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Sailboat capsize and rolls with a wave, in Torres Vedras - Portugal 🇬🇧🇵🇹
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- 🇬🇧 Ensuring this tragedy never happens again!
In Torres Vedras, a Danish sailboat leaving Peniche, with 4 crew members, 3 men and a woman lost their lives on the beaches
After ignoring several warnings from fishermen and locals.
#skippersessentials
The sailboat flew the Danish flag and left the Peniche marina this morning with four people on board.
“Upon arrival at the scene, it was found that some debris, allegedly from the vessel, had reached the shore, along with three survivors of the sinking, two men and one woman, all without life jackets and in a state of cardiac arrest. Members of the Torres Vedras Volunteer Fire Department immediately began resuscitation maneuvers,” says the statement from the National Maritime Authority (AMN9).
“The Navy spokesperson later confirmed, however, that the four people, all believed to be foreign nationals, were pronounced dead at the scene.
Searches are being carried out for possible missing crew members.
Although the circumstances surrounding the boat's sinking are still being investigated, the national press highlighted that the weather was particularly dangerous for maritime navigation this morning.
Lisbon, where the municipality of Torres Vedras is located, is one of the seven districts of mainland Portugal that is under red warning until 3 pm due to rough seas, with waves from the northwest expected to reach a significant height of seven to eight meters and a maximum height of 14/15 meters, says Lusa.
The remaining districts are Porto, Viana do Castelo, Leiria, Aveiro, Coimbra and Braga.”
By Michael Bruxo.
The bodies and the sailboat arrived on the coast this morning, around 11 am, Portuguese Navy spokesman José Sousa Luís told the Lusa agency.
What the hell were these elderly people thinking about?
No vests!
🇵🇹 Garantindo que esta tragédia nunca mais aconteça! Em Torres Vedras, um veleiro Dinamarquês que sai de Peniche, com 4 tripulantes, 3 homens e uma mulher perderam suas vidas nas praias
Após ignorarem, vários alertas de pescadores e locais.
#skippersessentials
O veleiro arvorava bandeira dinamarquesa e saiu esta manhã da marina de Peniche com quatro pessoas a bordo.
“À chegada ao local, constatou-se que alguns destroços, alegadamente provenientes da embarcação, tinham chegado à costa, juntamente com três sobreviventes do naufrágio, dois homens e uma mulher, todos sem coletes salva-vidas e em estado de paragem cardíaca. Os elementos dos Bombeiros Voluntários de Torres Vedras iniciaram imediatamente manobras de reanimação”, refere o comunicado da Autoridade Marítima Nacional (AMN9.”
“O porta-voz da Marinha confirmou posteriormente, no entanto, que as quatro pessoas, todas consideradas estrangeiras, foram declaradas mortas no local.
Estão sendo realizadas buscas por possíveis tripulantes desaparecidos.
Embora as circunstâncias do naufrágio do barco ainda estejam a ser investigadas, a imprensa nacional destacou que o tempo estava particularmente perigoso para a navegação marítima esta manhã.
Lisboa, onde se situa o concelho de Torres Vedras, é um dos sete distritos de Portugal continental que está sob aviso vermelho até às 15h00 devido ao mar agitado, prevendo-se que as ondas de noroeste atinjam uma altura significativa de sete a oito metros e uma altura máxima de 14/15 metros, refere a Lusa.
Os restantes distritos são Porto, Viana do Castelo, Leiria, Aveiro, Coimbra e Braga.”
Por Michael Bruxo.
Os corpos e o veleiro chegaram à costa esta manhã, por volta das 11h00, disse à agência Lusa o porta-voz da Marinha Portuguesa, José Sousa Luís.
Por onde cargas d’águas estavam pensando esses idosos?
Sem coletes!
It's plain to see that the way the boat way plodding along as comfortable as possible instead of heeling over hard trying to get away from the shore shows that the captain didn't really know how to handle a sailboat. This is a classic example of how people start boating thinking that a boat is a caravan with a mast. Most cruisers never sailed as a kid in dinghies that tip over if you dont know how to balance them or have never raced trying to use a boat's full potential, no motor. The captain's supposedly experience was probably one day repeated 20 years in front of his home marina and not 20 years of various different situations, seas, waves, winds and tides. If you observe well the boat seems to sailing in an abandoned way. Either everyone was asleep, drunk, seasick or hangover from the previous night's cheap wine. The fact that they were not wearing lifejackets shows they were unaware of the danger their floating caravan was in. Worse, they were firmly warned by locals in the marina not to go out that day but surely the €150.000 Bavaria's arrogance would prove everybody wrong.
@@tonybodlovic5825 They died, genius. Having spent nearly fifty years at sea myself, I'd say he's pretty accurate.
That's a lot of assumptions for someone who wasn't on board! In fact, I believe the captain was trying to get upwind. When a boat is heavily reefed, as that one was, and as he HAD to be in that wind, no sailboat can be as efficient as it needs to be to claw to windward. In his case, he needed to use the engine to assist the sails and get off shore as soon as possible. I don't know why he didn't use his engine, or if he was using it, why he didn't get the nose of the boat out to sea. If the sails start flogging, drop them and use the engine only. This is the classic case of being on a lee shore in a storm. Yes, he never should have put to sea in those conditions. Listen to the locals.
From what I see in the video the boat is moving at only 3-4 knots because it had too little sail especially the mainsail which is needed to point the bow upwind.This results in the boat not moving at its optimal speed creating a big problem, leeway. The keel is more effective at holding a course the faster the boat moves. Additionally the boat had a fully enclosed bimini which has just about as much area as the reefed sails adding to a probable 1,5-2 knot leeway, also caused by the wave action. This leeway is not apparent when viewed from the boat, it just feels like you are moving foward. Surely no electronic tool was being used to confirm the true heading as they were drifting sideways towards shore. The fact that they didnt have the motor working, as a last resource in this case, no lifejackets on and apparently no one on watch shows they were completely unaware of their situation, probably thinking they were on a more parallel course to the shore. On such big waves, given the high leeway, they should have been beating against the wind, pointing way from land, just to keep a parallel course to land. This was not done because of the uncomfortable, slamming, water over the bow motion. To me this shows the lack of experience of the skipper in such onshore conditions, being irresponsable not to keep a constant watch, not constantly checking his position on the gps and not steering an initial course to quite a few miles away from land in the first place. I could be wrong of course, but probably only if there was some physical problem with someone on board which attracted everyone's full attention.
@@TheAdventuresofPrinceDiamond
He is not struggling to get off the lee shore.. as his boat is making good way with eased sheets. He is paralleling the coast for some bizarre reason..
His boat will tack through 90deg (in normal conditions) and 120deg under eased sheets. A 90 deg tack puts him perpendicular to the shore line and directly out into deeper & safer water. A 120 deg tack does the same.
Novice sailors want to be close to land when things get really rough, experienced sailors head out to sea (deep water), or have stayed in port if not out there already.
stop your insulting misery by talking about boat brands or banknotes when people died in this video, probably without endorsement from their families.
no book teachs how to manage a lee shore and probably the people who died for your self righteous apathetic amusement had an electric or engine failure or other distress situation
I am a sailor wit thousands of nautical miles in my keel water. I sailed exactly the same stretch.
I think of the parents and friends who lost their beloved ones. every sailor who sees this video and has experienced similar conditions knows that this is a very dangerous situation. All the good proposals in the comments are totally right. All of us learn just by seeing this video even without comments,,, Nobody knows about the situation on board, were they injured, seasick couldn't they star the motor. So let's stay humble and think of our 4 colleagues with the greatest respect, Frank @ SY OM
Actually, we have a few informations. Is already on the comments. They had left a Marina few hours before, with a bad weather alert 🚨. People told them to do not leave the port. No life vests, no experience etc.
They called mayday, but was too late. The sails were in complete wrong configuration.
Ok know, i read the reports in Portuguese Month ago. But still nobody was on board and knows what happened exactly. Orcas, damages (reefing) injuries etc. Just feel with the family and friends who have to read these comments.
What I learn out of this is to avoid these situations if possible at any means. I knew this before but this is a hard reminder. So sorry for our sailing buddie. You probably know the accident of the German educating yacht and the yacht of some young sailors at the coast at Marocco. This coast is tricky and dangerous.
The thing is I’m a beginner 2 years of cruising on Lake Michigan and 1 crossing. Even if would have know to go into the wind get away from shore. Idk how someone could even get the sails up and not know this
RIP to the unfortunate crew.
Apparently the boat is in good shape, as the skipper is making way and can control the heading.
It’s very difficult to conclude that this serious incident is not the consequence of a series of misjudgments and bad decisions. In the same video you can see another sailboat sailing south and further offshore, in a much safer situation.
Bad passage planning is the phrase that summarizes a whole concatenation of bad decisions.
I feel bad writing this, provided people have died. I don’t consider myself a super experienced sailor. One thing I know are both my boat’s and my own limitations.
This unfortunate event should serve us all not only as a reminder of the power of the sea, but also as a learning.
Fair winds…
Captain wasn't controlling anything!!
Way too close to shore, and getting closer.....terrible captain!!
you can read, that:
1.)they were warned by lokal fishermen to leave harbour in these conditions.
2.) every skipper knows - or should know before sailing there - that it's very dangerous close to land at the coast of Portugal with an incoming swell from the Atlantic. Because of the breaking waves.
3.) So when deciding to leave the harbour - against the advice of the locals- your aim has to be to pass the dangerous zone of breaking waves near the shore as soon as possible. So you have to trim your sails to go upwind( which they apparently did not) and use enough sail to force the boat diagonal against the waves(which they did not ). Alternatively they could have used a technique which is ironically/ tragically known to me as " danish going upwind". Which means using a small sailarea with not much heel and the engine running and helping for good progress.
4.) the course so near the shore and near the breaking waves is completely not understandable. And they say that 2 men onboard had a lot of sailing expierience. Unbelievable. The tragic end was written on the wall.
This is a good summation.
"The Sailors had good experience".. maybe in moderate weather and not on a Lee Shore in a Break Zone..
A lot of people have been driving daily for decades and are still bad drivers..
Time at an activity does not directly correlate to skill.
I remember this accident being broadcasted in national news, in Portugal. It happened in the wake of super strong atlantic storm Ciaran. Orange and red alerts were in place, for very large W to NW seas, with waves expected to reach 15m. If you're in the safety of an harbour, why do you decide to sail out, in such conditions? Just let the storm fade away, in my opinion. Condolences for the families of the 4 dead persons.
they are there because clearly the person in charge had no real idea what they were doing. Why not more sails area? why is the main not out at. The boat is not even healing. Lack of skill combined with deadly situation result in loss of life. The responsibility for this avoidable disaster rests clearly in the captains dead shoulders.
Lack of Sail Area is not the main issue, they are making 3-4kts of boatspeed.
They are not heeling because they are not trying to point out to sea (for some bizarre reason..)
The sea state is rough, however the wind strength is not excessive.
Just poor decisions by the Skipper.
On the surface it looks like one big problem existed, they were too close to shore for whatever reason A sailing vessel healing in excess of 15⁰ doesn't indicate safety, stability and control, to the contrary, it indicates too much sail resulting in potentially unnecessary strain on sails, rigging and steering plus it could place the crew at risk of injury. Don't judge so harshly, you weren't there.
@@verbatim1144my thoughts exactly! I was looking at this like he needs to head up to starboard and get away from that surf. Trying to steer parallel the coast he’s going to get blown down to leeward and wind up taking breakers… turns out that’s exactly what happened.
@@verbatim1144 Some people just don't understand that the shore is far more dangerous than the sea, and LIKE to be close to shore. Sigh.😟
At 1:27 there's another sailing boat further out from shore.
It is a very strange behavior to be that close to shore in these conditions. It might be the fear of orcas. I know one of the crew members and we had talks of that risk before she left Denmark.
My condolences to the families left behind.
Pretty sure They had engine problems…. One thing takes the other. The men are trying to Get the motor running while someone is told to keep the boat steady along the coast. And they drift to shore. Not realising the danger before the wave hits. An accident never comes alone. Everyone knows that. But no wests………. Easy peasy to sit here and know all the answears. They are not the first in this world with expirience to go down and not the last. Pilots, racers, astronauts, adventurers have done it before and will do it again. If you werent there u know shit.
Wind and waves. Stay away from shore and shallows. The illusion of safety...that's what I see there.
They came in close to land, the boat is underpowered and can't help herself. Needed more sail area up and head out
One of the first things an experienced sailor will tell you. Yet as soon as things get iffy bad decision making, under the illusion of playing it safe will indeed lead to disaster.
That vessel didn't need more sail, it needed more water!
Either there was something wrong with the rig, which meant she could only sail on a starboard tack or the skipper made an emotional decision to sail to the perceived security of a safe harbour.
There no good decisions in this situation except to drive the yacht straight onto the beach. By the time this video began, the vessel was stricken, indeed it was sailing toward a shallow as evidenced by the large breaking waves in its path.
Of all these variables, the only certainty was that no sailing course exists which would have taught this skipper how to handle these conditions, only are huge amount of experience and an even laser dose of luck!
If I was the voice on the skippers shoulder, I would have whispered "beach the boat and save your lives. Your vessel is no longer a sailing yacht, it's a coffin!!"
Such an easy suggestion from the comfort of an armchair
@@alastairnewman1233 almost agree, but at least 20 knots of wind and there was no reason for that boat to be a beam of a sea and end up on the beach. The decision to get the boat in trouble happened long before the video started. Look for a bow wave...the boat is barely moving and at the mercy of the waves.
We got caught once and I headed the boat out. We were within shot of harbour but there were shoals. Told the wife to go below with kids and close her up. 2 behind me decided to go for the safety of harbour...both were knocked down. 4 hours into it, it got worse and seeing waves build almost the height of a one story house....with double reef and one turn on the furler of the 12 ounce 100% jib. Held around 3.8 to 4.5 kts but we were headed out, not in. About 6 hours later made it into a bay with a more favorable approach around a head of land. We put in a hard afternoon and night but no one hurt and nothing broken.
@@alastairnewman1233you aren’t a sailor, right?
Because they can sail out from that situation.
But I agree that they are atraída and looking to be close to shore.
Panic, inexperienced crew and lots of mistakes. With a lithe bit of skill it’s possible to get out
They definitely DONT need more sail area... They have plenty of boat speed and eased sheets, they could easily sheet in and point higher and track out to sea, or better still tack in a trough and head directly off shore.
@@verbatim1144 they needed power and they had shit.
.end of story. Everyone knows he had to tack but not everyone realizes he didn't have enough way on or power in sails to do it...and he didn't. You want to play in that wind and sea better have a set and know to push that boat to get out of trouble. That boat got into trouble because of poor decision making and it was going to take some serious action to get out of it...or they could carry on wishing and employing half measures. A breaking wave, 25% of length of the boat, broadsiding a boat will knock it down...any boat, any hull design...a breaking wave is generally hitting the boat at 20 kts. So how do you counter that... use speed so that you are not exposed. That boat lopping along even keeled...may as well be dead in the water. To minimize ketting knocked down that tacking ( in those conditions), you better have some serious way on, minimize her profile, punch the tack, then sort her out...in those conditions it's not hard, unless you don't know the difference...and you are not going to be sailing even keeled.
What are they doing so close to the breakers on the beach? Did they understand what deadly danger they were in?
Maybe they had some malfunction with rudder . Should have kept way out to sea.. or even better not sailed at all this day.
The waves might look small on the video, but when you are onboard you truly see see and experience the power of the wind and swells.
@@bjrnetveter253 When you stand on the deck of a medium size monohull sailboat, your eyes are about 9' above the water. If the horizon is always visible, the waves are less than 9' tall. If the horizon disappears about half the time, the waves are 13-14' high. If the horizon disappears for almost the whole wave length, it is about twice 14' high, so 28' or so. I was half way between Hawaii in October, and the waves rolling from Japan, some 5,000 nm away (Force 7+,) were over 20' high. That distance that the wind blows over, is called fetch. If the wind blows for over 5 days for over 1000 nm, it will generate 20' + waves. More wind speed, higher waves. Force 9 winds can generate waves over 30' if the fetch and duration is big enough.
@@timdunn2257 Yeah. That imust have been quite the ride you had.
But in this case there are a malfunction and or poor seamanship, inexperienced crew or drunk or high. Stupid and ignorant.
They decide to go out in this weather.
and you know the breaking of the waves become higher towards land because it is shallower, that makes the waves break bigger and you are in trouble...
I hear a story about a guy in a 50 foot power yacht that tried to cross the Biscay in bad weather.. Did not go well.
I have colleagues on big cargo and oil tankers that sail the biscay winter time all year because time is money for the companies.
They also feel the surge from the wind and the current as the vessel is pulled sideways and have to use extra power.
When it gets shallow the rollers get bigger and tighter.. I would have headed out to deep water..
Right answer.
Wow, this is crazy unnecessary and extremely sad. Like my father has always said to me, ignorance is unconsciously Brave, and here we have it 😢 crazy to be so close to the shore,just that alone is mad. If it would be at a marina entry, well ok cause you would have no choice (apart from not going to the marina ofcourse)
Bad desitions, shouldn't have left harbour in the first place. RIP 🙏❤️😔
Thanks for posting.
Cheers SV Good Karma as Grins.
Boa noite Artur. Pelo video em questão, e os comentarios mais elaborados, irei estudar a situação na carta nautica referente. Agradeço as informações da localização e etc. Infelizmente o skiper do veleiro, entrou numa cadeia de acontecimentos bizarros. Espero que ainda te encontre "acordado", para trocar nossas impressões. Saudações de Florianopolis, BRZ.
Bons estudos! Essa é a Intenção.
There may have been factors complicating things for those folks that we're not aware of and its easy to judge but in my opinion, based on my experience, rule #1. *_stay away from land 'cause that's where sh*t lives,_* it'll mitigate many of the potentially catastrophic consequences, plus *_it buys you precious time._* Also think of the *_what if's?_* What if the engine fails or what if my steering fails and have a plan for all of them before SHTF.
If you’re an sailor with good observation, you’ll see they miss a lot of what they should learn at sailing school.
The color of the water warning, change course head out bow on and the most inexplicable sailing beam on in the break zone.
Mi mas sincero pésame a los familiares.
Valorar la situación es complicado, pero creo que el problema fue estar tan cerca de la costa y navegar al través.
Hemos de tener claro que en estas condiciones mejor es estar mar a dentro lejos de la costa y navegar amurados a las olas.
És verdad, el mar de la costa és muy peligroso, algo se pasó en el velero,.las personas, lle digo, para nó salir al mar, ignoraran los avisos que el mar, estaba muy malo, la consciência foi dellos, asy lo foi la tragédia, soy português pero que entiendas la escrita, abraso amigo 👍
@@gloriousroyaleagle564 se entiende perfectamente tu idioma gracias
They were trying to stay in the orcas free zone.. i was sailing with my family at that time. We did the same route few weeks before.. i would have NEVER got out with this kind of wind.
People are making lots of assumptions. I don't see so many critics on how a driver should behave on car accident videos. For some of you, sailing should be forbidden for those who didn't have parents who gave you the privilege of having a sailing boat or living close to the sea.
@jesperalbeck-madsen4333.....My brother was on board and you're right, the skipper was nervous about orcas, but it's still a mystery to us why they sailed out and why they weren't wearing vests, there is a video that shows the 2 women who were on board though on board, sat in a vest 1½ hours before the accident, but there are many unanswered questions.
I'm sorry for your loss.😔
IMHO the yacht had too litle mainsail out and was not able to sail closer to the wind. In this case on a heading further away from the lee shore. Very unfortunate accident
"modern" fin keel mono mast sailboats cannot beat a lee shore (litle lift, too much drag... and weight) or need a fast acting strategy, as we can see this is probably an engine failure
@@crapisnice of course they can. This boat needed full sail and would easily make it into open water closed hauled. The crew did not know what they were doing - sadly by true
@@crapisnicewhat a collection of misinformation... Tell me any boat that can point better than a modern fin & bulb type monohull...?!
A boat like this can point 30deg either side of 0deg (wind direction) they will track 45deg over the ground due to lateral drift. That means they can traverse any angle from 45deg to 315deg relative to wind.
There is no excuse for their reckless sailing.
Fin keels get a lot of what is called induced drag when going slow versus a long keel......
And so make a lot more leeway when going slow then a long keeled ship......
Dans un premier temps, les autorités portugaises avaient fait part de la découverte de trois victimes sur la plage où le bateau a échoué, et pensaient qu’il n’y avait que trois personnes à bord. Le corps d’une deuxième femme a été trouvé à l’intérieur de l’épave quand les autorités retiraient les débris de l’embarcation d’une des plages de Santa Cruz, dans la municipalité de Torres Vedras située à environ 60 km au nord de Lisbonne ... 🙏😔🙏 ... Trois des victimes, un homme de 56 ans et les deux femmes, âgées de 46 et 61 ans, étaient des ressortissants danois, a précisé le porte-parole, en ajoutant que la nationalité de l’autre victime, un homme de 57 ans, n’était pas connue à ce stade. Le bateau de plaisance avait quitté vendredi matin le port de Peniche situé à une trentaine de kilomètres au nord de Santa Cruz avec trois personnes à bord, et ses occupants ne portaient pas de gilets de sauvetage, ois des victimes, un homme de 56 ans et les deux femmes, âgées de 46 et 61 ans, étaient des ressortissants danois, a précisé le porte-parole, en ajoutant que la nationalité de l’autre victime, un homme de 57 ans, n’était pas connue à ce stade. Le bateau de plaisance avait quitté vendredi matin le port de Peniche situé à une trentaine de kilomètres au nord de Santa Cruz avec trois personnes à bord, et ses occupants ne portaient pas de gilets de sauvetage ...
Tres etrange maniere de suicide
Why did they sail so close to the breakers? Was that intentional? If not, why would they intentionally sail into the surf zone?
What possessed them to leave in conditions like that on a lee shore?
Being on time for ARC organized atlantic crossing ? Not that it justifies dying for that of course.
@@pierrevanhalteren5733
Is this the case, for sure?
I heard from one of the " crew members" before she went there. The boat has been delayed in time due to bad weather and they had to reach " Malaga" quickly as one of the crew members had to go home for 3 weeksv? They where going to stay in Malaga over christmas. A sad loss of a really good friend ! Who ansvered an advertise - where the captain was searching a crew !
@@noasailing27feet
Very sad for your loss of your friend.. Especially sad as it was so unnecessary.. The Skipper has to take the blame.
As a skipper, I have raced with many very good crew who are really good at their roles, but most don't have the broad knowledge and overview of how to control the boat safely in poor conditions. The first thing I do with crew on a sea voyage is make sure the crew are trained to take control of the boat safely, as there is always a possibility a skipper is injured, unconscious, or even lost overboard, so it is essential.
sorry for the deaths.
it looks like an example of "modern" fin keel mono mast sailboats aka SLOOPS that also have difficulty to sail close hauled with coastal waves and beat a lee shore (little sail lift, too much wave drag and tons of displacement) as old square sails.
the lee shore beating strategy is about gaining speed in "beam reach" 90° and progresively reach 50° to the wind and maybe they were underpowered as some people have said here. however this can be probably a case of electric or engine failure and the camera man and people should have called a motorboat to tow the sailboat out of danger or a surfer could have helped them to jump the boat and reach the sand with fenders attached with ropes
i suppose that in this scenario of no return the only option is beaching the boat between wave sets by running full sail and be prepared to jump off the boat with neoprene suit and diving fins. you wont find this in any diploma course or book
People should called for rescue?
Engine failure?
Are you a sailor?
They sent a mayday, but it was too late.
They thought they’re ok, probably.
It was only one failure there, captain fault.
Badly trimmed, not enough sail etc.
But the worse decision we’re when they leave the marina with this forecast.
@@Arthurskipper you cannot rely in over used "rescue" systems, any people in the area should have acted fast and launch few motorboats but this a social (lack of empaty, awareness and commumication exported by arctic people) problem and even that arctic sailor wouldnt even talk with next boat in the marina
@@ArthurskipperBefore entering the breaking waves, would you have set out more sail to gain windward?
I know that it is very difficult to evaluate the captain, but it seems that they were trying to reach the port when they should have headed out to sea. Sorry for the translation.
@@crapisnice wait. You’re complaining about lack of empathy, and launch boats on that location? Listen, I agree with you about some people had lost their empathy, but about the rescue 🛟, we, people who worked with sea rescues or any other kind of rescue, we should see the scene and balance the risks. O. That situation, only helicopter 🚁, and it was getting launched when they capsize. I don’t know if they sent a mayday too late or if the rescue got late, o can tell you is 80% against 20% chances they got late (rescue team).
“Very” Unfortunately, they lost their life’s.
The point is, to loose lifes, they did at least a few very important mistakes, that’s wasn’t the case, because they did a lot of mistakes.
Wasn’t the boat failure, even with no engine, that sailboat can sail away on that’s conditions.
No one will send life’s to save that boat in another boat, maybe swimming, because is more safe, or maybe jet skis. But c’mom no countries can keep jet skis every 5 km of beach line. And no beach rescue 🛟 works on the beach ata that conditions.
My opinion is that they didn’t had skills enough to manage their boat. They’re lucky to get here in Portugal coast, from Denmark 🇩🇰 .
Is this trendy sailing thinghy, who makes anyone “able” to sail, and the money to buy a boat and invite friends to die.
Hire a skipper or become a real captain.
🌬️⛵️🔱
Don’t blame others for their mistakes, please.
If I do a mistake, I will put on the report to the authorities, for sure.
That’s why we prepare the boat, put full tank always etc etc and USE THE LIFE VESTS on this sea conditions.
@@Arthurskipperrescue systems can be over burdened and anyone can call someone to launch a RIB boat wether rescue systems arrive on time or not. people usually dont react because the spectator syndrome besides trusting in the rescue systems, sometimes an "hero" or "fool" appears when the rest only watches
i mean even a surfer can approach them as any baywatch won't, and i still think its an engine problem because these people wouldnt be playing with those big waves rightin frontof them to cut some time, and even lightweight regatta boats struggle with lee shores so probably the waves were pushing them to the coast and they were trying a beam reach to not run the boat to the beach.
they probably died as result of body injuries inside the boat, or drowning easily because of it, they should have left the boat with wetsuits and fences laced with ropes, but there is not any protocol for these situations.
im sorry for the deaths
Why so close to shore, that's the kill zone in such conditions?
Very sad. 4 fatalities
The shame is that boat would have handled that same breaker an even a quarter mile offshore. You can see she doesn’t get capsized by the breaker, but she weathers the breaking wave and tries to right momentarily before her keel strikes the beach and the momentum of the wave drives her under. Boats belong at sea! Not on the beach…
I ain't captain birdseye but even my limited knowledge/experience can see that boat is beam on to massive surf and that ain't no surf board. I was taught two things by a royal marine landing craft coxwain when I did my rib and power courses. 1, Stay away from land in rough seas, and 2, no matter what boat you've got be it power or sail........go nose to the beach and run aground. Live and get another boat. Even knowing this it would be difficult to survive this situation unless expert or lucky. Poor folks.
ALWAYS STAND OFF WELL TO SEAWARD......This is the First Rule of Coastal Navigation.....and even more so on a Lee Shore,or even when the wind is blowing parallel to the coast...The southernmost section of the South African Coast is known as The Graveyard of the Ships. The Old Portuguese Sailors named the southernmost Cape of Africa' Cape Agulhus'...Literally meaning 'Cape of Needles'. Why?? Well the coast is made up of rock layers that have been tilted through 90 degrees,forming sharp needle like projections....Now add to that the Mozambique current flowing over the shallow Agulhas Bank at about a 90 degree angle to the prevailing summer South Easter,forming a Lee shore...which leads to a confused sea,...and presto......you end up shipwrecked with a needle like rock projection right up your dead ass...if you are a lame ass seaman...
That looked really weird, why go along the shore so close to land in these conditions?
I think it could have something to do with the many orca attacks in that specific area so that they were able to get help quick if they were attacked.
not getting any answer.... but the lady on board that lost her life was a former colleague and friend of mine, I'm heartbroken and can't understand it RIP L!
@@JesperMichelsenSorry for the loss..
By looks of it the skipper killed them all. Sailing parallel to the waves, like a surfer waiting for that perfect wave. By the looks of it there were several opportunities to go further out to sea to avoid the risk of breaking coastal waves..
Unfortunately suicide . They know what they do.
I have just read an article on a danish boat site, were a close friend of the skipper tells some thoughts about the accident. For one, four people drowned. 2 men on board were very experienced with this boat in all weather. A Bavaria 38 feet. She tells that the skipper had the idea to not stay father from shore than swimming distance, in case of necessity. Not the best plan, when we see the video. With my limited knowledge I see that the skipper has brought the boat in a very bad situation and had no way out in the end, if not Neptune and the god of fortune had given some rope. Apparently they were unable to gain enough speed to cross the waves more outward. And they were too close to shore to turn the boat for a more favorable wind direction (perhaps). Way to close to shore to make experiments. So practically doomed and best to let the 3 of them make a swim to shore. Apparently they did not put on swimming vest. If true ??? But an obvious cause looks to be that they had no motor help. A situation like sailboats could get into in the times before the motor, with even less chance to navigate as going closer to the wind than a Bavaria can was unlikely. There was no weather forecast or often knowledge about where they were in fog or at night. No wonder a large % of ships then ended up in a ship wreck, as we see an unavoidable fate in this video, comming too close to shore to navigate.
A foresail is very useful in heavy wind or storm. However in this case it looks like it's pushing the prove to hard towards shore ? And would it have been possible to balance the boat better with more maintain up ? Too easy to play clever from the chair. Sorry
And RIP.
Wo Wasser bricht schäumt, Abstand!
Bir teknem yok.
Sadece teorik eğitimim var. Yelkenlileri çok seviyorum. Simulatörlerinde bolca vakit geçiririm.
Ana yelkenin daha büyük, Flokun ise daha küçük açılmasının, yelkenlerin de neredeyse rüzgarda dalgalanacak açıda tekneyi çok yatırmayacak şekilde konumlandırılmasının, rüzgar üstüne yol alabilmeyi kolaylaştıracağını düşünüyorum.
Bu havada çıkmazdım..
Sea is not a playground!!!
Еще и в такой ситуации не надели спас жилеты и вообще остались без шансов. Трагично все вышло.
This does not make sense at all. Did they loose their rudder? Why would you sail in that direction.
No, they didn’t loose their rudder.😢
I don't think he's ever used a boat before everything wrong and nothing right about this
Portugal seas are dangerous 😮
The ocean is dangerous in many places. Many many places.
We were in ROTA when the winds recorded 64kts, lots of headsails were literally ripped off, just stupid behaviour
Obviously no idea at all about sailing or was he ill
Unbelievable stupidity. Almost on the bloody beach, sailing in the troughs, making no effort to get safely out to sea..none...no sympathy for the captain, nothing but sorrow for the passengers.
Likely the engine failed and they're not able to get out to deep water.
The investigation will tell if it was an engine problem or not.
That boat is perfectly capable of heading out to sea in that situation..
For some unknown reason they choose not to?!
Just a note: this is in Santa Cruz, municipality of Torres Vedras (not "pontes").
Praia Azul
Obrigado
What's the matter!!?
@@humbertomonteiro6742 Easy buddy, we should get angry with the captain decisions. Sometimes regretting is too late. My point is the safety analysis. We should learn more or hire a skipper.
O mar não está para brincadeiras, o um cego é que não vê. Pagaram com a morte esta irresponsabilidade. 😢
Diz-se "pagaram com a vida"
Podia estar sem Leme e sem motor ...vc tava lá pra afirmar isso ?
@@mjrsph os idiotas nem salva vidas tinham vestido! Por outro lado, foram avisados para não irem para o mar! O barco ficou desfeito na areia.
Who was sailing that boat so close to the beach?😂
Maybe the owner was sick, and lubbers were left to cope without him?
They were sailing in the surf, poor judgment.
for the sake of 2 tacks...
Só porque têm um veleiro, acham que podem ir para o mar sempre que lhes apetece?
Probably too close to shore because of the orcas.
@@ronschwolsky1626 some people are speculating that. But it isn’t because of that. It was because they have no skills and not able to sail in or keep the course.
It’s very clear they don’t know how to trim the sails properly and keep the course.
Infelizmente morreram 4 pessoas
Sim. Infelizmente.
Poderiam ser poupadas, essa é a análise que gostaria expor. Conscientizar as pessoas da responsabilidade. Caso não tenham, contratarem skippers, existem mais de dois em cada marina. Nós estudamos e praticamos para chegar o mais próximo possível de uma navegação segura.
Esse é o meu ponto 🌬️⛵️🔱
Rip
Do modo onde estavam, era certo dar nisso... péssimo comandante
Bilge Keeler, looks like?
Useless under sail and on a lee sbore.
For God sake, motor out to sea!
This is what happens when you let unskilled people rent boats for the week
They’re owner and friends, 2 couples heading to the ARC regatta start. They’re late for the Start, that’s why the hurry.
Unfortunately,… I hope people can learn this lesson, hire a skipper if you don’t have enough knowledge AND experience (skills)
4 people died. Of respect, you should take down that video! 💔
No. It is not only good but a lesson, for other capitains less experinced, to see that the consecuences of bad call can cost their life and others.
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Clown comment
Narcissitic stupid comment. My friends where having problems.
Their problems started when they decided to ignore the other sailors advertising at the Marina.
Unfortunately we can’t run away from our destiny.
When we take wrong decisions, we can have many problems.
Once out, they should head out before get to the swell. Because Peniche is a shelted place, with no swell from north. They paid with their lives.
😢😢😢😢😢😢
Poor boat 😢🇩🇰
Poor people 🇵🇹
poor idiot and poor people
You never run parallel to big shore waves...