Indeed! Great interview. It is clear that Dr. Delany is not just a scholar, but a warm, kind, sincere, thoroughly pleasant, honest person, with a good mind, and clear insights born of good historical research. She has the wonderful manners of a bygone generation. It's too bad we don't have more people like her, today.
I'm still loving these CA Focus podcast! Cy...I love how you ever so politely, challenge her with questions! I'm not quite sure if your always in agreement! I think it's kind of neat how she gained a relationship with Christopher...and she is willing to defend his honor! Thank you again! 🌷
I just ordered this lady's book on the Om-ah-Don. And it near sickens me to realize that objective scholarship with regard to Columbus is pretty much disallowed, save for here. Well, just read the comments ---
Logistical thing about the water vs land route, it’s basically 12x cheaper to float your goods places instead of taking it by land, especially if you can avoid the tariffs levied by other nations and those which are hostile to you. A large part of Europe’s push to go around Africa was because. Venice had maintained a strangle hold on Mediterranean trade, and African kings were happy to sell their Prisoners of Wars and other captures into slavery so it was kind of a win win.
The Indian Nation website had first hand reports of Columbus which never mentioned Jerusalem and which I copied and saved on my computer. But that has been deleted from the site now.
I hope the next time the news chooses to have a debate with the Indians of this time or people of this time that have A family history, or have rewritten the story. I would pray to God that your work, and your book and a debate can be had about the truth. I only know a few anthropologists that actually deal with religious history or Anthropologie. And do it with respect I am grateful
I don't think this video addresses the hard questions. For example, the forced labor encomienda system Columbus established wasn't addressed. Neither was the multiple shipments of slaves back to Spain (he sent at least 5 shipments). And neither was his seeming approval of the trafficking of young girls which he writes about in one of his own letters (here is the quote: "there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand. An for all ages a good price must be paid). I am not a Columbus basher. I just don't want us to be on the wrong side of this one just because he was a Catholic.
Jerry Tang the Indian tribes were at war with each other while the ones in Central America and South America were sacrificing humans. Thank God for colonialism 😎👍🏻
Columbus deep inside was a good man however the genocide committed by his men against the indigenous can't be ignored. As a catholic I wonder if he should be honored with a statue.
@@ralph7545 : I don't think you listened to this... "... his men..." But he did not chose the men, the queen sent them. He asked for priests to be sent.
@@ralph7545 They were not "his" men. He was resented by the crew because he was Italian and they were all Spanish. They sabotaged him and tried to get him removed so they could take his position. They also resented him for trying to restrain them against taking advantage of the childlike and innocent Tainos. Eventually, some of his commandants mutineered setting up a separate camp where the cruelties occurred. Part of the documentation of his alleged cruelties that were sent to Spain were actually their own doings attributed to him with the intent of having him removed. He was imprisoned and eventually exonerated and released.
More propaganda to erase what catholics have done to indigenous peoples, jews, africans and other christians (protestants). Not to mention child abuse. You guys are something else
How did the book of Isaiah influence his journey? Also Isabella accepted Columbus plans at the retreat house in Córdoba which was built because of the original Pieta carved by st Luke in Ephesus. That’s another wild circumstance.
I only wish he had asked the professor about the origins of the slander being thrown at Columbus these days. When did they begin, and who fabricated them? They are saying the very same things about Junipero Serra, founder of the California Missions. I don't think they are recent fabrications, but think they have been circulating in the public schools for a long time.
No. While he was away the men he left behind took over a village, forced the men to work themes for gold and used the women. They lived like royalty. Eventually they went too far and the natives rebelled and killed them. However, Guacanagari apologized for the deeds of the other tribe.
As a Catholic with a conscience and some knowledge of history and a Latin American studies minor, Christopher Columbus (Cristobol Colon) is not somebody I look up to and I don't think it should be a national holiday. I'd rather be a servant of Las Casas than a knight of Columbus IT IS CONCERNING THAT THIS HISTORIAN DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT COLUMBUS IN CHAINS
You should take a walk in Mexico or Colombia and count native americal looking people on the streets, and then take a walk in US. THEN let me know if Spain exterminated the natives or the Brits and US did. THank!
Yeah, actually, it is. Before the fighting broke out, Columbus afforded several natives legal protection from future colonists via the baptism loophole. This demonstrates that he did not premeditate a campaign of slavery, and wanted them to be free ( at least before the conflict). The extent to which he did participate in enslaving people, was in response to massacres against his men from tribes he knew to be much more hostile than the Tainos whom he allied - tribes such as the Caribs, whose slaves he liberated on more than one occasion. Not a saint, but not a monster.
I took AP world history this past year and have taken multiple college classes as a high schooler learning about our history. I have read over 1000 letters and transcript, and every one of colobus’ letters. It’s insane to see how ignorant my fellow catholics are. I don’t blame you though, some people don’t have the privilege of taking multiple college leveled courses taught with a different perspective of history, especially her European washed side. The history that she is teaching us us what I learned in my catholic school and it’s disheartening to see.
Enlighten us? You read his letters what did they say? What of we read your texts would we deem you good or bad? Attack on Columbus precedes an attack on The Church. Did you study the Bolsheviks as well?
Oh wow, better watch out! This kid took AP WORLD HISTORY!! 'Fellow Catholics"?? Did you even watch the video?? Not only did she say she was not Catholic, but she also said she doesn't WANT to become a Catholic!!
That’s taken out of context What Columbus wrote was these people would make good servants of God which actually is a complement to them as humans and the opposite of what your imply.. His words are frequently misquoted or a based on a biography written by an enemy .
What Columbus alleged said was "dever ser buenos s[er]uidores y de buē ingenio," which means "they must be good servants and of good wit." The problem here is the brackets surrounding the "er" in "seruidores," as if the person who copied Columbus' diary wasn't sure what was said, and simply filled in the blank. "Servents" wouldn't be "seruidores," but "servidores." The "u" isn't in question, though, and there's no "u" in "servidores." A similar word, however, would be "seguidores," which fits with the "u," the assumed letters, _and_ the context of the following part, where Columbus talks about how he sees the natives becoming Christian because they don't appear to have a religion.
Guess who was a noted and highly regarded historian ? Ferdinand Columbus : The son of Christopher Columbus. Guess who wrote the biography that is the source material for Christopher Columbus's misdeeds ? Yes, it was Ferdinand Columbus . Now, before you go of the rails to defend Christopher Columbus and claim that Ferdinand hated his father , let me put that to rest immediately. Ferdinand was grateful and humble and appreciated his wealth and position that was afforded to him by virtue of being his father's son. Also, Ferdinand was given lots of money and power by his father . There is no evidence to prove that Ferdinand hated his father. The evidence proves quite the opposite. They had a great relationship.
You say he was a friend of the natives? He popularized the use of attack dogs. Especially on children. He was a horrible force to not only the Taino but many nations of the Caribbean. One cannot be delusional of history
Are you guys serious, you think it will stop with statues? Here is some real advice for us Catholics and Christian's alike, PRAY AND FAST. Get right with God, because they will be at your door and mine soon...
Im a historian and soon to be Catholic. Baptized people could not be enslaved (in Spanish territory) True. So care to tell us why Columbus was not eager to have the natives Baptized? For which he was critisised by many Churchmen. I could go on... Columbus treated the natives as almost sub human. His men did worse. I would be terribly ashamed if I were him. Not even his own family could deny it.
Cy, with all love and respect, Dr. Delaney is WAY more Catholic at heart than you seem to be! Christopher Columbus was a godly man with a burning fire and zeal for the salvation of souls, and she saw it clearly as a result of her honest quest for truth. Mama Mary, may we all see the greatness of this man of God!
More propaganda to erase what catholics have done to indigenous peoples, jews, africans and other christians (protestants). Not to mention child abuse. You guys are something else
Cy, the evidence for CC having been Genovese is as weak as the one for his Spanish or Portuguese origin... it is an accepted mith that he was italian and as many of our protestant brothers and sisters cling to miths about Catholicism we should not fall in that trap and try to be as objective as possible
@@franklinhidalgo3683 What makes you think CC was not from Genoa, Italy? Dr. Delaney says that he was. How does his place of birth please the Protestants?
Christopher Columbus was never honored by Americans because he was a great guy and a good Catholic-he was honored as a symbol of European colonial expansion, or, for “discovering America” and helping to create a great nation (however you choose to think of it). Americans have always honored what Columbus represents rather than who he was as a man. Similarly, those who want an end to Columbus Day and his commemoration through monuments oppose what Columbus represents to Americans. You can’t celebrate Columbus’ “discovery of America” while acknowledging that the conquest of North America resulted in genocide. There is nothing Christian in that. Whether or not Columbus was a good guy is a moot point.
Same old skewed history without broad perspective (and ignoring the right CORRECTIVES she gives). And you can't claim disease as a part of said genocides, since no one had the faintest knowledge of microbiology at the time (so as to use it as a weapon). Many of the "native" peoples in North, Central, and South America were involved in various genocides (some included cannibalism). Even the Iroquois Nation had a "submit or die/be enslaved" policy to other tribes where they wished to expand their power. ...I could go on and on. The fact is the whole world has been full of conflict from the beginning. Tribal societies never lack warriors to defend themselves, or to attack others they oppose. The more victories the get, the more powerful they.become, the larger they grow.... So on, and do forth. Obviously, developing technologically can play a major role in success and dominance, as well, whether it's the wheel, iron, the phalanx, or gun powder.
By the way, Jessica, he is also celebrated as an explorer; but never by Americans as the founder of a nation, since he did not do that. And even in the plains, there is archaeological evidence of at least occassional genocidal warfare between tribes (or at least one tribe upon another). Should we bring up cannibalism, including over 100 Spaniards (families) taken in by natives in Mexico, provided rooms with guards, and plenty of food,...and then sacrificed and eaten over months (men, women, children). Even when they figured out what was happening, all they could do was wait in fear and terror for the day of their sacrifice. Ever read about Iroquois torture techniques? How about THEIR cannibalism of enemies? How about other genocidal wars,...say, between tribes in areas in and around Florida?
I'm not gonna view him as a hero, I don't care if he's Christian. I'm not wasting time thinking he's a villain either. God has judged him and that's good enough for me considering he died so long ago. I'm not gonna go on thinking he was merely looking for friends on a voyage that was being used to make himself rich and powerful either. When you lead men your responsible for their action's.
@@jerrytang3146 by then i was judged by the only one that matters. To often we get confused about what matters. Just because he wore monk clothing doesn't make him a Saint. Been enough church scandals to prove otherwise. If baptism was such and important thing he could've spent time baptizing instead of personal glory. It's like trying to say the Vatican wasn't helping Nazi's escape Europe. History can only protect for so long. I don't understand why an alt account was needed for your reply.
Yes, he was a monster. Why would Catholic Answers take on the dumbest position possible. Howard Zinns A people's history of the US. Read it and weep...literally
Howard Zinn was an ideological hatchetman, who has been found out time and again "splicing" sources into supposedly damning quotes and he did this with Columbus.
Indeed! Great interview. It is clear that Dr. Delany is not just a scholar, but a warm, kind, sincere, thoroughly pleasant, honest person, with a good mind, and clear insights born of good historical research. She has the wonderful manners of a bygone generation. It's too bad we don't have more people like her, today.
Well said... I agree!
I'm still loving these CA Focus podcast! Cy...I love how you ever so politely, challenge her with questions! I'm not quite sure if your always in agreement! I think it's kind of neat how she gained a relationship with Christopher...and she is willing to defend his honor! Thank you again! 🌷
Wonderful! Thank you for this, couldn’t have come at a better time. Definitely gonna pick up her book!
Best discussion and education all in one. Thank you.
What an enlightening discussion and a charming anthropologist. Everyone needs to know this.
Very Nice . Very Interesting . Very balanced. thank-you Catholic Answers
I just ordered this lady's book on the Om-ah-Don.
And it near sickens me to realize that objective scholarship with regard to Columbus is pretty much disallowed, save for here.
Well, just read the comments ---
Thank you for this!
It would be terrific if she could write on Junipero Serra. ❤
Logistical thing about the water vs land route, it’s basically 12x cheaper to float your goods places instead of taking it by land, especially if you can avoid the tariffs levied by other nations and those which are hostile to you. A large part of Europe’s push to go around Africa was because. Venice had maintained a strangle hold on Mediterranean trade, and African kings were happy to sell their Prisoners of Wars and other captures into slavery so it was kind of a win win.
The Indian Nation website had first hand reports of Columbus which never mentioned Jerusalem and which I copied and saved on my computer. But that has been deleted from the site now.
Thank you for the video
Great interview!
People must be educated, they are a lot of Good resource for this matter
Awesome lady ❤️
Very interesting.
Thank you
What evidence is there of Columbus becoming a monk? Can’t seem to find any? Please send me a link if anyone finds it
I hope the next time the news chooses to have a debate with the Indians of this time or people of this time that have A family history, or have rewritten the story. I would pray to God that your work, and your book and a debate can be had about the truth. I only know a few anthropologists that actually deal with religious history or Anthropologie. And do it with respect I am grateful
I don't think this video addresses the hard questions.
For example, the forced labor encomienda system Columbus established wasn't addressed. Neither was the multiple shipments of slaves back to Spain (he sent at least 5 shipments). And neither was his seeming approval of the trafficking of young girls which he writes about in one of his own letters (here is the quote: "there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand. An for all ages a good price must be paid).
I am not a Columbus basher. I just don't want us to be on the wrong side of this one just because he was a Catholic.
Read the next sentences of that quote. He was COMPLAINING about it.
Columbus was an EXPLORER.
And the people who pulled down his statue are worse than the native Indians who showed him love.
Jerry Tang the Indian tribes were at war with each other while the ones in Central America and South America were sacrificing humans.
Thank God for colonialism 😎👍🏻
Columbus deep inside was a good man however the genocide committed by his men against the indigenous can't be ignored. As a catholic I wonder if he should be honored with a statue.
@@ralph7545 :
I don't think you listened to this...
"... his men..."
But he did not chose the men, the queen sent them. He asked for priests to be sent.
@@ralph7545 They were not "his" men. He was resented by the crew because he was Italian and they were all Spanish. They sabotaged him and tried to get him removed so they could take his position. They also resented him for trying to restrain them against taking advantage of the childlike and innocent Tainos. Eventually, some of his commandants mutineered setting up a separate camp where the cruelties occurred. Part of the documentation of his alleged cruelties that were sent to Spain were actually their own doings attributed to him with the intent of having him removed. He was imprisoned and eventually exonerated and released.
More propaganda to erase what catholics have done to indigenous peoples, jews, africans and other christians (protestants). Not to mention child abuse. You guys are something else
How did the book of Isaiah influence his journey? Also Isabella accepted Columbus plans at the retreat house in Córdoba which was built because of the original Pieta carved by st Luke in Ephesus. That’s another wild circumstance.
I only wish he had asked the professor about the origins of the slander being thrown at Columbus these days. When did they begin, and who fabricated them? They are saying the very same things about Junipero Serra, founder of the California Missions. I don't think they are recent fabrications, but think they have been circulating in the public schools for a long time.
Did his men go an attack the enemy of his ally? While Christopher was away?
No. While he was away the men he left behind took over a village, forced the men to work themes for gold and used the women. They lived like royalty. Eventually they went too far and the natives rebelled and killed them. However, Guacanagari apologized for the deeds of the other tribe.
Another book to get, Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem
Interesting discussions going on in chat. I'll trust a Christian's point of view before trusting a left's point of view.
Those aren't mutually exclusive
Unholier Than Thou yes they are
So believing superstition of Christianity is okay
As a Catholic with a conscience and some knowledge of history and a Latin American studies minor, Christopher Columbus (Cristobol Colon) is not somebody I look up to and I don't think it should be a national holiday.
I'd rather be a servant of Las
Casas than a knight of Columbus
IT IS CONCERNING THAT THIS HISTORIAN DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT COLUMBUS IN CHAINS
@ 6:05 "When they got to the queen they were all baptized. Baptized peoples cannot be enslaved." Chee how nice!
You should take a walk in Mexico or Colombia and count native americal looking people on the streets, and then take a walk in US. THEN let me know if Spain exterminated the natives or the Brits and US did. THank!
Yeah, actually, it is. Before the fighting broke out, Columbus afforded several natives legal protection from future colonists via the baptism loophole. This demonstrates that he did not premeditate a campaign of slavery, and wanted them to be free ( at least before the conflict).
The extent to which he did participate in enslaving people, was in response to massacres against his men from tribes he knew to be much more hostile than the Tainos whom he allied - tribes such as the Caribs, whose slaves he liberated on more than one occasion. Not a saint, but not a monster.
Woe unto those who call evil good so history is all liés
I took AP world history this past year and have taken multiple college classes as a high schooler learning about our history. I have read over 1000 letters and transcript, and every one of colobus’ letters. It’s insane to see how ignorant my fellow catholics are. I don’t blame you though, some people don’t have the privilege of taking multiple college leveled courses taught with a different perspective of history, especially her European washed side. The history that she is teaching us us what I learned in my catholic school and it’s disheartening to see.
Enlighten us? You read his letters what did they say? What of we read your texts would we deem you good or bad? Attack on Columbus precedes an attack on The Church.
Did you study the Bolsheviks as well?
@@chuckHart70 Columbus is not a canonized saint. We can criticize him without criticizing the Church. he was not a good man.
We're waiting for your rebuttal
Saying "oh she doesn't know what she's talking about" isn't a rebuttal lol
Oh wow, better watch out! This kid took AP WORLD HISTORY!! 'Fellow Catholics"?? Did you even watch the video?? Not only did she say she was not Catholic, but she also said she doesn't WANT to become a Catholic!!
Hopefully they will teach you to spell his last name at your high school. That would be a nice start!
Veritas semper vincit
Amerigo Vespucci his second in command who landed on the mainland named the country after himself.
2024!!!
It sounds like Columbs was Moses and other voyagers were the Isrelaites when they started doing idolatry when Moses went up to speak to God
You don’t need to be a Catholic, to meet Columbus, merely a Christian.
Why don't we all just read his own readings for ourselves?
At least the seat of our government is District of Columbia ... for now.
It is not known where syphilis came from. Columbus also wrote that the indigenous people would make good slaves.
That’s taken out of context What Columbus wrote was these people would make good servants of God which actually is a complement to them as humans and the opposite of what your imply..
His words are frequently misquoted or a based on a biography written by an enemy .
What Columbus alleged said was "dever ser buenos s[er]uidores y de buē ingenio," which means "they must be good servants and of good wit." The problem here is the brackets surrounding the "er" in "seruidores," as if the person who copied Columbus' diary wasn't sure what was said, and simply filled in the blank. "Servents" wouldn't be "seruidores," but "servidores." The "u" isn't in question, though, and there's no "u" in "servidores." A similar word, however, would be "seguidores," which fits with the "u," the assumed letters, _and_ the context of the following part, where Columbus talks about how he sees the natives becoming Christian because they don't appear to have a religion.
Guess who was a noted and highly regarded historian ? Ferdinand Columbus : The son of Christopher Columbus.
Guess who wrote the biography that is the source material for Christopher Columbus's misdeeds ? Yes, it was Ferdinand Columbus .
Now, before you go of the rails to defend Christopher Columbus and claim that Ferdinand hated his father , let me put that to rest immediately. Ferdinand was grateful and humble and appreciated his wealth and position that was afforded to him by virtue of being his father's son. Also, Ferdinand was given lots of money and power by his father . There is no evidence to prove that Ferdinand hated his father. The evidence proves quite the opposite. They had a great relationship.
America should have been named Columbia✝️!!!
You say he was a friend of the natives? He popularized the use of attack dogs. Especially on children. He was a horrible force to not only the Taino but many nations of the Caribbean. One cannot be delusional of history
Are you guys serious, you think it will stop with statues? Here is some real advice for us Catholics and Christian's alike, PRAY AND FAST. Get right with God, because they will be at your door and mine soon...
Im a historian and soon to be Catholic.
Baptized people could not be enslaved (in Spanish territory)
True. So care to tell us why Columbus was not eager to have the natives Baptized?
For which he was critisised by many Churchmen.
I could go on...
Columbus treated the natives as almost sub human. His men did worse.
I would be terribly ashamed if I were him. Not even his own family could deny it.
Cy, with all love and respect, Dr. Delaney is WAY more Catholic at heart than you seem to be! Christopher Columbus was a godly man with a burning fire and zeal for the salvation of souls, and she saw it clearly as a result of her honest quest for truth. Mama Mary, may we all see the greatness of this man of God!
More propaganda to erase what catholics have done to indigenous peoples, jews, africans and other christians (protestants). Not to mention child abuse. You guys are something else
Cy, the evidence for CC having been Genovese is as weak as the one for his Spanish or Portuguese origin... it is an accepted mith that he was italian and as many of our protestant brothers and sisters cling to miths about Catholicism we should not fall in that trap and try to be as objective as possible
Genoa, Italy.
@@jayden28430 Italy? what Italy in the XV century?
@@franklinhidalgo3683 What makes you think CC was not from Genoa, Italy? Dr. Delaney says that he was. How does his place of birth please the Protestants?
Catholic Answers is week as usual
Week?
Tim Yurek I think he meant weak
Christopher Columbus was never honored by Americans because he was a great guy and a good Catholic-he was honored as a symbol of European colonial expansion, or, for “discovering America” and helping to create a great nation (however you choose to think of it). Americans have always honored what Columbus represents rather than who he was as a man. Similarly, those who want an end to Columbus Day and his commemoration through monuments oppose what Columbus represents to Americans. You can’t celebrate Columbus’ “discovery of America” while acknowledging that the conquest of North America resulted in genocide. There is nothing Christian in that. Whether or not Columbus was a good guy is a moot point.
Same old skewed history without broad perspective (and ignoring the right CORRECTIVES she gives). And you can't claim disease as a part of said genocides, since no one had the faintest knowledge of microbiology at the time (so as to use it as a weapon). Many of the "native" peoples in North, Central, and South America were involved in various genocides (some included cannibalism). Even the Iroquois Nation had a "submit or die/be enslaved" policy to other tribes where they wished to expand their power. ...I could go on and on. The fact is the whole world has been full of conflict from the beginning. Tribal societies never lack warriors to defend themselves, or to attack others they oppose. The more victories the get, the more powerful they.become, the larger they grow.... So on, and do forth. Obviously, developing technologically can play a major role in success and dominance, as well, whether it's the wheel, iron, the phalanx, or gun powder.
By the way, Jessica, he is also celebrated as an explorer; but never by Americans as the founder of a nation, since he did not do that.
And even in the plains, there is archaeological evidence of at least occassional genocidal warfare between tribes (or at least one tribe upon another). Should we bring up cannibalism, including over 100 Spaniards (families) taken in by natives in Mexico, provided rooms with guards, and plenty of food,...and then sacrificed and eaten over months (men, women, children). Even when they figured out what was happening, all they could do was wait in fear and terror for the day of their sacrifice.
Ever read about Iroquois torture techniques? How about THEIR cannibalism of enemies? How about other genocidal wars,...say, between tribes in areas in and around Florida?
Columbus was under the Spanish flag, who did not commit genocide. This is the reason why the 19th amendment was a massive mistake.
She was a murderer
Haha he was a murderer
I think we should ask the people from La Española if he was a villain or not. I think we will hear a different story.
Trump
I'm not gonna view him as a hero, I don't care if he's Christian. I'm not wasting time thinking he's a villain either. God has judged him and that's good enough for me considering he died so long ago. I'm not gonna go on thinking he was merely looking for friends on a voyage that was being used to make himself rich and powerful either. When you lead men your responsible for their action's.
@Dyker: 300 years from now, the people then discover what you've written and consider you a fool. You think that's fair?
@@jerrytang3146 by then i was judged by the only one that matters. To often we get confused about what matters. Just because he wore monk clothing doesn't make him a Saint. Been enough church scandals to prove otherwise. If baptism was such and important thing he could've spent time baptizing instead of personal glory. It's like trying to say the Vatican wasn't helping Nazi's escape Europe. History can only protect for so long. I don't understand why an alt account was needed for your reply.
Yes, he was a monster. Why would Catholic Answers take on the dumbest position possible. Howard Zinns A people's history of the US. Read it and weep...literally
Yeah, and your grandparents are all saints in heaven. Sure!
@@jerrytang3146 yeah, that's relevant.
A People's History is truly laughable scholarship. There's lots to criticize about Columbus but at least study the work of honest historians.
@@carsonwall2400 tell me about it
Howard Zinn was an ideological hatchetman, who has been found out time and again "splicing" sources into supposedly damning quotes and he did this with Columbus.