How much does it REALLY cost to build a standard & Motorsport Cosworth engine??
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- From demand, we show you in todays video how much it costs to build a standard Cosworth engine, a Motorsport Cosworth and what the processes are in doing so
Great to see someone who is happy to talk ball park figures and give people the info they want
This is one of the best videos yet. Sharing your knowledge is priceless. Keep the videos coming. Great channel
Thanks a lot Dean 👍👌
@@BarumEngines Its great to see why prices in engine differentiate so much because of the customers requirements. Alot of your time will be measuring and checking clearances. Do you have any videos on clearances?
Can we have a vid on porting heads pls?
Love this channel. Can almost smell the machine oil...🙂
Yeah engines aint cheap to build.
My list was
Pistons 1200€
H-beam rods 540€
Ross damper 800€?
Bearings chain guides seals etc. Est 450€
Machining incl. Boring n honing 6x, polish crank, fit piston rings, decking block and head, valve seals and seats. that was about 1250-1350 in just machine shop.
Clutch and flywheel 750€
Upgraded Head bolts 40€
Let's just say i hope this engine will last.
The individual item prices seem reasonable, but don't they mount up quick!?
Those of us who have actually paid to have engines rebuilt are not surprised at these costs.
Your machining rate seem very reasonable to me.
Thats a good price for a full rebuild. If you think about it that engine should last another 10 years thats 350pounds a year. what will the cosworth value be after the engine rebuild and in 10 years. A good investment. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
If I ever managed to source a 950cc Reliant engine I would seriously consider sending it you for a decent once over to make it shine, these were racing versions of the humble 850cc used in my type of three wheeler which is pretty fiesty for such a little engine as I can thrash her close to 100 but at that speed it is terrifying (did on an airfield so no laws broken) but a friend has a Liege 950cc in his three wheeler and that 100cc difference is quite marked but usually the only ones that come up for sale are shagged out. Have enjoyed all your videos and you lot seem to have patience of saints dealing with plonkers lol (I'm not one :D)
Are all 2.0 16valve dohc engines created equally when it comes to the costs for a complete re-build? The reason I ask is firstly that some pedigree engines like the Cosworth, XE and Mitsubishi EVO have parts tax on them, but then on the other hand I bet there's a far greater choice of parts and maybe because the parts are widely available and made in greater numbers maybe that can mean parts prices are lower than for engines where parts are scarce and performance off the shelf bits don't exist? Also would a shop that specialises in say Cosworths and knows them inside and out be likely to do them cheaper than an engine they've never really worked on, or does a decent engine shop not get fazed by the uncommon or engines outside their normal day-day business?
Most informative, and even allowing for the conversion rate, cheaper than I'd have thought. I imagine that there's no warranty of any kind on a competition engine?
Correct
Sounds pretty reasonable but unless iam mistaken didn't hear anything about valve guide replacement correct me if iam wrong
That and also? no new cams on a rebuild. Just lifters. Question From The U.S.A
I think that quite cheap in either cases. People don't realize the attentions and the time that it takes to build a proper engine. They think that it's just a matter of putting parts together. They forget the cleaning, the inspection, the measurements, ajusting the cr, flow bench the port, egalized the chamber's volume, checking the lift, mooding the orginal bad designs, ect. Parts always cost more that the labour. And the quality of the after market parts is sometime just awful. It is all this kind of little details take a lot of time and the end result is always hidden in them.
£4200 inclusive for a standard engine , add a upgraded turbo and injectors and take it out then in and BBR used to charge £10,000 25 years ago
If the turbo was £2000 and injectors £600 I reckon this price would still be £3000 less than they charged and I bet Godfrey would want £20,000.
My mate who I can’t disclose reckons you pay 50% more Godfrey tax 😂
In fact if pat doran ever turns up runnnnnnn
Absolute bargain great vid
You are more honest then some and I find that information is more then helpful to someone who want the work done keep up the good work and very honest and informative videos warts and all, love it
Finally an honorable skilled engine builder that isn’t going to charge you £75,000 pounds like Julian Godfrey does for a 600 plus HP YB engine which is laughable nonsense.
£3500 pounds to rebuild a Cosworth YB engine to better than stock specifications and aboat £6800 for a 600 hp bottom end not including the turbo and ECU. Let’s say additional €4000 or less for a larger turbo and management system to get anywhere from 500 hp to 600 hp. So the total is anywhere from £11,000 to £12,000 pounds or lower.
If you don’t have the engine add a used donor used engine from I’m guessing $3000. So how can these these other YB engine builders charge £25,000 to £35,000 or more per build? 😮In Canada or the US it’s easy to get 600 hp from a V6 or a V-8 Ford for anywhere from $10,000-$15,000 and don’t forget there are additional four cylinders of material on these V8 engines compared to a four-cylinder.
Thats a very good price for motorsport spec. Only thing is when you get carried away and start buying new inlet,outlet, ecu, loom, turbo, crankshaft,.......😂
That money for a ballpark 500/600hp engine is very very fair in my opinion.
Not really into cars m/cycles are my thing but it's interesting to see how much an engine build costs.Some of your machining cost seem very reasonable I for one don't mind the cost if it done right.Its supprising how many shops can do a shit job and charge what you do.
Ive got a mk4 golf 1.8t block it's got brand new OEM pistons and rods installed but I'm getting bad blow by, I think the the place that did it for me didn't do anything with the bores how Much would it cost to rectify this for me I just want it all standard but refurbished, thanks
At that price I would stick my engine in the van and bring it round emediatly, only you´ve left the EU and theres customs dutys and a whole lot of paperwork nescesary. Sad.
When i was stage rallying in late 89 / 90 in a mk2 mexico 2.1 then 2.2 cost me about half what your charging now lol
I remember as well and labor cost was free as with a few friends and a garage we could put together a blue printed engine (machining was done elsewhere) in a week end. That was after geting all the bits, these days it prices are bad enough but now with shipping hikes some stuff is starting to go through the roof. Imagine buying a $6 dollar part and being charged $25 to 60 in shipping alone. Nasty but thanks it's brought back some memories of a good time (oh the build was also fueled on beer).
I think you're cheap. Garages round me want min £60 an hour to pay a school leaver to change the oil. No precision engineering involved!
Labour costs are very reasonable for a quality product
If I take my car for a service they charge me parts and labour, they don't charge me for lifting the car on the ramp, or using an airgun. What's your reasoning for charging for labour and machining?
Do you ever use the cut ring headgaskets on these? (they are like a standard gasket, but instead of a convential fire ring, they have a stainless steel ring that sits inbetween the lip of the gasket and the bore and bites into the head when tightened down like an oring, but without requiring machining) I think Athena makes the majority of them. I know a guy who specialises in turbo V8s , LSes etc and he actually recommends these for the majority of the turbo builds he does, unless its all out race promod stuff over 1200hp
I found this video really useful to understand the true cost and list of replacement parts / processes that goes into one of your engine rebuilds. Great video - thanks
What is the difference between std and motorsport bearings? Why not using the latter in all builds?
Pretty sure he said that's what they do since the racing bearings are actually cheaper.
No wonder the bloody things go wrong. Working to those prices is never going to result in a good finished product.
Charge more and do the job properly
quick question please..
When you say re-bore the block, do you mean then fit o/s pistons or can the standard rings take up the slack on a little overbore ?
Hi, have you come across many Cossie heads that the aluminium has become soft? If you do is there a fix for them? Cheers
The extra detail you put into your rebuilds your rates are very good indeed . How much warranty do you give on a standard cosworth rebuild many thanks 👍
The price is pretty reasonable, well worth doing if you have a tidy example that your planning on keeping, the peace of mind will make you love the car even more 👊
machining costs especially reasonable.
Your off ya bonce it’s outstanding value , if you think it’s reasonable I’d like you to tell me which other engineering professional does it for less and will invoice it.
No wonder Barum has them old buggers turn up who are tighter than 2 coats of paint and want a F1 job at poundstretcher prices
Hello karen
Very good material, x plains well and keeps it interesting!
Although it is scary to see the numbers climbing when I was younger it cost us over £1000 to do a roadgoing crossflow and that was over 40 years ago. Mostly stock internals, balanced with a Vulcan head, Piper cam and maybe 130hp. Just as well we had lighter cars!
Each process seems to be priced very cheap/affordable tbh.
Excellent very helpful. Thanks.
No mentionof double valve springs but great vids
About one third of what it would cost in the US. You should advertise here.
Wow maybe one day I'll have u build me one for 7 and have a good race engine
What about the valve guides getting done on these ! They are really bad for wearing?
Very informative. Can you take on a smaller job like a pure bottom end bearings and rimgs check and balance ?
You double up again on machining for the profit
Why is England still paying vat though 🤔
All right then! Now to find a builder over here.
That's a very good price, I was thinking at the start of the video that you would be looking at a price of about €10,000 so I wasn't far off the price, what would the price be on one fully dressed, turbo,manafold and custom ECU and wiring loom, plus what's the price on a cosworth block and rocker, would there be much change out of 15k or would it be higher
He was working on a standard build, if you want something exotic you could hit that mark :-)
wooow 50 pounds an hour , thats steeeeep labour ,
I wish Evo engines were that cheap to build the parts are mega expensive . Great videos by the way
My man buys top spec yank evo bits that cost cheap, are you really sure you know what your doing ?
@@chiefrocka8604 I’m saying compared to cosworth engine rebuild they are expensive if you are putting top quality parts inside anyway
Yes spent £££ on my evo engine.
To be fair stock yb pistons, rods, cranks, bearings, oil pumps ect are all good for over 500hp which brings costs down on a big power build. Weakness is the head bolt threads and head gaskets
Done a good few Evo engines, not much more in parts to be fair and labour is the same, be aware of Evo tax 👍
On second thoughts i don't need a codworth engine.
You probably need to mention that even if the rotating assembly & valves mag good! You cannot warranty 40 year old engine parts! Also recommend if your going to race it, it probably should have all new parts! Steve Morris in the US has a great saying & it’s 100% correct! If it moves, it will break! You probably should have also mentioned that especially after this Covid bullshit💩💩💩💩 parts price have only gone up! If you could even get them! My boss has around 10 engines in the build room, where just about everything is done, except there are tons of back ordered parts 🙄🙄🙄🙄! Great video, I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite you 🙄🙄🙄🙄!
Very reasonable prices 👍🏻
Very informative 👍
Short version. Standard Build reasonably priced and pretty competitive with most builders. Competition/Motorsport build, double the price of standard, yet still reasonably and competitively priced. Given their solid warranty and often above and beyond approach to it, how can you grumble.
Still taking engine out of mine ..soon be ready to do your magic ... as the cossie sold yet and what was the price...
Look forward to it Malcolm 👍 COSWORTH not sold yet, won’t be long I’m sure
A bloody good video , a.real eye opener .
Have you had any experience on the 1.8 petrol duratec engine from the mk3 Mondeo any info on converting to a turbo and rebuilding would be appreciated inc prices etc all the best.
Do you ever work on V8 blocks.?
5 lakh Rupees is daylight robberings !
my cousin will do you cheaper.
Thanks for sharing
Curious on the bottom end. I would expect a comp engine to need more frequent rebuilds which would almost certainly involve changing bearings. Do the comp spec bearings have the longevity for long term road usage?
#anvil Whip it 👍👍👍
With the bottom end, which rods would you use? ie .H section or I section . Would you recommend getting your revised under piston oil spray jets & how much would add to the bill. I really enjoy your vids especially the Cossie & Mini engines ,cheeRS.
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I like the channel and the content but , the prices you are quoting is about the same as we was using about 20 years ago ! also what about a full set of guides ? and what about if the head needs welding or it needs valves , if your using the old pistons there is a ring set and head bolts. We all know to recon a usable head is a good £400- £600 notes thats strip chen clean pressure check remove old guides put new guides in the clean and seat all the valves and check the heights and a skim .... the list goes on .... and was that a T34 on that engine there rocking horse poo now and treble the price if u can find one .... in a word your far to cheep
Thanks for your input Giles. In my opinion, we arnt too cheap at all, we charge the right amount for a good job, it’s estimated because there will be some things extra but we don’t charge a Cosworth tax like most other, that’s why we get a lot of work.
@@BarumEngines Hi there ... i was in the tuning game back in the middle 80's upto about 2002 ... one thing i will always say its best to be really busy making a small profit that ripping people off making a shed load. Now with the social media thing and word of mouth its owe so easy to be left with no work because you have been gready. Good to watch the channel looks like work is picking up so your doing something right good luck with everything !
Very interesting bud 👍
Do you offer a "create " motor complete? Because not everyone has a cosworth core lying around.
would that be a similar cost to an st170 duratec ALDA engine?
I find the normal videos fascinating and it’s good to have an insight to the costs of one of your engines which, is significantly less than I was expecting.
Great video
not crazy money , but its also interesting how fast it all adds up.
interesting.
Excellent, sensible pricing & explanation 👍
A rebuild and stage one is plenty enough
To me you seem not to include other shop and tool costs like a cost for shop rent, all insurances, heating, lighting.
Hes not greedy, i don’t charge my work for my travel time, fuel costs, costs of my car to get there. Self employed guys are one step off charging for their annual holiday.
Seems fair but £1,000 worst case for porting seems a tad expensive but all things being equal you get a top class new motor for your buck. Good job👍.
If its CNC porting you can double that, mine was £1920 inc uprated cut back guides and matching ported trumpet section. Much better job than a die grinder
£1000 for porting is fairly average now. It's a crap job and nobody wants to do it by hand 😂
Geez, that seems cheap.
Can't wait for this 🙌
Cheers Simon
50 an hour labour is very reasonable
That makes me feel a bit better about how much I’ve pumped into my G40 engine. Although £5k in an engine for a car worth £3k doesn’t make any sense 😂
Didn’t think it was that cheap I was expecting about 6 to 10 grand ..
Put your prices up 👍
For parts only on a standard build thats relatively cheap