Cool idea - I especially like the technique of building a saturation riser with the band while keeping the vocal constant. Generalizing that thought suggests a bunch of possibilities.
Great technique! I will sometimes reduce the volume of the lead vocal in proportion to the music push and let the buss processing sort out the fight - can sound massive and dynamic with not that much actual volume change...
This is basically how vocal riding (and other "rider") plugins work afaik. Not the saturation part, but the automating the RMS or LUFS-M of a track. At least that's how I usually do vocal riding. Record the output of a LUFS-M meter, invert it and automate the volume of the vocal track with it. I usually reduce the automation by around 50% though so it doesn't sound completely squashed.
@@chris_share It needs to have a parameter that follows the loudness values that the meter reads. If it has, you can simply bring up the automation envelope for that parameter in your DAW, set the automation mode to write and then play the track through until you've recorded the loudness for the whole track. I do this with Reaper's stock Loudness Meter, which can output peak, RMS, LUFS-I/M/S and LRA. I know that Waves VocalRider also can do this, but I don't know of any other off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others though.
@@SteelRecordsProducer Reaper's Loudness Meter plugin can output inverted automation values, but you can also invert an already recorded automation item by changing it's amplitude to negative values in the automation item properties window.
The drumming on this is awesome.
This is a cool desert rock tune, good track to showcase this idea
ive learned so much from you over the years, big thanks man, hope youre doing well bro
Cool idea - I especially like the technique of building a saturation riser with the band while keeping the vocal constant. Generalizing that thought suggests a bunch of possibilities.
Thank you Peter! And thanks so much for your support!
Always love your REAL engineering mindset of mixing not just trick tips, great channel! Love the song too very cool drum vibe!
Great technique! I will sometimes reduce the volume of the lead vocal in proportion to the music push and let the buss processing sort out the fight - can sound massive and dynamic with not that much actual volume change...
Nice ❤
Thanks!
This is basically how vocal riding (and other "rider") plugins work afaik. Not the saturation part, but the automating the RMS or LUFS-M of a track. At least that's how I usually do vocal riding. Record the output of a LUFS-M meter, invert it and automate the volume of the vocal track with it. I usually reduce the automation by around 50% though so it doesn't sound completely squashed.
Could you explain how you do that? How are you recording the output of the LUFS meter? Cheers!
@@chris_share It needs to have a parameter that follows the loudness values that the meter reads. If it has, you can simply bring up the automation envelope for that parameter in your DAW, set the automation mode to write and then play the track through until you've recorded the loudness for the whole track. I do this with Reaper's stock Loudness Meter, which can output peak, RMS, LUFS-I/M/S and LRA. I know that Waves VocalRider also can do this, but I don't know of any other off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others though.
@@nj1255how are you inverting the automation? This is wild!
@@SteelRecordsProducer Reaper's Loudness Meter plugin can output inverted automation values, but you can also invert an already recorded automation item by changing it's amplitude to negative values in the automation item properties window.
anyone know if ryan is ok w the storms n shit?