was caught on film
Not even slightly equivalent. The two are different gestures with different meanings in the UK. The middle finger gesture dates back to at least 400BC in Western culture, the two fingers are rather more recent.
love this.
mi dad and mi grandad have worked there!!
We’ve never had it so good 😢
Yeah, that guy just looked like he wanted a fight...it looked like he was saying something too...and I'm guessing he wasn't inviting the cameraman over for dinner...
See? Even kids had to go to work in those days!
Long before then. children as young as four. worked down coal mines in England. They were called ''Hurriyers''.
ah yes child abuse is great, totally such a shame that child labour was banned. please learn about stuff before glorifying something that needs no glorification
Why am I not surprised to see this surly attitude displayed in Rotherham ? From what I can tell, it isn't that different today !
Happy harris
lot of those young men never made it to old age they were killed in the great war all for nothing
Probably not I imagine it was a reserved occupation
I was there.
A poignant reminder of what was once a flourishing industry in Parkgate, ....
All but gone now!
Probably working a fourteen hour day,
six days a week, on a couple of slices
of bread and dripping, no wonder
they are angry.
What is this song on the background? Original soundtrack? It's awesome...
Its a common belief that most of the Iron& Steel Works were in Sheffield , not true ! Rotherham played a major part in the production of Iron & Steel , but never got the credit !!
Us Dee Dar,s like to give credit where it is due !!!!
With two fingers outwards and waving up and down means "Boll***s to you mate". Two fingers with palm outwards means "V" for victory as per Churchill, or "Good on you mate".
it means fuck off.
yeah. the main theory (possibly based in myth) is that it symbolises use of a bow, and dates back to the england-france wars.
So the rude gesture a 1.01 is a gem!! whether it dates back to the 100 years war or not it obviously predates 1901 - even Churchill had to be told he should only do it palm front. Its a working class insult so the origin will probably never be known.
+Jill Harrison Bow Fingers: In contrast to the Continental Unifinger Violation!
It 99% doesn't date back to the hundred years war. bshistorian.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/two-fingers-up-to-english-history/
Necrovamp101 - Yes i agree - but as its a working class insult and thus is less likely to be recorded.
"even Churchill" would have been after 1901 though
@@Necrovamp101 Well, that looks legit.
Acho uma maravilha esses filmes
@Fronika
they couldn't afford food. flat caps don't come cheap you know
Ah yes, the good old days of child labour, working 80 hours a week, dangerous unsafe conditions, all to get just about enough money to buy a loaf of bread. Fuck nostalgia.
NoNoNWO opinions are like arseholes , everybody as got one and fuck you because without nostalgia life would be pretty bleak and cold
At least the kids could afford better looking clothing than even people od status carry on themselves in these days...
Jokes aside, your point is naturally correct. Child labour was prevalent and even needed in some segments of industry then, just as they are today in Asian countries where those industries have fled.
We should, however, notice that matters weren't necessarily that bad before industrialization. Child labour existed, but at least it was mostly at home (with your actual family or with the master whose apprentice you were) and one would learn the trade wilst working, providing skills for supporting oneself in the adulthood. The work was usually considerably less back-breaking, too.
Before judging this and exclaiming 'children's right to childhood' we should contemplate that before urban-industrial society schooling was largely unnecessary for substantial majority of population and taking the trade was the only way of survival. How much more freedom we give our children, locking them into schools for the daytime 5-6 days a week in order to pour science into their (often unready) heads?
This is not to promote nostalhia towards industrial era (a bleak one in my mind), but it provided BOTH our material welfare of today (making this 'children's right to childhood' possible) AND need to arm our children with modern science from early age in order to make them useful citizens an market force.
Just food for thought.
Has anyone noticed in these old films how there are few if any obese or even obviously overweight people? Compared a typical scene that would be filmed today? Did they just eat less than we do, or work harder physically? Was it bad health that caused it?
farmerne it was 1901 and the shit we eat today like KFC ,MCDONALDS. didn't exist harder times yes for a mear pittance of pay but they worked unlike the benefit scrounging want all for nothing folk of 2017 .
All food was homemade using natural ingredients unlike the processed crap in shops today.
@@Mr.Grimsdale jesus they would put chalk (like 40%) in bread because it was cheaper than flour. food was rubbish back then and not a lot of it.
@@badgerattoadhall Do you really believe that ?
@@Mr.Grimsdale absolutely i believe that.
The fight is like the dustmans fight over the odd halfpenny
@mrmagicroundcircle Far as I can see the youngest on the film (0.30) are maybe 4 so they would now be 114...
1901 - 2017... 116 ans 🙋
fascinating footage would be interesting to find out if any of these characters are still alive and what they may of thought of the film
@kutarc .They are not policemen...the uniform is wrong and the stripes are the wrong way up for sergeants stripes and placed on the cuff which is wrong as well. They are both carrying walking sticks so i am assuming that they are watchmen of some kind employed by the firm...but like you i am intrigued.
Postmen perhaps?
@dchris1990 Old is a relative term. Probably for working people like these, making it to 60 might have been quite an achievement!
I just love this it is af avourite o' mine, sae t'is. especially tho'n loon what gies 'e V.(gien it '' oy! me, me!''). wow! they had such amazing lives and lived. wow!!!!!!!!
@chanctonbury63 7 people in uk have reached the age 114 and one person has reached 115 so its not impossible
they'd be 124yrs old now 10 years later so its impossible now lol.
1:33 WTF
@MrStig691 No, I think he says "Y'twat" first and then "Me" when he points at himself
"Twit - Sod off."
(behind camera) "Who said that?!"
(turning)
"Me!!"
@rgwholt
The Iron and Steel works employed and paid for private police before and after the local police force was introduced. This is probably who they are. These days the works would employ security guards.
@gzmg361 yes i reckon you are right,
Seeing those two security police coming down the street in the beginning of the video, has me expecting a young Charlie Chaplin to come by & kick them. Might have been more likely if filmed in London.
They’re not policemen. Possibly postmen.
1:01 *Thug life detected(?)*
Yes... a roughness and a v sign... is it me or does this presenter come across as more than a little patronising?
That little scuffle's a gem, looks like boxing might have been as popular in Sheffield then as it is today by the twinkle of that cap snatcher's toes. Can't help but wonder if our King's College historian here might be underestimating the lengths a couple of Northerners might go to to get their fancy footwork on film? What's a slap or two to these lads?
Yes she does. Doesn't even explain it's meaning correctly.
@@WgCdrLudditeI've been sat here for twelve long years waiting for someone to reply to this comment. Thank you, I can now get on with my life. 😏
@@JesseP.Watson Well that's my good deed for the day then !
🤣@@JesseP.Watson 😂 ...legend.
You know, it's quite unnerving seeing a comment this old written yourself... a letter or something is remembered... but a comment like this is completely forgotten and undated somehow, devoid of history or meaning, despite being written by a version of myself lives away... tis a mighty strange world we live in.
I shall return in another 12 years. Will UA-cam still exist...? I rather doubt it... hmm.
Until then, all the best.
the days long before Geggs and Greggs babies. you can tell. they are not fat.
@alphadawn2015 lennon Me too. thanx.
I wonder if the filmographer(s) got a black eye.
I wonder if the young man was reprimanded for giving a V sign to the camera.
Looks like Alex Turner. Acts like him too.
@mrmagicroundcircle Its not impossible, however I doubt they would remember very much tho`!
I'm American (ignorant I know) but I have no clue what this V sign is.
Dont find out.
Fuck off if you dont know.
Micah stated it, but you may have took it wrong if you didn't know. ;) It's the same as our middle finger.
It's another way of saying 'get lost' or 'go away' but in a more aggresive fashion.
The V sign originated from the English archers showing the French they still had the two fingers used to draw the string of there bow. When the archers were captured by the French they had the two fingers amputated.
UTM
And now its turned Conservative.
Lol
Haha, that bloke at 1:10 thinks he's well hard!
I want to get in my time machine and go back and fight him...do you think he'd batter me?
@greenisland75 snob
come and take you on, LOL bint
@dchris1990 Thats because they were dead.
All those people and not one of them fat.
thats because everyone smoked
I beleive they are policemen.
How things have changed, supposedly for the better. We now have sexual exploitation of young girls who are being groomed by men of the Asian community. We are now divided by Culture and Religion.
It was a hard life back then, but they were all together as one...
Spot on mate.
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath
Who mentioned Muslims, they were Asian men exploiting young girls ,what was even more fucked up, people new what was happening...
@@grahamwilson2290 Calling them "Asian" men makes it sound like they are Chinese or something. They are almost all Pakistani Muslims. That's my point.
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath
Maybe i should have been more specific...
um, they were vastly more religious back then
These people also typically did not live much past the age of 30. Working for a factory in the early 20th century was nothing like it is today. Working conditions were deplorable at best and the food these people ate were mass produced rations that were just as bad as fast food today. Starving and working 18 hour shifts in a moldy, asbestos laden factory with no break will make anyone skinny.
On the other hand, I sense a new diet regimen! Now if we can just get rid of those pesky labor laws.
The mortality figures are skewed by the number of people dying before the age of five. Once you were past 5 you lived as long as most people
one can only imagine how utterly horrible and desolate their lives must have been .. interesting there is almost no women in this video ..
Could have picked a nicer part of Rotherham to film. Not sure why they filmed a load of teenage boys queing up for the toilets!
everyone looks so happy!
also...noones fat...and very few old people!