I loathe the fact that they made like Hyde doesn't exist but then threw Fez on the show, when Wilmer Valderrama is as awful as Danny Masterson and Ashton Kutcher.
@@Vergil666.Could some of it be the ages? I got the feeling the 90s show was trying for kid actors playing kids the age they are instead of 18+ actors playing younger. Allowing the adult actors to become friends easier.
@@mullaoslo and that's fault of their own, Netflix is entirely to blame for this "Greenlight anything, barely promote it and cancel it instantly because it isn't a top 10 show worldwide" mentality that has plagued the system.
@@johnpatz8395 I disagree. I like sinking my teeth into shows. I would rather less shows with more seasons than more shows with less seasons. There are some series that are short, and I appreciate them, but it’s not the same as having a show with multiple seasons. before streaming services, shows were allowed to have lower ratings, and they would still air because shit doesn’t happen overnight. Streaming services think that virality is the only way to find success and that his ruined television permanently.
@@johnpatz8395 why would I want to invest myself in a one season show that might have another season if I know that Netflix is just gonna cancel it. There are so many good series that have been abandoned because they didn’t make a great first impression for everyone. apparently every show has to be for everyone. Netflix has found success getting shows from other networks, they have successful shows like Stranger Things but they can’t find another Stranger Things. They don’t give their shows enough time to develop.
As expected, Red and Kitty were the best part, with Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp seamlessly slotted back into their roles, as if no time had passed at all. The new cast seemed to get more comfortable with their characters, and became less like a Disney Channel sitcom, with drugs and sex references.
I don’t know why you’re leaving Laura out. She also has Scientology connections. Even if she left Scientology, she was still part of it for a good amount of time.
@@Luvmarcy19 But she left, and if we don't give people a chance to change and be better, why would they? People deserve a chance to move on from bad decisions.
You know that Hollywood and Scientology are so interconnected that it’s alot of “we’ll blacklist you if you don’t join” type of thing? Leah Remini talked about how horrible it was and you don’t see her in much of anything anymore
I just couldn’t shake the vibe of it feeling like a Disney/Nick sitcom, not in a good way. Kitty and Red were a treat to see again. But it didn’t feel real to me. That 70’s show just feels evergreen despite being a period piece, while That 90’s felt dated to me already, while not feeling like the 90’s at all at the same time
That '90s Show should've solely focused on Kitty and Red and been like a take on The Honeymooners only its the inverse where its about a married couple entering there twilight years. It would've made it stand out more. That's a big reason why most requels don't work because they just wanna redo the original and don't wanna actually evolve and tell a new story.
Hyde being an integral part of That 70s’ Show as well makes it hard for me to watch that series anymore. Danny Masterson doing what he did created a feeling that something was missing in That 90s’ Show because his absence from it was clear as day, and it dulled any sort of positive emotion or nostalgia I have for That 70s’ Show because of how key of a role he played in the show.
Yeah, some of Hyde's jokes really hit differently for me now. The one that always comes to mind is s1e8 when he's showing Fez how to hide the Alice Cooper album in the Pat Boone cover...
@@nifferwolf same thing with Wilmer Valderrama, Fez being a creep was annoying on first watch, but after finding out about Wilmer actually being a creep... Unwatchable.
This show coming out the same time that Danny Masterson was being convicted was awful timing. If this had come some years earlier or even maybe in a few years from now I feel it would’ve done better
Even more when more than half of the original cast got tied with it, or got their own conflicting attention (Wilmer Valderrama being a bit of a predator).
@ yeah that’s really what made it difficult for me to watch that 90’s show as much as I wanted to like it the whole thing just has a creepy feeling to it now with hindsight
Okay so like over a decade ago for fun i wrote a script with my friends about a That 70s Show sequel set in the 90s. And in that i wrote that Hyde would get back with jackie over the years but then die or get jailed off screen so we never see his character again in the reboot...
Yeah, given the amount of time they spent in their basement growing up, it seems VERY unlikely Kitty and Red wouldn't be invited to Kelso and Jackie's wedding
Man this is how I find out it was cancelled. This sucks I really enjoyed the 2nd season parts, and was looking forward to the next season. I'm happy at least Nate and Nikki got back together before the end or I'd of been really pissed. The kids needed more story instead of Bob being sad for 2 eps .
I only watched a few eps. I hated that Jackie and Michael’s son and Donna and Eric’s daughter don’t already know each other. So the parents stopped being friends with each other soon after that 70s Show ended? That’s sad
Realistically, when people moved away from their smaller towns in past decades, people would lose contact all the time. There were probably many circumstances of breakups and get togethers that caused drifts in communications among the 4 of them. I bet in the early 80’s maybe Donna and Eric went to Kelso and Jackie’s wedding, but after that life might of caught up with both parties not expecting the kids to ever really meet. Now a days with social media it seems more common for us to return to our home towns more often and to text our old friends from high school, but back then it was probably a bitch. They probably both still love each other, but time just drifted them apart, just as adult hood always does.
netflix cancels most of their shows after 2 seasons to get out of the payrise for further seasons. regardless of how good or bad the show is, if it wasn't a mega success, it was probably getting culled anyway
Netflix is quick to cut bait and cash in on nostalgia, also the old cast being involved probably didn’t help. They really could have just used the same premise of the original show a group of friends in the 90’s they didn’t have to be related to the original at all. But nostalgia sells
@@davemac9563Although not surprising since Netflix is notorious for cancelling shows regardless. That 90’s show was just starting to kind of get better in my opinion. Was beginning to get used to the characters and the show for what it was
It's disgusting how a lot of cast members actually tried to defend Danny Masterson in court for his crimes, it doesn't matter how much they apologized, they still put thought into, wrote out, and sent in those letters to defend him
Worst thing is, I don't recall Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp giving any apology for sending a character letter for Danny Masterson. While Ashton and Mila got all the hate (deservingly so, they're not getting it for Diddy tho), Debra Jo Rupp and Kurtwood Smith got away with it.
Was waiting for this video! Loved all of the episodes although they had issues. Thought it ended to soon but besides that loved it from start to finish.
Season 2 got better, but not quite. Because Fez didn't return, Kelso and Jackie didn't show up once, and they traded Leo for two new guys. Also, they set up that Bob was moving close by and he only showed for one episode.
He was that absolute stereotype gay diva that’s rude to everyone but it’s okay because that’s just their personality as a gay person. Something that wouldn’t have held up in the 90’s or now
'Back in the 70s or something' Vee, do what you need to do, just know there's more of us than you might think who will miss your awesome content! And dude, you've knocked out of the park with this review!
Before this show came out, the social media posts teasing the show really really implied Leia and Gwen were a couple. I went in expecting this and was very surprised when they created a very different love triangle at the very end of season one and then went nowhere with it. I have to wonder if this was an idea they had for later episodes or just something the cast thought up.
I recently saw That '90s Show. Seeing these actresses, Debra Jo Rupp and Laura Prepon was funny. They both look like they've had some work done on their faces.
That '70s Show is my comfort show. I was hesitant but hopeful for That '90s Show. The first season was rough, but I noticed the improvement away. I didn't even know a season 2 even came out. I really hope they bring it back as I really wanted to see these characters grow.
I actually thought Red not knowing anything about what occurred in the lives of other characters between that 70s show and that 90s show was a good choice and fit his character perfectly. Of all the things you can point out they did wrong, they nailed Red Foreman 15 years later in my mind for both seasons.
I again understand the concerns of Hyde, but I feel they really could have used another offscreen plot like they did for Eric. Hell I was invested in Erics offscreen story. They really could have had Hyde be a pillar, and pride point of Red's disgruntled opions of the basment. While Kelso's made sense... Red could have truly had a 'Triumph' arc as well. I also know it took me a couple of attempts to get into S1. But after a few episodes... I could definitely feel an idea... it was just "Bro Bro Bro Bro Bro" felt more Dumbass then bromance.
Most series made for a streaming service, even great shows, will likely face the same problem, as these services seek to grow user numbers,but a third or fourth season of a show, that you’ve never seen, won’t get you to give them a shot, but a new series might. Of course on top of that is the short seasons, some as low as six episodes, that make every episode even more important. For example in Next Gen had a few silly or poorly written episodes, it was just 3 out of 20+ in that season, which is vastly different than if it was 3 of 8 or 10. Then finally the extended period between seasons drive even more potential fans away.
The show has some other issues. That '70s Show felt like cartoons and satire I saw of the '70s as a kid. I was born in '79, so I don't remember them personally, exactly. And yes, it had a sitcom coat of paint. But it had things that matched what I knew of the decade, and the older people watching with me felt was right. That '90s show does not. The friend group is weird for small town Midwest (which is where I grew up). It's too racially diverse (for modern audiences). When I was in high school there were 3 black kids in a school of 1,800 kids. There were 2 Asian kids (one was an elementary school friend of mine and the other was her sister). There were probably more Latinos than I realized, Maybe about 10 per grade for a grand total of 40. We did have another ethnic group in large numbers that's not represented here, but that was more my specific locale and wouldn't have made sense for the show. Maybe they should have have had more Native American rep. Anyway, everyone else was white. I don't have issue with the kids being accepting of each other. Most of us didn't really care, or we had people who ran around trying (and failing) to collect different races like Pokemon because they felt they had something to prove about being good people. I have issue with why they would want to be with each other in the first place. In that kind of structure, the much smaller racial divisions just hung out with people that they liked,. They didn't all hang out together because other than being minorities, they didn't really have anything in common as people. And so we're presented this racially diverse group of people who have nothing in common as individual people, and it just feels so off because there's no reason for them to want to hang out together. It feels immensely forced because of the diversity, whereas if it were somewhere like New York, it would seem normal. Then you have the gay kid. And again, it's not that they accept him. Heck, at this point in my life, half my friends are GLBT. It's that in that time period, being a teenager, well, someone needs to explain to the rest of the cast what gay is. They're missing this foundational bit of knowledge and it is not covered in sex ed. I'm not sure when Gen Z learned gay people exist. But I did not know until high school that this was an option. There was no "And Tango Makes Three" when I was a kid. And while I loved Hollywood in Mannequin, it took me a while to really pay attention to the fact that he was dating a man. Oh, and there was the Bird Cage. Let's see, that came out when I was a Junior in high school, 1996. Basically, it's not that I want them to hate on the gay kid. It's just that a normal reaction from a sheltered Midwestern kid of the '90s was confusion due to lack of knowledge. Which means there should be questions asked and conversations had if they're going to actually be friends. Speaking of friends, Leia has this weird thing where it feels like she has no friends during the school year in the area that she actually lives. Why is her only life living with her grandparents? Why does it feel like she gets boxed up and put on the shelf for the rest of the year? Where is her actual life? I suppose these issues all go back to poorly thought out characters. Part of the problem is basically both how the character fit together and how the characters fit in the setting (both time and place). Gen X was very individualistic, and what I mean by that is we had tight knit friend groups and we would accept all kinds of different behavior (depending on the friend group, not going to pretend there weren't haters out there), but we accepted you based on who you were as a person. So the writing of the relationships being so bad is particularly aggravating and makes the whole thing weird.
I really enjoyed it, like most adaptations and live actions of prior media (or sequels like In this case) I saw the show with no expectations and had a good time, speaking of time they didn't give it a chance to keep that found momentum, they canned it way too early just when they were finding themselves and doing their own thing, sad they left it on a cliffhanger too icarly all over again 🙄🙄
As a Packers fan, I feel blatantly disrespected for letting this kid wear a packers jersey. This is some of the worst character chemistry I have ever seen
If you think That 70s Show didn't have Disney Channel-level acting, you are watching it through rose-tinted glasses. And its first two seasons were some of its worst for the same reasons you listed here. That 90s Show had potential and easily could've lived up to its parent show if given enough time to find its footing.
Honestly, it wasn't suppose to exist so it was DOA. Laurie's actress was dead, Danny Masterson is in prison. Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis are too expensive to participate in this show. The new cast was either copying old characters and had to fill the shoes of old actors instead of being their own show. And all the times we had member berries in the show from the 70s show.
Also don't forget Tanya Roberts, who played Midge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they ever even address their absence? I only got to the first 4 episodes of season 1, and dropped it after that. But yes, the show was DOA, none of the characters were interesting and the actors and actresses felt like 2020s kids trying to play 90s teenagers, but know nothing about the decade. None of them felt remotely interesting at all.
Not particularly interested in watching a show that makes me go "Heh that joke was funnier in That 70s Show". And judging by the numerous clips you showed, that happened a lot. If a show can't stand on it's own without relying on the property it's based on, it doesn't deserve more seasons.
Considering how outright gross and disgusting 75% of the cast ended up being, all my interest in That 70s Show and spin-offs is just completely dead at this point. It feels gross watching the original and seeing so many POS people.
It looked like 2010 kids emulating the 90s. Where are the baggy clothes? The big logos on the back of shirts? The hats/beanies? How is not one of them a skater boi or girl?
Baggy pants were worn by either people into hip hop or people into nu metal, not everyone used them. And they couldn't wear big logos because they can't show real logos on a show unless they are paid advertisers
@greenrobot5 back in the day, media used to make up fake brands and logos satirizing their real life counters since parody is legal to use. They could have gone that route. Baggy clothes was not a hip hop thing. It was a style. Have you seen athletes on draft night back then? They wore big suits and stuff. Also, if you're going to nostalgia bait, you should be leaning into the 90s trends. It doesn't have to be a 1-to-1 accuracy. That's actually not good for a show/movie to attract an audience.
I agree that the haircuts and fashion was kind of off in the first season, but the second season was better. But the writers of this show knew more about 70's teen trends than 90's, I agree with that
In terms of character consistency, Kitty still having a 70's hairstyle is also kinda bullshit. Despite her age in the 70's, she seemed to adapt her hair to the decade at the time. Also, in season 8 she updated her hairstyle to a more modern look, a more 90's look even... which she and Red loved... and then, twenty years later, she's gone BACK to her old hairstyle from the 70's? It seems out of character.
I watched the first 4 episodes of season 1 and then I tapped out. I tried to like it and give it a chance when it first came out, but I just couldn't force myself
With the exception of Fuller House Netflix gives up on reboots or spin-offs after 2 or 3 seasons. I think Netflix tightening down on what it thinks was password sharing along with raising plan cost is also a partial downfall I think a number of reboots or original series would last a season or more longer if some decent project ideas weren't on Netflix, If it launched on network or a different streaming service, Seeing the show without the character of Hyde is also hard because of how integral of a character he was on the original series which might've hurt the reboot. and Just my opinion I don't believe Danny Masterson is guilty of the crimes he was accused of he's guilty of Making the Church of Scientology look bad and he's in prison to shut him up.
Hyde missing was not even close to the problem. The kids were awful and as someone that was a teenager in the 90's.......they acted nothing like 90's kids. It was just awful. Like you said, it was basically a nickelodeon show.
Its vibe was like a nickelodeon show. In 70s show other than Mia Kunis...they were portraying teens but the actor was older. This success in formula goes back to Shakespeare plays.this formula is even mentioned in Freaks and Geeks which that show in itself followed that formula. Now in 90s show they look like teens acting like kids. Maybe casting was more focused back in that 70s show but for 90s show it felt like an after thought thinking the legacy alone would hold it up.
Literally just binged the whole show. Is it a good show? No but I thought it was very watchable and it’s nice to see Red and Kitty again. Disappointed that we’re not getting another season or two
I actually liked the show. It wasn't great but I liked it. That 70s show was better but That 90s show wasn't bad. I'm glad you thought it should have been given a shot. That 70s show had an advantage being that it had more episodes in a season. That 90s show needed more episodes in a season
Season 1 was fantastic IMO. My 12 yr old daughter and I loved watching it together and we both genuinely laughed out loud throughout. We were so excited for Season 2 - and didn’t make it past episode 1….nothing was funny… it all felt “off” and totally different from Season 1 but not in a good way.
Fans? I barely saw anyone talk about the second season. I didn’t even know it came back until I went on Netflix and saw there was a new season. I think they lost a lotta ppl after the first season
It didn’t help that the cast didn’t have the same level of chemistry as the old. It really takes you out cause you just don’t believe that these people are friends. Ultimately, this was a show that doesn’t need to exist
It would of been fine that the show ended if the show didnt have a cilffhanger but seeing it did it does has people wonder how the cliffhanger would of went
Well this for me is terrible news. As a 90s kid who was a fan of the original I felt this show was done pretty good, it gave me a trip down memory lane (with the characters being similar to the original) wrapped in a trip down memory lane with all the 90s references. I really hope they manage to get another deal
Was such a bad sequel series. They either just had to lock in the OG cast more then a cameo and or call it Red & Kitty and have it focus on them. Ppl wanted so much from this an you watched it goin "think this is made more for 12yr olds"
One of my favourite shows was the Ranch but after all the stuff about Danny no I don’t think that show will sit well with other fans including the that’s 70 show
Horrible acting, poor casting choices, I mean, the main girl is just an awful actress and an even worse character, poorly written and boring, the writers and casting people and the actors should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves
The reason for Hyde not being in the show can be the same reason why the actor is not there: Prison.
I loathe the fact that they made like Hyde doesn't exist but then threw Fez on the show, when Wilmer Valderrama is as awful as Danny Masterson and Ashton Kutcher.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 But you were cool with Kelso? Fez was just where you draw the line?
@@ivanagustinortiz5237how’s he awful?
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 as far as I’m concerned, Topher Grace is the only cast member who seems like a decent person.
@@YakBat they literally lumped Kelso in with Hyde. 🙄
Thats 70s crew seemed like real friends,
That 90s crew seemed like HR made them be friends.
one cast was meant to think outside the box, the other to check boxes off
Probably because that 70s crew were real friends, while that 90s cast were probably just "co-worker" friends.
So accurate
@@Vergil666.Could some of it be the ages? I got the feeling the 90s show was trying for kid actors playing kids the age they are instead of 18+ actors playing younger.
Allowing the adult actors to become friends easier.
It's sad that a lot of shows have a mixed first season, only to have a stronger second installment, only to get cancelled due to low viewership.
couldn't have said it better
The cast was not strong. That’s one of the reasons why I got canceled. It didn’t have the chemistry like the cast of that 70s show had
Not really it's called first impressions. Reboots like this have zero excuses being bad they already have a solid base too start from
You can't grow viewership when there is 50000.000000 shows that release every month.. Either you grab people right away or you don't
@@mullaoslo and that's fault of their own, Netflix is entirely to blame for this "Greenlight anything, barely promote it and cancel it instantly because it isn't a top 10 show worldwide" mentality that has plagued the system.
It could have used another season or two. Its a shame Netflix doesn't give shows more time to grow.
The problem is, a new series is far more likely to get you to try a streaming service than season 3 or 4 of a show you’ve never seen would.
@@johnpatz8395 I disagree. I like sinking my teeth into shows. I would rather less shows with more seasons than more shows with less seasons. There are some series that are short, and I appreciate them, but it’s not the same as having a show with multiple seasons. before streaming services, shows were allowed to have lower ratings, and they would still air because shit doesn’t happen overnight. Streaming services think that virality is the only way to find success and that his ruined television permanently.
@@johnpatz8395 why would I want to invest myself in a one season show that might have another season if I know that Netflix is just gonna cancel it. There are so many good series that have been abandoned because they didn’t make a great first impression for everyone. apparently every show has to be for everyone. Netflix has found success getting shows from other networks, they have successful shows like Stranger Things but they can’t find another Stranger Things. They don’t give their shows enough time to develop.
This show barely felt like it was in the 90's while that 70's show actually did make it feel likr it is in the 70's
True. Even the 90s references felt forced.
A lot of effort went into that 70s show. A LOT of
As expected, Red and Kitty were the best part, with Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp seamlessly slotted back into their roles, as if no time had passed at all. The new cast seemed to get more comfortable with their characters, and became less like a Disney Channel sitcom, with drugs and sex references.
Netflix will probably make a "That 2000s show" in a couple of years
There'll be just Topher Grace and Laura Prepon hopefully (as the rest of the cast is either a scientologist, a creep or both).
I don’t know why you’re leaving Laura out. She also has Scientology connections. Even if she left Scientology, she was still part of it for a good amount of time.
@@Luvmarcy19 But she left, and if we don't give people a chance to change and be better, why would they?
People deserve a chance to move on from bad decisions.
@@omegashinra7672 Not saying she can’t change but doesn’t excuse her past. She’s just as sketchy as her former costars.
You know that Hollywood and Scientology are so interconnected that it’s alot of “we’ll blacklist you if you don’t join” type of thing? Leah Remini talked about how horrible it was and you don’t see her in much of anything anymore
I just couldn’t shake the vibe of it feeling like a Disney/Nick sitcom, not in a good way. Kitty and Red were a treat to see again. But it didn’t feel real to me. That 70’s show just feels evergreen despite being a period piece, while That 90’s felt dated to me already, while not feeling like the 90’s at all at the same time
Agreed, the old show was pg 13 and felt like it was leaning toward r and if this show is pg 13 I'd be 😮 and say it leaned closer to g than pg 13.
That '90s Show should've solely focused on Kitty and Red and been like a take on The Honeymooners only its the inverse where its about a married couple entering there twilight years. It would've made it stand out more. That's a big reason why most requels don't work because they just wanna redo the original and don't wanna actually evolve and tell a new story.
It really sucks what Danny Masterson did because I'm sure it change some people's thoughts on Hyde
Hyde being an integral part of That 70s’ Show as well makes it hard for me to watch that series anymore.
Danny Masterson doing what he did created a feeling that something was missing in That 90s’ Show because his absence from it was clear as day, and it dulled any sort of positive emotion or nostalgia I have for That 70s’ Show because of how key of a role he played in the show.
@theworb5689 yeah Hyde was my 2nd favorite character
Yeah, some of Hyde's jokes really hit differently for me now. The one that always comes to mind is s1e8 when he's showing Fez how to hide the Alice Cooper album in the Pat Boone cover...
@@nifferwolf same thing with Wilmer Valderrama, Fez being a creep was annoying on first watch, but after finding out about Wilmer actually being a creep... Unwatchable.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 fr! I've not been able to complete a rewatch since it all came out and it was one of my go-to comfort shows for years.
This show coming out the same time that Danny Masterson was being convicted was awful timing. If this had come some years earlier or even maybe in a few years from now I feel it would’ve done better
Even more when more than half of the original cast got tied with it, or got their own conflicting attention (Wilmer Valderrama being a bit of a predator).
@ yeah that’s really what made it difficult for me to watch that 90’s show as much as I wanted to like it the whole thing just has a creepy feeling to it now with hindsight
Okay so like over a decade ago for fun i wrote a script with my friends about a That 70s Show sequel set in the 90s. And in that i wrote that Hyde would get back with jackie over the years but then die or get jailed off screen so we never see his character again in the reboot...
Hyde and Laurie characters seemed like they would’ve got swept up in the cocaine 80s.
It might’ve gave the show a little more life if it was just called “Point Place”
Yeah, given the amount of time they spent in their basement growing up, it seems VERY unlikely Kitty and Red wouldn't be invited to Kelso and Jackie's wedding
Man this is how I find out it was cancelled. This sucks I really enjoyed the 2nd season parts, and was looking forward to the next season. I'm happy at least Nate and Nikki got back together before the end or I'd of been really pissed. The kids needed more story instead of Bob being sad for 2 eps .
It’s funny everyone seems to forget Wilmer was dating a child when he was an adult.
I only watched a few eps. I hated that Jackie and Michael’s son and Donna and Eric’s daughter don’t already know each other. So the parents stopped being friends with each other soon after that 70s Show ended?
That’s sad
Realistically, when people moved away from their smaller towns in past decades, people would lose contact all the time. There were probably many circumstances of breakups and get togethers that caused drifts in communications among the 4 of them. I bet in the early 80’s maybe Donna and Eric went to Kelso and Jackie’s wedding, but after that life might of caught up with both parties not expecting the kids to ever really meet. Now a days with social media it seems more common for us to return to our home towns more often and to text our old friends from high school, but back then it was probably a bitch.
They probably both still love each other, but time just drifted them apart, just as adult hood always does.
Was surprised that it was canceled so soon.
How? It was painfully unfunny
netflix cancels most of their shows after 2 seasons to get out of the payrise for further seasons. regardless of how good or bad the show is, if it wasn't a mega success, it was probably getting culled anyway
Netflix is quick to cut bait and cash in on nostalgia, also the old cast being involved probably didn’t help. They really could have just used the same premise of the original show a group of friends in the 90’s they didn’t have to be related to the original at all. But nostalgia sells
It's not that surprising
@@davemac9563Although not surprising since Netflix is notorious for cancelling shows regardless. That 90’s show was just starting to kind of get better in my opinion. Was beginning to get used to the characters and the show for what it was
It's disgusting how a lot of cast members actually tried to defend Danny Masterson in court for his crimes, it doesn't matter how much they apologized, they still put thought into, wrote out, and sent in those letters to defend him
Worst thing is, I don't recall Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp giving any apology for sending a character letter for Danny Masterson. While Ashton and Mila got all the hate (deservingly so, they're not getting it for Diddy tho), Debra Jo Rupp and Kurtwood Smith got away with it.
Dude that case is bS. He should not be in prison 😊
@@danielrichardson6054 THAT IS CRAZY TO SAY
They didn't defend anything. They sent a character letter to the judge for sentencing purposes. They were life-long friends.
@@Kuhlio1313 not just "sentencing purposes", his family was trying to get Danny Masterson half his time on prison.
With everything that's happened with the OG cast, this revival would've been better of not happening.
Was waiting for this video! Loved all of the episodes although they had issues. Thought it ended to soon but besides that loved it from start to finish.
Season 2 got better, but not quite. Because Fez didn't return, Kelso and Jackie didn't show up once, and they traded Leo for two new guys. Also, they set up that Bob was moving close by and he only showed for one episode.
Fez jackie and kelso's actor got in trouble as well.
@@TonyL.Vasquez-c1o yeah, that sucks, at the end it all revolves around Hyde
I really couldn't understand why they were friends with Oz at all. He was a jerk to everyone all the time.
He was definitely the worst character in the show.
He was that absolute stereotype gay diva that’s rude to everyone but it’s okay because that’s just their personality as a gay person.
Something that wouldn’t have held up in the 90’s or now
'Back in the 70s or something'
Vee, do what you need to do, just know there's more of us than you might think who will miss your awesome content! And dude, you've knocked out of the park with this review!
Even Roseanne was killed off her own show. And the fact that Danny was even able to really mess up Linkin Park is wild.
Before this show came out, the social media posts teasing the show really really implied Leia and Gwen were a couple. I went in expecting this and was very surprised when they created a very different love triangle at the very end of season one and then went nowhere with it. I have to wonder if this was an idea they had for later episodes or just something the cast thought up.
I can't wait for That 10's Show!
9:19 Yeah that have always bugged me. You think as friends of their son snd daughter-in-law they would've known they were married and had kids.
At least it had a second season. Some good shows get canceled after one season while other shows seem to keep going and going.
I recently saw That '90s Show. Seeing these actresses, Debra Jo Rupp and Laura Prepon was funny. They both look like they've had some work done on their faces.
That '70s Show is my comfort show. I was hesitant but hopeful for That '90s Show. The first season was rough, but I noticed the improvement away. I didn't even know a season 2 even came out. I really hope they bring it back as I really wanted to see these characters grow.
I actually thought Red not knowing anything about what occurred in the lives of other characters between that 70s show and that 90s show was a good choice and fit his character perfectly. Of all the things you can point out they did wrong, they nailed Red Foreman 15 years later in my mind for both seasons.
I love your videos
I went to look for the that 70s show retrospective only to realize that this was JUST uploaded 😭
I'm still holding out hope it gets picked up somewhere else.
same praying it’s peacock
You mean, like, from episode 1?
I again understand the concerns of Hyde, but I feel they really could have used another offscreen plot like they did for Eric. Hell I was invested in Erics offscreen story. They really could have had Hyde be a pillar, and pride point of Red's disgruntled opions of the basment. While Kelso's made sense... Red could have truly had a 'Triumph' arc as well.
I also know it took me a couple of attempts to get into S1. But after a few episodes... I could definitely feel an idea... it was just "Bro Bro Bro Bro Bro" felt more Dumbass then bromance.
"And then just like that for show went *bye-bye-bye* " That caught me off guard, quality 😂
Most series made for a streaming service, even great shows, will likely face the same problem, as these services seek to grow user numbers,but a third or fourth season of a show, that you’ve never seen, won’t get you to give them a shot, but a new series might.
Of course on top of that is the short seasons, some as low as six episodes, that make every episode even more important. For example in Next Gen had a few silly or poorly written episodes, it was just 3 out of 20+ in that season, which is vastly different than if it was 3 of 8 or 10.
Then finally the extended period between seasons drive even more potential fans away.
The show has some other issues. That '70s Show felt like cartoons and satire I saw of the '70s as a kid. I was born in '79, so I don't remember them personally, exactly. And yes, it had a sitcom coat of paint. But it had things that matched what I knew of the decade, and the older people watching with me felt was right.
That '90s show does not. The friend group is weird for small town Midwest (which is where I grew up). It's too racially diverse (for modern audiences). When I was in high school there were 3 black kids in a school of 1,800 kids. There were 2 Asian kids (one was an elementary school friend of mine and the other was her sister). There were probably more Latinos than I realized, Maybe about 10 per grade for a grand total of 40. We did have another ethnic group in large numbers that's not represented here, but that was more my specific locale and wouldn't have made sense for the show. Maybe they should have have had more Native American rep. Anyway, everyone else was white.
I don't have issue with the kids being accepting of each other. Most of us didn't really care, or we had people who ran around trying (and failing) to collect different races like Pokemon because they felt they had something to prove about being good people. I have issue with why they would want to be with each other in the first place. In that kind of structure, the much smaller racial divisions just hung out with people that they liked,. They didn't all hang out together because other than being minorities, they didn't really have anything in common as people.
And so we're presented this racially diverse group of people who have nothing in common as individual people, and it just feels so off because there's no reason for them to want to hang out together. It feels immensely forced because of the diversity, whereas if it were somewhere like New York, it would seem normal.
Then you have the gay kid. And again, it's not that they accept him. Heck, at this point in my life, half my friends are GLBT. It's that in that time period, being a teenager, well, someone needs to explain to the rest of the cast what gay is. They're missing this foundational bit of knowledge and it is not covered in sex ed. I'm not sure when Gen Z learned gay people exist. But I did not know until high school that this was an option. There was no "And Tango Makes Three" when I was a kid. And while I loved Hollywood in Mannequin, it took me a while to really pay attention to the fact that he was dating a man. Oh, and there was the Bird Cage. Let's see, that came out when I was a Junior in high school, 1996.
Basically, it's not that I want them to hate on the gay kid. It's just that a normal reaction from a sheltered Midwestern kid of the '90s was confusion due to lack of knowledge. Which means there should be questions asked and conversations had if they're going to actually be friends.
Speaking of friends, Leia has this weird thing where it feels like she has no friends during the school year in the area that she actually lives. Why is her only life living with her grandparents? Why does it feel like she gets boxed up and put on the shelf for the rest of the year? Where is her actual life?
I suppose these issues all go back to poorly thought out characters. Part of the problem is basically both how the character fit together and how the characters fit in the setting (both time and place). Gen X was very individualistic, and what I mean by that is we had tight knit friend groups and we would accept all kinds of different behavior (depending on the friend group, not going to pretend there weren't haters out there), but we accepted you based on who you were as a person. So the writing of the relationships being so bad is particularly aggravating and makes the whole thing weird.
I really enjoyed it, like most adaptations and live actions of prior media (or sequels like In this case) I saw the show with no expectations and had a good time, speaking of time they didn't give it a chance to keep that found momentum, they canned it way too early just when they were finding themselves and doing their own thing, sad they left it on a cliffhanger too icarly all over again 🙄🙄
As a Packers fan, I feel blatantly disrespected for letting this kid wear a packers jersey. This is some of the worst character chemistry I have ever seen
What? Already? Damn that was a fast one
Honestly the best way they could have write of Hyde was he went to jail, it’s perfect for his character and it’s a blend of fiction and real life.
If you think That 70s Show didn't have Disney Channel-level acting, you are watching it through rose-tinted glasses. And its first two seasons were some of its worst for the same reasons you listed here. That 90s Show had potential and easily could've lived up to its parent show if given enough time to find its footing.
Honestly, it wasn't suppose to exist so it was DOA. Laurie's actress was dead, Danny Masterson is in prison. Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis are too expensive to participate in this show. The new cast was either copying old characters and had to fill the shoes of old actors instead of being their own show. And all the times we had member berries in the show from the 70s show.
Also don't forget Tanya Roberts, who played Midge. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they ever even address their absence? I only got to the first 4 episodes of season 1, and dropped it after that. But yes, the show was DOA, none of the characters were interesting and the actors and actresses felt like 2020s kids trying to play 90s teenagers, but know nothing about the decade. None of them felt remotely interesting at all.
Not particularly interested in watching a show that makes me go "Heh that joke was funnier in That 70s Show". And judging by the numerous clips you showed, that happened a lot.
If a show can't stand on it's own without relying on the property it's based on, it doesn't deserve more seasons.
Surprisingly canceled too soon
You are not getting a keg up on a water tower. Especially not one with anything inside. What in the world?
Considering how outright gross and disgusting 75% of the cast ended up being, all my interest in That 70s Show and spin-offs is just completely dead at this point. It feels gross watching the original and seeing so many POS people.
It looked like 2010 kids emulating the 90s. Where are the baggy clothes? The big logos on the back of shirts? The hats/beanies? How is not one of them a skater boi or girl?
Baggy pants were worn by either people into hip hop or people into nu metal, not everyone used them. And they couldn't wear big logos because they can't show real logos on a show unless they are paid advertisers
@greenrobot5 back in the day, media used to make up fake brands and logos satirizing their real life counters since parody is legal to use. They could have gone that route. Baggy clothes was not a hip hop thing. It was a style. Have you seen athletes on draft night back then? They wore big suits and stuff. Also, if you're going to nostalgia bait, you should be leaning into the 90s trends. It doesn't have to be a 1-to-1 accuracy. That's actually not good for a show/movie to attract an audience.
I agree that the haircuts and fashion was kind of off in the first season, but the second season was better. But the writers of this show knew more about 70's teen trends than 90's, I agree with that
In terms of character consistency, Kitty still having a 70's hairstyle is also kinda bullshit. Despite her age in the 70's, she seemed to adapt her hair to the decade at the time. Also, in season 8 she updated her hairstyle to a more modern look, a more 90's look even... which she and Red loved... and then, twenty years later, she's gone BACK to her old hairstyle from the 70's? It seems out of character.
They should have recast Hyde, and make jokes about how much he'd changed.
I love your videos but that outro makes it hard to binge your stuff
I didn't even bother to check out season 2, but red and kitty were the best part
I watched the first 4 episodes of season 1 and then I tapped out. I tried to like it and give it a chance when it first came out, but I just couldn't force myself
Part 3 (Part 2 of Season 2) wasn't bad. Donna directed those episodes.
It never got better tbh. It didn’t even start out good. It was clear from the beginning this was a soulless effortless cash grab.
With the exception of Fuller House Netflix gives up on reboots or spin-offs after 2 or 3 seasons. I think Netflix tightening down on what it thinks was password sharing along with raising plan cost is also a partial downfall I think a number of reboots or original series would last a season or more longer if some decent project ideas weren't on Netflix, If it launched on network or a different streaming service, Seeing the show without the character of Hyde is also hard because of how integral of a character he was on the original series which might've hurt the reboot. and Just my opinion I don't believe Danny Masterson is guilty of the crimes he was accused of he's guilty of Making the Church of Scientology look bad and he's in prison to shut him up.
Hyde missing was not even close to the problem. The kids were awful and as someone that was a teenager in the 90's.......they acted nothing like 90's kids. It was just awful. Like you said, it was basically a nickelodeon show.
I can see the minimal quantity of love and effort that went into this in like 10 seconds, how is that possible ? And why keeps happening ? 😂😂😂
Its vibe was like a nickelodeon show. In 70s show other than Mia Kunis...they were portraying teens but the actor was older. This success in formula goes back to Shakespeare plays.this formula is even mentioned in Freaks and Geeks which that show in itself followed that formula. Now in 90s show they look like teens acting like kids. Maybe casting was more focused back in that 70s show but for 90s show it felt like an after thought thinking the legacy alone would hold it up.
It was dead on arrival the final season of That 70's Show killed any Nostalgia for it i.e. no one asked for another crappy Netflix Reboot
Literally just binged the whole show. Is it a good show? No but I thought it was very watchable and it’s nice to see Red and Kitty again. Disappointed that we’re not getting another season or two
I actually liked the show. It wasn't great but I liked it. That 70s show was better but That 90s show wasn't bad. I'm glad you thought it should have been given a shot. That 70s show had an advantage being that it had more episodes in a season. That 90s show needed more episodes in a season
Back in the 70s or something... I mean I'm always down for more.
Season 1 was fantastic IMO. My 12 yr old daughter and I loved watching it together and we both genuinely laughed out loud throughout. We were so excited for Season 2 - and didn’t make it past episode 1….nothing was funny… it all felt “off” and totally different from Season 1 but not in a good way.
Here’s to the 2000s in 10 years .
Fans? I barely saw anyone talk about the second season. I didn’t even know it came back until I went on Netflix and saw there was a new season. I think they lost a lotta ppl after the first season
Cool video
It didn’t help that the cast didn’t have the same level of chemistry as the old. It really takes you out cause you just don’t believe that these people are friends. Ultimately, this was a show that doesn’t need to exist
They should have just cast Christopher Masterson to play Steven Hyde in 90s show 🤷♂️ it’s as close as we could have gotten…
Definitely needs to pick up for another season because it was going somewhere good
Even though my wife and I enjoyed that 90s show we also could've done without it
I didn't even know there was a second season, and I enjoyed the first fairly for what its worth.
Ozzie is what went wrong with his character
Nikki was the weird Asian
It would of been fine that the show ended if the show didnt have a cilffhanger but seeing it did it does has people wonder how the cliffhanger would of went
Not to nitpick but That 70s Show was a 2000s show. It ran from 1998-2006 and wasn't even on for 2 years in the 90s.
Beatleguise canceled it really well
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That supposed to be a bad version of the kelson/hyde/jackie trio
The problem is Actors aren’t as talented as they were in the 2000s so it was never gonna top that.
Adding Seth Green to a show is like adding Seth Rogan to a movie. Big mistake.
Well this for me is terrible news. As a 90s kid who was a fan of the original I felt this show was done pretty good, it gave me a trip down memory lane (with the characters being similar to the original) wrapped in a trip down memory lane with all the 90s references. I really hope they manage to get another deal
Yet I still clicked again
Was such a bad sequel series. They either just had to lock in the OG cast more then a cameo and or call it Red & Kitty and have it focus on them. Ppl wanted so much from this an you watched it goin "think this is made more for 12yr olds"
is this a re=upload?
No
One of my favourite shows was the Ranch but after all the stuff about Danny no I don’t think that show will sit well with other fans including the that’s 70 show
You end on a positive note after trashing it. lol. If they had 2 successful seasons, Netflix wouldn't have canceled.
Horrible acting, poor casting choices, I mean, the main girl is just an awful actress and an even worse character, poorly written and boring, the writers and casting people and the actors should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves
Hyde was actually my least favourite even before all this stuff about him in real life came out
Back in the 70's or something
Unpopular opinion but I love That 80s Show
Oh hell yes set fire to the rain vee
It's still better than season 8
thats why i cant get behind netflix shows they never last even the great ones
Doesn't really matter how good the show was getting is no one watches it. Season one was a hard watch to get thur
wait... the miz was in that 90s show?
Back in the 70s or something(!!!!)
MAKE A 70'S SHOW RETROSPECTIVE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew this was twice!!
This could have been good. I don’t get why more effort wasn’t put into it
Back in the 70s or something
Dead on arrival