It's really been bad here in Houston. At one time there were four million people in the area without power and many of them (like us) also had no water either . . . for days. So, I've been holed up with the family dealing with all that. But the good news is that power, water, internet, and cell service are back to normal for us today. Now I'm trying to get a report from the farm, but my cousin slid off the icy dirt road into a ditch this morning trying to get up the road to check. All is ok with him. A neighbor came with a big tractor and pulled him out. Still waiting to see if the big ice has damaged the house there. I know some of the local growers have had chicken houses collapse from all the snow and ice. Btw, I think more snow is coming your way! Stay warm!
I've purchased several lever guns recently, and wanted to say how much i appreciate your videos. They have helped me disassemble, clean and take care of my rifles. thank you.
For those that do not have a brass punch: Use your steel punch by placing an expended 22 case on the business end of the punch. Use a little tape to keep it in place.
Outstanding notion! I just used some 3/16” bronze brazing rod stuck into a hole I’d drilled into a short piece of 1/2” mild steel rod. But your idea is superior because fabrication time is much shorter. Thanks!
What do you suggest if the sight won't budge to the left/right at all. Mine came from store significantly off and I tried hitting it with brass for an hour last night and it didn't budge. Then I hit it with steel and it put a ding in the dovetail part of sight. I feel that if I hit it any harder I am risking doing damage
George, once again you have done all of us a favor by explaining this rather basic but confusing site correction methodology. Thank you for all that you do. You made this grown man smile.
I have to think every time I adjust sights. The acronym "FORS" helps. (front opposite rear same) helps me keep it straight. Good comment on the use of the bench. My teachers ( father and his brothers ) told me the bench proves what the rifle can do. Positions prove what you can do with the rifle. Shooting off hand, sitting, or prone.... all fun range time! You really make good teaching videos and even shooters with a few years behind them and take info from your channel. Thank you!
Best place for information you can use and understand. I've referred a lot of new shooters to this channel, after I found it, to learn the right stuff. I'm a life time shooter at 65 in a small town in Oklahoma. I know guns but I've learned a ton from you and still do. Neat
Thanks! Making videos for public consumption and comment has forced me to do research. In some cases it has confirmed what I knew, in other cases the research pointed out my own shortcomings. Either way, it has been a great experience for me and I'm glad to know a helpful one to my viewers as well. Thank you again.
Nice job on the explanation, and lots of fun! One thing that might be of interest, particularly if you have installed aftermarket sights, is that you may find you have reached your limit either up or down on the rear sight, in which case the front sight will require adjustment or replacement (obviously you can't make the front sight taller). The direction of adjustment on the front sight is the opposite of the rear sight - if the point of impact needs to be lowered, you must raise the front sight (replacement, here we come). If the point of impact needs to be raised, get out your file and shorten the front sight. An easy way to remember this rule is the acronym FORS - Front Opposite, Rear Same.
You are welcome! Things are somewhat normal here in Houston, but back at the farm they are still in lockdown mode with almost impassible roads and no power. But all in all, we have been blessed through this with no damage here or there (except for a lot more trees down because of all the ice).
Great video again. I use irons (Williams Peep) on my 24" 1972 Win also. It has an original very fine brass bead up front and it likes Hornady LEVERevolution ammo. On several occasions, from the bench it has produced 1"-1.5" groups at 100yds. I shot a black bear at just under 200yds and a buck deer at 168yds as the longest shots to date. It also has accounted for several deer under 125yds and a cow elk at 55yds. I do take it Bighorn Sheep hunting here in Western Canada although I have not gotten any yet but Bighorn are not hard to hunt, just hard to find. My Marlin XLR 30-30 24" only loves 170gr Nosler Part and Fed Power Shok. It will shoot 1.5"-1.75" with a 2.5x Scope (may go back to Williams again). Properly aligned iron sights are underrated and remarkably accurate with consistent practice. Keep up the great videos George.
Thanks Larry. You are so right about Iron sights being "capable". Because of the channel, I have used open and peep sights more in the last two years than anytime in my life and I have greatly improved my proficiency with them. I think I would be comfortable taking shots on game out to 150 yards if lighting was good and the quarry was not moving.
My Rossi R92 44 mag stainless with the 20 inch barrel loves the Remington 180gr jsp best of all. I had a 3 shot, 100 yard group that was right at if not a hair under 1 inch center to center.
Outstanding presentation. I think your 100 yd groups were good. Considering that the front post probably obscured the target it is difficult to tell if more adjustment is necessary or not. but moving the rear sight up one notch will probably do it for you. Today is Monday the 15th and we are blanketed in snow and 17degs. As an East Texan, I just don't see how folks live up north. I've always heard the only reason folks live up north is because they have jobs. Not sure a job would make me move up north 😃
Good to hear from you Max. Services just returned here in Houston last night so this is the first time I have been online in almost a week. I'm guessing you have had more snow and ice in East Texas. I know the farm has. Things are bad there, I just can't get a good report to know how bad. I do know some of the chicken growers are experiencing collapsed houses.
I'd just shoot and adjust until I got it where I wanted, but back then ammo was relatively cheap. Of course the only gun I had that ever needed much adjustment was granpa's old 22 bolt gun. It got carried and tossed in the truck a lot, so it could get knocked out of adjustment readily, my 30 30 was tight, and once set never seemed to need adjustment. the few pistols we had didn't have adjustable sights.... well not readily adjustable. Need the brass punch to do anything with them, and we didn't have one, so we just learned how it shot and adjusted our aim accordingly. back in the day we didn't do a lot with pistols (and or revolvers depending on your terms of speech)
@@TargetSuite Here's the story of the sights getting way out. We went practicing, then I had to go to the indoor range to qualify to get my hunter safety card....to shorten the story, a dozen shots in, I wasn't hitting the target let alone the bullseye. When I could get a look close up at the target.. more specifically the cardboard target holder, I found a group of shots just off the paper high and to the right. Rather than try to adjust the sights then and there, I simply aimed low and to the left, that got me a good enough score to get my card. I don't know how they do it these days, but for our safety cards through the 4H program, we had not only book training but field training as well, and had to prove we could shoot competently. I imagine it's all book learning now.
A VERY complicated treatise regarding a VERY simple task. When you were shooting, we, the audience, had no idea of your point of aim. Initially were you holding at the bottom of the steel plate or your perception of dead center...? Same at 25 yard on paper target. Were you holding at 6 o'clock RE the bottom of the black, or 6 o'clock of the 10 ring, or were you holding on your perception of the center of the red dot? At 100 years, was that steel plat 6 or 7 inches diameter and where was you POA? Makes a heck of a difference. Personally, I hold dead center on my desired point of impact and I use a dot of contrasting color as small as I can easily see at the desired distance.
Great point and definitely an oversight on my part. I was aiming at the center of the targets because the Marble Arms Bullseye peep makes a perfect frame for center of mass aiming.
Target Suite, I have just joined the Rossi M92 club and am wondering what touch ups, adjustments, and modifications could be done to make things run better and more comfortable for the operator. It would be neat to see what you've done to yours, what you plan on doing with it, and/or your thoughts on alot of these adjustments many people make to their own. Love learning from your videos and thanks a heap.
Hi Nathan. The Rossi I featured belonged to a friend of the channel, so I could not make any modifications to his rifle. I did plan to buy one a few weeks ago but it was gone before I got to the store. So, I "settled" for this Win 1892. I still have the R92 in mind, but until I have freedom to dig around inside my own, I can't say much about the needed adjustments. Sorry.
hi George A little late but that's okay. It's funny George how I have kind of forgot how to readjust the rear sight. Because once it's on target I leave it alone LoL. And by the way "big orange" did good 😂. Very well put together video and demonstration. I know it will help a lot of new and some of us older shooters a lot. Sure hope the snow and cold is all gone for y'all down there in Louisiana and Texas!
@@TargetSuite George, you are so famous that shooters cannot miss your channel on UA-cam! ^-^. Joe Allan gave me your link. I am still watching your videos, very well made videos!
I would suggest making an index mark at the base of the site on the barrel before moving a dovetail site .it let's you know if You've actually moved it , how far and if you have to go back a bit,where you originally started. Least that's what I do.
Good job George. As usual. Appreciate your level of inventiveness and detail. Unless you’re not looking for greater accuracy, wouldn’t it make more sense to shoot at a sighting in target with one inch graduations to know exactly where you’re hitting, instead of a swinging steel gong? Look forward to the follow up.
Good question about the swinging plate, but that was meant to be "entertaining" and "good enough" to get me to the next level. And the group was small enough to indicate it is too low at 100 yards. As I said, more work to be done ;-)
Great video. Lots of fun and what a beautiful rifle! I admit I had to laugh when you talked about being cold. It’s currently -30C and was -42C a couple days ago! 😂 I find the same issues with my 444. The math doesn’t always equal real world results.
Siting seems to be a challenge for a lot of people . You should use a stable platform for fine tuning . I have seen some great offhand shooting but for most of us we need something to shoot from . Great video .
Enjoyed your video as always. If your 357 will shoot 38 special, it would be nice to see the difference in range and point of impact. Maybe Big Orange could have been verifying your velocity with the temperature change if that had an impact? I added a dot in the center of my steel to help maintain POA.
You have such impeccable taste in firearms. I'd love to try an Winchester 1892 in 44 mag and compare it to my Marlin. As it is now I'm about to throw my Marlin 1894 SBL into the woods, I just can't get the thing to group consistently. Out of a 3 shot group at 50 yards, 2 will be touching and 1 will miss the 12" plate entirely. I've tightened, torqued, cleaned, etc everything I can think of and used more than a half a dozen factory loads and nothing seems to work (with some pretty extreme poi shifts between brands as well). It does a lot better with the mag tube and foreend removed, so maybe filing the foreend is maybe the next step.
One of the flaws of the levergun design is that "stuff" is hung from the barrel. That doesn't mean leverguns can't be accurate (check my last two videos) but it can be an issue. Your sample just seems to be extra problematic. Are you shooting factory jacketed ammo? Reloads? Cast bullets?
@@TargetSuite I've tried a variety of jacketed and some hard cast bullets, all factory. Some are better than others, but non I'd feel confident making an important shot with. I'll keep working with it to see if I can get it to behave. It's such a handy length rifle, trigger is good, and the action is buttered glass. You've certainly gotten those last two rifles pretty well dialed in. BTW, big thumbs up for the target cam!
@@onpsxmember That was an example. I could fire a whole box and I would see similar inconsistencies. And in a hunting situation one shot is often all you get. If 33% of the rounds would be a foot off the target, I don't like those odds.
F.O.R.S- front opposite, rear same. So with his shots, rear sight moves down, and front sight moves right. You move your rear iron sight the direction you want your shot to go. You move your front sight opposite you want it to go ( shot right, so move it right, to make the shot go left). There, I saved you all time!
Omg man that 1892 is beautiful. It looks brand new. Drool lol another great one thanks. I just bought a Henry big boy 44 I would like to see a video if you can on this gun. Its got a Octangular barrel. Idk how to get the year of manufacturing. Maybe you might know. Anyways thanks again.
And we are going to have about 100 hours of at or below freezing temps in NW Louisiana. I can't remember that ever happening before. The low Monday is supposed to be 8 degrees. I know that isn't minus double digits like some of my Canadian friends but relatively speaking, that pretty brutal on our southern infrastructure.
Well done George or should I say Professor. Just to muddy the waters a bit some pistoles require one to move the front sight . I think the Shield is like that and it is the opposite of the back sight movement. I prefer to move the rear though , much simpler to remember. Nice shooting too . Well how does the new Winnie stack up against the 92 44 mag so far?
You are right to point out the front sight oversight. I should have mentioned that. As far as the two '92s go, the 44 mag has quite a few rounds through it now and it is really smooth. The .357 snags every now and then (as you could see in the video). But I have spent very little time with that rifle, so it may just be angry with me 😉
Thanks! I will keep my Leupold 1.5X4 Freedom scope on the older (1959) 336 for "serious" work and the Lyman peep on the waffle top. Are you staying warm in the frozen north? ;-)
What do you suggest if the sight won't budge to the left/right at all. Mine came from store significantly off and I tried hitting it with brass for an hour last night and it didn't budge. Then I hit it with steel and it put a ding in the dovetail part of sight. I feel that if I hit it any harder I am risking doing damage
Hi George, love watching your vids, I've got a Winchester 92 as well (Miroku) and I'd really like to get one of the Marble peep sights like you have there. My problem is I'm finding it really difficult to find a shop,in the US that will ship to the UK. I've asked a couple, looked on eBay, no luck. No one seems to stock them here. Could you tell me the model number of that sight, and if poss where you got it, I could maybe try them. Thanks Chris
Thanks. It looks like Brownells.uk has them in stock. Here is the link www.brownells.co.uk/RIFLE-LONG-BULLSEYE-REAR-SIGHT-Rifle-Adjustable-Peep-Long-Bullseye-Rear-Sight-Black-MARBLE-ARMS-Universal-Rifles-Adjustable-Peep-Sights-579000164
Thanks for the advice. A good idea for adjusting the rear sight (for windage) on your lever action is to first put some masking tape over the barrel in front of the rear sight up against the front part. Mark the middle of the tape ( yours has a pointy centre section) with a lead pencil draw a straight line towards the front of the gun. This gives you a reference for when you drift over the sight with a punch instead of guessing like you have. I got this information from GunBlue490 on youtube and thought it worthwhile to share Thanks again 👍
Paul it is an awesome sight! I have it on three rifles. But it works best with a Patridge (flat top blade) front sight. I'll be replacing the front sight on this one soon.
It's ok, but the round brass bead just naturally wants to be in the middle of the round aperture. And if the center of the round bead is centered on the target it covers up too much. Great for shooting large targets close up, but not good for more "precise" work.
So I was wondering, were you really hitting low? It seemed to me that some of the hits were on the out swing of the plate, this would make them appear to be hitting low even though they may not have been. Just an observation. Thanks for all the excellent content.
I posted a vid about the 44 Rossi R92 but didn't really focus on accuracy. But one thing about the Rossi is that it has a very slow twist rate at 1:30 (all their models) so it won't stabilize bullets much heavier that 240gr in 44 caliber or 158gr in .357 caliber.
When adjusting the rear sight left or right the slightest movement of the sight will make a big difference on point of impact. Keep that in mind. Cheers.
Hey George! I hope y’all are holding up well! I’ve long thought about, nay- drooled over, several rifles in .357 mag. Warnings about lust and coveting come to mind. Haha!
Back in the day 99% of all rifles had iron sights. We would adjust to match our load and many would be shocked to know how very little adjustments will affect where the bullet hits at 100 yards or further. Nowdays most rifles do not have irons and if your scope goes south your hunt is over.
Very good! Irons are a lost skill these days. My salty old Marine Dad was in Veitnam and he didnt beleive in optics so i never had any growing up 😂. I had to shoot irons or nothing at all. So over the years i got pretty good with them. Now im 40 and like the old man ive never had a optic 😂. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree i guess 😂. Guess i got good enough with irons i never felt the need for a optic
See now, had it been me, amd a casing landed standing up I would have wrapped everything up for the day while saying i meant to do that ...and nobody would know the difference.
Hi Paul. Unless you pay for UA-cam premium, ads are a necessary part of UA-cam. It's how they exist and it's also how creators can afford to make content. But there should only be three ads in that 20 minute video.
When it comes to remembering which way to move which sight I like the F.O.R.S. method . To bring your P.O.I. to P.O.A. you move the Front opposite direction and the Rear same direction . FORS
Hope your all OK with the storms. We've had snow snow snow
It's really been bad here in Houston. At one time there were four million people in the area without power and many of them (like us) also had no water either . . . for days. So, I've been holed up with the family dealing with all that. But the good news is that power, water, internet, and cell service are back to normal for us today. Now I'm trying to get a report from the farm, but my cousin slid off the icy dirt road into a ditch this morning trying to get up the road to check. All is ok with him. A neighbor came with a big tractor and pulled him out. Still waiting to see if the big ice has damaged the house there. I know some of the local growers have had chicken houses collapse from all the snow and ice. Btw, I think more snow is coming your way! Stay warm!
@@TargetSuite Glad you folks are OK ,that is NE Ohio winter weather not Texas . Hang in there.
Thanks! With all that's gone one we have faired pretty well.
@@TargetSuiteand that's exactly why prepping is necessary!!!
@@TargetSuitewhen you're one of 4 million without you don't know if you'll be the first or last to be restored.
I've purchased several lever guns recently, and wanted to say how much i appreciate your videos. They have helped me disassemble, clean and take care of my rifles. thank you.
That's great to hear. Thanks!
For those that do not have a brass punch: Use your steel punch by placing an expended 22 case on the business end of the punch. Use a little tape to keep it in place.
Great suggestion!
Learn something new everyday. Thanks CallawayKen
Outstanding notion! I just used some 3/16” bronze brazing rod stuck into a hole I’d drilled into a short piece of 1/2” mild steel rod. But your idea is superior because fabrication time is much shorter. Thanks!
Haha, I came up with that too. It works great
What do you suggest if the sight won't budge to the left/right at all. Mine came from store significantly off and I tried hitting it with brass for an hour last night and it didn't budge. Then I hit it with steel and it put a ding in the dovetail part of sight. I feel that if I hit it any harder I am risking doing damage
George, once again you have done all of us a favor by explaining this rather basic but confusing site correction methodology. Thank you for all that you do. You made this grown man smile.
Thanks! I appreciate that! Keep smiling ! ! !
I have to think every time I adjust sights. The acronym "FORS" helps. (front opposite rear same) helps me keep it straight. Good comment on the use of the bench. My teachers ( father and his brothers ) told me the bench proves what the rifle can do. Positions prove what you can do with the rifle. Shooting off hand, sitting, or prone.... all fun range time! You really make good teaching videos and even shooters with a few years behind them and take info from your channel. Thank you!
Thank you! I appreciate your encouraging words.
Best place for information you can use and understand. I've referred a lot of new shooters to this channel, after I found it, to learn the right stuff. I'm a life time shooter at 65 in a small town in Oklahoma. I know guns but I've learned a ton from you and still do.
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Thanks! Making videos for public consumption and comment has forced me to do research. In some cases it has confirmed what I knew, in other cases the research pointed out my own shortcomings. Either way, it has been a great experience for me and I'm glad to know a helpful one to my viewers as well. Thank you again.
Nice job on the explanation, and lots of fun! One thing that might be of interest, particularly if you have installed aftermarket sights, is that you may find you have reached your limit either up or down on the rear sight, in which case the front sight will require adjustment or replacement (obviously you can't make the front sight taller). The direction of adjustment on the front sight is the opposite of the rear sight - if the point of impact needs to be lowered, you must raise the front sight (replacement, here we come). If the point of impact needs to be raised, get out your file and shorten the front sight. An easy way to remember this rule is the acronym FORS - Front Opposite, Rear Same.
Great comment. Thanks!
This is an outstanding demonstration of adjusting the iron sights, Thank You.
Thank you! I appreciate that. And thanks for watching!
Thanks for taking the time to make this instructional video. Hope all is well down there. God Bless
You are welcome! Things are somewhat normal here in Houston, but back at the farm they are still in lockdown mode with almost impassible roads and no power. But all in all, we have been blessed through this with no damage here or there (except for a lot more trees down because of all the ice).
Great video again. I use irons (Williams Peep) on my 24" 1972 Win also. It has an original very fine brass bead up front and it likes Hornady LEVERevolution ammo. On several occasions, from the bench it has produced 1"-1.5" groups at 100yds. I shot a black bear at just under 200yds and a buck deer at 168yds as the longest shots to date. It also has accounted for several deer under 125yds and a cow elk at 55yds. I do take it Bighorn Sheep hunting here in Western Canada although I have not gotten any yet but Bighorn are not hard to hunt, just hard to find. My Marlin XLR 30-30 24" only loves 170gr Nosler Part and Fed Power Shok. It will shoot 1.5"-1.75" with a 2.5x Scope (may go back to Williams again). Properly aligned iron sights are underrated and remarkably accurate with consistent practice. Keep up the great videos George.
Thanks Larry. You are so right about Iron sights being "capable". Because of the channel, I have used open and peep sights more in the last two years than anytime in my life and I have greatly improved my proficiency with them. I think I would be comfortable taking shots on game out to 150 yards if lighting was good and the quarry was not moving.
My Rossi R92 44 mag stainless with the 20 inch barrel loves the Remington 180gr jsp best of all. I had a 3 shot, 100 yard group that was right at if not a hair under 1 inch center to center.
Outstanding presentation. I think your 100 yd groups were good. Considering that the front post probably obscured the target it is difficult to tell if more adjustment is necessary or not. but moving the rear sight up one notch will probably do it for you. Today is Monday the 15th and we are blanketed in snow and 17degs. As an East Texan, I just don't see how folks live up north. I've always heard the only reason folks live up north is because they have jobs. Not sure a job would make me move up north 😃
Good to hear from you Max. Services just returned here in Houston last night so this is the first time I have been online in almost a week. I'm guessing you have had more snow and ice in East Texas. I know the farm has. Things are bad there, I just can't get a good report to know how bad. I do know some of the chicken growers are experiencing collapsed houses.
I used to live in New Yawk. Used to is enough for me not to move north again..
@@erneastersr8298 😂
For some folks, me included, it's very hard for them to understand windage adjustment while zeroing iron sights. Thanks for the simple explanation.
Haha! Believe me, I forget too, but making this video has cemented the right move in my mind, at least until I forget again!
That is such a sweet rifle!
It really is. But I do need to get some good accuracy loads worked out. It will be a fun project to say the least :-)
Thank you for this video. I’ll be sighting in a 1950 Marlin SC with a Williams peep once the temps get back around 32.
Awesome. Did you see the video I did on my own 1950 SC, with Williams peep?
@@TargetSuite I did see that one comparing the 2 rifle grooves. Did you need a taller front site for the waffle top using the Williams?
I did. Just happened to have one in my "take off" box.
I'd just shoot and adjust until I got it where I wanted, but back then ammo was relatively cheap. Of course the only gun I had that ever needed much adjustment was granpa's old 22 bolt gun. It got carried and tossed in the truck a lot, so it could get knocked out of adjustment readily, my 30 30 was tight, and once set never seemed to need adjustment. the few pistols we had didn't have adjustable sights.... well not readily adjustable. Need the brass punch to do anything with them, and we didn't have one, so we just learned how it shot and adjusted our aim accordingly. back in the day we didn't do a lot with pistols (and or revolvers depending on your terms of speech)
Great comment. Good to hear form you as always!
@@TargetSuite Here's the story of the sights getting way out. We went practicing, then I had to go to the indoor range to qualify to get my hunter safety card....to shorten the story, a dozen shots in, I wasn't hitting the target let alone the bullseye. When I could get a look close up at the target.. more specifically the cardboard target holder, I found a group of shots just off the paper high and to the right. Rather than try to adjust the sights then and there, I simply aimed low and to the left, that got me a good enough score to get my card. I don't know how they do it these days, but for our safety cards through the 4H program, we had not only book training but field training as well, and had to prove we could shoot competently. I imagine it's all book learning now.
This is really an excellent period of instruction! - Gunny T sends
Thanks!
it is a excellent way of adjusting the windage
I like your videos..very entertaining and informative as well..
Thanks! I appreciate that.
Good video, good info!. Great shooting at 100 with open sights!
Thanks! I really appreciate that!
A VERY complicated treatise regarding a VERY simple task. When you were shooting, we, the audience, had no idea of your point of aim. Initially were you holding at the bottom of the steel plate or your perception of dead center...? Same at 25 yard on paper target. Were you holding at 6 o'clock RE the bottom of the black, or 6 o'clock of the 10 ring, or were you holding on your perception of the center of the red dot? At 100 years, was that steel plat 6 or 7 inches diameter and where was you POA? Makes a heck of a difference. Personally, I hold dead center on my desired point of impact and I use a dot of contrasting color as small as I can easily see at the desired distance.
Great point and definitely an oversight on my part. I was aiming at the center of the targets because the Marble Arms Bullseye peep makes a perfect frame for center of mass aiming.
@@TargetSuite I like that sight and my Win '92 44-40 wears it.
How about a Hickok45 and Target Suite collab??? That would be pretty cool
That would be great, but Mr. Hickok45 is a little out of my league.😉
Target Suite, I have just joined the Rossi M92 club and am wondering what touch ups, adjustments, and modifications could be done to make things run better and more comfortable for the operator. It would be neat to see what you've done to yours, what you plan on doing with it, and/or your thoughts on alot of these adjustments many people make to their own. Love learning from your videos and thanks a heap.
Hi Nathan. The Rossi I featured belonged to a friend of the channel, so I could not make any modifications to his rifle. I did plan to buy one a few weeks ago but it was gone before I got to the store. So, I "settled" for this Win 1892. I still have the R92 in mind, but until I have freedom to dig around inside my own, I can't say much about the needed adjustments. Sorry.
@@TargetSuite thanks so much for lettin me know. Hope your liking the winchester so far, and looking forward to new videos.
I'm loving the .357 1892. But like any new relationship, it take a while to get to know one another 😄
interesting, cool explanation. F.O.R. (front opposite rear the same) to adjusting right and left .
Thanks!
hi George A little late but that's okay. It's funny George how I have kind of forgot how to readjust the rear sight. Because once it's on target I leave it alone LoL. And by the way "big orange" did good 😂. Very well put together video and demonstration. I know it will help a lot of new and some of us older shooters a lot. Sure hope the snow and cold is all gone for y'all down there in Louisiana and Texas!
Hi Terry. Cold is gone here in Houston. I think the farm still has snow on the ground. Heading there soon to see what kind of damage the ice caused.
It is so nice to see an old friend to shoot a new gun! How are you doing, Sir? Very nice video! Very glad to see you are so enjoying your retirement!
Wow! Hi Bin! How are you doing? And how did you find me on UA-cam?
@@TargetSuite George, you are so famous that shooters cannot miss your channel on UA-cam! ^-^. Joe Allan gave me your link. I am still watching your videos, very well made videos!
Thanks. Message me on Facebook at Target Suite so I can get your contact info. Or you could message me on Instagram @targetsuite.
@@TargetSuite George, I messaged you in Facebook. Did you see it?
I would suggest making an index mark at the base of the site on the barrel before moving a dovetail site .it let's you know if You've actually moved it , how far and if you have to go back a bit,where you originally started. Least that's what I do.
Good job George. As usual. Appreciate your level of inventiveness and detail. Unless you’re not looking for greater accuracy, wouldn’t it make more sense to shoot at a sighting in target with one inch graduations to know exactly where you’re hitting, instead of a swinging steel gong? Look forward to the follow up.
Good question about the swinging plate, but that was meant to be "entertaining" and "good enough" to get me to the next level. And the group was small enough to indicate it is too low at 100 yards. As I said, more work to be done ;-)
@@TargetSuite That’s what I figured. Still fun to watch!
Great video. Lots of fun and what a beautiful rifle!
I admit I had to laugh when you talked about being cold. It’s currently -30C and was -42C a couple days ago! 😂
I find the same issues with my 444. The math doesn’t always equal real world results.
Haha! I figured my northern brothers would laugh at these "frigid" conditions.
I always enjoy your videos
Thank you sir!
Great Videos good reminders. I'm a fan of lever actions. Especially appreciate their not 10 years old.
Thanks! I'm a fan too!
Love it George, nice shooting too!
Thanks Gary!
The casing landing was awesome 😂
Excellent job
Thanks! I appreciate that!
@@TargetSuite I think Do you have the best video on the subject
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Siting seems to be a challenge for a lot of people . You should use a stable platform for fine tuning . I have seen some
great offhand shooting but for most of us we need something to shoot from . Great video .
Thanks Spencer!
Enjoyed your video as always. If your 357 will shoot 38 special, it would be nice to see the difference in range and point of impact. Maybe Big Orange could have been verifying your velocity with the temperature change if that had an impact? I added a dot in the center of my steel to help maintain POA.
It says .357 Magnum only but I am working on 38-like loads in the Magnum cases. Best of both worlds.
Nice tip with the stick😎👍
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Thanks! And thanks for watching!
You have such impeccable taste in firearms. I'd love to try an Winchester 1892 in 44 mag and compare it to my Marlin. As it is now I'm about to throw my Marlin 1894 SBL into the woods, I just can't get the thing to group consistently. Out of a 3 shot group at 50 yards, 2 will be touching and 1 will miss the 12" plate entirely. I've tightened, torqued, cleaned, etc everything I can think of and used more than a half a dozen factory loads and nothing seems to work (with some pretty extreme poi shifts between brands as well). It does a lot better with the mag tube and foreend removed, so maybe filing the foreend is maybe the next step.
One of the flaws of the levergun design is that "stuff" is hung from the barrel. That doesn't mean leverguns can't be accurate (check my last two videos) but it can be an issue. Your sample just seems to be extra problematic. Are you shooting factory jacketed ammo? Reloads? Cast bullets?
@@TargetSuite I've tried a variety of jacketed and some hard cast bullets, all factory. Some are better than others, but non I'd feel confident making an important shot with. I'll keep working with it to see if I can get it to behave. It's such a handy length rifle, trigger is good, and the action is buttered glass. You've certainly gotten those last two rifles pretty well dialed in. BTW, big thumbs up for the target cam!
The problem is that 3 shots aren't a group.
What do you get with 10 shots?
@@onpsxmember That was an example. I could fire a whole box and I would see similar inconsistencies. And in a hunting situation one shot is often all you get. If 33% of the rounds would be a foot off the target, I don't like those odds.
F.O.R.S- front opposite, rear same. So with his shots, rear sight moves down, and front sight moves right.
You move your rear iron sight the direction you want your shot to go.
You move your front sight opposite you want it to go ( shot right, so move it right, to make the shot go left).
There, I saved you all time!
Very informative video, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Omg man that 1892 is beautiful. It looks brand new. Drool lol another great one thanks. I just bought a Henry big boy 44 I would like to see a video if you can on this gun. Its got a Octangular barrel. Idk how to get the year of manufacturing. Maybe you might know. Anyways thanks again.
Thanks! I appreciate that. If I can get my hands on that Henry, I'd sure show it off!
Thanks George, just placed the order.
For the 1892?
No, the Marble rear sight.
Thanks for the "tuterals". Your cold spells a real bummer. We in north Wa. State are trying to get use to -8° nights.
And we are going to have about 100 hours of at or below freezing temps in NW Louisiana. I can't remember that ever happening before. The low Monday is supposed to be 8 degrees. I know that isn't minus double digits like some of my Canadian friends but relatively speaking, that pretty brutal on our southern infrastructure.
Very Enjoyable. Love The Science Of Shooting
Thanks! I like making this type of video too!
Well done George or should I say Professor. Just to muddy the waters a bit some pistoles require one to move the front sight . I think the Shield is like that and it is the opposite of the back sight movement. I prefer to move the rear though , much simpler to remember. Nice shooting too . Well how does the new Winnie stack up against the 92 44 mag so far?
You are right to point out the front sight oversight. I should have mentioned that. As far as the two '92s go, the 44 mag has quite a few rounds through it now and it is really smooth. The .357 snags every now and then (as you could see in the video). But I have spent very little time with that rifle, so it may just be angry with me 😉
Thank you. New subscriber. Quality information.
Well done George as usual great to know. Do you always keep a scope on one of your 35 Marlins If so what type? Thanks for the video.
Thanks! I will keep my Leupold 1.5X4 Freedom scope on the older (1959) 336 for "serious" work and the Lyman peep on the waffle top. Are you staying warm in the frozen north? ;-)
@@TargetSuite it's been bad very cold
What do you suggest if the sight won't budge to the left/right at all. Mine came from store significantly off and I tried hitting it with brass for an hour last night and it didn't budge. Then I hit it with steel and it put a ding in the dovetail part of sight. I feel that if I hit it any harder I am risking doing damage
Hi George, love watching your vids, I've got a Winchester 92 as well (Miroku) and I'd really like to get one of the Marble peep sights like you have there. My problem is I'm finding it really difficult to find a shop,in the US that will ship to the UK. I've asked a couple, looked on eBay, no luck. No one seems to stock them here. Could you tell me the model number of that sight, and if poss where you got it, I could maybe try them.
Thanks Chris
Thanks. It looks like Brownells.uk has them in stock. Here is the link www.brownells.co.uk/RIFLE-LONG-BULLSEYE-REAR-SIGHT-Rifle-Adjustable-Peep-Long-Bullseye-Rear-Sight-Black-MARBLE-ARMS-Universal-Rifles-Adjustable-Peep-Sights-579000164
Great shooting!
Another nice video, thanks.
Thank you for watching!
¡I've found puting tape on barrel just a little under rear sight with hash marks can help with how much you move or if you moved sight
Thanks for the advice. A good idea for adjusting the rear sight (for windage) on your lever action is to first put some masking tape over the barrel in front of the rear sight up against the front part. Mark the middle of the tape ( yours has a pointy centre section) with a lead pencil draw a straight line towards the front of the gun. This gives you a reference for when you drift over the sight with a punch instead of guessing like you have. I got this information from GunBlue490 on youtube and thought it worthwhile to share
Thanks again 👍
That's a great idea! GunBlue490 is one of my UA-cam favorites. He is the real deal!
Thanks, Professor!
Haha! School is out.
Do u like the Marble's Bullseye sight? Seems like the inside arpeture would be like a Ghost Ring Set up
Paul it is an awesome sight! I have it on three rifles. But it works best with a Patridge (flat top blade) front sight. I'll be replacing the front sight on this one soon.
Ok so it works best on a flat top sight how does it work with the original brass bead. Front sight?
It's ok, but the round brass bead just naturally wants to be in the middle of the round aperture. And if the center of the round bead is centered on the target it covers up too much. Great for shooting large targets close up, but not good for more "precise" work.
I believe I'll be ordering one from Midwayusa
Goodun 👍 brotherman!
Thanks Mark!
this video is a 10/10🤝🏼
So I was wondering, were you really hitting low? It seemed to me that some of the hits were on the out swing of the plate, this would make them appear to be hitting low even though they may not have been. Just an observation. Thanks for all the excellent content.
Hi Ben. When I was editing the video it did seem like that last shot may not have been low. I'll re-shoot and re-chronograph those loads and see.
Great video 👍
Great job 👍
Would there be a big difference between Accuracy with Winchester 1992 clones like Rossi 92 and other clones?
I posted a vid about the 44 Rossi R92 but didn't really focus on accuracy. But one thing about the Rossi is that it has a very slow twist rate at 1:30 (all their models) so it won't stabilize bullets much heavier that 240gr in 44 caliber or 158gr in .357 caliber.
@@TargetSuite thanks
When adjusting the rear sight left or right the slightest movement of the sight will make a big difference on point of impact. Keep that in mind. Cheers.
Me diz qual é à precisão da Carabina Rossi Modelo 92, cano 20 polegadas?
What front sight did you use with that? The one they sent with my marble bullseye was waaaaay too short.
I believe it was one that I got from Skinner Sights.
@@TargetSuite Thanks, I’ll check them out.
Great video thank you
Good video.
Thanks!
well said, thanks man !!
Thank you. I appreciate that!
Hey George! I hope y’all are holding up well! I’ve long thought about, nay- drooled over, several rifles in .357 mag. Warnings about lust and coveting come to mind. Haha!
Haha!
On Point!
Thanks!
Back in the day 99% of all rifles had iron sights. We would adjust to match our load and many would be shocked to know how very little adjustments will affect where the bullet hits at 100 yards or further. Nowdays most rifles do not have irons and if your scope goes south your hunt is over.
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You have got to know how high before it goes low on a setting. A man needs to know the limits.
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I can't get my dovetail sight to move over even with a punch and hammer. I give up, the sight sucks and I am forced to get a red dot site on it.
Very good! Irons are a lost skill these days. My salty old Marine Dad was in Veitnam and he didnt beleive in optics so i never had any growing up 😂. I had to shoot irons or nothing at all. So over the years i got pretty good with them. Now im 40 and like the old man ive never had a optic 😂. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree i guess 😂. Guess i got good enough with irons i never felt the need for a optic
Brother that thumbnail lol
Haha! It worked! Thanks for watching!
@@TargetSuite it definitely did & you're welcome
See now, had it been me, amd a casing landed standing up I would have wrapped everything up for the day while saying i meant to do that ...and nobody would know the difference.
Haha! I didn't even see that until I started editing the video😄
You fixed that problem with the brass rolling off the bench!
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Man, that’s a long way around the barn to get to the horse…lol.
Sorry. I can't help myself😄
Probably put it on One of the Marlin's.
… and the acrobatically trained brass sticks the landing!
Haha! Not many have commented about that. I thought it was awesome😄
That thing shoots a tight group.
Aw man, youre just showing off your purdy gun
Why does Utube have to interupt so much with Ads.
Hi Paul. Unless you pay for UA-cam premium, ads are a necessary part of UA-cam. It's how they exist and it's also how creators can afford to make content. But there should only be three ads in that 20 minute video.
.8 is pretty big ngl
I just wanna know how to take them off
They just tap out
1st
4 minutes still nothing.
GIGO = Garbage in Garbage out!
Blah blah blah
When it comes to remembering which way to move which sight I like the F.O.R.S. method . To bring your P.O.I. to P.O.A. you move the Front opposite direction and the Rear same direction . FORS
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