The Worst Surgery in Human History
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70 years ago, everyone I know would have been lobotomized.
id say its a lot closer to home then 70 years ago, my dad was at least 20 by the time they stopped doing them, im 20 now born in 2003 so thats really not that long ago.
@@tad4364Your dad sounds cool!
@@ninab.4540 he can be but he’s honestly abusive and we arnt on great terms, he also kicked me out at 16.
If I was around then I would definitely had a lobotomy.
@@tad4364 Hey, I hope you're doing ok now. I don't know your situation, but you got this!
Damn. Sounds like Freeman himself needed at least 8 lobotomies.
He probably have one, that would explained why he came up with lobotomy
fire in the hole
*lobotomy*
he tried his best to fix a problem that many people faced with the tech that he had at hand , what have you done for the human race? its easy to judge with the events in the rear view mirror
@@masonhidari and yet even when they found a better solution, he pressed on, he continued doing his barbaric "surgeries" and when his medical license was revoked he desperately tried to go to all his former patients to say that he was not in fact a disgusting monster. your logic is about as sound as the man who performed the transorbital lobotomies
@@masonhidari people at the time (not everyone though unfortunately) also viewed the lobotomy as disturbing, horrifying and unnecessary. it doesn't take hindsight to realize that a shitty idea really is a shitty, inhumane idea
The poetic justice of him dying in a botched surgery…
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KARMA AT NEXT LEVEL
@@MilesMorales-1610-Earth karmas a betch
Freeman's peers all disliked his methods, but they never spoke up. Ironically, the USSR didn't allow lobotomy. They thought it was wrong to use surgery to alter someone's thinking.
because the russians arent as bad as americans communists want you to think. kinda weird.
Huh! Interesting and thank goodness they did one thing right !!!
On the other hand, they sent 1,000’s of intellectuals and protestors to Siberia and mental institutions! (read Soldenizen!)
That is because Joseph Stalin witnessed a lobotomy procedure and wrote that it turned the patient into a gibbering idiot. Both horrifying and revolting Stalin
In Russia there are SO much less chemicals allowed in the food. Food for thought mmmm
@@Nupagade246lol. Correct, Novitchok is not food, so it's allowed. Food for thought.
My grandmother knew someone who survived a lobotomy and ended up taking their own life a while after the procedure because as she described was unable to feel any real feelings but confusion an loss. It was very tragic situation all around an tore a family apart.
This is deeply disturbing. May your grandmother rest in peace.
I‘m sure the trance surgery in recent times are totally not the same. 😂 But I guess this will be for future generation to lough at and discuss how primitive most you were.
@@laurahuynh8333Your reading comprehension needs work
@@laurahuynh8333 he didn't say it was his grandmother stupid he said it was someone his grandmother knew, come on Laura
@@laurahuynh8333he said his grandma knew the lady who died. He never said granny died
May she rest well in her bed at night lol
My Great Aunt Novella was lobotomized as a way to cure her depression over the death of her sister. After the surgery she was known to talk endlessly about flies she had killed, even writing essays and poetry about them. Her husband left her and her immediate family abandoned her. I’ve always said if I have a daughter I’m going to name her Novella in her memory.
that's so kind of you,I know she would appeciate this ❤❤
If you still have any of her essays and poems, maybe consider publishing them in a book or something along with some background information on her? I would definitely read it.
How tragic. 😞
I agree @@foilhattiest1
That is terrible. Sad. Poor Novella.
The chimp story made me sad too tbh, not just the humans. One of the difficulties of veterinary medicine is knowing how a creature that can't communicate with you feels. You can't just ask it if it's in pain or where it hurts or what it feels. Psychiatry even in humans is still so poorly understood. Of course that poor little chimp seemed more docile after surgical torture. That's not a good thing, you've hurt her and she's no longer behaving as a chimp should.
The child is lively and bothersome, make it still!
Whats really scary is that the covid episode showed us just how easily we are fooled by heartless doctors.
It's like this guy was plucked straight out of the medical field in the 1800s, dropped into the middle of the 20th century, and just allowed to do whatever he wanted
His family member and some of his medical books definitely were from 1800s... I've met this 2 different doctor and they still have an outdated medical book from 1900-60 either through inheritance or collection purposes.
But enough about Anthony Fauci.
“Hmm, after dissecting 7 grapefruits and 12 dead brains I think I can get to live patients!”
So true Bersaglieri
Exactly. And also how they went immediately straight from monkeys to humans after like one terrible fake "study" no questions asked. And also how "society" and governments allowed it.
That guy was a hollow head.
I mean. You are not really going to practice a new procedure on live patients. And cadavers are a scarce resource.
Still there are actual procedures that require brain butchery, splitting the corpus callosum for epilepsy for example (i dont know if its still done today , probably not )
Problem was not that it was performed when there were no meds for severe mental illness
the "help" they offered is VERY controversial but I can see how somebody who has to inter and isolate mental patients in strayjackets for life might think lobotomy might be more humane.
It is the lack of a proper anaesthetic,
That it is basically done blind.
With an everexpanding list of diseses it is supposed to treat
And lax diagnosis standards
Part of growing up is realizing that “Aura” is the data broker and you’re being extorted by have to pay them “protection money” to keep you safe from all the other gangs…. I mean data brokers!
"You can't be mentally ill if you are a vegetable or dead"-Freeman, probably.
What an absolute garbage of a human being. At least some kind of justice has been done by immortalizing him and Egas Moniz as medical monsters for all eternity.
The peace prize has never been reclaimed. And that's fucking shameful.
Can't have gay sex if you're dead either
This is one of those rare cases when technically correct isn't the best kind of correct.
yeah sounds like gender affirming surgery this days 😂
I read this before watching the video and thought you were talking about Morgan Freeman 😂
My aunt lived her whole life with one. She was calm all the time. No matter what. She died after her brother died. The only time we saw her actually show a little emotion day of funreal. She couldn't live on her own. He took care of her his whole life.
God bless that man.
Love and duty arr powerful, but to take care of someone for their entire lives is an impossibly difficult task.
I respect his efforts immensely, and will take a valuable lesson from his sacrifices to care for his beloved sister.
I'll call my brothers today just because.
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It's very naive to refer to a lack of hospitals.
The actual reason Freeman didn't want to use an operation room was that he wasn't a qualified surgeon. He would never be allowed.
Gonna point out something that was left unsaid here: That "gay men" statistic wasn't all, or even *mostly* voluntary. Since homosexual activity was a crime, a LOT of gay men were committed to institutions against their will, and many had this done to them without their consent. Worse, a lot of those gay "men" were just teenage boys. To be as blunt as possible: Little boys who got caught experimenting with other boys ended up being lobotomized because of this bastard.
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Should’ve listened to their parents🤷♂️
@@wa_________ge3254 WHAT????? ain't no way...
@@wa_________ge3254 what a gross take
@@wa_________ge3254 yikesss... not you justifying the murder of gay boys. boys that literally just liked other boys... you are gross
Rosemary Kennedy’s case is extremely shocking and revolting. Her brain was permanently severely damaged because she was acting rebellious (not that she was actually a rebel, we know that today, but people thought she was) and Papa Kennedy wanted a perfect little compliant doll who wouldn’t be a « threat » to her brothers ambitious political careers.
She is my Roman empire😭
@@Happyhappyclam your Roman Empire? Sorry, I’m not sure I understand what you mean. 😅
@@carocathoit means you think about it alot
@@carocatho oh it means something that you think about at least once a day because it affected you so much
@@Happyhappyclam thank you! I was not aware of that expression! English is not my first language, you see. 🙂 Yes, this particular case is haunting. And Rosemary’s brain had already been damaged right at birth, also because of medical malpractice. Her fate is so unfair and upsetting.
My mom’s uncle had Parkinson’s disease, that they tried to treat by performing a lobotomy on him.
He survived but afterwards told everyone “never have a lobotomy”. From what I’ve understood he hated the effects it had on him. Horrible mistreatment.
I can't believe this serial killer got away with his monstrous actions for so long. He should have been arrested after the first "surgery"
to be fair back in those days "schizophrenia" had a wider definition, autistic children were also called schizophrenic
It was believed autism only happened in boys, so any girls with symptoms got diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Until Dr Asperger
Damn, he like Dr Down? @@jhoughjr1
Now they do the same thing using antipsychotics and ECT... all intended to cause frontal lobe damage.
@@erictuffelmire6826 Antipsychotics don’t do frontal lobe damage. Please take the meds you were prescribed.
My mother had autoimmune diseases years before it was recognized. The doctors didn't believe her claims of pain and tried to convince my dad to allow a lobotomy on her. He declined ONLY because she had a small baby (me) to care for
Your mother is extremely lucky, and your father almost made a terrible terrible mistake… your family is extremely fortunate based off your fathers decision. I want to feel more harshly towards him considering the fact he even toyed with the idea at all, but in all fairness, people didn’t know what we do now. Ignorance led to most lobotomies being performed.
@@AngryK1tty Sorry to say it but things only changed on the surface and are sold better to the public. Just go back a couple of years and you find a majority of the western population letting themselves get bullied and gaslit into drug experiments on a level never seen before... and on top of that getting conditioned to scold and exclude the ones who didn't want to participate.
Your existence saved your mothers life.
She had AIDS?
To begin with, your father is such an asshole. As if the baby wasn't his either. Also, it should be her decision. I know I'm talking about many years ago... It just bothers me. Hope the world changes...
"It was like she had joined a happiness cult"
The fact that he didn't realise how bad it was of an idea when he compared it to a cult says a lot
Yooo ppl "relapsed" and went back to get their brains scrambled multiple times...
Bro thats insane
Sad that at one point mental health professionals viewed the purpose of treatment as changing the patient’s personality rather than alleviating the patients suffering
Now they worsen the patient's mental health and delusions. Both sides of the same evil coin. We need a new coin, darn it
With all due respect, this continues to this day. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, many physicians still regard substance use and addiction as a moral failure
To be fair, it's still kind of like that in the mental health field. The fact that I'm dependent on my anti depressants is still VERY concerning to all of my doctors even though at least for me, that means actually being able to feel emotions other than vague suffering. If they had their way, I'd just all of a sudden be cured.
It is WAY better than it used to be though. Especially since patients actually get a say in their care for the most part. I don't even wanna think about what life would be like if I was a depressed housewife in the 60s. My husband would probably have my lobotomized without a second thought and I couldn't do jack about it.
is being dependent on medicine going to cure it at some point? Im genuinely curious @@yukifrost795
@@Twiddle_things what delusions are they worsening, in particular?
Roesmary Kennedy's procedure was different from the "usual". Pharmaceutical tranquilizers were used so she could be awake and conversant during the procedure. Freeman changed his technique a bit, rummaging around in her brain while talking with her. He concluded the procedure "complete" when her answers became incoherent.
It's not clear from the limited amount I've read whether he'd used this exact method on any other patient. It seems probably "no". Rosemary was a particularly tragic case, since she suffered so much damage. Because of her spoken "feedback", rather than Freeman's usual "unconscious" patients, she probably received more lobe damage because Freeman "kept going" until it was clear he'd made an impact on her ability to function.
I routinely use the term "brain butchers" to refer to Freeman and Watts. After some point, both men should have realized they were doing more harm than good. Freeman apparently NEVER conceded this point. To say he was a "bad doctor" and a "bad scientist" to boot is too tame. These guys clearly let their own interests supercede those of their patients. It should never have gone as far as it did.
This is some Nazi-level shit what the hell
That's probably the most horrifying thing I've read this year. """"People""""" like this """""""person""""""" are the reason I hope hell exists, even if I would end up there too
Edit: Had to correct myself. Almost called this thing a person.
@@SprinkledFox You're not wrong.
In the beginning, these guys did think they were doing some good. I guess with violent mental-ward patients, the lobotomy results seemed like an improvement. I can see the rationale up to that point, but not beyond it.
When it got to this really twisted stuff (giving normal people brain damage, the sick PR photos mid-surgery, etc.) Freeman had pretty well "graduated" to inhuman. He clearly lost the ability to see any wrongdoing. And that's not entirely different from the mid-century Germans.
They should forever be remembered as brain butchers … they were no doctors, just opportunistic scammer who have no moral standards
To be fair...Watts exited as soon as he saw the "ice pick" method....before that he thought they were really onto something that could help ppl...
My grandmother on my dad’s side was a ‘manic depressive’. We think if she had modern diagnosis she would be Bipolar. She was Lobotomised in 1980, she never recovered. She died in 1996. I was born in 2007. It’s disgusting too because they won’t give us her medical records.
Where was your grandmother living in 1980?
1980? This is not a long time …😮
What were the after effects that she didn't recover from
...The last lobotomy was carried out in 1967.
My mother in Law had this procedure done. She had more mental health problems after than she did before. It got to the point where my husband her son was taken into care and put up for adoption as she ended up in a secure unit. I hate to see how she is. I won't say what I m thinking as it's something I can't repeat but she had electrolysis along with it too. She struggles even using a mobile phone and needs help dressing even now. They are vicious idiots that did that to her and that's me putting it as harshly as youtube will allow x
You live in a country where it's still legal to lobotomize people yet you're not allowed to harshly criticize it on a public network. Nice. I wish UA-cam was like it used to be in 2008, no adverts and total freedom of speech both in video content and the comment section. Even the dislike button had a counter on it, but it was hidden after Anita Sarkeesian cried and whined about it as the dislikes outnumbered her view count and it indicated that everything she was saying was boolsheet
No wonder older generations don’t believe in mental health and have a mistrust in doctors yall have been through and seen a lot of horrible things
There was a man who came into the coffee shop i worked at over 20 years ago who had had a lobotomy. He never said anything, had no facial expressions and it would take forever for him to order (the same things) and count out his change. He seemed so disconected from reality and it made me sad watching him. I would have been likely recommended a lobotomy due to my chronic and severe mental health disorders and while i think treatments now aren't that good at least i still have my consciousness. Sad and barbaric!
What really infuriates me is how many parents, both men and women, when they bring their children into a new marriage fails to protect their children from the new parent( figure ). I blame his father more than I blame the witch that he married😡
@@lindamatus4429Did I missed some context?
@@lindamatus4429 what
Yes makes me so grateful, how can I complain about not receiving help when just recently in our history I could've been mutilated for the exact same issues.... I'm lucky to be left alone with my problems
The "lobotomy" assaults were total barbarism for sure.
The scariest thing is that this awful mutilation was still around in the '60s, when my parents were kids.
They were still being performed well into the 1980's in the US and parts of Europe! They have technically never been banned. There is a procedure called Cingulotomy that is very similar to the lobotomy and is performed to this day. Psychiatry is still very much in the dark ages. Have things really changed for the better? It's just that nowadays psychiatrist prefer to lobotomize individuals with psychotropic medications instead. and of course there's a monetary incentive to use these meds,as they are in cahoots with big pharma.
Things have no changed much for the better, ECT which is not properly regulated is still done
Wtf
@Conor-B damn
It's crazy it ever got started but what is even crazier is how long it continued. Just shows the level of evil and corruption in too many people composing "society"
I'm in my first year as a Pharmacy student and we've had such a strong focus on ethics, safety and patient-centred care since the very first lecture... so many points in this video had me audibly going "what!?" it's absolute horrific. This man *cannot* be called a healthcare professional.
What year was that? Given the seeming decline of ethical treatment and the movement away from 'do-no harm' I'm curious when the standards changed. It will be interesting when students of the future read about the medical barbarism going on currently, I am hopeful they will be similarly disgusted.
There are two types of Dr. Freemans.
The other wields a crowbar and travels between dimensions fighting aliens.
And the other wields a pair of icepicks and tours around the USA in a van, looking for "patients" to be tortured.
“Rise and shine, Mr. Freeman. Rise and shine!”
In many ways, people, who long for any treatment, are extremely vulnerable to being mistreated.
That comma use tho.
@@the_kombinator Kinda reads like a poem.
As a bit of a comma over-user myself that may be a bit too many commas.
As someone who uses a lot of commas, damn….. 😂
He said something quite profound though. You should think more about that instead of commas. 🙄
with his obsession of making an already questionable and dangerous but slow procedure faster and even more dangerous, im kinda surprised he didnt move on from grapefruit straight to newborn babies and skipped the cadavers altogether
It has a lot of parallels with rushed vaccines. What will people think of what happened circa 2020?
It angers me when politicians tout "trust the science" when it comes to the medical field. Not all science is equal, not all science should be trusted wholeheartedly. The language of science, math, will be as perfect tomorrow as it is today. Time after time we see "medical science" failing us because more often than not; it's just "best guess".
Thalidomide much? You're 100% correct in that rushing procedures, and the studies behind them, is a sure fire route to making war crime level errors that can ruin people's lives.
@@----.__you’re comparing the covid vaccine to a lobotomy…?
@----.__fellow sheep here. Vaccines haven't killed anyone
@@----.__it's literally the most scrutinized vaccine in history, and no bombshell report has come out that it's bad lol. Just admit you WANT something to be wrong with it.
@@----.__ Journalists and the government are already trying to gaslight us into believing that nothing happened in 2020. We have a duty to remember and prevent this from happening again. The pharmaceutical industry is one of the biggest in the world, it was and will always be about profit. Human lives come second.
As a person with level three autism, ADHD, anxiety, and depression, I think I am qualified to say: This makes me incredibly uncomfortable. How incredibly wonderful! I would’ve lived most of my life in a straight jacket only to have picks stabbed into my brain.
Same. Or being send into an abuse center and never getting out.
I read Dully's book. His stepmother shopped around from one psychiatrist to another, all of whom said the problem was HER, until she found Freeman.
Him dying in a medical procedure is the icing on the very fitting cake
The ice pick in the grapefruit if you will
He truly died as he lived 😂
@@thequadgothicsometimes old habits die hard.
Karma! 😂
a never ending chain of doctors delivering fatalities to other doctors?
I've lost it at the point where he mentioned that there weren't anesthetics.
The stuff before was already disgusting enough.
Up until the 80s alot of drs didn't use anesthesia on babies because they didn't think they felt pain! Crazy the trust everyone puts in drs. Just go along with whatever they say because it's "science"!
@@Badcompany6969... to be fair, a lot of people nowadays only go against "science" because the middling intellect truck driver thinks he's smarter than an expert who has spent their entire life learning, doing actual research, and writing papers. we need at least a modicum of education about these things before we can exercise good skepticism, lest we be no better than flat earthers
Bit like covid huh...
Half the world fell the 'science' promoted by the politicians or lying doctors
@@ponponpatapon9670trust the science!
“and he starts practicing this procedure on *grapefruit,* apparently.”
Lemme tell you, I was expecting anything BUT grapefruit 😭😭
i wasn't either😰😰
Love that you give the ad a own time marker. So I can just skip it
Honestly I only skipped it because I am european and he was clear about the ad only being of potential value to people of american origin.
I don't want to watch youtube ads, given how they treat channels and marketing and advertisement and all that jazz, but when someone I watch by choice has a sponsor for a video I just keep watching even if I may not end up using the product or having no interest.
Practising lobotomy on grapefruit is like grape surgery I can't believe how anyone could pick up medical tools and do whatever they wanted
The thing is, at least all the videos of "grape surgeries" actually serve a purpose. It can be used as a way to practice stitches and small movements on something with delicate tissue. Practicing a lobotomy on a grapefruit doesn't really work the same way because you're just futzing around with a fruit that isn't serving as a good representation.
they did surgery on a grape
That's how ALL medical treatments were invented in the past.... someone picked up a medical tool and did whatever they wanted to figure out if it worked. And viola... man flew to the moon!
@@jimjamautothey did a lobotomy on a grapefruit
@@chillchica9626I'm guessing he used it to practice moving the pick around with minimal damage to the eye.
Honestly by the end, the man sounded like a prototype of the modern TikTok plastic surgeons.
Just wait till you hear about John Richard Brinkley! He surgically put goat gonads into men to “help their drive” and “raise testosterone”.
Like he opened them up, threw the balls into the cavity, sewed them back up and then let them get infected and die… talk about free balling am I right?
The perverse incentives of the "screen economy" are so corrupt and horrid, costing millions of lives around the world, that there's probably a Walter Freeman ice pick "influencer" doing lobotomies on TikTok, Instagram etc. calling it "natural healing" while promoting conspiracy theories and the "trickle down" corporations' algorithms promoting it to the top of the feeds constantly for clicks $$$$
He makes the worst psychopathic serial killers look bad. He kept his victims alive. It’s hard to imagine this wasn’t even 100 years ago. Doctors had more knowledge about what causes damage and what could heal . Sticking an ice pick anywhere in the body with basically a blindfold on. They must have known this wasn’t precise surgery. He was just sick. I have heard it before but I didn’t know he did it to that many people
Rosemary Kennedy lived out the end of her life in St Colettas in my hometown Jefferson. The Kennedys pretty much funded the entire institution until she passed. In a morbid way the lobotomy was very influential in my towns history
i really appreciate you showing the procedure and dismissing wiki's ''surgical'' coverage of it, wow, I read about them in school, but have never seen a video. it really shows how barbaric the practice actually it
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Ever tried abortion videos?
if I was ever diagnosed as "needing a lobotomy" by ANYONE, I'd book a first class trip to Germany and ask someone to help me off myself
Look at the bright side; you'd be highly qualified for a green party position afterwards.
You wouldn’t really have a choice
As a German...huh? Why would you ask specifically one of us to commit a murder? Sorry if I'm not getting something, just genuinely confused
@@EV0LIEi’m pretty sure it is because assisted suicide is legal
@@0rion._.222 it's not though?? Like it's not fully illegal either, it's tricky, but just a few days ago a doctor was sentenced to prison for doing it. There are countries where it is legal though...just not here:)
I went to an inpatient drug treatment program in St. Peter MN at the correctional facility for criminally insane people. The drug treatment program was on the campus grounds just outside of the razor wire fences of the prison. Everyday we would go to the gym and would have to enter the prison portion. There were a lot of people there that had lobotomies done on them. They were like vegetables just sitting there staring off into space. There were also people that were missing large portions of their brain. You could tell because the top 1/4 of their skulls was missing along with whatever brain matter was in that section. It was disturbing to see people walking around with a large part of their head missing.
There was also a museum on the campus that showed everything they used to do to people. From lobotomies to electrocution and many other forms of treatment (torture). All the tools were there along with the dedicated rooms for certain treatments. It was like one day they just closed that portion and left everything in there just as it was when patients were there. Some mid-evil type crap that was EXTREMELY brutal.
This was back in roughly 2001-2002.
He died "due to complications in a cancer operation"
Makes me wonder if it was possibly Deliberate knowing his reputation
If I had a nickle for each time, a guy named James Watts was a part of something questionable in science, I'd have at least two nickles
Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
What was the second time?
Who was the other one?
@@mgthestrange9098The other one is James Watts.
You mean the guy who improved the steam engine? What did he do that was messed up?
Imagine being a busdriver for some school being a Lobotomy patient and hearing kids today go "lmao I'm gonna get lomotomized at Claire's"
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Ratchet on netflix does a great job at showing how awful this was. That scene has always stuck with me, I can’t imagine how someone could do this hundreds of times
That was absolutely horrifying! I have an uncle who has schizophrenia, and multiple people in my family, including me, battle depression and/or anxiety! To think that something so barbaric was ever even considered an option…..!!!🤦🏼♀️🤬
I love the logic: emotions are the problem, they're in the brain, so you can cut them out
what,s scary is there are a lot of people who still believe this smfh
@@GabrielleTollerson Well, you can "cut out" emotions, apparently. The lobotomies often prevented the patient from experiencing certain emotions ever again. E.g. some were stripped of their ability to experience joy or happiness.
Wtf are you two talking about? 😂
It did work.
It may be a stupid thing to want to have 'work', but it worked nonetheless in precisely tha manner yoi described
@@GabrielleTollerson lol what's to believe? it literally worked as described 🤷🏻♂️
it's a really stupid thing to want to have work, but work it did; the procedure was supposed to reduce or disconnect emotions and that's exactly what happened.
That’s what happened sometimes…not always…
The first country to ban the lobotomy was the Soviet Union in 1950, for ethical reasons. The lobotomy remains legal in United States today (at least at a federal level).
The Soviet Union for all its bad also was often way ahead of its time on many important matters.
@@tw8464For all the dissent crushing, they were surprisingly progressive in women's rights (for better or for worse)
@@mhammadalloush5104 They had their pros and cons for sure.
No way it's still legal, they are maniacs for allowing this shit.
The US loves freedom over public safety or common sense, I’m never surprised with sentences like “X is still legal in the US”.
I knew someone who had a lobotomy - now no longer with us - who, luckily was only effected to the point of Mr Dully. Even so, my friend was still mildly annoyed about it. He said that it wasn't so much "Having smiles painted on your soul" as "Having easy-going painted on your soul". Many times we could tell he was angry or upset, but all he could do was deadpan sarcasm or frustrated arm folding - which was doubly frustrating for him. So, he HATED lobotomies.
50% death rate!? I mean the rest is bad enough! But my god!
I think that was 15%. Bad enough.
For clarity, it's 15%. Which is already awful, but remember many of the "survivors" had severe mental and physical disabilities afterwards.
The 15% were the lucky ones
@@chcampbell123456 I also heard 50% because I thought good grief!
I had a 50% death rate surgery. The anesthesia was made pretty high up on my back, it was made near my heart in order for the surgery to start and be able to be done. It wasn't bad, i believe i died once in the surgery since i remember having a dream seeing myself from the top of the surgery room, and the nurses and doctors were all around me trying to resurrect me, but it could just simply be a dream and nothing more.
i hate just the idea of turning people uniform or "normal" with a surgery. monstrous
Tell that to Elon musk
Lol, happens all the time. Conjoined twins, extra limbs, organs formed outside the body, etc.
@@DrFranklynAndersonThose occur for safety and with the consent of the operated upon. Fixing a displaced organ (which can be deadly if left untreated) or seperating two siamese twins (so they can each live their own life) is not even comparable to a nonconsentual procedure like a lobotomy.
@@OwDaOm Literally the same logic used for lobotomies: safety and to save lives when they were told there was no other option. And the vid said people would go back two and three times, so clearly a large percent were consensual.
@DrFranklynAnderson what are those mental gymnastics💀
watching the footage is genuinlely so chilling.
My 2nd cousin had one here in Houston Texas in the early 60s. He had polio encephalitis and that is what his family opted to do for him for treatment. He was really messed up after that and was on boatloads of medication for the rest of his life
howard dully actually wrote a memoir about the procedure and his life, called "my lobotomy." i read it a couple years ago and its one of the most interesting, touching and disturbing books ive read so far. 10/10 recommend it, and its a relatively short read (~280), i finished it in a couple sittings.
I found this book in a little free library, or some other random situation like that. I picked it up immediately. I still haven’t read it, but really look forward to reading it.
I read Howard Dully's book, and it's REALLY sad. His father was spineless and his step-mother was a monster.
Given the wrong mother (or stepmother) a weak dad can really ruin a boys life.
Sort it out weak dads, for your kids' sake.
My Lobotomy. Excellent read, but it really gets your blood boiling!
I was talking to my mom recently about Rosemary Kennedy. She knew about her and I asked when she first heard about her lobotomy. She said she found out from me. It’s so sad what happened.
I underwent ECT (electrical shock therapy) as a teenager, for Major Depressive Disorder, it actually helped. Crazy to think that years earlier they would have just hammered an ice pick into my head.
Lobotomy is one of only a few 20th medical practices that genuinely turn my stomach to the point I squick out and cringe at just the word! Unfortunately we still have too many cocky physicians like Freeman running rampant among mental healthcare. I've often wondered if credible medical schools should require a personality test before acceptance into medical school to weed out the sociopaths, rejecting students possession dark triad traits (those only in it for the fame and fortune IE Dr's only in it to make names for themselves)
Something like 90% of the most successful surgeons are psychopaths. The lack of empathy is required to dig around in somebody's organs successfully without breaking down mentally. It's one of the rare beneficial jobs of a psychopath. Others are high-risk jobs like divers and soldiers. The worst are CEOs and politicians. They do way more damage than surgeons.
Look into so called 'gender affirming' surgeries and what they do to otherwise physically healthy people. That's gonna be a contender in a few decades. A stomach churning medical tragedy happening right before our eyes.
But the thing is the majority of CEOs and higher paid people have an antisocial personality disorder, this includes psychopathy and sociopathy. Being a psychopath or sociopath doesn’t necessarily mean you are evil or deranged. You just have a condition that you were either born with or developed that causes you to be less sympathetic/empathetic. This can cause a person to be more ambitious about their own goals and get through school that other people who deal with extreme emotions and doubt otherwise wouldn’t. Not every serial killer or deranged person is a psychopath and not all psychopaths are deranged. An example of someone being a psycho would be their emotions being off, but a lot of people with psychopathy have intense emotions. They just don’t portray themselves in the same way… such as me a person with autism, I don’t always outwardly look, as if I feel empathy, or and sympathetic, even though I am very highly. Certain emotional states and internal experiences they don’t have, for example usually would be incapable of guilt, remorse, empathy, and deep attachment to others. It also depends on what part of the spectrum their own because it is a spectrum. They will most likely develop love for family members as that is innate within humans. And they can still fall in love they may still want to be loved, even if they are almost in capable of it, but it is still possible for them to fall in love. And most people with psychopathy can be treated, they can be medicated, and Megan seek treatment if they wish to do so.
@@BTiffney71lobotomy is not like Gender Affirming Surgeries Lobotomies are bad Gender Affirming Surgeries arent
@@CursedSFMS Says who? There's no empirical evidence for a gender-soul and there's no objective scientific test to determine who is or isnt a so called transgender.
Good timing with the neuralink news.
Yeah, neuralink was described to cause various horrific side effects in animal subjects and then there's Musk's track record with the other companies he has
Exactly what I was thinking.
After what happened to the animals in the preliminary trial, I cannot understand why the FDA approved human trials.
@@WobblesandBean💵💵💵
@@thedrugthatkilledif you have reason to believe the FDA was bribed you should probably contact a media outlet
You deserve so many more subscribers! I look forward to seeing you hit 100k soon :)
I read (rather listened to an audio version) his book in 2012, I HIGHLY recommend checking it out. It was actually one of two books that helped me learn English (I had little knowledge, and just was interested in this book and in "If I did it" by O.J., both haven't been translated to my language at the time, I ended up reading the latter with a dictionary plus Urban Dictionary and phraseology online catalogs , and listening to Dully's book also with the same tools, in a couple of days I read/listened to last chapters without aid).
After listening to Dully's book I read and watched all available info on him, interviews etc. Amongst others there was really heartbreaking one, when he (either on camera or with an audio recorder, don't remember) went to his dad and tried to explain how hurt he was by the whole situation (it involved the whole family dynamics, not only the operation itself), and his dad basically didn't acknowledged the guilt, and answered with not more than "you shaped up pretty well". Howard cried either then, or after, discussing this episode with somebody. It all was really heartbreaking. Reminded me big time of how my mom is unable of realizing or admitting some stuff between me and her.
The book is written very well, straight to the story without trying to water it down with abstract chapters without meaning to bloat the page count. Really interesting book, again, highly recommend, one of my favorite books of all time, I might read it again soon
My parents were both psychologists who worked in mental institutions in the 60's/70's and they told some horrendous stories about labotomized patients in their care. I already knew this story, but for those who don't, you absolutely nailed it. The fact that Freeman was allowed to perform these "procedures" at all, let alone in the manner he performed them, is shocking and frankly, bonkers.
Freeman's youngest patient was 4 years old.
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Where did you find that information? The youngest I’ve seen was 6
It's in Wiki. I read it on this video when he was showing some pages.@@alexiscorrente6808
@@alexiscorrente6808Youngest I can find was Howard Dully, at age 12.
Dully was diagnosed by Freeman at age 4 though, which might be where they got it from.
Isn't any different than a parent who chooses to give their son puberty blockers because he likes to wear dresses. In fact, I would argue that a lobotomy is much more humane.
How fascinating! Well done! So scary...😮
Makes me wonder what sorts of medical procedures or treatments are happening *today* that we will look back on in horror…
Giving kids hormones to block puberty because they have gender dysphoria instead of counseling.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THAT
@@jbo3536 I bet they weren't allowed to talk about lobotomies on social media back then either xD. iT's a StuNniNG aNd BrAvE pRoCeDuRe!!!!!!!!
@@jbo3536??????
Unfortunately, there are still many people in the world today who are deluded in their qualifications and perform procedures whose efficacy is at least unproven, and at most, they can cause irreparable harm to the patient's health. There are a lot of them in social media.😕
Procedures such as...?
What other choices doctors had in 1930s?
@@WobblesandBean chemo therapy
as most money making cancer intervention- it’s know to be extremely toxic killing many before their cancer gets them….
, toxic chemicals support body’s natural healing in no way or form.
Desperate People keep getting chemo it cos they “trust “ their doctors advise, While the doctor been “advised” by the chemical’s manufacturer.
These doctors are ignorant
about human biology or true healing and perhaps also just very greedy to make money with the “qualifications” that cost them much time and money to get.
If you wanna get well for real - learn how natural healing works - or find someone who has. You tube is full of such peoples advice - for free!.
There’s no replacement for natural healing.
That is the only thing that ever heals the body.
It’s combination of will to heal
and understanding the dangers of poisoning one’s body with meds. And sticking to foods and fasting that will bring the natural vitality back.
Namaste 🙏
@@love__and__hope__any and all choices, no one need to do this unless they’re brainwashed or hell bent on causing damage.
1930’s it’s also time when psychology, behavioral therapy, and power of hypnosis was being rediscovered. It’s just about individuals choices- wether they kill maim or cure with what their call their version of intervention. One’s hearth knows to stay away from what’s inhumane, if there’s someone listening up in the head.
@@WobblesandBean look up the husband stitch
My great grandmother had schizophrenia and underwent one of these awful procedures. I never got to meet her, but I've heard the tragic stories.
how was she after the fact?
damn that's horrible!!
schizophrenia isnt real, its just another fake pyschiatry fraud science. I was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia aswell, this led me to be imprisoned in a hospital involuntarily for months and a texas judge wrote a warrant that I could " cannot remain at Liberty". schizophrenia doesnt exist and so do many other nonsense pyschiatric "disorders"
They also said I was bipolar, which is another nonsense diagnoses. This all happened in America. this would never happen to me in europe Spain where I was living before I got imrpisoned in an American system! This kind of stuff would never happen in many other countries becuz other countries donot agree with mental illness as a real science. and mental illness and pyschiatry is not respected as a real profession in other countries. However, in america Mental illness accusations are base for imprisoning people, and defaming people and taking away your freedom under the guise of "mental illness" They have it in Political law in america.
I'm just absolutely horrified. 😢 so many ruined lives for no reason😔
That was interesting , ty for the information
I turn my lights on when daylight is coming into the room! Well, guess I have schizophrenia!
Why do you turn the lights on?
@@tiggerpup_nz schizophrenia
Why do you turn the lights on during the day? Waste of electricity
Medical history and mystery intrigues me, as many others as well. To actually see an ice pick sticking out of a patient’s eye made me cringe, and feel a sudden sharp pain in my own eyes.
My heart goes out to every single patient of this monster. I know, from speaking to my great-gram way back when, women were given lobotomies for PMS (the medical profession had no idea what that was until the late 60s or late 70s…), “hysteria,” menopause, postpartum depression/psychosis, monthly periods, etc. It truly sucked being a woman 65+ years ago.
This wasn’t a doctor, but a demonic monster who decided to play God with patient’s lives.
Medical history gets really scary really quick. Luckily today things are a little better, but we’re still running into the issue that many mental issues are so rooted in someone’s development that it’s impossible to fix with modern methods.
Maybe in the future we’ll develop technology to precisely modify brain structures, mixed with a more in depth understanding of these issues we might actually develop cures.
I just listened to the NPR story with Howard Dully.
Wow! It was riveting and deeply moving. Thanks for the recommendation.
I've suffered with chronic major depression all my life. After doing ECT, I finally asked my doctor for a lobotomy. He said the only time they do it now is for severe OCD.
You will get better! I declare it! In the name of Jesus! God bless you
@@Rosiepoohtargaryen God still does not exist and it is disrespectful to write something like that. You dont even know if they are religious and what religion they have,.
@@Rosiepoohtargaryen Very vile to write somrthing like that
@@Rosiepoohtargaryen Living in texas seems almost as bad as living in an islamic country. These kind of comments reflect poorly upon texas.
Have you tried all types of antidepressants available? Have you tried drugs like amphetamines or shrooms. Ketamine has been used very effectively as a legitimate treatment for treatment resistant major depression by causing NMDA glutamate system hypofunction which causes lowering of hypermuscarinic and hyperdopaminergic states in depression caused by brain's reallocation of resources to cogitation resulting in more negative future predictions causing negative mood (depression).
the inventor really went: hmmm new surgery method , ima grab an icepick from my kitchen drawer
If ill ever do my own death metal band, ill reserve "Grapes and Cadavers" as a name candidate.
I would like to be a member of the band lol
@@SenatorArmstrongOfficial i dont even like death metal but id totally play in that group ! hell yeah man !
@@Shannonbarnesdr1 What member of the band you'd be ?
I need a full track list of that album
i have a pain in my head exactly where you perform this procedure. i feel like putting an ice pick into it all the time
This is one of the most horrific things imaginable - and I’ve known a lot about it since college 30 years ago. And it’s still ghoulish beyond imagination.
I, for one, am shocked that hammering an ice pick into the brain and wiggling it around until the patient stops screaming is not to their benefit. I mean, who could have seen that coming? How were they supposed to know that procedure might be harmful?
for sure! I would have never guessed that doing such a measured, careful, and seemingly humane procedure would result how it did. just the idea of it- without even knowing more details- seems like a great idea! /s
As a portuguese, is so sad that is our nobel prize of medicine…. So sad
O Dr Egas Moniz não tinha culpa nenhuma.
Nobel Prize is such a joke
That stuff did get the Nobel prize??? HAHAHAHA WTF MAN!!! 😂
Not only that, now there's a Egas Moniz School of Health & Science and a public hospital in Lisbon named after him
@@user-qb7fk7eq3l ele literalmente foi a pessoa que criou o procedimento, a única culpa que ele não carrega é de ter evoluido o procedimento para um formato budget-friendly e passado a usar um picador de gelo ao invés de uma equipe médica
Always, when I look at such and similar mistakes from the past, I wonder what mistakes are we making today without even realizing it... and that scares me a lot
Good video, thanks!
Okay!
This story really made me sick to my stomach!
This "doctor" was more of an arrogant psycho himself, and not a man of true medicine.
No wonder his partner broke away from him.
This "treatment" was horrendous and barbaric!
Awhile later, in the early 1970's my father had a nervous breakdown.
(I was 12 years old at the time).
This was not an easy time for my mother...taking care of three children and an mentally unstable husband.
But, I give my mother much respect with how she dealt with my father's illness. She always did what was best for his welfare, not her own.
They wanted to do shock therapy treatments on my father. But, my mother fearing any long term irreversible side effects told them no!
And my father did go on to recover without these shock treatments.
I cannot imagine ANYONE subjecting a loved one involuntarily to this barbaric labotamy treatment.
Just horrendous!!!!
He was practicing the feeling of separating tissue between two organic systems by touch by ice picking a grapefruit.
awesome video. you deserve many subs!
i get asked why im so interested in old medical treatment, specifically medical treatment around mental health, and its mostly because i know i wouldve been victim of all of these horrific "treatments" im heavily mentally unstable and extremely paranoid and irritable or what they wouldve called a lunatic
My Grandfather was supposed to have a lobotomy for "Anxiety Neurosis" (Aka various anxiety disorders, which I also have). Luckily he refused in favour of shock treatment and vallium.
As for me, diagnosed with OCD, GAD, and panic disorder, I take valium too, and prozac, and zopiclone daily. Which is essentially a chemical lobotomy, and may one day be seen as such, but it's the best we have for now but the side effects (namely, having the mind of an early stage dementia patient at 25) are something I hope we'll one day overcome with new treatments.
Valium every day? That’s fucked up for your doctor(s) to prescribe. Benzos shouldn’t be used longer than 2-4 weeks at a time, requiring months of breaks in between
@@hudabeautyftjacqui I know. But it's the only way I can function. Been on them all day, every day for 9 years now. My intellect and memory have certainly suffered. Not to mention I'm also a drinker and heavy smoker. I hope to have children, but I'm under no illusion of living a long life.
@@John-om2zfpls don’t have children… this stuff is passed down. There are other ways to have a positive impact on children if you want.
I refuse to pass down my family’s shit genetics and/or subject someone to this fucked up world just to suffer like me…
@@hudabeautyftjacquiThere are people with chronic mental illnesses where the available medications just dont cut it. I once was in a clinic with someone who suffered of cronic depression. He had to take two antidepressants and also 8-9 mg! of lorazepam per day to even manage to get up. And he also has had electric shock therapy allready and that didn't solve it. He just has problems with his memory.
Fasting and a low carb diet can help a great deal with mental issues.
i swear that step mother just wanted him gone after being told she was the issue she set out to punish him
A friend of mine worked at St. Colettas where Rosemary Kennedy lived out most of her life. She always mentioned that the Kennedy family would visit her on a regular basis. I just saw that Rosemary lived there until 2005.
this is entirely unrelated to LITERALLY everything, but nice touch adding the little loading bar with the sponsorship ad.
Sometimes I’ve been so sad/out of control that I felt like I needed a lobotomy. I wanted to be empty and hollow. I wanted to feel nothing even if it rendered me a vegetable.
I’m glad I think differently now
It must have been horrible to feel like that. I’m at least glad that from the end of your comment it seems like you aren’t suffering from those thoughts anymore.
(JOJO FAN SPOTTED🔥🔥) but anyways, that must be one of the worst feelings. I'm really glad you're doing better now. Stay healthy 👍 🫶
Absolutely horrific!!
"Back in his time there was no real mental health help."
Me, a manic depressive with PTSD in and out of the system 25 years: I got some real bad news for ya.
I thought about your remark that back in these times, there was no help for people with mental disorders and they were just dumped in an "asylum". Now in the UK at least, we have all sorts of advanced treatment but scarcely any NHS money is spent on mental health. As a result, people have real difficulty accessing services.
I can attest to that. It was shocking, I had no choice but to pay out of pocket for therapy. The NHS is wonderful and I loved having access to it when I still lived there, but yeah, the government has no interest in funding mental health services.
Almost like a free market would be more effective
@@jhoughjr1gov is defunfing health services to make people move to "for-profit" healthcare. This is a move towards forced privatisation and therefore unaccessible medical care and medical debt
@@snookermanread an article "plan to kill the nhs", it's very telling.
«Blair’s government largely continued Thatcher’s commitment to the privatisation of state assets, leaving us with some of the most expensive and inefficient utilities and transport services in Europe. And New Labour was responsible for the massive growth in outsourcing and private financing initiatives that culminated in the collapse of firms like Carillion.
Today, much of our public infrastructure is run by private corporations that use their monopoly power to squeeze cash out of consumers and the public purse. Meanwhile, vital public services such as social care are owned by private equity companies that generate massive returns on the backs of exploited workers and by underinvesting in service provision.»
@@jhoughjr1 Yet in privatised healthcare systems like the US it's far far worse. Those needing treatment for mental health issues, more than physical health, need free or dirt cheap medical care that simply isn't possible in a privatised system.
Having worked with a private therapist, even when pricing as low as feasibly possible, a great many people who need therapy cannot afford to pay for it, which means in a privatised health system they simply will never receive it. Besides, if you *do* have the money you aren't blocked from being able to get it privately in a country with socialised healthcare like the UK, such arguments always seem to neglect this fact.
Your video brought back vivid memories from my childhood when I first encountered this chilling story in a book. I distinctly remember the goosebumps I felt while reading about it. Your narration truly resonated with the impact this historical event had on me, and I appreciate the way you presented it. Thank you
Love your content
Just watching this gives me chills
The words "BRAIN RUINED" In huge font on a title card is all I need to click on it.
Found the Tiktoker
i hate that this shit works on me but it always does
Great "click bait" that actually turned out not to be click bait but 100% real in every way
Why is this so funny ?😂
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This is satire
Right?
Right.
90 bucks what a steal!!!
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