How Good Are Maine Secondaries?
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I love how when there is a new BB we always gotta see and try if secondaries are worth it, "we BB players want push"
As a submarine main I also want you to push
@@kagakai7729 That’s the problem. Literally every class in the game wants BBs to push. If you stay in spawn then the only thing that can shoot at you effectively is heavy cruisers and other BBs.
Carriers want you to push away from your team’s AA and you give them shorter travel distance. Subs want you to push into torpedos. Light cruisers want you to push into their HE spam. DDs want you to push into HE spam and torpedos. You open yourself up to crossfires, etc.
Everything in the game disincentivizes pushing. If you push alone you are immediately the prime target to be farmed.
Unless you can guarantee that you have good support from team mates then you are donating your BB to the enemy team.
As a CV player I also want you to push
bullshit you BB's want islands to hide and space behind the spawn stop the cap!!!
As a player of all classes except subs. I want everyone to push in battle formation because too often when I move up taking initiative I’m all alone.
Life of a BB player
Not pushing: gets shit talk by team for not pushing
Tries to push: gets he spammed to death by some island hugging ship or gets hounded by some cv or gets hounded by some submarine
forgot to add if your push fails for whatever reason then you still get shit talk by team for pushing wrong
Also, your teammates will not support you while you push, but the moment you die, they will then start shooting and push in 1 by 1.
@@Skerra-kk6smYeah, pretty much. Push in with the DDs, get into some shit, all cruisers and DDs pull back and switch to opposite flank where they die alone. You die alone. Everyone is alone. Teamwork sucks.
@@-tr0n It's utterly depressing when you push into a point and you think you have support and then watch all your teammates hold fire if more than one enemy gets spotted while they absolutely shred you.
Makes those extremely rare games when you get a couple players work with you all game that much more special.
@@-tr0n No. Only such team members suck. throw them to your blacklist.
In memory of Worcester guy, may he live on in our hearts! In memoriam can I request a full AA build Worcester build?
Worchester guy on alt be like:
@@eri3726 literally man. :D Guy thinks he's funny, but it's lame.
If you want to know why he doesn't make a video on it. It's usually because he tries it on stream then it goes something like this. No cv game, (which basically makes those aa plane skill just a waste) no cv game, no cv game, cv avoids him, no cv game, eventually sbmm throws him a curveball and a unicum cv player comes along that totally curb stomps him anyways because of how busted AA works sometimes but takes 45 planes with him while being harassed and tortured for the whole game on top of spotting while also getting screwed out of a good game making him lucky if he pushes it past 80k while facing the might of a concentrated fleet flinging buildings worth of steel ap with explosives further reinforcing that Worcester aa builds aren't so worth it anymore
Flamuu just done wooster video
Flamuu has done a few Worchester vids of late. I kinda like that ship. Used it to grind Halsey recently for the fire rate and was surprised how good it was.
20:30 that Yamato didn’t get citadelled - and don’t call me Shirley 😀
I've had a theory for a while that WG protects bad players so the good ones have more incentive to spend money. That or they just may their games so frustrating that p2w seems more reasonable to people.
Playing a Yamato, get spanked with many citadels on the cheeks.
Shooting full broadside Yamato, zero citadels
@@peepsy1528very popular tinfoil conspiracy
That has been our experience for a few weeks now as well. Virtually every single game is the same thing: HE spam from behind islands, torp hell from every direction, you can't punish ships showing you full broadside, subs are no better than before, CV planes hitting you 3 times in 30 seconds, and most ships are so passive they just shoot from 20+km away. It has made the game boring and frustrating. I miss the brawling style battles!
subs are crap now if you get within 5 km you die stop the cap
@@aussieaussieaussie8754your lying through your teeth
i miss the day before cv rework
Spend more time adapting and less time whining
I never said our clan couldn't adapt, I just said that the game has become boring and frustrating this past year. @@timothymorgan8254
As a huge fan of Montana, This is one of the very few superships I'll probably get. I have only Annapolis (I should have gotten Condé).
What's even crazier is that the first three fires were set each by a shell from the same second turret. Literally 1 shell 1 fire.
iirc, NA is actually the least passive server, followed by EU, and then finally SEA is almost entirely passive
He really did it, secondary build Maine... What a madman!
Supership tier list video when?
Day 1 of asking PQ to do a supership tier list
Supership tier list: Superships shouldn't exist
@@j_Snow All true, but we all know wargaming needed an excuse to put an even more op kremlin in the game, or an even more forgiving republiqué, or an even more annoying des moines, or an even bigger damage sponge then preussen and so on
@@gabrielantonio92mate kremlin hasnt been op in a while and ushakov isnt that strong either
1: Fatsuma
2: Condé or Annapolis or your preferred DD
3: Save your credits.
24:00 bro, imagine if you had furious
IF YOU ARE USED TO PLAYING BB GERMANY AND FIND YOUR ENEMY GIVES YOU A FULL BROADSIDE AND GET NOTHING THAT'S USUAL FOR US 😂
WG should just do us all a favor and remove BBs from the game since they've turned into nothing more than farm-able XP / credit cows. And PQ, the only US BB in the game worth doing secondary build is the Ohio. The Maine is a pure sniper, a brawler it is not. Not with a citadel that is 3 meters above the water.
furious has to got be a must-have on this ship with that funny button
yeah its a no brainer i think, secondaries are always fun tho
So I was away from the game for like 2 years, came back this January and I grinded the Puerto Rico when it came only to suffer a bit of a disappointment cause I saw it a bit lacking compared to my Alaska at tier9 last week I gave pr a try again and I'm enjoying it so much, didn't remember the ap doing this much damage to angled ships
US AP is amazing. Those pen angles and the damage.....truly dispensing freedom with every salvo.
I feel like unless you are pushing and expecting to get relit a lot, the combat instructions should be used on those single fires that you usually let burn out in case you get double lit. Thoughts?
Single fires can be healed through as the dmg is fully repairable.
I think the gimmick would do well with more than a single fire, which can't be healed through without losing more HP than you heal from them (I know all fire dmg is repairable, but multi fire does more dmg than you heal with a single heal).
Multi fire + gimmick + furious would be fun to see, though
You can really just use it to tank more fires in any way since you can rotate it with dcps especially closer distance fights where you hit more shells. Dcp - f-key - recharge everything while healing - repeat. I think using an ohio-style zombie-build with the aa skill that gives you 50% boost on consumables might be interesting as well.
The Furious/SHAP combo seems like an interesting one to me.
edit: You knew that Satsuma would be looking for you at that range.
Is this your new Maine BB? Do you suggest using Mainely secondaries? Picking on the enemies seems a bit inhuMaine.
Now we need Super Ohio with 12 457s and improved accuracy on secondaries
a man can dream
The irony of the rage quit near the end of the video, is that at 12:46 PQ nuked a Cruiser at 18.5km that was basically on the other flank less than 3 minutes into the battle, and was perfectly okay with this. Even though that fully ruined the experience of that Cruiser. Meanwhile PQ's lack of cits on the Yamato that still did over 20k damage didn't insta delete the Yamato so PQ rages about how ships need to have more vulnerable cits.
Funny how at 16:15 he didn't also go on that rant, because the red Satsuma didn't just nuke him out of the game. Or you know at 14:00 when he basically sailed flat broadside to an Iowa and didn't get punished, instead admitting he wasn't worried about the Iowa.
It's almost as if PQ only has a problem with things not getting deleted when it's things he's shooting at, and if he had been punished the way he wants in the instances I listed, he'd likely complain that it's bad game design.
"If they die, its a skill issue on their end. If I die, Then its everyone but my fault."
That’s just RNG in a nutshell tho. I complain too if a broadside target doesn’t get deleted.
The same way i shut my mouth when i get lucky and get away being broadside to BB and not get punished.
Pretty much this!
I do agree that the ending was a bit dramatic given how from our pov the session was fairly decent all things considered. However on the shots you talk about. The full hp cruiser kill to start the match. It's like the grand slam for bb players and is far from common place unless the red player's brain turns off after getting spotted and they sail straight. So naturally PQ is pretty pumped about hitting the shot. the Yamato was at 12.5km and basically flat broadside when PQ fired. With those Monty guns I too would usually expect a cit or two on the Yammy. the Iowa that was at 20km+ at most could get a few full pens on him at that range as is lacks the pen to get into the cit. so with 80k hp the Iowa is a non factor for him pushing. 30k from the Satsuma is also a fairly standard result for the shot it took without the funny button. It can be hard to not get a little lost in the salt mines when rng doesn't go your way and so PQ like many of us gripes when things don't go his way and cheers when they do. Just my thoughts on it.
I don't read into it too much. I think he's just a frustrated player who probably plays this game way too much and gets rubbed the wrong way by the meta. Then when good opportunities don't pan out, it's easy to get tilted by the whole experience.
Personally, I'm more ok with the RNG of the game because I think it better reflects real life and I want to pretend I'm in a giant ship, not having hyper-responsive professional gameplay where you want every move to pan out as you planned, etc.
These damn superships
PQ: Secondaries go!
Secondaries: Pew Pew!
Soyuz HE Salvo: WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOMEEEEE
I think the best build is where you replace those secondary skills with improved repair party readiness and furious. Gives you an extra heal and faster heals. Furious synergizes with the F key.
He did it yesterday.
Players "we want to push and have fun!" Wargaming - Got it, cruisers with 47% fire chance and smoke, lets add 5 new ones. players - uninstalling. Wargaming - Why is everyone leaving.
19:24 I just want to know why you did not turn while acknowledging those torpedoes were probably for you? Love your channel so I just subbed.
yeah im stumped by that too, i suppose he didnt care coz its only halland torps and they do awful dmg
So will the Maine only be available in this auction or will it eventually just be added as a standard super ship
it will be standard in the next patch
@@keykei2 She will be available for purchase in update 13.4
Added as a super ship like the rest as part of the tech tree. WG is milking money/resources from players with some early FOMO. No idea when it will come out to everyone.
@@Swarm509 yeah thats what i was expecting tbh , i dont know why people want to spend so much money on ships that in a month you can get for a fraction of the price , same goes for all the early access shit they keep doing , spending IRL money to get line ships is insane
did he ever say what the range was on the secondaries? or reload time, fire chance, or any type of improved aiming on this ship like the ohio?
Dude its standard monty values with faster reload because its jinan's autoloading 127s range is standard 11km max. Tbh loisiana sec build is better and it actually does work thx 9 guns firing out of 10 to the left side
Cannot wait for asym to come back so I could use this and solo an entire flank.
Its a Montana thats built for midrange fighting. It's probably got amazing AA protection but that would require CV's in every game.
That last game would have been nice to see what 4 fires would do on reload with the furious skill 😅
Today must be National Spam HE Day
PQ has done numerous videos saying good it is......
What would you think about removing concealment and manual secondary for CQC, super heavy ap and increase fire chance?
25:00: LOL. I don't know how you keep your cool.
he turned into their whole team without any spotting support, I'd just be pissed at myself for doing something so silly so in essence you are correct lol
the ship on quad fire while secondaries are blasting two ships & the main guns smash that hindenburg is hard as fuck
Major rule for BBs: Do not try to push, unless your flank is secured or half of the enemy team is dead.
As a main Mecklenburg player, I can feel the frustration. I tried every possible build on this ship, but still the full secondary build is the most successful, not because of the pushing, aggressive play ability, but because of the better AA defense and the better DD defense and the better kiting ability.
12.5km is the death zone when ships come close, when you are in a defensive stance.
Aggressive BBs are mostly early sunk these days. If there is a sub on your side, just change side. There is a great chance, the sub is coming only for you and if you are bow on to the enemy you are dead.
Subs do what they want to other ships and it is almost impossible to get them, WHEN they are smart enough to NOT ping and your own sub player dumb enough to NOT use its sub detection.
Ships like the Maine w/o any kind of reconnaissance are NOT able to defend themselves w/o the help of ships that are able to clear subs/DDs.
So you are just a damage farm for everyone in the game.
I had games, with the Meckle, where pretty much everyone from across the map were shooting at me, instead the open DDs or cruiser who were much closer to the enemy.
The bigger, the easier, the more damage to farm.... that is how the game works today.
Btw will the new eula war gaming pushed go against your hud mods?
With the floatyness of the shells you should be aiming lower in the water than you are for most shots. You will not get citadels unless your shells land a bit lower (against battleships). Aim it like an AP Des Moines and you will see better results.
It might be a new ship but it's Iowa/Montana guns and I think they've been severely power crept. I don't think the USA 16 inch shells have enough pen for the current state of the game. Insufficient overmatch and a lack of pen, as well as poor ballistics. Not a good thing.
This thing seems like a tier 10.5 in a game when we have tier 12 and 13 superships.
Yeah that's the thing, Maine (and Montana/Iowa) guns have the worst BB AP penetration at T10 and T12. (At least for real BB's with 406 mm and larger guns. Burger and other fake BB's are still worse of course.) Even slight angles are enough to shatter Monty AP.
For example, Yamato main belt armor, when 90 degrees flat broadside, is still immune to Montana AP outside of ~16.5 km. You can still citadel it through the cheek or angled part of the deck (both of which are thinner than the main belt) but trying to hit those specific parts outside 16 km is purely RNG.
So yeah, that Yamato at a 60 degree angle at 11.7 km and the Soyuz at a 50 degree angle at 13.5 km are still enough to shatter Monty AP.
What do you think Maine is better then Satsuma?
I mean, those ships were angled pretty good at the end when you look at the map.
Going to need those secondaries to counter the Cuban frog men coming in to plant demo charges.
I'll have to re-do Halsey when it comes available in the tech tree, dont have the credits to get in now
How to figure out which ship has improved secondary accuracy?
I just wait for PQ to say so in his videos, or try it out myself
We feel your pain brother. Don't stress it. This game really only supports CVs and Subs these days. The good ole days of Surface ships brawling and kicking each others butts is long gone. That's why a lot of folks crave Airship escort. Bring back the feel of "Old WoWs"
WG: "Aviere, we are nerfing you multiple times. Benham & Kamikazee, all good. Nothing to see here. Move along."
what kind of sound mod are you using? it sounds very cool when you get a hit
its part of the super battleships
Wow that last game. Didn't realize monty guns are so bad. Shatters shatters shatters.
Well there’s a difference in the dispersion and the sigma (vertical dispersion). Since it has 16 guns, it would make sense that they nerf it somewhat.
@@Extracord he was referencing the shatters which is either related to where PQ shot on the ship or the lack of pen on the guns rather than the 16 guns being nerfed.
24:28 "I'm such a good gamer/entertainer that said skills can provide for me as a main income, also I play basically stationary in the middle of the map and call the game dissapointing after getting torped to death"
17:52 "I *kind of* messed it up"
Said the full time professional pixelboat gamer after a yolocharge straight into enemy crossfire
Yep my dear - you definitively messed it up
Edit:
>gets 20k on a broadside baBBy with moderate caliber & sub-par dispersion guns
>still complains
>not even blaming PQ, since this game surfaces some rather bad attributes in anyone who plays it for a longer time
Furious + gimmick potential? Multi fire / flood and go pew pew when brawling?
Yea, it may be yolo, but i bet you'd be 1 hell of a threat to anything remotely within 12km. May be fun to see just for the lol's
16 16" guns that can't citadel broadside ships, great ship!
10:10 maybe aim low instead of high because the hull will drift towards you as he initiates a turn
Just curious what is your avg game? I've been in some matches with you that were far from the ones in the videos you post.
Well, that's the point of HIGHlights, right? The best performance is the most interesting. Otherwise who would've watch it? Channel wouldn't grow like this etc. Saying that, PQ is a very solid player, but still human and won't have 100% win rate, 200k+ every game with a kraken. Not sure why does it all have to be explained...
@@sLim88CPC Seems like you need an explanation...It's called mathematics, a bell curve. Put simply the middle is average, to the left is below average, to the right is above average. Without a HIGH there would be no low or in-between. Therefore, it's interesting to know the full picture. I hope that helps you.
This game has become very inconsistent on shell damage, penetration, and citadels. We are really seeing this dynamic in clan battles. Now in random battles I have had 3 subs and a carrier multiple times. I have also had strange matches coming out of MM, like 6x6. I wasn't in quote long and it was late afternoon.
Will this ship eventually be at the end of the tech line or is it only going to be available on auctions
It’ll be a super ship in the tech tree.
It is crazy how the meta current meta is forcing dd to be the most viable surface ship, in a way it parallels real life
I still say Satsuma is the only super BB worth the credits. This looks awesome and it would probably be a blast in asymmetric but randoms aren’t the place for battleships anymore.
What about the Hannover? Crazy good in Asymmetric Battles.
what a good looking ship
why is every ship in this game now quadruple gun ships?
This game would be infinitely better if random battles were 9v9 instead of 12v12. Players would actually be able to push, BBs could have fun, DDs and Cruisers could play a lot more tactical, Double CV wouldn't have to be a thing, things like Krakens would be more meaningful and just overall it wouldnt be as messy.
Secondary Worcester build when?
I really want superships to be made semi premium in that commanders can be moved to them for free.
Here it is
Some games you're bug, some games you're the windshield. RNG baby !!
Don't blame the game that you didn't remember the Benham. That's your job as the player to keep that sort of stuff in mind. You even run the mod that shows the ship names of each side so the bad is on you, not the game.
Do these guns have the same pen as monty? I guess us super heavy AP shells are super sus.
Only US heavy cruisers get super heavy AP, while bbs get "standard" ammo
Yes. Their problem isn't really penetration, it's their flight trajectory. They plunge in at a high angle, resulting in them not being able to punch through to citadels of battleships.
Wow, seems like a Super BB with an identity crisis. GJ Weegee 😮💨
And that last game is why I haven't played in 3 weeks.
4:52 guess the Sastuma wasn't broadside enough to try :D
Quick question, does anyone actually grind out a whole branch from I - X? From what I've seen it probably takes like 3 months(for one branch)?
con premiun menos puedes en 4 semanas
I've played 8 battles with Maine so far but honestly I'm disappointed, I like the Montana much more. I prefer 4 shells less but 5 seconds faster reload and little better Sigma too. Also the ship is smaller and more manoeuvrable. The funny button on Maine also feels like it's available often too late, takes long to become active. Also the costs and credits isn't worth it. tbh I don't like playing super ships at all in general, only a few DDs so far are fun for me (class I like the most) but also not play it often too (because costs again...) :(
You getting a lot of people focusing on you since your a new ship?
Every now and then i get these videos to pop up on my feed and after i watch im so relieved i dont play this silly game anymore
Satsuma: Overpens a lot
Hannover: Hit hard only if you hit
Devastation: What is AP?
Ushakov: Bruh
Patrie/Maine: Hit hard, just not much better as we expect anyway
Jesus we really need a normal and reasonable one, no matter it's super ship or not😮💨
I don't get the point of worrying about getting citadel hits when your still ripping a massive chunk of health out of a broadside target.
PQ makes such great content
Potato: -Pushes solo into multiple cross-fires, gives free broadside.
-"This game is so disappointing to play these days."
Port side firing with Louisiana - best US BB for secondaries.
Best US BB for secondaries? Whaaaaaa
@@Jumka Firing to port only! You get nine turrets that can aim in that direction. 18 accurate and rapidly firing 5inch secondaries. Mixed with its hard hitting mains and its ability to spot with its own planes, it is a really solid ship. Armor is good too.
you forgot to talk about the secondaries performance lol
bc he barely got to use them lmao
Try play Pommern in this meta 😆... tell me how well that went? .... Pommern is irrelevant and should be removed/lowered to tier 7 or get seriously buffed....
Regarding HE, I think thats a real eu server thing, you can't expect paying 12year olds (they have access to parents credit card, so they have to serve them) to know what aim is, so HE is the only way to go..and feels like HE is super buffed, even a missed shot from the enemy makes my ship burst in flames 🤷🏼
It's a shame they didn't give those secondaries their irl reload. They were designed to fire every 1.5 seconds, but downgraded to around 2.1 seconds on the production models.
Why sometime the damage is red? And sometime is yellow?
Small damage number is yellow and big damage number is red
Ppl like Loki-2015 (A-lining HE yamato) are not only walking among us
they are also allowed to vote
and even worse
to breed
They should have called it the USS Gordita
This ship is huge, FDR torps on it💀💀💀
The Asia server is uber passive. Incredibly frustrating at times.
There are plenty superships nowadays for you to talk about each category: destroyers, cruisers and battleships. Tierlist video when?
Can someone explain me wtf ls going on with the worcester guy?
No
can you also show wich mods you use on wows with options next time pls ?
Even the Patrie shooting at PQ was missing shots on either side and doing no damage. This is why I hardly play anymore, they destroyed BBs ability to do massive damage which is why they are in the game.. they always nerf any cruiser or BB when they become slightly competitive but just leave subs alone even though they are outright OP. rip
Meanwhile on Pensacola : Dude where is my turret
also is the slot 6 secondary module not that good ?
He yammy ? only if you shoot dds
With my experience with Wargaming games is that they purposely program their games to hate veteran and experienced players in favor for newer players.
Isn't that the cat turret?
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if only weegee understood (game fun = more players = more money) but I guess its not about fun or money
PQ has one fun condition: pushing in a secondary BB & shooting AP at everything forever. He has no appreciation for anything else in WoWs.
Lord forbid he has the most fun with one of the most skillful parts of the game, someone ban him plz
Also if you've seen his good dd and cruisers games/stats as well you'd be able to know he has fun it's just so unengaging to have it be denied because of cvs and subs
i mean it's kinda why i installed the game in the first place... shame it doesn't play out very often.
to short range of this secendary like on ohio, it shuold be 12 or 12.5 km to be efective :/
AA and ASW are surface ships primary concerns right now. Play Worcester, or other AA platforms, got all in on that and airstrike. Make CVs and subs miserable until they stop playing them.
100% realistic ship
Frankly speaking, I get more citadels with my Colombo. 🤔
I have an average 10-15 citadels per game.
"damn BBs really suffer, gotta take damage for the team :("
BBS really suffer like, what can you do against cruisers? NOTHING because they will just dodge your shells! and when you hit them you wont get citadels.
Wargaming makes it that the shells overpen because bbs need to be bad
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