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0:16 David Tennant referencing Ghostbusters by doing a crappy Scooby-Doo impression while making an awkward "kick" is one of the most surreal DWU moments ever.
@@janseta5162 yes because Troughton was singing the theme song to "my mother the car" while making a 4th wall joke that only the script writer felt was cool.
I think Jackie is being a little unfair here. As the Doctor himself says, at one point "we're all different people, all throughout our lives - and that's brilliant". It's NORMAL for people to grow and change as they get older. If they don't, that means they've stagnated - which isn't good. If she'd come at it from a place of "I'm worried because you don't see your family anymore" or "I'm worried because it's dangerous" that would be understandable. But you can't expect your kids to never change - that's not realistic.
Yeah, but The Doctor also said that change is good, as long as you remember all of the people that you use to be. Jackie is afraid that her daughter will completely change, and abandon any sense of the life she had before behind.
Inwardly Jackie is terrified. She's witnessed her daughter change so radically and quickly. That kind of thing will mess with any parent's head big time, especially one as motherly as Jackie. As a result she's vocalising her worst fears of Rose being trapped in situation where she will never be truly happy, chasing after the only love she will ever know always just out of reach, constantly changing in the hope of finding the right formula. So while her insights are to a degree irrational, emotionally biased and worst case scenario, it was a good thing she spoke them as it grounded Rose, established a tether to her origins.
I think it's poorly articulated (but could you expect any less from council regions?), but it's not unfair at all Rose isn't just changing, she's ditching what she used to be, forgetting, despising even Growing is good, but jettisoning your culture and upbringing? Very rarely so The point of 'not even human' I think is most apt - there's so much out there that she has such a distaste for her humanity anymore, the one and only thing keeping her there at that point in time is her Mother - and when a life is your only tie, well that can be broken any day
It shows she hasn’t travelled the universe compared to Rose and is foreshadowing the parallel universes colliding plot element to come, as well as the biggest change of Rose having to get used to life in a parallel universe without The Doctor. Jackie gets what she wants, in some sense, and looking at it that way it’s one of the smartest lines in the script.
Anyway not even lordoffullmetal of today will be the same lordoffullmetal in 50 years, we all change, no matter if we are living a boring life in London or traveling around in a Tardis. Her point was/is pointless.
That’s really not how that works, just meet with her in a few weeks or a month and you keep going forward, never back. Cuz you don’t wanna mess with time
I just had a thought: if someone born after the year 2010 went back and watched this they might actually think those glasses the Doctor puts on are supposed to look like some sci-fi gadget or something. Like they were SPECIFICALLY made for this show and not a preexisting thing.
Jackie asks what's wrong with working in a shop. My answer: nothing, but working in a shop is also nothing compared to doing what the Doctor does, which is saving lives all over the galaxy
Loved seeing Martha Jones before she was Martha Jones. Wonder how often that happened? I know it did with the 12th Doctor, but I'm not sure if anyone else guest starred as a different character before coming on full time.
It's such a bad message. Imagine living a life with no change? Reminds me of what Eleven said during his regeneration: "We are all different people all through our lives and that's okay, that's good you've got to keep moving so long as you remember all the people that you used to be."
I think the point she is trying to make is that Rose has no real direction or plans other than to keep travelling with the doctor which can't last and inevitably will end with Rose having missed out on essential parts of the human experience. Sarah Jane earlier in this series echoed a similar sentiment and we got a peek at what could be Rose's future. Rose doesn't deep this and this scene had youth and naivete shine through. A human can't travel with the Doctor indefinitely, that's kind of the Doctor's curse. Always travelling with different people because ultimately they are a lone existence.
@@rikudoubapeck Pretty much what I thought too. Jacki is right in that Rose will be in her 40s while The Doctor will remain young and a few years later she won't be able to keep up. Of course The Doctor never keeps his companions for so long. Rose lucked out quite a bit in series 4's finale.
I think there's kind of a point. it's a little vague but I think what Jackie is trying to say is Rose won't have roots or like a core idea of self. she's gonna be wanderer for the rest of her life, drifting through life without much of a point. I think the point here is that change without purpose and a sense of home means you'll lose who you are.
@@dragon22214 I guess she auditioned to be in the show but they might have liked her to be the companion as well. There's not a shortage of actors, but she must have showed interest or RTD must have thought she had perfect acting to have a bugger role.
Good fucking grief. We get it 13s era was bad. Is there really still a point to go to every rtd or Moffat scene and just go "this is better than 13" what's even the point of it? Listen I don't like 13s era at all but I don't just go everywhere announcing it when there's no damn point.
What Jackie to Rose said betrayed her own bigotry and delusion that what she knows, what she is, is right. A mother should want her daughter to change, to experience the world (the universe even). Not for her to be "exactly like me"
It's so weird to think that in the exact same building that the Doctor was chatting up Yvonne Hartman, Ianto was probably serving coffee. That's what I love about RTD Era Who. Who knows, maybe Gareth and Ianto knew each other. Maybe Ianto knew everyone at Torchwood One, and when he met Martha he thought that she looked remarkably similar to a flirty co-worker he once knew.
I recently read a fanfic on Archive of Our Own where the Doctor and Rose show up at the beginning of the arrival of the 'ghosts' and it results in some pretty drastic changes. Among them, the Void Ship is sent back to the void BEFORE it can open, Jack is their ally inside Torchwood instead of Mickey, and in the end, while there are more survivors, the Torchwood building is sent to Pluto in order to keep the alien artifacts out of their hands. On the bright side, Rose stays with the Doctor and Jack starts travelling with them again.
It’s playing into audience expectation. Most people would’ve expected the Cybermen for the finale since they showed up mid season, like the Daleks did back in series 1. But then RTD pulls the rug out from under you with the Daleks exiting the void ship at the end.
Because this episode involves Torchwood. Plus, this episode predated the Torchwood series, so it was more like Murray Gold carried this motif over when production on that series began.
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0:16 David Tennant referencing Ghostbusters by doing a crappy Scooby-Doo impression while making an awkward "kick" is one of the most surreal DWU moments ever.
And the Torchwood theme plays interestingly 😂
I find it really bad actually, kinda cringeworthy
But I don't really like Series 2 that much as a whole
@@Arkenway yeah but the doctor is kinda cringe in a dorky way. moreso Matt Smith, but basically all iterations have at least a bit of dorky cringeness
@@janseta5162 yes because Troughton was singing the theme song to "my mother the car" while making a 4th wall joke that only the script writer felt was cool.
I actively despise that with all my being, like it’s so random and out of character for doctor who as a show
You can actually hear a Cyberman's voice when the Ghost is in the trap. Neat touch.
And its doing that super stiff flailing that Cybermen do when they're overloading.
I think I also hear a “Delete”.
Yeah. You can hear "delete"
"don't you thinks it's great, everyone coming back?"
"I think it's horrific"
* Miracle day flashbacks *
More like flashforward
@@oricalu448 Wibbly Wobbly
"What happens when I'm gone, dead and burried"
...it's a fucking time machine Jackie!
you can't go back in your personal timeline and mess things up so when she's gone she's gone which was her point
Torchwood theme hitting me in the feels. Welp, time to go binge on Captain Jack with a glass of red.
I think Jackie is being a little unfair here. As the Doctor himself says, at one point "we're all different people, all throughout our lives - and that's brilliant". It's NORMAL for people to grow and change as they get older. If they don't, that means they've stagnated - which isn't good.
If she'd come at it from a place of "I'm worried because you don't see your family anymore" or "I'm worried because it's dangerous" that would be understandable. But you can't expect your kids to never change - that's not realistic.
Yeah, but The Doctor also said that change is good, as long as you remember all of the people that you use to be. Jackie is afraid that her daughter will completely change, and abandon any sense of the life she had before behind.
Inwardly Jackie is terrified. She's witnessed her daughter change so radically and quickly. That kind of thing will mess with any parent's head big time, especially one as motherly as Jackie. As a result she's vocalising her worst fears of Rose being trapped in situation where she will never be truly happy, chasing after the only love she will ever know always just out of reach, constantly changing in the hope of finding the right formula. So while her insights are to a degree irrational, emotionally biased and worst case scenario, it was a good thing she spoke them as it grounded Rose, established a tether to her origins.
I think it's poorly articulated (but could you expect any less from council regions?), but it's not unfair at all
Rose isn't just changing, she's ditching what she used to be, forgetting, despising even
Growing is good, but jettisoning your culture and upbringing? Very rarely so
The point of 'not even human' I think is most apt - there's so much out there that she has such a distaste for her humanity anymore, the one and only thing keeping her there at that point in time is her Mother - and when a life is your only tie, well that can be broken any day
It shows she hasn’t travelled the universe compared to Rose and is foreshadowing the parallel universes colliding plot element to come, as well as the biggest change of Rose having to get used to life in a parallel universe without The Doctor. Jackie gets what she wants, in some sense, and looking at it that way it’s one of the smartest lines in the script.
Anyway not even lordoffullmetal of today will be the same lordoffullmetal in 50 years, we all change, no matter if we are living a boring life in London or traveling around in a Tardis. Her point was/is pointless.
"What happens when I'm gone?"
I really wish Rose said "Don't worry I've got a time machine I can just go back and visit you!"
That’s really not how that works, just meet with her in a few weeks or a month and you keep going forward, never back. Cuz you don’t wanna mess with time
Yeah she can just save her from a car crash
I think she's learnt her lesson on that one
She can’t go back on someone’s personal timeline. The doctor said himself
Who ya gonna call??? Tenth Doctor!!!
Lol
I ain’t afraid of no Daleks
@@thewandererslibrary9928 I think you mean "I ain't afraid of no Cybermen!"
@@thewandererslibrary9928 aaww, you stole what I was gonna say.
Love the torchwood theme used in this clip
I just had a thought: if someone born after the year 2010 went back and watched this they might actually think those glasses the Doctor puts on are supposed to look like some sci-fi gadget or something. Like they were SPECIFICALLY made for this show and not a preexisting thing.
Jackie asks what's wrong with working in a shop. My answer: nothing, but working in a shop is also nothing compared to doing what the Doctor does, which is saving lives all over the galaxy
Nothing wrong with it but everyone will tell you it boring.
0:13 this *has* to have been off-script. there's no way it wasn't XD
Loved seeing Martha Jones before she was Martha Jones. Wonder how often that happened? I know it did with the 12th Doctor, but I'm not sure if anyone else guest starred as a different character before coming on full time.
Bernard Cribbins was in one of the Dr. Who films with Peter Cushing in the 60s (or 70s; can't remember which) long before he played Wilfred.
The 6th Doctor, Collin Baker, was in an episode with the 5th Doctor (I think it was him anyways), Peter Davidson. He played a guard or something.
I only just noticed
Amy pond was in the same episode as peter capaldi in Pompeii
Gwen from Torchwood.
At 4:06 you can hear the cyberman talk a bit(better when headphones)
Dude what Jackie said is horrible. She was never going to loose herself with the doctor. They became better versions of themselves with each other
It's such a bad message. Imagine living a life with no change? Reminds me of what Eleven said during his regeneration:
"We are all different people all through our lives and that's okay, that's good you've got to keep moving so long as you remember all the people that you used to be."
I think the point she is trying to make is that Rose has no real direction or plans other than to keep travelling with the doctor which can't last and inevitably will end with Rose having missed out on essential parts of the human experience. Sarah Jane earlier in this series echoed a similar sentiment and we got a peek at what could be Rose's future. Rose doesn't deep this and this scene had youth and naivete shine through. A human can't travel with the Doctor indefinitely, that's kind of the Doctor's curse. Always travelling with different people because ultimately they are a lone existence.
@@rikudoubapeck Pretty much what I thought too. Jacki is right in that Rose will be in her 40s while The Doctor will remain young and a few years later she won't be able to keep up. Of course The Doctor never keeps his companions for so long. Rose lucked out quite a bit in series 4's finale.
I think there's kind of a point. it's a little vague but I think what Jackie is trying to say is Rose won't have roots or like a core idea of self. she's gonna be wanderer for the rest of her life, drifting through life without much of a point. I think the point here is that change without purpose and a sense of home means you'll lose who you are.
COME ON THEN YOU BEEAAUUUTTTEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAA
Oh god this was the life. This was Doctor Who. So beautiful.
Ugh the use of torchwood gets me
Love the soundtrack in this scene. I also like the props, reminds me of something outta Jak and Daxter haha.
I’d rather have a ghost for MP than any of the muppets in Parliament rn.
What ta fuck
Idk what MP is so my brain went "Minister Prime" and sounds like Optimus Prime.
@@cutecats532 Member of Parliament, but yours is better
This comment is like Captain Jack, it's straight up timeless
The whole episode leading up to the cybermen and daleks reveal was just utter perfection.
Anyone else notice the Torchwood theme song before the show even existed?
The four dislikes were the ghostbusters. 😂😂😂
And slimmer now
Oh no they got Marthaaa....s twin... cousin
As someone who isn't from the UK is there acting pool really so small lol
@@dragon22214 I guess she auditioned to be in the show but they might have liked her to be the companion as well. There's not a shortage of actors, but she must have showed interest or RTD must have thought she had perfect acting to have a bugger role.
Funny seeing Martha before you know who she was !
It's her cousin
The music in the background the ghost theme is hilarious
This one clip was more fun than 13s entire tenure as the doctor
So true
Good fucking grief. We get it 13s era was bad. Is there really still a point to go to every rtd or Moffat scene and just go "this is better than 13" what's even the point of it?
Listen I don't like 13s era at all but I don't just go everywhere announcing it when there's no damn point.
@@xgekozx3305boooooo
"Who you gonna call"
WAIT A SECOND MARTHA
Martha! NOOOOO!!!! D':
Torchwood Musicccccc
What Jackie to Rose said betrayed her own bigotry and delusion that what she knows, what she is, is right.
A mother should want her daughter to change, to experience the world (the universe even). Not for her to be "exactly like me"
Who you going to call?? The Doctor!!!
Gareth Evans is such a BTEC Ianto Jones
It's so weird to think that in the exact same building that the Doctor was chatting up Yvonne Hartman, Ianto was probably serving coffee. That's what I love about RTD Era Who. Who knows, maybe Gareth and Ianto knew each other. Maybe Ianto knew everyone at Torchwood One, and when he met Martha he thought that she looked remarkably similar to a flirty co-worker he once knew.
I bet that Ghostbusters bit was Ad-libbed
OK. Just noticed. How is Rose supposed to be watching what the lines or whatever are doing on the screen, if she's watching the doctor on that screen?
What?
How can you watch youtube on a screen if you play video games on the same screen?
You can hear David go Scottish in some parts of it
Who you gonna call, Ghostbusters!!!❤️❤️🎼
i love the ghostbusters line
OH. their already cybermen! The two with the wicked earpods.
I recently read a fanfic on Archive of Our Own where the Doctor and Rose show up at the beginning of the arrival of the 'ghosts' and it results in some pretty drastic changes. Among them, the Void Ship is sent back to the void BEFORE it can open, Jack is their ally inside Torchwood instead of Mickey, and in the end, while there are more survivors, the Torchwood building is sent to Pluto in order to keep the alien artifacts out of their hands. On the bright side, Rose stays with the Doctor and Jack starts travelling with them again.
What about Pete and Jackie?
Wesley Molt do you have a link for that?
@@lonestarwolfentertainment7184 No
Matheus21video was I asking you?
I fucking can't believe GHOSTBUSTERS got referenced what's next Transformers, Star Trek, Star Wars
nah, star trek already got mentioned back with 9
0:03- Well thanks for ruining the villain.
They spoiled A villain, not THE villain. The Cybermen are trouble, but what comes next is even worse
Point was to show she was converted in the rest of the scene I think.
It’s playing into audience expectation. Most people would’ve expected the Cybermen for the finale since they showed up mid season, like the Daleks did back in series 1. But then RTD pulls the rug out from under you with the Daleks exiting the void ship at the end.
“Who you gonna call”
Why does the Doctor sound more like Scooby?
Martha Jones Cameo
See you soon!
Wait that’s Martha and the guy from torchwood
Can u upload the clip where the doctor tells us what the Silence is?
Can do!
@@THEVALEYARD Thanks!
The what?
@@markyang7178 The silence, the guys who, when u look at them, then turn away, u forget that you've seen them.
@@Spartsou r/woooosh
weird monologue from jackie there
Love
i wish i had HBO MAX ),:
Whats with the Torchwood music?
Because this episode involves Torchwood. Plus, this episode predated the Torchwood series, so it was more like Murray Gold carried this motif over when production on that series began.
0:06
the ghost busters joke is probably the worst doctor who joke probably ever
And I love it.
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And only comment
Not anymore :)