@@Put-in-666 Thought so too, not important of course (well, to her im sure it is) but she is gorgeous and really talented, alas it is stacy not chad this time. 😔
I appreciate the honesty coming from a singer-songwriter who was not being sponsored, but who realistically has different expectations of those two guitars. They sound DIFFERENT. That's super helpful. I can see many people being encouraged to either really appreciate what they own, or are not intimidated to write and record because their guitar isnt a $3500.00 model. I love these " inside the life of a musician" type videos. You're talking to two different audiences at once and both are incredibly meaningful and helpful.
I've lost enough hearing to notice much difference at all, maybe a more resolute bottom end on the Martin but the same sound still. Diminished hearing could be a real money saver.
Loved your song. Loved your honest comparison. I've been playing guitar "unprofessionally" for 64 years. I veered into medicine instead of music for a profession. At 74 I'm retiring from medicine and veering back into music - primarily guitar. I've purchased high end and inexpensive guitars over the years. I still play both. I learned to play on a chunk of wood with strings but my second guitar let me "feel" the music reverbrating through the guitars body into my body. That emotional link inspired me to continue. I doubt you could have written your marvelous new song on the orangewood ( You'll tell me if you think I'm wrong) but I absolutely see it's terrific value as a beginner guitar and later as a travel ax. Like people, every guitar has it's own personality. Search for one(s) that compliment yours.
“Six Thousand Miles” is brilliant. I kind of heard those two guitars as complimentary, not competitive, in that tune, a woody thump in the Orangewood and a kind of crystalline yet smokey bourbon refinement from the Martin. Fantastic!
that's what Seagull used to be known for . . . maybe time I tried an Orangewood, because there aren't many lefties and I thought it actually sounded better in this vid
Nothing wrong with the Orangewood, especially for that affordable price! I have owned my OM-28V since new in 2002. I can hear the differences. The Martin has a fuller sound with warmth and deeper lows. I was expecting the Orangewood to have the warmth because of the mahogany, but I was wrong. It's a good comparison, due to similar body style and size. Great video!
I am totally impressed with "6000 miles" The Martin definitely has a brighter sound But, the cheaper one sounds good for the money. Thanks for the demonstration, Mary.
The Orangewood sounds really good, the Martin sounds better. But not $3500 worth better! If I was comparing these looking to buy one or the other, the Orangewood wins hands down! I had a similar experience comparing a Washburn acoustic to a Taylor. I ended up buying the Washburn. Actually TWO Washburn guitars, a 6 string and a 12 string, for less than the price of one Taylor 6 string. That was around 20 years ago and I still own and play both of the Washburn guitars!
Nothing wrong with inexpensive guitars… Seagull models are wildly popular. I wouldn’t necessarily expect them to have the same life span or take the same intense use as a Taylor, Gibson, Collings, Santa Cruz… But you never know.
Exactly, the Martin sounds a bit better (subjective); it does not sound $3k better. I'd definitely buy the Orangewood and think I got good value in the purchase.
I agree. I think the Orangewood sounds great for a guitar that costs a little over $200. It's agreed the Martin sounds better, but like you said is it $3500 better?
1 second ago when you go expensive value is out the door, spend tons more for better. like a honda 25k or porsche 125k. typically high end has a reason folks are willing to spend big money. at a certain point it takes tons more money for minor improvement. like making a really fast car even faster
You’re getting more than just better sound when It comes to a martin though. Not saying that orange-wood guitars are bad but I’ve played both and id pick a Martin any day.
Lovely song. Much appreciated. For me, the Martin is brighter, livelier. It competes with your voice for attention. The Orangewood has a more blended, harmonious, 'melted into the background' sound. If I had a superb voice, I would probably prefer the cheaper guitar. If I was a less serious singer and the focus was on my guitar work, then the Martin would be for choice.
Cool video, Mary! I had seen the vid in 2019 too and it's nice to revisit the Orangewood and compare it to your Martin. I love OM models and the warm cosy sound of Mahogany 🤗. Your Martin is clearly more resonant and fuller sounding, but I listen with pleasure to you playing the Orangewood, too 😊👍. Have a nice rest of your day 😘
Using a mahogany top on a more cheaply made guitar is honestly a bit of a genius move. The natural compression of the hardwood balances a sound that could otherwise be warped by cut corners in other places,- not saying that is the case here, but the results speak for themselves. I'm impressed, and it looks gorgeous.
I bought an orangewood Mahogany in may of 2022 based on your recommendation. It arrived with no problems and with good intonation. The factory strings did tarnish a little after 1 year. But I think that is normal for all strings with my hands. The finish on my guitar is not one hundred percent perfect, There are some imperfections in the matte Clear coat where the neck meets the body. But I do not mind at all for the price. The guitar still looks stunning to me. And the finish has held up very well. I am most impressed with the tuners. I was worried about them, but they still hold a tune better than any other acoustic that I have had. I have never had an expensive acoustic guitar. I have had some japanese made acoustic electrics, but this is my first all acoustic. I am in my 30s and have play guitar since I was 11. And I can recommend the orange wood oliver mahogany. I have been extremely impressed with it. Especially for its price. The case it comes with, it's nice also. I used your code. Mary's friends ten I don't know if it's still active but it worked for me in 2022.
Beautifully made video Mary thank you. First off, great comparison, rhe little orangewood sounded fantastic as did the Martin as expected. Secondly really nice song thanks 😊
Amazing timing in your playing Mary, very professional level video, song and comparison. You keep getting better in leaps and bounds, thanks for all you do 😻
I bought the Orangewood Mahogany because that's what you're using in the beginning guitar class I purchased from you. I love the guitar and your class! Thanks Mary!
Your videos are so well made Mary! The editing, the sound and the video quality are all top notch. Not to mention your amazing guitar skills. Cannot wait to hear the new album. Great work Mary 👏
Very enjoyable comparison, listening on my ear buds, the Martin was fuller on both the low and top end and just had more presence. 15x better? No. But to a certain extent, you get what you pay for.
Started 1st March 2023 buying a fairly cheap, Takemine GN20 NS, without any electronics. Around $230 USD. It was somewhat dull, but after changing the nut and saddle from plastic to bone, the guitar certainly came to life. Also a proper setup was needed. This year I got myself a Taylor Guitar (Baby BT1e). Yes, I do clearly hear the difference. --- As also have been working with wood, I also see the difference in the quality of wood and especially in the finish/details. At the shop I also tried some of the more expensive Taylor and yes, there is difference between cheaper and more expensive guitars. -------- As a beginner songwriter myself, I really luv your music!!!! It's really awesome! Wish you the very best on your journey in life! Cheers ❤🙏
To my ears the Martin sounds "more alive". It has a broader frequency range and it sound like the "stereo image" is wider and more open. Love the playing!
Love the song “6000 miles”. I’ve been playing Martin Acoustics as my primary for 50 + years so I never think anything sounds like a Martin. I am always looking for a lower end guitar as my secondary. Definitely will try out the “Orangewoods” if I can.
The Martin sounds so good and had a noticeably warmer "thump" when you hit the bridge. I really enjoyed the Orangewood, nice guitar at a very reasonable price. Playing was very enjoyable and top notch as always.
This is brilliant. Context is everything. I actually think the Orangewood probably works a little better in a singer-songwriter context since it has much fewer overtones.
I got my used Takamine guitar @ our local pawn shop.. she was 4yrs old from manufacture & was $170 with new strings on! lesson: hit the pawn shops 1st before going new!
50 years ago I wanted a Martin but the cost was just too high for a 22 year old at the time. The Martin at the time was around $800. I tried an Ovation which had a beautiful full, Rich sound. It was also almost $400 less. I bought the Ovation and still have it and it still sounds great. However I often wish I could've afforded that beautiful Martin. The Martin would have aged gracefully as would have the sound. Of course the Martin would now be worth a pretty penny. I don't regret buying the Ovation but I wish like hell that I could've found the money for the Martin. Thanks for the video Mary. I love the comparison of the two guitars and your final thoughts on the two.
The biggest difference I have noted over the years are the better guitars are usually more consistent in quality and sound whereas with cheaper ones, two seemingly identical guitars of the same brand and model hanging on a rack side by side can be quite different, one surprisingly good for the price and the one next to it pretty ordinary. The occasional guitar just through happenstance gets everything right and stands out, I recall playing a $700 Washburn steel string in a guitar shop back in the 70's (probably a $2500 guitar these days) that was just stunning and I regret not buying it as no Washburn I have come across since since was near as good.
I was able to play two Martin D-28 Authentic 1937 guitars, the same model year in two local shops (identical climate conditions) within the same month (both instruments were new). One had a very large sound, and the other seemed much more muted. This is as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as I could get. Even premium guitars vary in sound within the same model.
I started on a borrowed Ibanez, then bought a $300 Yamaha, and in four years it hasn't disappointed me one bit. A few of the components are made of "lesser" materials, but I don't think it matters at all, especially at my level of playing. My first electric was an entry-level Kramer, but the tuners were crap and the fret wires overhung the fretboard and cut my fingers. I picked up a used Schecter for $450 and it was like upgrading from a motorbike to a limousine. It's so smooth and tunes so easily, it's just a joy to hold in my hands. No beginner should spend big bucks on a guitar. Buy an inexpensive guitar, and use the savings to support the amazing content creators who help you along your musical journey.
Wow Mary! Just freakin' WOW! I've seen every video your name is on and that was the best performance(s), of the best song, you've ever shared. It's brilliant. This song will be a huge hit. I'd love to hear these two recordings complete and can't wait to hear everything else you do with it. 6000 Miles is my new favorite song.
you put orangewood on my radar and I eventually got an Oliver mahogany junior and a Brooklyn junior live (since discontinued). I LOVE the Oliver mahogany junior. just a perfect cuddle guitar. I can play so fast on it. the Brooklyn junior live is a beauty -- I hope they offer another junior like that some day. I didn't think orangewood would live up to the hype but it did. not that I'd turn down a Martin :)
Thank you, that's very interesting. I've been thinking about getting my first acoustic to go with the electrics that I already have. This adds a lot of useful information for me. One thing to note about the difference between a company like Martin that makes everything in-house and a company that outsources some of the manufacture is the potential differences in quality control. Note that this has nothing to do with where the article is made (there are skilled luthiers and woodworkers the world over). Different organizations will necessarily have differences in processes, and there is a greater chance there can be a wider range in the quality of manufacture when a guitar or it's parts are made in multiple location and shipped longer distances. No two guitars are ever going to be identical, of course, and no company makes a perfect guitar every time. What I like about Orangewood is that they are careful to do their own setup and final check before the guitar goes out the door. I think this mitigates potential problems over other companies that rely more on outside organizations to do more of the setup. Of course, not matter what the guitar, the final setup should be done to the player's needs, whether by the player or a qualified luthier. I will definitely add Orangewood to my options for searching for my next instrument.
I wonder how many players would choose the Martin over the Orangewood had they not seen which guitar you were playing. Almost 30 years in the studio business I heard several brands. Many less expensive acoustics sounded very good. Yes, and some needed work. As you stated, diminishing returns
Not to sound mundane but as good videos are your norm, nice video. There is a comprehensive analysis of the Orangewood guitar done by DriftwoodGuitars. He has a UA-cam channel. Driftwood Guitar is a luthier. When reviewing the guitars he actually cuts the guitar in half; then, provides detailed analysis of the type of bracing, woods used for bracing, tonal affect of woods used, thickness of sound board, thickness of clear coat or paint used and on and on. Understanding the process used to make a guitar is helpful. I happen upon the channel while having my morning coffee. Cheers
I own 7 guitars including Martin, Taylor, Yamaha, Zagar, Gibson and even a Keith Urban $200 accoustic special. They are all unique and the Martin and Taylor are my favorites. When I bought the Keith Urban, I put good strings on it and made some minor adjustments. Decided one night to ask my friends I wanted to do an experiment. So, I played 2 minutes of the same song on all 7 and then asked them to give a score of 1 for a guitar they thought sounded amazing, a 2 for one that sounded good, and a 3 for a guitar that was just okay. 3 of my 4 buddies ranked the Urban as a 1 along with the Martin and Taylor. Gibson and Zagar scored a 2 and the rest were a 3. All of the guitars were pleasing, but they thought the Urban was a cut above. Just shows that even a cheap guitar properly setup can be pleasing to the ear in the right hands.
I've never plucked a guitar string, but I do build speakers as a hobby. I absolutely thought the dark (Orangwood?) one was the expensive one. It is brighter and doesn't have the mid-bass resonance of the expensive one giving the lower priced guitar a flatter sounding response. I also like the dark color.
You picked up on something which is that “bright” sounds are increasingly popular among acoustic players, especially new players. Taylor capitalizes on this and they double down on their signature sound, which is bright. But one thing to know is that instruments are the opposite of speakers: a guitar with a flat non-resonant response is terribly uninspiring. It’s the subtle resonances and color that good instruments produce that generates an emotional connection. I preferred the Martin for the exact observation you made.
Really well made and interesting video. I have a Cole Clark that I absolutely love. Recently, in order to have a guitar when I am in the UK, I purchased a Tanglewood Crossroads. Totally different price points but I thoroughly enjoyed almost three weeks exclusively playing the Tanglewood and managed to write a couple of songs on it. Will record them next time in the UK.
I love that we now have a number of "budget-friendly" instruments that can sound, feel and play remarkably well, especially compared to the 1960's and 1970's :D It's still a good idea to get hands-on and try a number of examples of brands, models, and even within same models, due to potentially less quality control with budget instruments and/or changes that occur between manufacture site and final destination. I loved watching/hearing an interview with Eric Bibb (an amazing singer/songwriter and acoustic guitar player for those unfamiliar) He had a collection of wonderful instruments, but wanted a different SOUND for a particular song. He found a music/guitar store that had a number of the exact same model approx. "parlor size" guitars that were of the type he wanted. (He WANTED that dry, thumpy woody sound without overtones or much systain) He tried a number of them before finding ONE that didn't have fret issues or other problems, but the one he eventually found was just what he wanted for recording that particular song. The guitar was something like $150 to $180 US price at the time. If the tool matches the job, that's what matters! :D Another "good excuse" for owning more than one guitar! :D
I listened to this with good-quality over-the-ear headphones. What I hear out of the Martin is more sustain and more depth/resonance in the lower registers (strings 4-6). It's not possible to hear a difference in the amount of hand strength needed to play clear notes, but I appreciate your mentioning it at the end of the video.
Nice Video! As mentioned, it's really all about what your "performance" consists of. Solo guitar performing is quite different than accompanying vocals/other instruments. Over many years of live performing I have found that with the acoustic guitar amped, the only thing that really matters is that the guitar is comfortable to play! If amplified, the sound of any guitar can be adjusted to taste whether using a pickup or a mic. "More comfortable to play" also includes how YOU mentally feel with it when standing in front of an audience. That could be affected by the appearance of the guitar - think of the difference between a Martin D18 and a cherry burst Gibson Hummingbird. Each makes a considerably different visual impression which affects your own feeling of using the guitar. In reality, NOBODY in the audience is ever going to say or think, "I really liked your song but it would have been much better if you played a Martin instead of that Orangewood"! OTOH, nobody is going to walk up to you after a song/performance, and say, "That's a really nice 'Orangewood' guitar!"
I got a £400 Breedlove electro acoustic in 2013. Still use her today. Feels and sounds great. Had comments from sound guys at gigs I’ve played at how warm it sounds through the PA.
I think a big factor in the price difference is how it feels. My last acoustic guitar was a Mexican Martin and it was 100% serviceable and a solid workhorse. But eventually, the small things started to wear me down: the fretboard, the shape, the finish (satin that began to shine and get sticky), and it seemed to become more and more lifeless as it aged vs my other acoustic becoming more alive.
Sounds great with the context you've put the 2 guitars. I might get a Martin in the future. Even tho the cheap one sounds good, expensive guitars normally are more comfortable to play and allow your fingers to play for more time, and since I play for 2hours or more, most of the time, my fingers will thank me 😂. BTW that new song... love it, a lot.
I own Taylors, Martins, Breedlove, and Gibson Acoustics. The guitar that sits on a stand next to my desk is my Orangewood Oliver M with Elixir .013-.053. It's my everyday guitar that I can take anywhere. I love my Orangewood! Thanks for this awesome video Mary. Fyi, it was your 1st video that sold me on the Oliver M. Thanks again!
I started out with an torrified top acoustic, then I picked up a baritone and finally I got a 12 string. All Orangewoods. They are all nice guitars. I also have a couple Martins, a Zager parlor and a Gretch resonator. I pondered the Oliver before I got the Zager. I may still get an Oliver. I have my 6 strings set in different tunings. Plus I signed up for your finger style class.
Can you elaborate on your Orangewoood 12 string? I am dying for a 12 string. I had a mid 50s Hofner, made in Germany, and even called the German headquarters with the serial number they could only say it was a mid 50s. They were bought out by Selmer, the band instruments company and they were of lesser quality. If you have any specs etc, I would appreciate it! I have not sang a song since my nephew brought it back with a collapsed bridge and bracing. I found that he tried to tune it to G instead of using a capo.
Mary let me start out by saying I'm a long time musician and with eyes shut just listening there is a night and day difference. The Martin is so soft and warm with a sound that feels like a warm fuzzy blanket that envelopes the whole room The Orangewood gives a warm comparison and not bad for the price point , but the Martin run's away in the studio setting .
Well, done! Most reviews/demos are only new products. My Morgan sounded pretty lack luster out of the box. But after a couple months, it really bloomed and sounds great! Comparing the Martin and Orangewood within context was great! There is a need for players to have both "precious" and not as "precious" instruments. There's no need for snobbery and much need for practicality. Again, well done, Mary!
I have always wanted a Martin guitar. I recently bought a Martin 000-16 Streetmaster. I didn't love it, and was trying to force myself to like it because it said, "Martin", on the headstock. I returned it, and purchased a Recording King RO-328. A 000 sized guitar, just like the Martin. As soon as I strummed it, I loved it. That was the reaction I should have had from the Martin, but didn't. The Recording King, is all solid wood, made in China, but that is the one I wanted to keep. It's not just the country of origin that is the deciding factor, it's the standard of quality the company ordering the guitars will accept that makes a guitar great or not. I still want a Martin though, and now an Orangewood too. Thanks for the video and for confirming my decision.
Sub $1000 acoustic guitars may not have dramatically different tonal qualities from more expensive guitars, but with a lot of brands, you'll eventually run into quality issues like binding defects, cheap tuners, looser tolerances with the fit of the neck to the body, cheaper finishes, and bracing issues. You're also going to get a lower grade of wood, which is perhaps the most consistent cost reduction you'll see.
I couldn’t agree more with your assessment. I’m comparing the OW Brooklyn live compared to my Taylor 224 LXE Koa. My Taylor is still on top but the OW is a great addition to my collection. Thanks!
Thank you for your comparison of expensive vs inexpensive guitars. Here's my take on my Orangewood: I'll start by mentioning that I am a retired guitar repairman in the eastern United States. I was authorized by C. F. Martin and other respected brands to do warranty service on their guitars. I had never heard of Orangewood until I watched this video a few months ago. I decided to give Orangewood a try. I bought a factory-second, non-electrified, mahogany-topped Ava model. The only "secondness" I can find about it is that it came without the high E string, and the nut grooves could stand to be a hair lower, two problems easily rectified. Skipping all the nuances of a full-fledged review, I'll skip directly to my conclusion: My Orangewood Ava guitar is the most bang-for-the-buck acoustic guitar I have ever seen. Period. And thanks to you, I own one.
I understand well enough where you're coming from Mary. Over the years, I've had several cars, and one in particular was like a part of me. And it;s the same with a certain couple of my brushes too. (I'm an artist). Although they've all done the same job, it's just a little something I can't put my finger on that makes them stand out.
Mary, you are SO GOOD! :) Through headphones, the Martin is definitely fuller, richer and so much more resonant... felt like it was projecting gently shimmering "audio snowflakes" that floated around the width of my sonic spectrum. The Orangewood had a narrower, thinner sound by comparison. On its own, it would be more than serviceable in any situation, but if you want that extra special sonic sauce (and have a pocket deep enough), it's clearly the Martin. Thanks for assembling this video!
Beautiful. The differences are subtle, maybe even indiscernible to non-player. Good points about having a decent player that is "not so precious" as your Martin. Still playing my D28 after 50 years.
The build quality of the Orangewood is amazingly good for a guitar of that price. I've done set-ups for cheap guitars a few times and, as long as the basic build of the guitar is good, you can generally absolutely transform the playability just by making relatively simple changes such as adjusting the truss rod, upgrading cheap components etc. You can end up with a quality guitar that sounds and plays like it would have been way more expensive than it actually was.
Orangewood might be my next acoustic guitar. Having seen the collector and high-end market craziness, I've settled on a philosophy to get the most guitar for the least money. If I ever do get a Martin, it will probably be a D-15 Streetmaster. Your playing and singing is incredibly consistent to be able to swap back and forth the way you did in the demo. Great review.
It may sound strange, but I liked the shots with the Orangewood better. The Martin sounds great and is second to none, but I had the feeling that it was competing with your voice instead of accompanying it. A mix with the Martin doing the instrumental sections and the Orangewood the vocal parts would be ideal, in my opinion. You're a great artist and I am a big fan. Cheers!
The Martin sounds a lot crisper to me. The Orangewood sounds really good too, just a bit muffled in comparison. And of course the Orangewood is a lot closer to my price range ... Now I have a Takamine Martin copy from the early eighties that I love.
Loved everything about this video... except that I can't get an Orangewood here in AU! I thought I'd mention - on the off-chance you've not heard about it - 'Nashville Tuning', where you string one of your guitars (usually the less expensive one) with the 'high' set of a 12 string. Because you will tend to play them in unison (because you're good), recorded and panned in stereo, it can give an effect that's greater than the sum of its parts, sounding like a single instrument, but also not. Anyway, worth a try, if you've never done it... I thought *everyone* knew this old (Nashville) trick, but have been surprised to find even many younger pros have never heard/tried it. Thanks for everything you do, break-a-leg 😎
Both sound great imo. I'd use the Martin to record and the Orangewood to take with me everywhere: if something happens I can easily replace the Orangewood but not the Martin, I also prefer the Martins sound for recording, but enjoy the darkness of the Orangewood for a live setting. Owning the two I'd use both differently.
I have a similar philosophy with cameras and guitars. That is, it is much more important who is using the machine than the quality of the machine. That said, I have a Martin for a reason, the fullness and warmth is just unmatched.
They both sound good. The Martin just has more of a damp sound to it compared to the Orange Wood. Based on this comparison I would definitely prefer the Orange Wood for sound and price.
I had an Orangewood Mason Live that I purchased as a backup instrument. I played the Orangewood on many gigs and really appreciated the playability and feel. I recently sold it to a friend as a step-up guitar for her and she is enjoying it a lot. Thanks for both of your Orangewood reviews! My primary guitar is a Takamine G series, and I now have a Furch Yellow that is truly amazing. Thank you for ALL of the videos! From the mountains of Western North Carolina, USA.
Oh My, you've got me shopping Guitars and Guitar tones again. Your comparison, I like them both. The Orangewood thru your Mic picks up the low Bass tone likely not heard so much in studio. The D28, always sounds well balanced, but a Price only an accomplished Musician can afford. Personally, I tend to look for close sounding Guitar alternatives vs the 'High Dollar' Acoustics because due to my luck, my Guitars are likely to get stolen or stepped on by my un-appreciative audience. it's a Fun Journey, shopping for a new Guitar, (especially comparing Acoustic Guitars in the stores, closed in glass, control booth's and swapping out the Guitars with my favorite own song creations). The drawback is , it's quite time consuming no doubt and finding someone to suffer through the experience with me is a miracle. Love your Voice and your Music, Big Luck going forward. And Folks, Support these Artists, Creativity, it really is Hard but enjoyable Work!
Mary, I really liked this video, one of the best comparison videos I've seen.The Martin definitely had a fuller sound, but the Orangewood sounded great for a $279 guitar. The length of play is so important, but not mentioned in any other videos I've seen comparing guitars. Great job as always.
This is a great video, I'm 59 y.o. keyboard player who picked up guitar about 4 years ago and I have an Orangewood and absolutely LOVE it. The Mahogany Rey was less than $200 and my guitar player friends also dig it. Thanks for your content as always. loveandpeace.
Mary, thank you for posting this. My grandson is 12 years old and he's just learning to play guitar. He has an electric guitar but I thought it would be nice to get him an acoustic as well. I had him watch this video and even listen to it with headphones on to see if he could tell the difference between the guitars. It was really close. Then, as a surprise, I bought the Orangewood Junior guitar for him, and he was thrilled to death. When he opened the box, he thought I had got him a new guitar case and he was super excited. Then he unzipped it and realized there was a guitar inside and he was like WHAT!?! that little moment would've never happened without this video. So thank you. Also ... I love that song 6000 miles. What kind of mic do you use to record your guitar when you're playing?
I play electric bass guitar. In my beginnings I bought my first fivestring bass which was a cheap instrument made in China. Just two years ago I bought an even cheaper one also from China, after having played an expensive piece of European craftsmanship for over 15 years. I was surprised to learn that apparently many of these Chinese instruments nowadays are manufactured a lot bette than some years ago. Of course, they can't fully compete, but not all folks out there can afford such an expensive instrument. So in the end I think this is an overall positive development since it allows many people to play decent instruments who wouldn't have been able to buy any playable instrument something like 15 years ago.
I own 2 Orangewood guitars. An Oliver Jr Live ($135 - my favorite practice/couch guitar of the moment) and a Brooklyn Mahogany Live ($475 USD) which I have been gigging with for a few weeks. I really like the quality and setup for the price of the Ornagewood guitars. My most expensive guitar is a 2002 Martin DM (all mahogany dreadnaught) with Baggs Studio Anthem pickup system and custom made bone nut & saddle. About $1700 USD all in. I also regularly gig with a 1982 Yamaha SJ-180 with Baggs M80 soundhole pickup ( approx $350 USD). Lastly I gig with a Lava ME 3 carbon fiber guitar with built -in effects electronics ($1200 USD). I have played a few very costly guitars, both custom made and from the big 3 (Martin, Gibson, Taylor), as well as Guild, Larivee, Collins and others. While I have envied some of the owners of those expensive guitars I have had the pleasure of playing, I could never see myself spending that much money for a single instrument. Honestly, first and foremost I have never, and still don't, have the income to afford such a luxury. However, more importantly I haven't had any one of the really expensive guitars blow me away enough (sound, feel, or looks) to even think about it. For me the feel is first, then the sound (from my playing postion rather than out front because I want to be inspired in the moment of playing), and lastly the looks. I believe much of the sound comes from me (my finger style, attack, improvistation style, chord voicings, etc) , and then my personal specific setup (action, strings, nut/saddle/bridge pin/plectrum materials). I have found many a less expensive guitar, applied myself and my setup, and have had many an envious comment made to me, including purchase offers. This is not to say that spending the money, if you have it, on a very expensive guitar wouldl never be fulfilling or have some payoff to me as a song writer and performer. I just have not had one in my hands that personally convinced me yet. I am envious of your OM though! Josh Turner's too.
Great side-by-side comparison. I thought the Martin sounded better over all but the Orangewood wasn't bad - especially for the price. I got an Orangewood Rey (spruce top) about 3 years ago to take camping and busking. It only cost $129 at the time. There was no way in hell I was going take my other guitars camping. The Rey doesn't sound as good as the Oliver you played. I've sat down and played the Rey side-by-side with my Taylor 814ce and there is a very pronounced difference. They Rey is a bit dull sounding missing the mid-range frequencies and although the setup is good it is tiring to play after a few hours. The Taylor plays like butter and has a rich tone similar to the Martin you played. In this case, you get what you pay for. One thing to note is Orangewood's good customer service. My first Rey came damaged in shipping. Orangewood paid for the guitar to be shipped back and immediately sent me a replacement.
I have two acoustic guitars ... a £99 Eastcoast, and a £1800 Taylor. There's obviously a difference, but the playability of the Eastcoast when setup decently is impressive. It's also the guitar I take when going camping or LARPing!
Marvelous playing. A really nice objective comparison and advice on the guitars. Love how your mastery of the separate styles of voice enhances your songs. Great stuff.
Firstly, I need to apologize for failing to keep up with your videos; I somehow missed this one and a few others, so I'm late to the comments here. I absolutely agree with your assessment of the Martin being warmer, but I'm not sure I could have told the difference during your song had I not been listening on headphones. As someone starting to learn to play, it's good to know that there is an affordably priced high quality option out there. Thank you for this side-by-side comparison!!!
The difference between the Martin and the Orangewood is that the former is a lifetime friend, something that will grown and live with you, something you come home to. The Orangewood is an instrument to play, something that requires more frequent tuning, something that is a great travel guitar - satisfying to play and sounding surprisingly good - but it does not feel the same as your own guitar - like borrowing someone else's good guitar... fit for purpose certainly, but not the same. My own Martin is fifteen years old and fifteen years my friend and companion. I am not a very fluent player, but we understand one another... reminds me of the Guild I learned on in the 1960s. I am full of admiration for the Orangewood - and certainly having a really good guitar for a budget price is a good thing... not like the crap Costco occasionally sells.
Your song is great! Your guitar technique is truly your own and as a player for over 60 years is quite impressive! Both guitars sound so good it is obviously the artist that makes it so. Wonderful voice, as well.
If bought my Morgan 3 years ago after Mary Spender's review....love it....only acoustic I need for how often I play vs electric. Have had 2 mid range Martins...nice....but the OW is a great buy for a beginner/intermediate who wants a well set up guitar that sounds very good. That Martin sounds amazing and I"m sure it also 'feels' amazing to the player...so there is the 'feel' of a guitar and even a boutique amp (as I've recently learned) that comes with lofty price tags. A Yamaha piano will sound great....a Steinway, heavenly.
I've been thinking about expensive/cheap guitars, really enjoyed your video. That being said, I was moved by your song and performance enough I'll have to play it again and try to pay attention to the sound of the guitars. And I'm looking forward to it!
I own a 2022 Orangewood Sage Torrefied Spruce Live guitar. It cost me a little less than $1000, and came with the LR Baggs Anthem pickup system, and an absolutely Great hardshell case. I love it. I’d compare it to a Taylor or Martin costing twice as much.
Great video... lots of fun and I really enjoyed "6000 Miles" and the way you compared the two. I agree with your comments but since you asked for my 2 cents/pence here it is... I don't have your Martin although I wish I did I do have a Taylor 322e ($2,200) vs an Orangewood Sage ($650). Not nearly the same body and style setup as your video but its what I have, nor am I anywhere as good as you are. I picked up the Orangewood in 2019 as my first real guitar and have loved it ever since, putting as many hours on it as my schedule allows. The Taylor is new this year and the first time paying what I thought was an insane amount of money. They sound very different as you said but both are a joy to play. The major difference I have notice is in the fit and finish. The Taylor is just a much better built instrument with the frets feeling almost soft and how the pieces looking like they are melted together. But as you say its very nice to have a guitar I can travel through the airport with without as much worry although I have invested quite a bit of heart into the Orangewood. I don't expect the Orangewood will hold up over the decades like the Taylor should but it will outlast me.
Yeah...the Orangewood brand produces brilliant bargain guitars. I have two and enjoy both. Also have a Martin D-35 which is a honor to both play and own. The tones between these brands are different for sure but playability is very similar! Thanks for the discount off the lesson...I've already purchased! Mahalo from Hawaii Mary!!
Ironically, the Martin exhibits the orange wood beautifully. The sound is night and day ‘better’ with ideal balance of the harmonies you are playing. I listened almost to the end without looking. I am a Martin regular so the signature sound is immediately recognizable. A bit less present than an equivalent Taylor, and that seems to be a good thing.
Brilliant video with subtle but informative cues to what you were doing. Also, the new song is really good…very nice retelling of a very familiar story. Thanks!
Found a Laurel Canyon l-100 leaning on a dumpster. Took 4-5 hrs to remove all the graphics that had been added with sharpie and wet pen. This guitar is totally under rated. Martin- Taylor esquire. I thought that I wanted a Taylor. Try Laurel Canyon l-100. Full bindings spruce top, mahogany sides and back, compensated bridge, good tuners, Real deal. Best dumpster find ever.
Its difficult to catch all of the intangibles in a 13 min video...however the Martin did obviously sound fuller/richer/warmer. Also your vocals were being picked up a tiny bit in the Martin pickup (i believe) which gave another color. For those who can afford it, the Martin (or similar) would be the choice. However the absolute beauty of this video was showing that a very attainable, quality instrument performs exceedingly well and sounds "comparable" in playing and recording. Beautifully done video and love the new song!!
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Did you just assume that guitars gender, Mary? For shame. 😂 $225 Seems cheap for that tbf.. But i thought it might be a semi.
she singing about the chad that broke her heart lol
@@r-ratedstudios3847 I thought Mary was into other females.
@@Put-in-666 Thought so too, not important of course (well, to her im sure it is) but she is gorgeous and really talented, alas it is stacy not chad this time. 😔
I appreciate the honesty coming from a singer-songwriter who was not being sponsored, but who realistically has different expectations of those two guitars. They sound DIFFERENT. That's super helpful. I can see many people being encouraged to either really appreciate what they own, or are not intimidated to write and record because their guitar isnt a $3500.00 model. I love these " inside the life of a musician" type videos. You're talking to two different audiences at once and both are incredibly meaningful and helpful.
I've lost enough hearing to notice much difference at all, maybe a more resolute bottom end on the Martin but the same sound still. Diminished hearing could be a real money saver.
As soon as Mary started singing, I forgot that there were 2 different guitars.
Wait!!! There’s a guitars?
Yes. Some of us need a better guitar to hide behind if we are going to use our voice.
Haha exactly. I just forgot she was comparing guitars doing a review. Best
@@benjipathfinder7962Wait!!! Mary was singing?!
Brilliant playing, singing, songwriting, story telling, and editing. Seems there’s no limit to what you do well.
Loved your song. Loved your honest comparison.
I've been playing guitar "unprofessionally" for 64 years. I veered into medicine instead of music for a profession.
At 74 I'm retiring from medicine and veering back into music - primarily guitar.
I've purchased high end and inexpensive guitars over the years. I still play both.
I learned to play on a chunk of wood with strings but my second guitar let me "feel" the music reverbrating through the guitars body into my body. That emotional link inspired me to continue.
I doubt you could have written your marvelous new song on the orangewood ( You'll tell me if you think I'm wrong) but I absolutely see it's terrific value as a beginner guitar and later as a travel ax.
Like people, every guitar has it's own personality. Search for one(s) that compliment yours.
Welcome back, Mate!
“Six Thousand Miles” is brilliant. I kind of heard those two guitars as complimentary, not competitive, in that tune, a woody thump in the Orangewood and a kind of crystalline yet smokey bourbon refinement from the Martin. Fantastic!
Bought a lefty Orangewood about a year ago. About 200 USD. Solid, no frills, sounds darn good.
that's what Seagull used to be known for . . . maybe time I tried an Orangewood, because there aren't many lefties and I thought it actually sounded better in this vid
Nothing wrong with the Orangewood, especially for that affordable price! I have owned my OM-28V since new in 2002. I can hear the differences. The Martin has a fuller sound with warmth and deeper lows. I was expecting the Orangewood to have the warmth because of the mahogany, but I was wrong. It's a good comparison, due to similar body style and size. Great video!
I am totally impressed with "6000 miles" The Martin definitely has a brighter sound But, the cheaper one sounds good for the money. Thanks for the demonstration, Mary.
The Orangewood sounds really good, the Martin sounds better. But not $3500 worth better! If I was comparing these looking to buy one or the other, the Orangewood wins hands down! I had a similar experience comparing a Washburn acoustic to a Taylor. I ended up buying the Washburn. Actually TWO Washburn guitars, a 6 string and a 12 string, for less than the price of one Taylor 6 string. That was around 20 years ago and I still own and play both of the Washburn guitars!
Nothing wrong with inexpensive guitars… Seagull models are wildly popular.
I wouldn’t necessarily expect them to have the same life span or take the same intense use as a Taylor, Gibson, Collings, Santa Cruz… But you never know.
Exactly, the Martin sounds a bit better (subjective); it does not sound $3k better. I'd definitely buy the Orangewood and think I got good value in the purchase.
I agree. I think the Orangewood sounds great for a guitar that costs a little over $200. It's agreed the Martin sounds better, but like you said is it $3500 better?
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when you go expensive value is out the door, spend tons more for better. like a honda 25k or porsche 125k. typically high end has a reason folks are willing to spend big money. at a certain point it takes tons more money for minor improvement. like making a really fast car even faster
You’re getting more than just better sound when It comes to a martin though. Not saying that orange-wood guitars are bad but I’ve played both and id pick a Martin any day.
Lovely song. Much appreciated. For me, the Martin is brighter, livelier. It competes with your voice for attention. The Orangewood has a more blended, harmonious, 'melted into the background' sound. If I had a superb voice, I would probably prefer the cheaper guitar. If I was a less serious singer and the focus was on my guitar work, then the Martin would be for choice.
Cool video, Mary! I had seen the vid in 2019 too and it's nice to revisit the Orangewood and compare it to your Martin. I love OM models and the warm cosy sound of Mahogany 🤗. Your Martin is clearly more resonant and fuller sounding, but I listen with pleasure to you playing the Orangewood, too 😊👍.
Have a nice rest of your day 😘
Using a mahogany top on a more cheaply made guitar is honestly a bit of a genius move. The natural compression of the hardwood balances a sound that could otherwise be warped by cut corners in other places,- not saying that is the case here, but the results speak for themselves. I'm impressed, and it looks gorgeous.
I bought an orangewood Mahogany in may of 2022 based on your recommendation. It arrived with no problems and with good intonation. The factory strings did tarnish a little after 1 year. But I think that is normal for all strings with my hands. The finish on my guitar is not one hundred percent perfect, There are some imperfections in the matte Clear coat where the neck meets the body. But I do not mind at all for the price. The guitar still looks stunning to me. And the finish has held up very well. I am most impressed with the tuners. I was worried about them, but they still hold a tune better than any other acoustic that I have had. I have never had an expensive acoustic guitar. I have had some japanese made acoustic electrics, but this is my first all acoustic. I am in my 30s and have play guitar since I was 11. And I can recommend the orange wood oliver mahogany. I have been extremely impressed with it. Especially for its price. The case it comes with, it's nice also.
I used your code. Mary's friends ten I don't know if it's still active but it worked for me in 2022.
Beautifully made video Mary thank you. First off, great comparison, rhe little orangewood sounded fantastic as did the Martin as expected. Secondly really nice song thanks 😊
Amazing timing in your playing Mary, very professional level video, song and comparison. You keep getting better in leaps and bounds, thanks for all you do 😻
I bought the Orangewood Mahogany because that's what you're using in the beginning guitar class I purchased from you. I love the guitar and your class! Thanks Mary!
Your videos are so well made Mary! The editing, the sound and the video quality are all top notch. Not to mention your amazing guitar skills. Cannot wait to hear the new album. Great work Mary 👏
Very enjoyable comparison, listening on my ear buds, the Martin was fuller on both the low and top end and just had more presence. 15x better? No. But to a certain extent, you get what you pay for.
Started 1st March 2023 buying a fairly cheap, Takemine GN20 NS, without any electronics. Around $230 USD. It was somewhat dull, but after changing the nut and saddle from plastic to bone, the guitar certainly came to life. Also a proper setup was needed. This year I got myself a Taylor Guitar (Baby BT1e). Yes, I do clearly hear the difference. --- As also have been working with wood, I also see the difference in the quality of wood and especially in the finish/details. At the shop I also tried some of the more expensive Taylor and yes, there is difference between cheaper and more expensive guitars. -------- As a beginner songwriter myself, I really luv your music!!!! It's really awesome! Wish you the very best on your journey in life! Cheers ❤🙏
To my ears the Martin sounds "more alive". It has a broader frequency range and it sound like the "stereo image" is wider and more open. Love the playing!
Love the song “6000 miles”. I’ve been playing Martin Acoustics as my primary for 50 + years so I never think anything sounds like a Martin. I am always looking for a lower end guitar as my secondary. Definitely will try out the “Orangewoods” if I can.
The Martin sounds so good and had a noticeably warmer "thump" when you hit the bridge. I really enjoyed the Orangewood, nice guitar at a very reasonable price. Playing was very enjoyable and top notch as always.
This is brilliant. Context is everything. I actually think the Orangewood probably works a little better in a singer-songwriter context since it has much fewer overtones.
I got my used Takamine guitar @ our local pawn shop.. she was 4yrs old from manufacture & was $170 with new strings on! lesson: hit the pawn shops 1st before going new!
50 years ago I wanted a Martin but the cost was just too high for a 22 year old at the time. The Martin at the time was around $800.
I tried an Ovation which had a beautiful full, Rich sound. It was also almost $400 less. I bought the Ovation and still have it and it still sounds great. However I often wish I could've afforded that beautiful Martin. The Martin would have aged gracefully as would have the sound. Of course the Martin would now be worth a pretty penny.
I don't regret buying the Ovation but I wish like hell that I could've found the money for the Martin.
Thanks for the video Mary. I love the comparison of the two guitars and your final thoughts on the two.
The biggest difference I have noted over the years are the better guitars are usually more consistent in quality and sound whereas with cheaper ones, two seemingly identical guitars of the same brand and model hanging on a rack side by side can be quite different, one surprisingly good for the price and the one next to it pretty ordinary. The occasional guitar just through happenstance gets everything right and stands out, I recall playing a $700 Washburn steel string in a guitar shop back in the 70's (probably a $2500 guitar these days) that was just stunning and I regret not buying it as no Washburn I have come across since since was near as good.
this is so true!
I was able to play two Martin D-28 Authentic 1937 guitars, the same model year in two local shops (identical climate conditions) within the same month (both instruments were new). One had a very large sound, and the other seemed much more muted. This is as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as I could get. Even premium guitars vary in sound within the same model.
I started on a borrowed Ibanez, then bought a $300 Yamaha, and in four years it hasn't disappointed me one bit. A few of the components are made of "lesser" materials, but I don't think it matters at all, especially at my level of playing.
My first electric was an entry-level Kramer, but the tuners were crap and the fret wires overhung the fretboard and cut my fingers. I picked up a used Schecter for $450 and it was like upgrading from a motorbike to a limousine. It's so smooth and tunes so easily, it's just a joy to hold in my hands.
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Nice guitars, great playing ! Both guitars projected your tone well, and the mic is capturing it great.
Wow Mary! Just freakin' WOW! I've seen every video your name is on and that was the best performance(s), of the best song, you've ever shared. It's brilliant. This song will be a huge hit. I'd love to hear these two recordings complete and can't wait to hear everything else you do with it. 6000 Miles is my new favorite song.
you put orangewood on my radar and I eventually got an Oliver mahogany junior and a Brooklyn junior live (since discontinued). I LOVE the Oliver mahogany junior. just a perfect cuddle guitar. I can play so fast on it. the Brooklyn junior live is a beauty -- I hope they offer another junior like that some day. I didn't think orangewood would live up to the hype but it did. not that I'd turn down a Martin :)
Thank you, that's very interesting. I've been thinking about getting my first acoustic to go with the electrics that I already have. This adds a lot of useful information for me. One thing to note about the difference between a company like Martin that makes everything in-house and a company that outsources some of the manufacture is the potential differences in quality control. Note that this has nothing to do with where the article is made (there are skilled luthiers and woodworkers the world over). Different organizations will necessarily have differences in processes, and there is a greater chance there can be a wider range in the quality of manufacture when a guitar or it's parts are made in multiple location and shipped longer distances. No two guitars are ever going to be identical, of course, and no company makes a perfect guitar every time. What I like about Orangewood is that they are careful to do their own setup and final check before the guitar goes out the door. I think this mitigates potential problems over other companies that rely more on outside organizations to do more of the setup. Of course, not matter what the guitar, the final setup should be done to the player's needs, whether by the player or a qualified luthier.
I will definitely add Orangewood to my options for searching for my next instrument.
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I wonder how many players would choose the Martin over the Orangewood had they not seen which guitar you were playing.
Almost 30 years in the studio business I heard several brands. Many less expensive acoustics sounded very good.
Yes, and some needed work. As you stated, diminishing returns
Not to sound mundane but as good videos are your norm, nice video. There is a comprehensive analysis of the Orangewood guitar done by DriftwoodGuitars. He has a UA-cam channel. Driftwood Guitar is a luthier. When reviewing the guitars he actually cuts the guitar in half; then, provides detailed analysis of the type of bracing, woods used for bracing, tonal affect of woods used, thickness of sound board, thickness of clear coat or paint used and on and on. Understanding the process used to make a guitar is helpful. I happen upon the channel while having my morning coffee. Cheers
I own 7 guitars including Martin, Taylor, Yamaha, Zagar, Gibson and even a Keith Urban $200 accoustic special. They are all unique and the Martin and Taylor are my favorites. When I bought the Keith Urban, I put good strings on it and made some minor adjustments. Decided one night to ask my friends I wanted to do an experiment. So, I played 2 minutes of the same song on all 7 and then asked them to give a score of 1 for a guitar they thought sounded amazing, a 2 for one that sounded good, and a 3 for a guitar that was just okay. 3 of my 4 buddies ranked the Urban as a 1 along with the Martin and Taylor. Gibson and Zagar scored a 2 and the rest were a 3. All of the guitars were pleasing, but they thought the Urban was a cut above. Just shows that even a cheap guitar properly setup can be pleasing to the ear in the right hands.
Great song, performance, and comparative break down! Much respect! 👏👏👏
I've never plucked a guitar string, but I do build speakers as a hobby. I absolutely thought the dark (Orangwood?) one was the expensive one. It is brighter and doesn't have the mid-bass resonance of the expensive one giving the lower priced guitar a flatter sounding response. I also like the dark color.
You picked up on something which is that “bright” sounds are increasingly popular among acoustic players, especially new players. Taylor capitalizes on this and they double down on their signature sound, which is bright.
But one thing to know is that instruments are the opposite of speakers: a guitar with a flat non-resonant response is terribly uninspiring. It’s the subtle resonances and color that good instruments produce that generates an emotional connection. I preferred the Martin for the exact observation you made.
Really well made and interesting video. I have a Cole Clark that I absolutely love. Recently, in order to have a guitar when I am in the UK, I purchased a Tanglewood Crossroads. Totally different price points but I thoroughly enjoyed almost three weeks exclusively playing the Tanglewood and managed to write a couple of songs on it. Will record them next time in the UK.
I love that we now have a number of "budget-friendly" instruments that can sound, feel and play remarkably well, especially compared to the 1960's and 1970's :D It's still a good idea to get hands-on and try a number of examples of brands, models, and even within same models, due to potentially less quality control with budget instruments and/or changes that occur between manufacture site and final destination.
I loved watching/hearing an interview with Eric Bibb (an amazing singer/songwriter and acoustic guitar player for those unfamiliar) He had a collection of wonderful instruments, but wanted a different SOUND for a particular song. He found a music/guitar store that had a number of the exact same model approx. "parlor size" guitars that were of the type he wanted. (He WANTED that dry, thumpy woody sound without overtones or much systain) He tried a number of them before finding ONE that didn't have fret issues or other problems, but the one he eventually found was just what he wanted for recording that particular song. The guitar was something like $150 to $180 US price at the time. If the tool matches the job, that's what matters! :D Another "good excuse" for owning more than one guitar! :D
I listened to this with good-quality over-the-ear headphones. What I hear out of the Martin is more sustain and more depth/resonance in the lower registers (strings 4-6). It's not possible to hear a difference in the amount of hand strength needed to play clear notes, but I appreciate your mentioning it at the end of the video.
Nice Video! As mentioned, it's really all about what your "performance" consists of. Solo guitar performing is quite different than accompanying vocals/other instruments. Over many years of live performing I have found that with the acoustic guitar amped, the only thing that really matters is that the guitar is comfortable to play! If amplified, the sound of any guitar can be adjusted to taste whether using a pickup or a mic. "More comfortable to play" also includes how YOU mentally feel with it when standing in front of an audience. That could be affected by the appearance of the guitar - think of the difference between a Martin D18 and a cherry burst Gibson Hummingbird. Each makes a considerably different visual impression which affects your own feeling of using the guitar.
In reality, NOBODY in the audience is ever going to say or think, "I really liked your song but it would have been much better if you played a Martin instead of that Orangewood"! OTOH, nobody is going to walk up to you after a song/performance, and say, "That's a really nice 'Orangewood' guitar!"
I got a £400 Breedlove electro acoustic in 2013. Still use her today. Feels and sounds great. Had comments from sound guys at gigs I’ve played at how warm it sounds through the PA.
I think a big factor in the price difference is how it feels. My last acoustic guitar was a Mexican Martin and it was 100% serviceable and a solid workhorse. But eventually, the small things started to wear me down: the fretboard, the shape, the finish (satin that began to shine and get sticky), and it seemed to become more and more lifeless as it aged vs my other acoustic becoming more alive.
Exactly - they might sound similar but one is built to last and with more durable quality. This is so often overlooked
Sounds great with the context you've put the 2 guitars. I might get a Martin in the future. Even tho the cheap one sounds good, expensive guitars normally are more comfortable to play and allow your fingers to play for more time, and since I play for 2hours or more, most of the time, my fingers will thank me 😂. BTW that new song... love it, a lot.
Thank you Mary. Both for the comparison/contrast between the guitars with your honest thoughts and more so for the song.
I own Taylors, Martins, Breedlove, and Gibson Acoustics. The guitar that sits on a stand next to my desk is my Orangewood Oliver M with Elixir .013-.053. It's my everyday guitar that I can take anywhere. I love my Orangewood! Thanks for this awesome video Mary. Fyi, it was your 1st video that sold me on the Oliver M. Thanks again!
Actually preferred the sound of the orangewood, sounded a bit clearer to me, great comparison, would be interesting to have an electric comparison.
I started out with an torrified top acoustic, then I picked up a baritone and finally I got a 12 string. All Orangewoods. They are all nice guitars. I also have a couple Martins, a Zager parlor and a Gretch resonator. I pondered the Oliver before I got the Zager. I may still get an Oliver. I have my 6 strings set in different tunings.
Plus I signed up for your finger style class.
Can you elaborate on your Orangewoood 12 string? I am dying for a 12 string. I had a mid 50s Hofner, made in Germany, and even called the German headquarters with the serial number they could only say it was a mid 50s. They were bought out by Selmer, the band instruments company and they were of lesser quality. If you have any specs etc, I would appreciate it! I have not sang a song since my nephew brought it back with a collapsed bridge and bracing. I found that he tried to tune it to G instead of using a capo.
Mary let me start out by saying I'm a long time musician and with eyes shut just listening there is a night and day difference. The Martin is so soft and warm with a sound that feels like a warm fuzzy blanket that envelopes the whole room The Orangewood gives a warm comparison and not bad for the price point , but the Martin run's away in the studio setting .
Well, done! Most reviews/demos are only new products. My Morgan sounded pretty lack luster out of the box. But after a couple months, it really bloomed and sounds great! Comparing the Martin and Orangewood within context was great! There is a need for players to have both "precious" and not as "precious" instruments. There's no need for snobbery and much need for practicality. Again, well done, Mary!
I have always wanted a Martin guitar. I recently bought a Martin 000-16 Streetmaster. I didn't love it, and was trying to force myself to like it because it said, "Martin", on the headstock. I returned it, and purchased a Recording King RO-328. A 000 sized guitar, just like the Martin. As soon as I strummed it, I loved it. That was the reaction I should have had from the Martin, but didn't. The Recording King, is all solid wood, made in China, but that is the one I wanted to keep. It's not just the country of origin that is the deciding factor, it's the standard of quality the company ordering the guitars will accept that makes a guitar great or not.
I still want a Martin though, and now an Orangewood too.
Thanks for the video and for confirming my decision.
Sub $1000 acoustic guitars may not have dramatically different tonal qualities from more expensive guitars, but with a lot of brands, you'll eventually run into quality issues like binding defects, cheap tuners, looser tolerances with the fit of the neck to the body, cheaper finishes, and bracing issues. You're also going to get a lower grade of wood, which is perhaps the most consistent cost reduction you'll see.
I couldn’t agree more with your assessment. I’m comparing the OW Brooklyn live compared to my Taylor 224 LXE Koa. My Taylor is still on top but the OW is a great addition to my collection. Thanks!
Thank you for your comparison of expensive vs inexpensive guitars. Here's my take on my Orangewood:
I'll start by mentioning that I am a retired guitar repairman in the eastern United States. I was authorized by C. F. Martin and other respected brands to do warranty service on their guitars. I had never heard of Orangewood until I watched this video a few months ago. I decided to give Orangewood a try. I bought a factory-second, non-electrified, mahogany-topped Ava model. The only "secondness" I can find about it is that it came without the high E string, and the nut grooves could stand to be a hair lower, two problems easily rectified. Skipping all the nuances of a full-fledged review, I'll skip directly to my conclusion: My Orangewood Ava guitar is the most bang-for-the-buck acoustic guitar I have ever seen. Period. And thanks to you, I own one.
I understand well enough where you're coming from Mary. Over the years, I've had several cars, and one in particular was like a part of me. And it;s the same with a certain couple of my brushes too. (I'm an artist). Although they've all done the same job, it's just a little something I can't put my finger on that makes them stand out.
Mary, you are SO GOOD! :) Through headphones, the Martin is definitely fuller, richer and so much more resonant... felt like it was projecting gently shimmering "audio snowflakes" that floated around the width of my sonic spectrum. The Orangewood had a narrower, thinner sound by comparison. On its own, it would be more than serviceable in any situation, but if you want that extra special sonic sauce (and have a pocket deep enough), it's clearly the Martin. Thanks for assembling this video!
Beautiful. The differences are subtle, maybe even indiscernible to non-player. Good points about having a decent player that is "not so precious" as your Martin. Still playing my D28 after 50 years.
The build quality of the Orangewood is amazingly good for a guitar of that price.
I've done set-ups for cheap guitars a few times and, as long as the basic build of the guitar is good, you can generally absolutely transform the playability just by making relatively simple changes such as adjusting the truss rod, upgrading cheap components etc.
You can end up with a quality guitar that sounds and plays like it would have been way more expensive than it actually was.
I was here for the comparison but stayed for the playing, great video Mary!
Orangewood might be my next acoustic guitar. Having seen the collector and high-end market craziness, I've settled on a philosophy to get the most guitar for the least money. If I ever do get a Martin, it will probably be a D-15 Streetmaster. Your playing and singing is incredibly consistent to be able to swap back and forth the way you did in the demo. Great review.
That orangewood still sounds pretty good, especially for the price.
It may sound strange, but I liked the shots with the Orangewood better. The Martin sounds great and is second to none, but I had the feeling that it was competing with your voice instead of accompanying it. A mix with the Martin doing the instrumental sections and the Orangewood the vocal parts would be ideal, in my opinion. You're a great artist and I am a big fan. Cheers!
The Martin sounds a lot crisper to me. The Orangewood sounds really good too, just a bit muffled in comparison. And of course the Orangewood is a lot closer to my price range ...
Now I have a Takamine Martin copy from the early eighties that I love.
Loved everything about this video... except that I can't get an Orangewood here in AU! I thought I'd mention - on the off-chance you've not heard about it - 'Nashville Tuning', where you string one of your guitars (usually the less expensive one) with the 'high' set of a 12 string. Because you will tend to play them in unison (because you're good), recorded and panned in stereo, it can give an effect that's greater than the sum of its parts, sounding like a single instrument, but also not. Anyway, worth a try, if you've never done it... I thought *everyone* knew this old (Nashville) trick, but have been surprised to find even many younger pros have never heard/tried it. Thanks for everything you do, break-a-leg 😎
Both sound great imo. I'd use the Martin to record and the Orangewood to take with me everywhere: if something happens I can easily replace the Orangewood but not the Martin, I also prefer the Martins sound for recording, but enjoy the darkness of the Orangewood for a live setting. Owning the two I'd use both differently.
I have a similar philosophy with cameras and guitars. That is, it is much more important who is using the machine than the quality of the machine. That said, I have a Martin for a reason, the fullness and warmth is just unmatched.
They both sound good. The Martin just has more of a damp sound to it compared to the Orange Wood. Based on this comparison I would definitely prefer the Orange Wood for sound and price.
I had an Orangewood Mason Live that I purchased as a backup instrument. I played the Orangewood on many gigs and really appreciated the playability and feel. I recently sold it to a friend as a step-up guitar for her and she is enjoying it a lot. Thanks for both of your Orangewood reviews! My primary guitar is a Takamine G series, and I now have a Furch Yellow that is truly amazing. Thank you for ALL of the videos! From the mountains of Western North Carolina, USA.
Oh My, you've got me shopping Guitars and Guitar tones again. Your comparison, I like them both. The Orangewood thru your Mic picks up the low Bass tone likely not heard so much in studio. The D28, always sounds well balanced, but a Price only an accomplished Musician can afford. Personally, I tend to look for close sounding Guitar alternatives vs the 'High Dollar' Acoustics because due to my luck, my Guitars are likely to get stolen or stepped on by my un-appreciative audience. it's a Fun Journey, shopping for a new Guitar, (especially comparing Acoustic Guitars in the stores, closed in glass, control booth's and swapping out the Guitars with my favorite own song creations). The drawback is , it's quite time consuming no doubt and finding someone to suffer through the experience with me is a miracle. Love your Voice and your Music, Big Luck going forward. And Folks, Support these Artists, Creativity, it really is Hard but enjoyable Work!
One for playing at the bar.
One for playing where it won't have beer spilled on it!
Thanks Mary
Mary, I really liked this video, one of the best comparison videos I've seen.The Martin definitely had a fuller sound, but the Orangewood sounded great for a $279 guitar. The length of play is so important, but not mentioned in any other videos I've seen comparing guitars. Great job as always.
I have an $1800 Breedlove and a $250 orangewood and love them both! You cannot go wrong with an orangewood especially for the price
This is a great video, I'm 59 y.o. keyboard player who picked up guitar about 4 years ago and I have an Orangewood and absolutely LOVE it. The Mahogany Rey was less than $200 and my guitar player friends also dig it.
Thanks for your content as always.
loveandpeace.
Mary, thank you for posting this. My grandson is 12 years old and he's just learning to play guitar. He has an electric guitar but I thought it would be nice to get him an acoustic as well. I had him watch this video and even listen to it with headphones on to see if he could tell the difference between the guitars. It was really close. Then, as a surprise, I bought the Orangewood Junior guitar for him, and he was thrilled to death. When he opened the box, he thought I had got him a new guitar case and he was super excited. Then he unzipped it and realized there was a guitar inside and he was like WHAT!?! that little moment would've never happened without this video. So thank you. Also ... I love that song 6000 miles. What kind of mic do you use to record your guitar when you're playing?
I play electric bass guitar. In my beginnings I bought my first fivestring bass which was a cheap instrument made in China. Just two years ago I bought an even cheaper one also from China, after having played an expensive piece of European craftsmanship for over 15 years. I was surprised to learn that apparently many of these Chinese instruments nowadays are manufactured a lot bette than some years ago. Of course, they can't fully compete, but not all folks out there can afford such an expensive instrument. So in the end I think this is an overall positive development since it allows many people to play decent instruments who wouldn't have been able to buy any playable instrument something like 15 years ago.
I own 2 Orangewood guitars. An Oliver Jr Live ($135 - my favorite practice/couch guitar of the moment) and a Brooklyn Mahogany Live ($475 USD) which I have been gigging with for a few weeks. I really like the quality and setup for the price of the Ornagewood guitars. My most expensive guitar is a 2002 Martin DM (all mahogany dreadnaught) with Baggs Studio Anthem pickup system and custom made bone nut & saddle. About $1700 USD all in. I also regularly gig with a 1982 Yamaha SJ-180 with Baggs M80 soundhole pickup ( approx $350 USD). Lastly I gig with a Lava ME 3 carbon fiber guitar with built -in effects electronics ($1200 USD). I have played a few very costly guitars, both custom made and from the big 3 (Martin, Gibson, Taylor), as well as Guild, Larivee, Collins and others. While I have envied some of the owners of those expensive guitars I have had the pleasure of playing, I could never see myself spending that much money for a single instrument. Honestly, first and foremost I have never, and still don't, have the income to afford such a luxury. However, more importantly I haven't had any one of the really expensive guitars blow me away enough (sound, feel, or looks) to even think about it. For me the feel is first, then the sound (from my playing postion rather than out front because I want to be inspired in the moment of playing), and lastly the looks. I believe much of the sound comes from me (my finger style, attack, improvistation style, chord voicings, etc) , and then my personal specific setup (action, strings, nut/saddle/bridge pin/plectrum materials). I have found many a less expensive guitar, applied myself and my setup, and have had many an envious comment made to me, including purchase offers. This is not to say that spending the money, if you have it, on a very expensive guitar wouldl never be fulfilling or have some payoff to me as a song writer and performer. I just have not had one in my hands that personally convinced me yet. I am envious of your OM though! Josh Turner's too.
Great side-by-side comparison. I thought the Martin sounded better over all but the Orangewood wasn't bad - especially for the price. I got an Orangewood Rey (spruce top) about 3 years ago to take camping and busking. It only cost $129 at the time. There was no way in hell I was going take my other guitars camping. The Rey doesn't sound as good as the Oliver you played. I've sat down and played the Rey side-by-side with my Taylor 814ce and there is a very pronounced difference. They Rey is a bit dull sounding missing the mid-range frequencies and although the setup is good it is tiring to play after a few hours. The Taylor plays like butter and has a rich tone similar to the Martin you played. In this case, you get what you pay for.
One thing to note is Orangewood's good customer service. My first Rey came damaged in shipping. Orangewood paid for the guitar to be shipped back and immediately sent me a replacement.
Enjoy your video very much, thank you.. I've got to say the quality of the song overshadowed the guitar comparison. Great stuff 👍
I have two acoustic guitars ... a £99 Eastcoast, and a £1800 Taylor. There's obviously a difference, but the playability of the Eastcoast when setup decently is impressive. It's also the guitar I take when going camping or LARPing!
Marvelous playing. A really nice objective comparison and advice on the guitars. Love how your mastery of the separate styles of voice enhances your songs. Great stuff.
Firstly, I need to apologize for failing to keep up with your videos; I somehow missed this one and a few others, so I'm late to the comments here. I absolutely agree with your assessment of the Martin being warmer, but I'm not sure I could have told the difference during your song had I not been listening on headphones. As someone starting to learn to play, it's good to know that there is an affordably priced high quality option out there. Thank you for this side-by-side comparison!!!
The difference between the Martin and the Orangewood is that the former is a lifetime friend, something that will grown and live with you, something you come home to. The Orangewood is an instrument to play, something that requires more frequent tuning, something that is a great travel guitar - satisfying to play and sounding surprisingly good - but it does not feel the same as your own guitar - like borrowing someone else's good guitar... fit for purpose certainly, but not the same. My own Martin is fifteen years old and fifteen years my friend and companion. I am not a very fluent player, but we understand one another... reminds me of the Guild I learned on in the 1960s. I am full of admiration for the Orangewood - and certainly having a really good guitar for a budget price is a good thing... not like the crap Costco occasionally sells.
Always amazing
Thank you so much for sharing ❤️ 😊
Your song is great! Your guitar technique is truly your own and as a player for over 60 years is quite impressive! Both guitars sound so good it is obviously the artist that makes it so. Wonderful voice, as well.
If bought my Morgan 3 years ago after Mary Spender's review....love it....only acoustic I need for how often I play vs electric. Have had 2 mid range Martins...nice....but the OW is a great buy for a beginner/intermediate who wants a well set up guitar that sounds very good. That Martin sounds amazing and I"m sure it also 'feels' amazing to the player...so there is the 'feel' of a guitar and even a boutique amp (as I've recently learned) that comes with lofty price tags. A Yamaha piano will sound great....a Steinway, heavenly.
What a great experiment. It would be interesting to hear them layered. The song is absolutely amazing!! Well Done!!!!
I've been thinking about expensive/cheap guitars, really enjoyed your video. That being said, I was moved by your song and performance enough I'll have to play it again and try to pay attention to the sound of the guitars. And I'm looking forward to it!
I own a 2022 Orangewood Sage Torrefied Spruce Live guitar. It cost me a little less than $1000, and came with the LR Baggs Anthem pickup system, and an absolutely Great hardshell case. I love it. I’d compare it to a Taylor or Martin costing twice as much.
Great video... lots of fun and I really enjoyed "6000 Miles" and the way you compared the two. I agree with your comments but since you asked for my 2 cents/pence here it is... I don't have your Martin although I wish I did I do have a Taylor 322e ($2,200) vs an Orangewood Sage ($650). Not nearly the same body and style setup as your video but its what I have, nor am I anywhere as good as you are. I picked up the Orangewood in 2019 as my first real guitar and have loved it ever since, putting as many hours on it as my schedule allows. The Taylor is new this year and the first time paying what I thought was an insane amount of money. They sound very different as you said but both are a joy to play. The major difference I have notice is in the fit and finish. The Taylor is just a much better built instrument with the frets feeling almost soft and how the pieces looking like they are melted together. But as you say its very nice to have a guitar I can travel through the airport with without as much worry although I have invested quite a bit of heart into the Orangewood. I don't expect the Orangewood will hold up over the decades like the Taylor should but it will outlast me.
"It's not the arrows, it's the archer."
Yeah...the Orangewood brand produces brilliant bargain guitars. I have two and enjoy both. Also have a Martin D-35 which is a honor to both play and own. The tones between these brands are different for sure but playability is very similar! Thanks for the discount off the lesson...I've already purchased! Mahalo from Hawaii Mary!!
Ironically, the Martin exhibits the orange wood beautifully. The sound is night and day ‘better’ with ideal balance of the harmonies you are playing. I listened almost to the end without looking. I am a Martin regular so the signature sound is immediately recognizable. A bit less present than an equivalent Taylor, and that seems to be a good thing.
Brilliant video with subtle but informative cues to what you were doing. Also, the new song is really good…very nice retelling of a very familiar story. Thanks!
Lovely song! Major difference is in the wood, rosewood is gong to sound warmer with more bass and wider spectrum than a mahogany
Found a Laurel Canyon l-100 leaning on a dumpster.
Took 4-5 hrs to remove all the graphics that had been added with sharpie and wet pen.
This guitar is totally under rated.
Martin- Taylor esquire.
I thought that I wanted a Taylor.
Try Laurel Canyon l-100. Full bindings spruce top, mahogany sides and back, compensated bridge, good tuners, Real deal.
Best dumpster find ever.
girl I’m gonna need you to release this song as a bonus track or something 😂 it’s so catchy and your voice is beautiful on it
I played a friend’s Martin and it sounded fuller, had a deeper bass sound and clearer high end.
6000 Miles is another excellent composition. In my mind I hear A String Quartet in the background or perhaps Percussion (Congas, Bongos, et seq.)
Its difficult to catch all of the intangibles in a 13 min video...however the Martin did obviously sound fuller/richer/warmer. Also your vocals were being picked up a tiny bit in the Martin pickup (i believe) which gave another color. For those who can afford it, the Martin (or similar) would be the choice. However the absolute beauty of this video was showing that a very attainable, quality instrument performs exceedingly well and sounds "comparable" in playing and recording. Beautifully done video and love the new song!!
Glad I stayed around long enough for your song- a gem!