God and the Gay Christian | Matthew Vines | Talks at Google
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Matthew Vines visits Google's Mountain View office to discuss The Reformation Project and his book 'God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships'. You can find Matthew's book on Google Play here: goo.gl/p1xK6j
Matthew Vines is the founder and president of The Reformation Project, and the author of God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships. The Reformation Project runs conferences across the country for Christians who want to advance the inclusion of the LGBT community in their churches. TIME has written that Vines “represents new momentum to change the evangelical tide,” and he has been featured on CNN, NPR, MSNBC, and in The New York Times. - Розваги
yall are commenting instead of watching the video.
What do you mean how do you know somebody hasn't watch the whole video and then is commenting.
@@josephduplaga7595 because he explained some of the question that people are asking in the comment section.
Are the comment wrong? It is like someone telling you you are white and you nodding and saying it’s true. This jester is bending reality with nonsense. And by the way, they Jesus was 🧔🏾.
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Beware of false teaching(Matthew 7:15). Watch this video, it's better
People who are Christian and straight will have a difficult time understanding what Christian and gay people (who did not choose to be gay) are going through.
you're a piece of shit
Read Rom 1:23-28 there you will find out why they are NOT BORN GAY...You are listening to the propaganda of the false prophecy...
Not if you still practice same-gender sex...
That's what gay men desire...
Christians don't believe there is such a thing as gay Christians. The starting point of being a Christian is the willingness to repent. Someone who is willing to repent doesn't call themselves "gay".
While I am not sure I completely agree with his interpretation of Scripture, I am SO g;ad that I heard this video. Matthew made a compelling case, and he really came at the issue from a standpoint of love and understanding, both for the gay and evangelical Christian sides. I have often been frustrated with the "Christians are all homophobes" and "gays are going to hell" dynamic. Truly most people I know who are born again Christians are compassionate, and even if they think that homosexuality is a sin, they still love their gay neighbor. They are not hateful. unfortunately, there has been a TON of damage done to the gay community by Christian people, and that has to be addressed. On the flipside, some of my husband's family members are gay, and they are happily married or in committed relationships for over a decade, a complete contrast to the "wanton and depraved homosexual" stereotype.
Coming from the viewpoint of a born again Christian, I have to say that his approach is spot on, and I found myself nodding my head with a lot of the realizations Matthew had regarding approaching the topic and one another. He completely nailed it. Whether I agree or not with his interpretations, I think he has a lot to say and is a voice of reason and compassion.
Regardless of whether being gay is a sin or not, we have all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus came, to save us all. And he loves us all, gay or not.
Okay debra
Yeah he came to save us on condition that we repent of our sins not live in them. Unfortunately the Bible is very clear on the issue it specifically says no homosexuals will enter heaven. It goes on to say such were some of you but you were washed you were sanctified. Past tense.
I actually agree, he had quite a good standpoint on it.
AMEN! IM A CELIBATE GAY CHRISTIAN
Andrew Lailvaux it doesn’t say that but ok Andrew.
Matthew is using his intelligence to convince people to accept what he feels is not sin. It is why he continues to say persuade and convince so many times. Its the word of God that does that in truth and Love.
What does "The word" mean in plain language
No matter what you believe - whether you are an LGBT affirming Christian or not - you have to agree that Matthew does an amazing job at respecting everyone's opinion and settling it whilst taking the Bible very seriously.
Not really if you are trying to justify something that obviously against the Bible and God.
What is an LGBT affirming Christian?
Newsflash Christians don't affirm sin. If you affirm lgbtq you are not Christian, simple.
@@jacobmolinaaa Liar liar pants on fire. All liars have their part in the lake of fire and here's your proof. ;) "1 Corinthians 6:9-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [c]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
@Jack Coly I'm not against Christ. I'm the son of a pastor are you kidding. Im against discrimination
To restrict yourself from a relationship or hurt yourself or enter into an opposite-sex relationship or even to circumcise yourself is to put yourself back under the law which Jesus fulfilled with his sacrifice. Even Paul wrote that the Gentiles need not put themselves under the restrictions of the Old Law, because to do so would be to reject Christ. Consider Galatians 5:2 "Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you." How much more painful and unnecessary a restriction is it to be denied the pursuit of fulfilling companionship that others get to pursue simply by virtue of being heterosexual? Even God himself says "It is not good that the man should be alone, I will make a suitable partner for him."
This restriction, like circumcision before it, appears to be an unnecessary barrier to Christ and community with the Church for LGBT people. Are we not worthy of "suitable partners" for ourselves? That would contradict God's decree that such loneliness is not good. Today, if people "cut off" their sexuality or their foreskin, they effectively put themselves back under the old law and Christ becomes nothing to them. If you do not support same-sex relationships, is this really the position you want to stand for? To discriminate against a minority by putting them back under a law that you yourself aren't even under?
This .
"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths."
2 Timothy 4:3-4 NLT
Enough said.
sad, eh? people give in to their humanity's basest instinct of suspicion and discrimination against those who are different to them and listen to teachers who take advantage of that, instead of surrendering to Jesus' command to love one another and thus welcome all.
right back at ya
It's so nice that we can listen to these conversations without having to be there. Technology is awesome!
(Technology also created the CD-I Zelda games)
LMA0
ok boomer
Yeah praise the lord!
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Beware of false teaching(Matthew 7:15). Watch this video, it's better
Anyone who didn’t take the time to read his book should just stop criticizing. He addresses a lot of the stuff you’re commenting about and questioning in his book.
Yessss
Bending Gods word is not ok
@@brotherofchrist469 did you read the book
It’s terrible for me right now. I want to be straight, but it’s just so bad. I have a crush on this girl, but sometimes the urge for guys is stronger than others. It’s terrible.
I grew up in very conservative Christian circles, and honestly I'm still figuring out what I believe about LGBTQ issues and Christianity. But I LOVE how Matthew is articulating his thoughts and how he understands where we are coming from. He completely understands the arguments I have heard my whole life and is making some compelling points that actually make sense to me for once, instead of hearing that "Christians hate gays" and "well Leviticus also said not to eat pork, so..." I feel like I have been looking for reasons to believe that you could be gay and Christian, because in my heart it seems so wrong to exclude people like that, but it would be such a huge mindset shift for me...I'm looking forward to reading his book.
Let me give you some insight if I may ,1st of all , the word of GOD is HOLY, TRUTH and LIFE! The word of GOD is none argumentative, That means it is TRUTH you cannot argue with TRUTH ! you cannot compromise with TRUTH ! and surely you will not twist the TRUTH ! that's what satan does, he is the manipulator, twister and deceiver of the word of GOD ! do not read The BIBLE STUDY The BIBLE! man cannot INTERPRET The BIBLE! no man can! he did not WRITE it ,he PINNED it. GOD spoke it to him and he wrote it, REMEMBER it is the SPOKEN ,WRITTEN, LIVING word of GOD in that order. When a man preaches ,teaches on the word of God he must be anointed!! only then will you know when he speaks, he speaks of the word of God and not the word of any man! one of the greatest gifts is Discernment of spirits ,you can ask GOD, for this spirit of discernment ,this spirit will let you know if this man is speaking TRUTH or LIES . In this case he is speaking lies ,he doesn't know what he's talking about ! you never compromised with the word of GOD ! that's how you know he is the false preacher or teacher or if he holds any of the five fold ministries!! be blessed.
@@jefferyallen7302:
You are wrong on many points.
For example, Adam and Eve never existed. There was no Garden of Eden.
It's all allegorical.
The Garden of Eden is symbolic of the Holy of Holies, the Temple of Solomon, the city of Jerusalem, and Israel as a whole.
It is God's garden, his vineyard.
Adam and Eve are symbolic of the kings and queens of Israel, especially, but not limited to, Ahab and Jezebel.
When they eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil it symbolizes the kings and queens of Israel breaking the Covenant of Moses by worshipping Ashteroth and Baal.
When God puts them out of the garden and they go into the east it symbolizes the kings and queens of Israel going into captivity to Assyria and Babylon.
This is the truth of God's word; and it was not revealed by a Christian. It was revealed by a Jewish atheist.
You don't know what you are talking about, and you don't know how to study the word of God or what the word of God actually says.
@@timw4383, It's obvious your ignorant of the word of God, I don't know where you came up with that information, but I believe you are not a Christian. The true meaning of the word Christian is to be ,"Christ like". So I will leave you with this, the word of God is true and is non Argumentative And it never Contradicts itself, The Bible Is the true spoken word of God. And by the way I have been preaching the word of God since the seventies probably before you were born.be blessed .
@@jefferyallen7302:
I'm 55.
You are so ignorant!
The bible contradicts itself all over the place.
And what I gave you is TRUTH.
The ONLY way Jesus could justify his claims that he was not only the Christ but that he was also Yahweh incarnate is by understanding that the scriptures were allegorical.
Paul preaching that Hagar is symbolic of the Law comes from the allegory found within the narrative of Genesis chapter 16, which is symbolic of the Exodus, and I'll bet my last dollar you don't know why.
God did not give us everything we needed to fully understand the scriptures. A lot of it had to come later through history and archeology, which early Christians did not have.
The Word of God is Jesus not a book
and if its a book which transliteration? Which one? im a Christ follower that stepped out of the religions of man.
to try to live up to the law is death
But Jesus fullfilled it and showed us the way. Love God with all your heart and love your nieghbor as yourself. all mankind will be saved
" Both of them have done what is detestable" Leviticus 20:13
did they eat an oyster?
simp
It's funny how those of you who demonstrate and/or say hatred towards homosexuals, forget a few things and live in hypocrisy: first of all, Leviticus being split into three parts has no biblical evidence; it's a man's opinion, and also remember that Jesus fulfilled the Law: that means that, since we are Christian, we are to respect it, but we do NOT have to follow it. Secondly, the passage about homosexuals not inheriting is about people who DENY Jesus and reject the Holy Spirit. Thirdly, a self-righteous, condemning attitude is detestable to the Lord -- but of course since you think you're right, it's okay to profess that you know the mind of God. Did everyone forget that we are to love and encourage fellow sinners for growth in Christ?
No sinner is born again, they are a former sinner, born again is a child of God born of God spiritually,
&read please 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 romans 1:26-
@Paige Washbrook what I said about getting born again is fact from God's word, if we don't get born again, hell awaits bc of breaking one or more of the ten commandments
@@mikelandryjr7310
1 Corinthians 6:9 is not only proof that there are mistranslations but that there are blatant ones. Paul never stated that homosexuality is any more a sin than heterosexuality. The parts you are refering to were condemning aspects of pagan rituals.
@@ifihadahammer7856 ok then read romans 1:26-
Christ hates sin&those who gets biblically born again hates sin but not the sinner, for the born again who hates the gays,they are misled, as born agains our hate is to be for sin and pray for sinners backsliders and lukewarm to repent and trust n Christ as there Lord and Savior, ty Jesus
I spent many years trying to help my church be biblical, e.g. loving of one another and others. Never happened and I could not find one anywhere. If God does not condemn the churches for not being loving I can no longer worry that he will condemn us for not being straight as long as we seek Him in general.
God loves all his children... be nice people... be kind and try not to judge and be harsh... even if u dont agree it is not your place to judge... its Gods.... we must remember this... please! Love, forgiveness, kindness, understanding, faith, hope..... LOVEEEEEEE. NOT HATE. AMEN. ❤❤❤
just have to say yall are making this gay crap up u shouldent be gay ever
Hahahh what you fail to see is God has already judged and condemned homosexuality/LGBTQP practice and said to give warning to those who refuse to accept his law...Do you understand what Eph 5;11, and Eze 3:18 mean...God loves all his children but hates the sin in us Rom 3;23, and Rom 6;23 are very clear about that do you not understand what those verses mean...What parts of Gen 2;18, Gen 2;22-24, 1 Cor 11:9 confirmed by Jesus in Matt 19;3-5, Jude 7;10, Lv 18:22 Lv 20:13, Rom 1:25-28, 1 Cor 6:9-11 and Rev 21:8-10 don't you understand, or do you just skip over those verses and declare them "mistranslated".
People like you speak of love but have no idea of what love is nor of what love did for you, you use the guise of love to spread your hatred of God's loving words of warning against homosexuality/LGBTQP and declare anyone who is trying to pass on the words of God against same-gender as hateful, when the whole time it is you who the hateful ones.
Stop using the judgment card when someone tells you God's law forbidding same-gender sex to defend yourself you are declaring you can commit that particular sin in the name of God's love which is a LIE and BLASPHEMY.
You are declaring God's loving word of warning against homosexuality/LGBQP+ as hate speech using the guise of love, but by doing that you, people, have made the worse possible mistake when you declared "love is love" over God's creation of MALE and FEMALE, MAN and WIFE, FATHER and MOTHER who are what he put together blessed, sanctioned, and vetted in heaven you blasphemed the Holy Spirit of God, and it is clearly written in Mark 3:28-30 you forfeit your chance for redemption and to have life everlasting.
Put down that foul half truth queen James nonsense because it is nothing but a book of false prophecy..AMAN😉😉😉😉😉
God's word is clear. No homosexuals will inherit the Kingdom of God. By not warning them that hell awaits them it's actually you who are being hateful. Love would warn. ua-cam.com/video/h0GqVyYYfHc/v-deo.html
Erik Ford you can’t even spell dude lmao 😂
@@williamthecreator2526 your comment just displays how ignorant you are of the word of God. Tell me what does John 7:24 say and come back to me. Then when you've read that go to 1 Corinthians 6:2. "My people die for lack of knowledge" better luck next time.
These comments are heartbreaking. willfull ignorance that doesn't give a damn about other people and their struggle. how unchristian.
I agree. Open mindedness is important to growth in any area. Still yet, I think it should be in everyone's best interest to speak in love. Varying opinions is perfectly acceptable and ultimately inevitable, but condemning others for not having the same beliefs isn't what God would want from anyone: God is love. Varying opinions is perfectly fine as long as people are open minded in reaching their conclusions, and respectfully loving in communicating their conclusions.
The fact of the matter is, I personally doubt any of us will know what is right in this life. No side will be proven right or wrong, and until then, there are just different opinions. I think if people truly pursue truth wholeheartedly, in the end, they will find it. That isn't just what I wish for Christians or atheists, but everyone.
Seek truth and spread truth in love. For me personally, that is the best any of us can do.
Pure foolishness, you think yourself wise...1 Cor 3:19, For the wisdom of the world (yours) is foolishness in the sight of God..
Sure we care. We don't want Matthew to go to hell and to lead other people into error also. He twists the Bible.
We will let him reject the Bible and do whatever he wants, but we can't let him lie about our faith.
People arent ignorant because they refuse to be indoctrinated lol. Jesus told us to be wise and test the spirits to see if theyre from God. He didnt tell us to be nice and go along to get along. People always accuse others of being "unChristian" when they stand up against sin lol. Jesus wasnt this nice hippy dude. He called everyone to repent or perish. That wasnt all nicey nice lol. Wake up lady. You're on a road headed over a cliff and youve got to brakes!
David Taylor Do you have proof that he is twisting the Bible? How do you know you didn’t misinterpret it. If you’re gonna make the claim I would like some proof for research
I'm really struggling with my faith and how I feel about myself I love God he's the best thing in my life and he's my everything I can't picture myself without my lord and savior I've prayed and fasted and denied myself multiple times I continue to tell myself im baring my cross but it's hard to denie what I feel everyone in my church and family and Christian community talks about it being wrong It's getting to the point where I just hate who I am I don't want to disappoint God I fear the words. " depart from me you doer of iniquity" it really hurts I feel like a evil person I never wanted these feelings but it's there regardless of my actions many people tell me that it's a testimony and a cross God gave me to bare but I wish I could just die already so I wouldn't have to struggle with these feelings it sucks and I hate it
Jesus said: Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can. (Matthew 19:11-12) If we only look at the first category only, Jesus mentions eunuchs who were born that way. In the ancient Jewish culture natural or born eunuchs was associated with people with gay tendencies. Jesus shows no condemnation and very matter-of-factly asserts that some people are simply born that way
Hey I’m sorry I may disturb but I would like to reply about what you’ve commented. You are Gods child and forever will be, he loves you endlessly, don’t worry about your feelings, literally nobody knows the cause, maybe God did create different types of people, in the Bible it’s not confirmed or confirmed, no one knows, but let me tell you just put faith in him, everything happens for a reason, don’t worry about who you are, just live for him, And I mean LIVE FOR HIM, don’t care about what society says or thinks, you should only care about what God would say or think about you, he’s the only one who knows what’s in you and I mean by heart, I learned that I don’t need a partner to be happy, maybe God could bring me a special someone in the future, maybe not, he has a plan for each and every single one of us, and you know Jesus was a single man, and the world hated him. So just live for your father, be strong, keep reading the Bible, be you, don’t focus on finding what you want like love or lust etc. because what you want doesn’t mean that you need it, and God will only give you what you need at the right time, so keep the faith, live for him, (I know I’ve said that a bunch of times but it’s true) be thankful to him for being alive, don’t ask him for things, because he’s not a genie, he’s your father and he knows what’s best for you and he’ll give it to you when it’s the right time, and God wouldn’t like his child to be sad, be happy, be positive, everything’s going to be ok, and keep talking to him, he’s always listening, don’t focus on what society thinks right now, nobody knows the cause, some say they’re born with it, some say they’ve changed through God (and if that’s what you really want you could ask him) , others say it’s psychological, but really, nobody really knows if it’s good or bad, just God, so just keep the faith and don’t worry about your feelings, just focus on God and be strong, you can do this, ask him for help on your journey, I’m telling you, I’ve never been more happy in my life since I’ve had a relationship with him, he’s the best, just trust in him with everything, he really knows what’s best for you, so keep going!! And btw Jesus is coming soon!!! Don’t give up!!! God bless you!!! Love you champ!!! Look how far you’ve come!!!
@mistermodified1 go read Leviticus chapter 18 versus 22 god forbids it go read it
@@tyronmark2029 Go read the 10 Commandments... Thou shall not judge . Love thy neighbor. That's God literally saying we all have a personal relationship with the Lord, he is our only judge. And Love is clearly the message of it all from the beginning to the cross, if you don't understand that you've missed the whole message.
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Beware of false teaching(Matthew 7:15). Watch this video, it's better
"Gays can change through Christ" proclaimed ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but in 2013 ex-gay leaders admitted no ex-gay became heterosexual. Every major ex-gay ministry from the US to Australia closed. Repenting of sexual orientation works as well as repenting of skin color.
If you are using the bible to condemn groups of people such as the gay community then you are not a loving, compassionate Christian nor are you a nice person! Its common sense!
Pamela A. Brooks amen!
God judges, the bible judges....moreover you have police officers who render judgment and court judges who do so as well, it is called order, our GOD is just, stop spewing non sense plz.... Evan Canant
Actually caring about their salvation is loving. No homosexual will enter the kingdom of Heaven, the Bible is quite clear on that. ua-cam.com/video/jTRhbtFei1M/v-deo.html
No but we can receive correction if it's done out of love..
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Thought provoking, respectful, well reasoned, and Biblically grounded. I am very impressed. I considered myself one of those he described as in the middle, and then a silent sympathizer. God has given you a heavy yoke, Mr Vines. You are a brave and gifted man.
Hahaha, stop using God to justify this nonsense if you were 'well reasoned and Biblically grounded you'd know this is not bravery but foolishness you're just another HYPOCRITE that has put your opinion above God's law forbidding same-gender sex.....Since you are so Biblically grounded where is it written God blesses same-gender sex, where is it written that God declared a man can marry another man and a woman another woman?.... God said he created them MALE and FEMALE and put them together Gen 2;18, Gen 2:22-24 which is confirmed by his son Yeshua in Matt 19:3-5, In 1 Cor 11:9 he says, Neither was man created for woman but woman was created for him.....Your "reasoning" is if you don't find fault with same-gender sex then God shouldn't either...Happy to tell you that your opinion is not above God's law and you should take a look at Rom 1:32 because it means if you agree with the LGBTQ+ then you disagree with God and that you stand with them in their protest and defiance to his law and that's a bad place to be when the real battle starts...😉
Hahahh I didn't condemn anyone to hell I simply said God is the one said they go to hell, God is the one who said they will not be allowed into his kingdom, I even quoted the verses and said they are not my words.
@@armymanssg508 you should be ashamed of yourself. you're defiling God right now. utterly despicable. Jesus did not die for you to insult.
Hahaha, no one can sin in the name of God that goes for the you "gay Christain" HYPOCRITES and yes sin does "separate" you from God Isiah 59:2...If what you say is true then I can lie, steal, cheat, commit adultery, fornicated, even kill as long as I'm a Christian I'm without sin?... Put down that foul half truth queen James book of false prophecy....😉😉😉😉
Hahha he did not die so you can lie on him and say you can commit your particular act of same-gender sex in his name, he did not die so we can continue our sinful behavior, he did not die to abolish God's laws in this particular case same-gender sex Matt 5;17 Do not think I have come to abolish the laws of Moses and the prophets, I came to fulfill them, which means the law still stands and same-gender sex is not exempt Lv 18;22, 20;13 Jude 7;10, Rom 1;25-28, 1 Cor 6;9-11, and Rev 21:8-10.
Let me guess, those verses have to 'misinterpreted" because they condemn same-gender sex, you, people, are so lost and pathetic...😉😉😉
2 Timothy 4:3-For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
@Brielle jacobs
The lie that "Homosexuality is a sin" is a perfect example of people wanting to hear what their itching ears want to hear. An ancient lie is still a lie.
The original Greek in Timothy states that “malakoi” or “arsenokoitai” which was later translated to 1 Timothy 1:10 to be homosexuality, actually translates to be male on male sexual violence, rape, pederasty (male on adolescent boy (pedophile)) prostitution and sex with enslaved men. Not homosexuals.
Same thing for 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Romans 1:26-27 is seen as a cultural thing not a god thing, it also only says this about lustful relationships between same sex not romantic.
The rest is in Old Testament so you shouldn’t care about it but I’ll cover it anyways:
Genesis 19 talks about gang rape not homosexuality, that’s why the city is destroyed.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are discarded as Old Testament law as with other things such as eating pork, men having long hair, having sex with women while on their period, and working on the sabbath.
Here are some verses about judgement, remember all of us will be judged at the gates of heaven, why should we judge others if we will then be judged
Luke 6:37-42
Luke 6:31-36
James 4:11-12
Romans 2:1-3
Romans 12:16-18
James 2:4
Mark 12:30-31
Matthew 7:1-4
I truly hope you find your way back to God and His message of love. I will pray for you.
@@lijah163
you left out timothy
paul personally said that homosexuality is against sound doctrine
When God destroy the eutopia of homosexual Sodom and.gomorrah
Are you saying that Jesus commanded us to love our neighbors? or did He say "I the Lord God have bestowed my authourity on you the church to Judge people with My Blessing eventho YHWH has given It to me to Judge?
So called religous christians are quite possibly fkd in the head
The original Greek in Timothy states that “malakoi” or “arsenokoitai” which was later translated to 1 Timothy 1:10 to be homosexuality, actually translates to be male on male sexual violence, rape, pederasty (male on adolescent boy (pedophile)) prostitution and sex with enslaved men. Not homosexuals.
Same thing for 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Romans 1:26-27 is seen as a cultural thing not a god thing, it also only says this about lustful relationships between same sex not romantic.
The rest is in Old Testament so you shouldn’t care about it but I’ll cover it anyways:
Genesis 19 talks about gang rape not homosexuality, that’s why the city is destroyed.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are discarded as Old Testament law as with other things such as eating pork, men having long hair, having sex with women while on their period, and working on the sabbath.
Here are some verses about judgement, remember all of us will be judged at the gates of heaven, why should we judge others if we will then be judged
Luke 6:37-42
Luke 6:31-36
James 4:11-12
Romans 2:1-3
Romans 12:16-18
James 2:4
Mark 12:30-31
Matthew 7:1-4
We don’t follow Old Testament:
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. (Galatians 3:24-25)
The ‘Righteousness of God’ is now manifested apart from the Law. (Romans 3:21)
the Law brings about wrath. (Romans 4:15)
We are not under the Law. (Romans 6:14)
We have been released from the Law. (Romans 7:6)
the Law is a law of sin and death…not of life. (Romans 8:2)
the Law is weak. (Romans 8:3)
the Law is in contrast to grace. (Galatians 2:21)
the Law is not of faith. (Galatians 3:12)
I truly hope any homophobic and transphobic people reading this find their way back to God and His message of love. I will pray for you.
lelijahh Jesus also said he came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. It’s a misinterpretation to say that Jesus is “doing away” with the law. What He is saying is that our righteousness and ability to fulfill the perfection of God now comes through the Holy Spirit given to us, not by our own effort to abide by a set of rules. Romans talks about “the law of the Spirit”- is the Spirit that convicts us and gives us motivation to be all that God designed us to be. In the OT God’s spirit left people and only anointed certain people. In the NT He has made everyone be able to access His Spirit. and it is through that same Spirit we have complete deliverance and freedom from sinful desires.
Robert Ward Amen brother... you put it so well. These “ short and momentary afflictions are working out for us a far greater glory”.... Nothing will compare to the glory in heaven. It will all be worth it one day to see Jesus’ face and walk with Him in heaven. I’ve never seen a Christian put your sentiments so beautifully and authentically. Thank you for sharing and showing us that Christ is always the most important truth about any of us and HE defines our identity! Amen.
@@carlykamps411 God's law never changes, right? Then I need some advice from you regarding some elements of God's Law and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord --Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there “degrees” of
abomination? I see 85 verses covering abominations. 84 are ignored, 1 is misused today.
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates God's law Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend).
He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16). Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
11. The Bible says stone non-virgins Deut 22, but 99% of heteros today have premarital sex. Adulterers must be executed Lev 20:10 and anyone who lusts is guilty of adultery (per Jesus, who also said kill kids who disrespect parents Matt 15:4). Should we just start killing everyone?
12. Marriage had nothing to do with love; women were property given by a father to a groom. She was then his property. No laws existed to prevent a man from beating and raping his wives, kids and slaves. In cases of divorce women had no right to visitation or custody since the kids were the man's property. We changed all that.
So much for God's word being eternal and unchanging.
Robert Ward ight but it ain’t ur problem to judge or you’ll be just as judged by god on your day of passing so better to do as jesus says and to love all than be judgemental and get an angry god
Robert Ward also the only thing the “gay world” did for me is made me realise that i actually has meaning and was aloud to love myself, something that people like you never did. now i have a happy life where i suck dick so... honestly if you’re so focused on what other guys are doing with their dicks doesn’t that make you kinda gay?
My opinion does not matter. Your opinion does not matter. The Word of God is truth.
yea and God isn't a homophobe or do you know otherwise?
@@camerong5513 OMG**** have u read the Bible. Just because something feels right doesn't mean it is. Read your Bible.
@@geoffeldred9483 what's any of that got to do with it!? Either make an argument or move on!?
@@camerong5513 you obviously have no belief and are not a Christian.
@@geoffeldred9483 blah blah blah. You obviously have no argument you DS
GOD PLEASE just tell me is it really really a sin to be homosexual?
My heart feels trapped trying to keep away the homosexual thoughts because my mom made me break up with my girlfriend because she said it's a sin.
Why? Why would it be a sin? Is it really? Please don't be a sin I just wanna love who I wanna love!!! My heart feels super trapped!
Everytime I think of liking girls again it feels free.if it really is a sin I just don't understand it. Why??
The only thing I can think of is being able to make a baby. But it's not a sin to never have a child right? Then why would it be to be gay? God please give me an answer!
It’s not a sin
Nurse Mikan First remember that you are deeply loved by God and have dignity as a human no matter what. That’s base level truth.
Second... Romans 1 is pretty clear. I wondered why God talked about idolatry and homosexuality in the same passage. Then He revealed to me: the two are related. What is idolatry? Worshipping something above God. Now, people are starting to base the truth off of their one experience. Their experience and emotions- really, themselves - have become an idol.
Now we ALL struggle with idolatry so I’m not singling it out. I can’t imagine what you must be going through. My heart hurts deeply for those who are mistreated.
That all being said, people don’t realize the nature of God’s supernatural power.
Look up Andrew Womack, he is a great teacher. The Bible is clear that God purchased complete deliverance from sin. People CAN be delivered from the bondage of homosexuality. It’s been dichotomized- either complete rejection of the human, or starting to say it’s not a sin. What if there was a third option: People being set free by the power of the Spirit? Something to think about.
We are all a sinner, we tend to sin. If our life is God-centered, our happiness is in God. Follow Christ is not easy, but we must always put God first. Remember, we are citizens of the kingdom of God.
i think it's pretty obvious that if you're not hurting anyone it's not a sin - romans 13.8-10 loving your neighbour is enough to obey all God's commands.
Don’t let yourself ruin your life and love and relationships because of a propaganda based interpretation of scripture. Love the people who love you; don’t let sex drive your relationships, let it be love and let that love be genuine.
Pursue a Christ like existence; treat people the way you’d want to be treated. Fight for the oppressed. Clothe the naked and help the weak.
And be with the person who you know you’re meant to be with, whoever that may be💙
It is always a pleasure to listen to Matthew Vine's on his topic of homosexuality and Christianity and how there is a valid case in support of same-sex relationships.
MrAndrew7453 He seems like a nice person to me.
Well Mr Andrew, that is quite a biblical argument you have put above. Time will tell if your interpretation is true or not. As Jesus said, "by their fruits ye shall know them".
MrAndrew7453 Love Wins! In the end God will save us all.
Rob Bell is a wonderful man of God. Therefore I do not agree with your scathing remark. He is also very intelligent. And if he were to visit my country New Zealand I know that many many people would love to meet him in person and to hear his more relevant message of the gospel to humankind.
MrAndrew7453 I can't answer the above at the moment as it is very late at night but will look at your comments over the weekend. Suffice to say that God is love.
These comments are so mean and disgusting. I'm a girl and i like girls. I DO NOT chose to like girls, it's something natural for me. I feel like God made me this way.. and i think that we should all love each other. Why does it matter if i like girls? Why does it matter so much? It's not something that i can control, it's not something that i can change. I like girls, but i feel such a powerful connection when i pray. I don't think that God hates me.. i think that he loves us all. If you want to reply please don't be mean in the comments and let's all be nice to each other. Or maybe you think that I'm gonna go to hell because i like girls, and if you want to think that way then think that way, you can have your own opinion as long as you're being respectful. But if you really think that i'm gonna go to hell, well let me tell you that i'll rather go to hell and be myself and love my life than just pretending to be someone else because deep down i'll still like women. I kinda understand why Christians hate gay people.. but i wish that some people could be in my position to understand what i'm going through
First and foremost the fact that you have a relationship with the Christ and feel a great bond with him matters more than anything else, scriptures can be misconstrued and misunderstood, even the simple things of the word, let alone homosexuality, the fact that you have a peace in your heart and you believe in loving everyone not just those who love you but your enemy as well, is a godly heart, I have seen many heterosexuals fail when it comes to righteousness, and I've seen many a homosexual rise above and fulfill righteousness, The flesh does not sanctify the spirit, the spirit sanctifies flesh, no matter how much you know in the word or believe you understand it, if you have not love you have nothing at all, many would envy your relationship with Christ because they find it hard to even have one, god bless you Princess, and if god does not condemn you for your homosexuality, even if you were to practice it faithfully with a partner, no one can. even if the whole world is against you princess, your home is the kingdom of god, may you dwell in the house of the Lord forever, and may you have what is the most beautiful all the days of your life.
michael michael thank you so much! This made me feel so much better and it helped me so much.
Same i feel like God has been telling me that he made me this way. he made me gay. he's been telling me it's ok. i love him and he loves me
@@TempleofChristMinistriesthe realest comment ever. god bless 💙
Mankind was made for Gods image and likeness... man and woman He made Him... (Gen 1:27).
Mankind fell. Mankind alienated from God (Gen 3).
But God so loves.... Christ came... Holy Spirit is here... Change.... by His Spirit... into His image and likeness again... normal Zoë(divine)-life made possible again... healing the sick, casting out demons, etc... get restored to divine original value bij His Spirit...
Man and woman He made them (John 14-17, 2 Cor 3:18, Col 3:10, etc, etc).
What we need is to know how radical the Gospel is.That should be the new reformation
People need to know it's cool to suck dick burn the bible and write a new one
My friend has recommended me your book. I am really happy that he did because I come from Poland where most people are Catholic too and I had many conflicts and problems with accepting me being gay and after I did and came out to my family I found out that they have even more issues with accepting me because of social contexts. I wish I could read your book 20 years ago or even pass your book to my family members. I cant wait for your book to arrive.
Lukasz S OMG same here even the polish part!
Hahaha, I recommend you read the Holy Bible, cause whatever is in his book, it still does not change God's law against the practice of same-gender sex/LGBTQ...😊😊
@@armymanssg508 look, in the bible god never mentions homosexuality. The word only popped up into the bible around the 1940s. The original bible was talking about pedophilia. Also, any SEX outside of *marriage* is a sin. So that’s meaning not just two men having sex, but also rape, being/hiring a prostitute, or two people having sex outside of marriage. So really you should read the bible with a bit of a different perspective, because not everything is what it seems ☺️☺️
Matthew's knowledge of the Bible provides an amazing perspective that makes one really ponder what it means. His knowledge, understanding and respect for evangelical Christians and their beliefs allows him an uncommon and remarkable ability to communicate and engage people who are so invested in their beliefs.
If you are of The True GOD your faith in Him will not be weaver.
Matthew is good at twisting the Bible to his own theology but it does not convince.
Religion is for people avoiding hell. Spirituality is for those who have already been there.
Lots of religions don't believe in Hell. Not all religions are in the mold of Christianity. Its kind of a colonial attitude to take the beliefs of conservative Christianity and impose them on all religions
e.g. Jewish beliefs on the afterlife vary quite a bit and the afterlife is rarely talked about. Its barely mentioned in the Torah and Talmud
e.g. Buddhists don't believe in any kind of hell (all though they do believe that current life is suffering)
Growing up in a church atmosphere doesn’t make is person a Christian!
Also an Angel of the Lord told the Apostle Philip to get onto the road to Gaza, where Philip met the Ethiopian eunuch, whom he baptized as a Christian.
The Ethiopian eunuch asked a critical question:
Does anything prohibit me from being baptized?
Philip said only belief in Christ is required.
Please read Acts 8:26-39 and tell me what you think...
I did a video on this as well. It has some comments on what changed for Gays in the 4th Century CE...
This video is so helpful. I guess I'm gonna be alone forever 😭. But I shouldn't worry, God is here
Why do you say that
@@stevensoilea2890 god will provide right?
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Beware of false teaching(Matthew 7:15). Watch this video, it's better
who says you have to be alone?
This is refreshing
@pixi it’s just silly to hate someone because they love the same gender. The aren’t hurting anyone and just want to be happy. What you are doing is not God’s will. He wants us to love each other and hate. The Bible was written by man not God and men lie to fit theirs agendas. And you certainly have no right to judge. And before you say it’s a “lifestyle” trust me it’s not. It’s not because I know people who prayed to God and cry asking why they were gay and they wished they were straight so people like you would finally respect them. And why would they chose to be something that’s everyone hates. You are not God or Jesus you have no right to judge anyone or push your hatful agenda on anyone. So stop quoting stuff from the Bible you don’t even know.
I do agree with your Method of how you approach LGBTQ Issues in regards to your Faith; that by engaging with them bluntly without thinking of their context on how they see us they will get Defensive and end up acting just like James White.
I Pray that your Ministry and Foundation flourishes in many ways possible especially as so young your age for having that Dedication and Courage to speak out and give Hope to so many persecuted LGBTQ's like me. 🙏
Hello. One of the great things about being a child of God is that you are given the power to fight your inner sin. Jesus said "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it." A lot of people fail to understand why sin is so bad. The reason sin is so destructive to us is because it blinds us to the beauty of God. Matthew 5:8 says "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." So what's the reward for being pure and holy? You get to see the face of God! That's the motivator that drives Christians to strive for holiness and sanctification. The reward isn't wealth, health, or earthly prosperity and Christians don't want any of that. Christians want intimacy with the Son of God. Psalm 63:1 says "O God, You are my God; earnestly I seek You; my soul thirsts for You; my flesh faints for You, as in a dry and weary land where there is no water."
Another important thing to understand is that our brain chemicals are not God. Therefore we can tell them "no". They do not have the final say. But a lot of people mistakenly think that their brain chemistry is God! They wouldn't dare deny themselves or tell themselves no. Sadly, this country is filled with people who bow down to their own brain chemistry. They are enslaved to whatever their brain wants in the moment. They're always thinking in the short term and they never think about the long term consequences. It's this type of attitude that drives the pornography industry, the homosexual campaigns, and the transgender moments. I'm reminded of Judges 21:25 which reads "In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes." This is of course ironic because Israel *did* have a King. The LORD was their King but sadly, they did not recognize Him as their King. In Luke 6:46 Jesus said "Why do you call Me Lord and don't do what I say?" It is idolatry to worship our brain chemistry. We are not God and are brains aren't God either. There is only One Creator and heaven is His throne and earth is His footstool. Didn't the LORD clearly say "You shall have no other god's before Me."
Finest man in the world calling himself Gay. Sisters, how do you cope?
This guy just seems like a hands-down genius
I give you that. He is smart. He saw an opening- Find a way to make the Bible support LGBT to gain fans. He found his way even though he had to 🐄 💩 his way there. It is genius and 👱🏻♂️ is great at that.
@@b1crusade384 what do u mean bible support lgbtq ?
@@ugljesaisakovic7899 Re-read my response. The Bible is being twisted to support LGBT. It does not if read honestly.
GOD MADE MAN FOR WOMEN AND WOMEN FOR MAN SO STOP THE EXUSES
@Messerah GOD IS AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY PERIOD
I have some Gay friends in monogamous and loving relationships. They seem good and supportive of God's creation but clearly the Bible in many areas prohibits this behavior. That being said why is the prohibition of homosexuality not one of the commandments? How can love for one another be wrong? One of the two great commandments on which all of the laws are based on tells us to love one another. Of course sexuality is taking love further. It we accept homosexuality is sin then why is it any greater than the sin I commit everyday in my human weakness? It seems to me that Jesus only elevates two sins above others; false prophets and harming children.
If I accept homosexuality as sin just as I sin when I (again in my human weakness) fail to resist looking lustfully at a woman not my wife should I not accept a Gay couple who love each other but are unable to resist sexual activity?
If I look at it another way; how can loving, caring, supporting and sexually engaging a person of the same sex be wrong when it supports the good order of life and helps people thrive and be productive and thus supports God's creation be wrong and sinful? I have seen Gay couples take in and nurture special needs and hard to place children. Surely their union and efforts together to care for those children is good and supportive of God's creation.
I am not in the least bit Gay nor do I feel the need to associate with homosexual couples. The Gay couples I know have simply randomly come into my life and I treat them with the same love and respect I treat all my friends. That being said, should I be part of a church that accepts homosexual parishioners? Yes, obviously, people are in church because they want to worship and glorify God and be fed by the Gospel . Everyone in those pews are sinners like me. But should I be part of a church that ordains or has leaders who are practicing homosexuals. I don't know. Obviously ordained leaders sin every day like me but does having homosexual clergy give approval to that behavior? Then we go back to why isn't homosexuality in the 10 Commandments if it is a sin?
To me it's an intellectual exercise and doesn't really impact my life except in my decision on which Christian denomination to be part of. I heard Tony Campolo speak one time on this subject and he said when he meets his Creator he would rather confess to the sin of "loving too much rather than loving too little".
I trust God will lead me where I need to go.
Steelhorsecowboy god doesn’t see homosexuality as sin, he sees lust an male on male sexual violence as sin but not romantic gay relationships that mimic what god wants for us ❤️✝️
smol bean The original Greek in Timothy states that “malakoi” or “arsenokoitai” which was later translated to 1 Timothy 1:10 to be homosexuality, actually translates to be male on male sexual violence, rape, pederasty (male on adolescent boy (pedophile)) prostitution and sex with enslaved men. Not homosexuals.
Same thing for 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Romans 1:26-27 is seen as a cultural thing not a god thing, it also only says this about lustful relationships between same sex not romantic.
The rest is in Old Testament so you shouldn’t care about it but I’ll cover it anyways:
Genesis 19 talks about gang rape not homosexuality, that’s why the city is destroyed.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are discarded as Old Testament law as with other things such as eating pork, men having long hair, having sex with women while on their period, and working on the sabbath.
Here are some verses about judgement, remember all of us will be judged at the gates of heaven, why should we judge others if we will then be judged
Luke 6:37-42
Luke 6:31-36
James 4:11-12
Romans 2:1-3
Romans 12:16-18
James 2:4
Mark 12:30-31
Matthew 7:1-4
We don’t follow Old Testament:
So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. (Galatians 3:24-25)
The ‘Righteousness of God’ is now manifested apart from the Law. (Romans 3:21)
the Law brings about wrath. (Romans 4:15)
We are not under the Law. (Romans 6:14)
We have been released from the Law. (Romans 7:6)
the Law is a law of sin and death…not of life. (Romans 8:2)
the Law is weak. (Romans 8:3)
the Law is in contrast to grace. (Galatians 2:21)
the Law is not of faith. (Galatians 3:12)
I truly hope you find your way back to God and His message of love. I will pray for you.
@@nicmendz I'll stick with the 10 Commandments as my guide. I will err on the side of loving too much rather than loving too little. I will encourage my Gay friends to seek God and trust that he will bless their loving relationships.
Steelhorsecowboy ❤️❤️ pure loving Christianity ❤️❤️
@@nicmendz Yes, you need to trust when God speaks to you. God Bless
I am a pansexual christian, and very proud to admit it. God Bless!
Lucille Cawthra god bless you and being happy with who you are as a person!!!
Lucille Cawthra what is a pansexual Christian
Steven Soilea someone’s who’s pansexual and also is Christian.
God loves you sooo much and made you thank way. Be proud for your sexuality and who you are. And don’t listen to those you hate you because you love someone different, they are not real Christians and hypocrites. I hope have a wonderful day and God Bless you!! ❤️💞
He still fails to see that all sin is an abomination to God.. That is why Jesus taught us to take the beam out of our own eye/lives before judging or correcting others..
Leviticus also says that eating shellfish is an abomination and prohibits a man from cutting the corners of his beard, yet these are widely disregarded by the church
You can’t be a gay Christian because that means you’re still holding on to what God calls a sin. That would be like me saying I’m a thieving Christian or an adulterous Christian. I don’t set the rules for sin, God does. Read the Bible. Matthew Vines is twisting Scripture.
simp
Matt says that he won’t debate James because he seems to lack a level of humility and a consideration of Matt’s humanity. I don’t have to research White’s stance to know what he’s talking about. That lack of compassion is on full display here in this comments section.
It is lack of compassion to not want to be associated with people that are not very compassionate?
@@hannijazz3276 And how do you know these people are not compassionate?
Yep.
It is very important to understand that the verses in the Bible that strictly say that man should not lie with man is in Leviticus. Leviticus was written two the Levites. These were basically what you would consider to be the clergyman. Just like people will say tattoos and piercings are forbidden but again that is only in Leviticus for the Levites. Saying you're not supposed to cut your beard and all that wonderful stuff. Again this is only for the Levites
The work Matthew has done is giving hard evidence to what the bible says and the error the haters have....I will be studying the book so i can speak to my parents and hopefully this can save my marriage too
Hahaha Study the Books of Adam and Eve then the Books of Enoch then you will find out why homosexuality exists and why God is going to remove it from the earth you will find out what NEPHILIMS are where they came from and there intent to destroy mankind, the Holy Bible is just basic information Gen 6 speaks briefly about NEPHILIMS, the Bible does confirm itself because it says even its not big enough to contain all the words of the Lord.
You've God much studying to do and I will tell you " first" that homosexuality is not mentioned as what God created you are going to be 'terrified" when you find out what you are looking for contradicts your "opinion".....😉
@@armymanssg508 A gay guy literally just likes guys. That’s it. How will that be a sin? You make it a very huge big deal as if gay people are killing or stealing things.
Hahaha, have you even read the Bible or do you just ignore it because you think you are too wise to accept what is said against the same-gender practice? You are lost and blind you can't see the one who is behind them.
You think your "opinion" is above God's. What did you create in the universe? What do you control in the universe? What do you own in the universe? Do you know how long you will live? Can you stop your death?😊😊
Hahaha, do you understand what "sexual immorality" is?
i just dont get it. I came out of nearly 45 years of very promiscuous homsexuality and I do not understand why men would want to try and justify thier sexual preferences by using Christianity. If you lust after mens bodies just be honest about it dont try and put some religious spin on it when that religion obviously says that it is wrong. Why would a man who wants to engage in homosexual sex want to try and justify it with religion, i just dont get it? It cannot be clearer and i say it as someone who has really plumbed the depths of homosexuality, that the sexual act between 2 men is probably the most unnatural thing 2 men can do and it would be a really weird religion that said it was ok or even promoted it.
Read Rom 1:23-28...
Because. Bottom line there is a God. And he is for all. They want to know Christ. Try again.
umm Christ wasn't a homophobe
Are you serious!?
@@jdwright841 what about it?
I wonder if Talks at Google would allow an Evangelical Christian to give a presentation on why homosexuality is a sin?
The answer on James White was BRILLIANT.
he said he would debate james white when his book came out but he never did
Matthew Vines is a hero.
It’s the truth and nobody wants to accept the hardcore truth that same sex relationships is a Sin !
If I see two guys kissing something tells subconsciously that’s absolutely wrong and not right .
Moises Rivas but you’re a sinner . No ? I mean ... we all are . Your simple judgement itself is a sin. List is a sin. We All sin.
first of all the fact that you are judging someone else's sexual preference is a sin itself, the only person that can judge a person is God. secondly, the bible is based on the basis of love and being kind to one another so i don't understand how being gay goes against that, if there was a scripture in the bible that actually said something about homosexuality and explained why validly then i would agree with you but there is none, all the bible has is different interpretations which everyone perceives differently.
If you are looking for an LGBT frindly Church you should check out the Episcopal Church
Christianity should be about being kind and accepting to everyone. It even says in the bible, multiple times, judging another human is a sin.
Well accenting that someone is living in sin isnt loving, also the bible doesn't say judging is a sin. It says Judge lest you be judged. It also teaches us how to judge. Pluck the log out of your own eye so that you can see clearly the cast the beam out of your brother's eye. I'm paraphrasing because I'm writing this on the top of my head. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 it says that homosexuals win not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
@@breezyop7762 1 Co 6 does so not say that. That mistranslation is what started this whole mess and even duped me for many years. No one knows for sure what 1 Co 6 is talking about although there are some very good explanations that do not involve castigating a whole group of people who aren't doing anything to hurt anyone.
The Bible says to be careful how you judge because God will judge you with the same standards you apply to other people. There are times when God tells us we have to recognize sin, warn people about it, and call them to repentance.
However, the Bible does not say anywhere that all same-sex relationships are wrong. There are some prohibitions and condemnations of specific same-sex acts, just like there are warnings about specific opposite-sex acts, but not a broad, general condemnation of either same- or opposite-sex relationships.
If being christian means discriminating other children of god then I'm not christian anymore
Being Christian means following the word of God and living by his word and not the word of man. If scripture said it was ok then it would be but God said it was a sin of the flesh, a sexual sin, one that he condemns and we know God hates sin. Be careful of the false Christ and the false prophet because many will arise in the last days, I.e now and will deceive the world and if they can the elect. The word of God is truth, it is life and it is love, Deny the flesh and pursue the love of God. I love everyone as God has called me us to do. But the word of God does not compromise so I will not compromise my conviction which aligns with his word. I pray for those who are afflicted by this curse of Satan and bind such spirits in the heavenly realm that they have no power over the elect of God, over his children his humble servants, that the grace and mercy of God is in those who believe the word of the lord and worship Jesus Christ in the name of Jesus I pray amen.
@@MyDrago45 if god died for our sins then why are their still gay people. Yea that's what I thought
@@jacobmolinaaa Because him dying for our sins, is an extension of his mercy and grace. He died so that we who are inherently evil may have a chance at eternal life, salvation and glory. But many choose to refuse him. Many walk this earth and worship false deities, many mold his word to suit their own needs and wants. Not to mention the devil roams this world and causes chaos, confusion, unrest, distrust, he puts curses on bloodlines, curses on households, and on people, he uses the sins of man so they may stray from God. 1 John 3:8 "8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." Jude 1:4 ESV /
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
@@MyDrago45 so its sinful to be yourself and love who you wanna love. People are so hypocritical nowadays. Your telling people to not love when you go and love someone. Learn respect. Its not about religon.
merp slurp Then this conversation has ended. Not once did I state it was a sin to love, God is love there is no love without God , being able to love us a gift from God. If you call being yourself this then I beg to differ. I was personally afflicted by this sin of confused sexuality, and I felt bound, cursed, I feel sick inside bc I knew it was wrong not because others told me but because the word of God said so. The Holy Spirit in me told me this wasn’t who I really was, and I eventually after years of battling spiritually overcame not by my hand but by the hand of the mighty God I serve, by the blood of Jesus Christ. Many allow the devil to plague their thoughts and shower their minds with deception and false knowledge. The love for man w/ man and woman w/ woman stems from sexual perversions. It comes through sexual means. And my conviction doesn’t come from my “religion”. I believe in a spiritual relationship with Jesus and God. You can choose to ignore these words but the wages of sin is death. A death of the soul too burn in the lake of fire for eternity, do not allow sin to control your life. And read those bible verses instead of just replying to reply because I can tell by your response that’s all you did. Go in peace and the mercy and grace of the lord be over you and guide you into his welcoming arms.
This is brave and I needed to hear this.
Jesus never openly discusses homosexuality in the New Testament, but he does address sexual immorality and adultery. My question is... as a gay person, how does one define"sexual immorality" or "adultery" and by what specific standards?
I have so enjoyed listening to this video. I do not agree with all of Matthews views and arguments, but I love hearing his heart and his approach to speaking with evangelical conservative Christians. This is the approach of ALL apologetics. I love his responses to the questions too- in order to engage someone is a disagreement you have to UNDERSTAND and approach the disagreement from their perspective of beliefs.
As a Christian I believe in Jesus and he orders us to
1 love each other
2 treat others as youd like to be treated
You can be gay straight martian who cares! I love you and respect you ❤
Don't tell me God created man and woman just so they can run away from what they were made for..
God gave us the will of choice why so choose bad choice?
@Joelle meaning Jehovah is God jesus died for our sins, he also said if we repent then we will be ok, if he is almighty then he will understand whats in a mans heart, he is merciful and loves us, he COMMANDS us to love one another, in other words to get along regardless of how we are like, I love you and I ask you to please pray for me, I will pray for you, may the Lord bless you and your family.
@@christianluna8849 True his command was to multiply and it takes a man and woman to have sex to have children and so on, two men or women cannot have children thats true, I believe his word is true, He also said not to judge for we are all sinners, I do not judge gays, its against the word of god, He also said to repent and our sins will be forgiven, I am a sinner who seeks our Lords grace and his forgiveness who Am I to judge other fellow christians? Are they sinners for laying with another man? Yes, but they have a CHOICE (just like you said) the Almighty gave them free will, to repent and to seek forgiveness, remember Jesus forgave the sins of a Prostitute, he showed love even to those who were torturing him, those who spat on him, he tells us to follow his example and to love even our enemies, peace be with you.
When I see people who profess to be Christian state things like this, I begin to weep because people have been misled -and have gladly allowed themselves to be misled- because they have rejected the veracity of God's Word and have chosen to invent convenient doctrines for themselves.
Matthew 16:24-26 "24Then Jesus told His disciples, “*If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me*. 25For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?"
Jesus ordered us to love God FIRST then humans second, implying that God and His Word trump what humans say/think/feel. Please, please, PLEASE start to read your Bible: your eternal salvation literally depends on you staying on the narrow path of righteousness.
Matthew 22:37-38 "37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’"
Joelle meaning Jehovah is God hypocrisy at it’s finest... don’t try to tell me that you are not a sinner yourself you lie everyday you curse everyday we’re all sinners!!
Debate James White! Debate James White! Debate James White! If for no other reason, to show how we are, as you put it vitriolic. I think you know he would just completely destroy the arguments you bring up, so you do not face him. I am with Tony Armour, If Vines has a solid argument, then debate James White. One good thing Vines says is to dilligently study the Scriptures. I wholeheartily agree that as Christians we are not able to defend ourselves against the mangling of Scripture that Vines has done because we ourselves are not studying the Word of God able to give the answer people need to hear. Also Mr. Vines, it seems pretty vitriolic for a man not to be worth your time. If I was wanting to convince someone that homosexuality was not a sin, and judging homosexuals was indeed a sin, then James White should be the very man to debate because he is in danger of God's wrath. You and the issue I know are worth James White's time, which seems more loving if he is trying to save your soul from God's wrath. Repent Mr. Vines. God will judge homosexuality, and all the other sins you commit on earth if you continue living in sin. Trust in Jesus to give you new desires. If you cannot live as a married man, then live as a celibite (sorry if the spelling is wrong.) Live as a man willing to live life doing the right thing. God is not concerned so much with our happiness as he is with our holiness. Just because I have a temptation toward a certain thing does not mean God wants me to live in that certain thing. You were born gay. I was born to disobey my parents. I was disciplined to obey them. Discipline yourself toward godliness. I do not pretend that dealing with homosexuality is easy. However, I know that the Scriptures clearly condemn it, and so we do not base our theology on our experience but the Bible. We disagree Mr. Vines, but I and Dr. James White love you too much not to tell you the truth. Repent of your sin, trust in the Lord Jesus Christ that He will help you overcome your sin... and Debate James White!
Simon Botte Thank you for your reply. I would like to say placing names on people is not very professional in a debate on an issue. Just because James White is against homosexuality does not mean he is, as you put it a "homophobe." A homophobe (though not even really a word) implies that one is afraid of homosexuals, which James White is not. He is also not a homosexual hater. Even pro-homosexual people who interviewed him on the Dr. Drew show recognized that. Dr. White believes that homosexuality is a sin. No more, no less.
I do not know all of the other people you are refering too, but I will tackle the few I do know about. Before I do so, I would like to mention that these are irrelivant to wether homosexuality is a sin or not. The Bible is very clear that it is a sin. Here is a link to an article I wrote a Biblical response to if you wish to see all my biblical reasons. (nazareneally.com/2013/03/28/well-suited/) These other issues you have brought up are not pertaining to the main issue.
However, in the instances I am aware of, let us takle those. Josh Duggar when he was 14 did disgusting and detestable things to his sisters and other girls. He also confessed to it, repented of it, was taken to the police to be charged for it, and has not done it since. If a Christian repents of their sins God is faithful and just to forgive them of their sins and cleanse from all unrighteousness. If Josh was still a pedophile today, then he should be judged and condemned. Since he is not, but is forgiven, yes, as Christians we forgive him to. That's what we do. We do not encourage his sin, we do not make light of his sin, but we do forgive him.
I do not know all of the Graham story, but no one in the church community condones adultary. If that is in fact what he has done, he should submit himself to church discipline, and should have his credentials for being a minister taken away, plain and simple. He is not qualified to be a minister at that point.
I do not know about the rest, but again, they are not the main issue. The main issue is this; is what Matthew Vines teaching true? Is homosexuality biblically acceptable? The Bible's answer is no, therfore, my answer is no. Let's just say for the sake of argument David and Jonathan had an inappropriate affection for each other. They were both under the Law of Moses, they both knew the Law of Moses, and they honored it more than their affection for each other. They therefore viewed God and His law more highly than themselves. I however do not believe that is what the text is showing because of how negatively the rest of the Bible talks about homosexuality. Even Matthew Vines says that the Bible talks of homosexuality in a negative light.
Matthew 7:12 "So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also for them for this is the Law and the Prophets." This verse talks about all the good we want done for us, do that for others. This is not saying, "If you want to have whatever you want, let everyone else whatever they want." We have one truth. God's truth. If you cannot accept the truth of Scripture, you have that right. God gives you the right of choice. But the wrong choice has severe consequences, which is why people like James White will stand and say homsexuality is a sin speak out because he does not want them to face the wrath of God, which is loving. If you are in a car that will not start, and a man bashes the windows to drag you out of a car, that sounds violent and unloving. But if you found out that the man dragged you out of a car because there was an oncoming train, you would be thankful to the man. James White is merely breaking glass, trying to get you out of the car of your sin before the train of God's wrath destroys you.
Please, in your arguements, refrain from name calling. It is unprofessional, and lessens your credibility. Thanks for your response.
Simon Botte I was not aware homophobe was a real word. I honestly did not. I also respectfully disagreed with you. Again, I do not think name calling in this debate is very constructive, but clear articulate points. If I were to call people who diagreed with me heterophobes, they would (1) rightly tell me it is not a word, but a name I created as a label for people who disagree with me, and (2) discredit any real arguments I may have had. You may have some good points, but you can not articulate them without throwing out belittling names to those who disagree with you. KKKristians I know for fact is not a word, but only a name that was created to label people you disagree with. If we are going by the definition of homophobe from the Merriam-Webster dictionary, I am not one. As I have said before, I do not hate homosexuals. They are people who deserve the Church's compassion and help. I hate homosexuality because God hates homosexuality. I want homosexuals to come to know and love Christ and follow Him. I want homosexuals to repent of their sins so they can spend eternity in heaven with God. That is not unloving at all. I wish we could agree on this topic, Simon, but if we can not, at least argue with tangible points and refrain from name calling. As I said it is unprofessional. I was not aware I played any victim card in my arguments. I would be happy to address them if I have made any victim card remarks. Thanks.
Simon Botte Wow. I now saw that not only are you unprofessional with your name calling in debate, you are unoriginal as this is the exact same thing you say to all the people you disagree with. Lessens your credibly once more. Be professional in your debate is all I ask. Thanks.
Simon Botte David and Jonathan were not romantic. As the text says, Jonathan was like a brother to David. His love for him, more wonderful than that of women could have been more wonderful than the love of his mother or sisters or even his wife(ves). David was not exactly the role model on relationships. This verse is describing how he felt. He loved Jonathan as a brother, not a spouse. He is making a comparison, not a statement on his own sexuality. Seeing as how David married women and not Jonathan, it is safe to say that David nor Jonathan were gay.
re-read the entire story of their connection. There are details that can give rise to the possibility of something more than just mere best of buds.
When One (from any background) yield ones life to Christ, the only identity one have from then on is "Christian" ✝️ ❤
May Your Walk with Christ be full of his Grace.
Thank you. I’m a Catholic first and gay second. I pray that in some lifetime we will be able to marry in the church.
Very good gay,we hope to see, him selected as a gay president, in the WHITE HOUSE.
Not all those who say lord lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven
The Bible also says, judge lest not ye be judged. So, how do you say this without being judge mental yourself by just saying that? I know your statement did not come from a loving point of view. I know that statement won’t change anyone’s mind but it will cause them to dislike Christians. How do we say this without judgement and coming from a loving point of view? We are so attacked as Christians and this comment is one of the reasons people such as myself are wrongfully judged. Also, my daughters nephew on her fathers side is five years old. His parents are not gay and he has not been spending time around gay people. However, he has been getting into his mothers clothing, came out in her dress and heels, put his hands in the air and said, “Don’t I look fabulous?”. Also, his dad bought him a football backpack for his first day of school and on the way out the door, his father realized that he had bedazzled it with gemstones. So, how do you say this is wrong when this child literally was born that way? If you try and change them you make them feel that there is something wrong with them and if you believe in God, you would also believe that God made them this way and they were made perfect in God’s image. Don’t get me wrong...I agree homosexuality is a sin from a biblical stand point but I don’t really know what to make of this 😢. I do totally believe my daughter and that this happened. Also, to the man in this video, thank you because this is cultural and yes there is nothing wrong with long hair on a man. Our culture is changing. Truly, I believe it’s all about love, but then again, at one time it was culturally correct (Roman Times for example), to have sex with children and this is wrong and we all believe that is wrong (one would hope). So, because something is culturally correct, does not make it right. It is all so confusing 🌈😢
meh!
@@hollykessler3359 geez you've got a heap of cognitive dissonance!
I hope you're moved on from the homophobic, "Christian" nonsense
Your sexuality, is not only about your organs.. it's built-in within your personality.. the way you think, the way you speak, the way you pray, the way you interact with other, the way you raise your kids.. God intended you to be either a male or a female to fulfill a certain role in this "transit" life on earth.. being part of His Holy Body .. May Jesus Christ, with His Healing Power of Love, lead us all to the path of The Kingdom.. not using the word of God but rather LIVING it .. demonstrating it in your life aiming to live with Him here and eternally.
There is no Scriptural justification for the gay lifestyle
Richard Wharton tHe GaY lIfEsTyLe
What is the "gay lifestyle"? Because gay people live just like straight people(more so gay christian) the only difference being who they choose to get intimate with.
Sustanon let me just say what Scripture says about same sex unions. It is sin and all sin is against God. One calling himself a Christian should show the fruits of the Spirit of God, not the fruits of the Devil
@@richardwharton590 but it's actually not a sin
@@richardwharton590 The fact that you cite homosexuality as a lifestyle demonstrates how uniformed you are in regards to homosexuality.
i would like to say is that people no longer have the fear of God in them.where is the time were we would go on our knees and pray for the grace God , were is the time we longed for fellowship with God ,these days we are self serving and lack knowlege.we are selfish and we dont care about one another.where is the time we seeked God.
So you'd like to live in the medieval times? Besides, every generation gets critiqued by the older ones for selfishness. It's just over and over
meh!
This completely sad that they twist scriptures to suit their own notion of how things ought to be
Absolutely.
right back at ya
i attended an lgbt church service to find out for myself the spirit present. the people were lovely and treated me with more warmth than a lot of other churches i have visited in my 27 years as a christian. but despite the warmth and despite the friendliness, all worship songs focusing on sin had been removed from the song book, they changed the Lord's Prayer so as to NOT say out loud forgive us our trespasses. my conclusion from the night was a meeting of lovely people made in God's image but a meeting devoid of the Holy Spirit and a meeting intentionally devoid of any kind of personal accountability before God. there was much more i could write but i think this says enough
Matthew Vines is one of my favourite humans!
Mine too
We must remember... we all sin. ALL OF US. And even if you do not agree... well.... it's not our place to judge.... leave that to GOD. Judging... is a sin in itself. Be kind and love your neighbor... even if you do not agree with their lifestyle. No Jesus and God loving person should be slandering someone and making them feel awful... pretty sure Jesus would not act in such a way. You don't have to agree but you also don't have to be cruel.
judging someone based on actions is not a sin! Matthew 7:1, the context (verses 1-5) allows judging after you have first judged YOURSELF. Jesus did not make a blanket statement against judgment. He simply pointed out a RULE for judging.
Stand for GOD no matter what if you are a child of the True GOD you should know that.
The Bible says we should judge people according to their actions, not their motives. So whenever I hear someone say “It is not your place to judge me, leave that to God”, I get really confused. Because the Bible tells us to hold our brethren accountable and not let them be led astray.
In other words, if you see your friend sinning, do not turn a blind eye. You should address it with them, hold them accountable of their wrongdoings, and correct them. But you should not do it out of spite, you should do it out of love. And if they choose to listen or not, that’s fine. At least you tried to correct them.
But in today’s world, people do not like correction. They label it as being judgy, or being a bigot, or being discriminatory. The Word of God is considered discriminatory in today’s world, how sad is that? Sooner or late people will start calling it hate speech. I can’t wait for Christ to return.
Anyway, the Bible condemns homosexuality and says it is an abomination onto God. That is taken STRAIGHT from Scripture, so disagree with me all you want, but that wi not change the fact that it is true. Just because you don’t agree with something, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. If you disagree with the truth, then you are living a lie. People need to realize this, and they need to soon.
You can not rationalize or reinterpret your way out of a sin.
Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are designed ONLY for the House of Israel.
Gentiles are not bound by that Covenant.
Jesus Christ can lick my ass
@Pixi Romans 1 is talking about temple orgies, a common practice in the Greco-Roman world
@@arvinbrinas8732 why do you hate Jesus? Jesus Loves you and he died for you even if you hate him he still has an unbreakable love for you ❤️
meh!
I wish you were single anyway keep up the awesome work because you are a blessing ! Pastor Dino Puglia!
Read Romans 6 and studied it. When we're a born again Christian the old man dies. We want to live holy in the spirit, not be lead by our flesh. We want to give up sin not live in it. To continue in sin let's the enemy in our life.
For you straight PPL ...
Jas imagine ( for men ) if girls were actually guys or ( for women ) if guys were actually girls and you were obliged to actually be attracted or be with them . How would you feel ?
That's exactly what we feel . There's just no attraction in that way .
Idk whats wrong or what's right but isn't it lawful to be kind and considerate to everyone ? We definitely need to do that and try to understand each other . The Bible is a very very powerful word but it has also been translated and changed many times and had been agn left with words which can be interpreted many ways it also contradicts and makes difference in itself so we need to read every page or understand the final word it spreads .
That's a convenient argument to say that we can't know what God meant in His word and, therefore, we can do whatever we want!
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I understand it, but that doesn't change its wrong.
as a Homosexual. The Fruit of the Flesh is Temporary, The Fruit of God, The Spirit of God is Infinite.
We are all children of God.
Love is God and Love has no Gender.
You can be gay and decent and respectful and professional and a great leader like anyone else.
Love is not God but God is love and he says “ if you love me , keep my commandments “
I'm bi, christian, and proud. and if ya'll dirty homophobic people have a problem with that, then you can kiss my boot cause I don't give a care about what you think. Because love is love no matter what gender you may be interested in, and there is no reason for someone to try and stop you from loving who you love. Just because you believe and think one way, doesn't mean everyone else believes what you believe so leave LGBT alone and mind your own business. And to parents, if your child comes out to you as homosexual and you happen to be homophobic, think about this. "If I really loved my child, I would take them for who they are, instead of being angry that they don't like the opposite gender." Stop trying to cause us problems because you believe some certain religion. I'm also female 👌✌✌👍😘💕❤🙌
Christians don’t talk like that
Scripture is obviously open to interpretation, but how being gay is seen as a Christian way of life is NUTS! God is not into us rejecting his plan of a man-woman relationship being the only possible Christian marriage! Noone who is gay can be married IN GOD'S EYES!
I wonder how well Mr. Vine's knows James White? He incorrectly categorized him as a Southern Baptist, yet Mr. White has not been a part of that organization for many years (more than a decade for sure, and perhaps more than 2 decades); Mr. White is actually disliked by many Southern Baptists, including some in leadership positions, because of other theological positions he affirms and his criticism of some ministers and leaders in the SBC.
usandmexico He should debate Dr James White. If Vines believes his arguments to be solid then what is he so afraid of?
All of those things are outside of what God has designed for our sexuality. Matthew simply doesn't want to hear that and he knows his arguments won't stand against someone who knows their bible as well as Dr James White.
I deeply appreciate Mr. Vine’s articulation of meaningful, respectful, and lucid engagement with sincere evangelical Christians on the topic of re-examining the Scriptures concerning LGBT people and believers. You set a high bar and offer grace to us who are acclimating to the challenge of speaking out our changing understanding of biblical sexuality. Thank you for your personal courage. I am grateful for your ongoing investment in and equipping of the silently affirming and silent open-minded among the Christian church. I hope to do my part in my community.
No one will ever crucify Matthew Vines.
IS there anyone who must?
Christ-like means speaking the truth in love
I love this dude. His last name is vines! Get it?! Get it?!😂😁😀😃
DO IT FOR THE VINE!
I can tell this is either a facebook white parent or a 6 y/o cringy kid
Matthew Vines is such a great human and beyond his time. Grateful he exists and for his research.
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Beware of false teaching(Matthew 7:15). Watch this video, it's better
I am gay and I in fact do believe in Christianity what I do not believe in is overusing your Christianity to an extent where you act like being in this certain religion should give you more power . It shouldn’t be a sin to be gay / we should be allowed to be gay if we please. As it says “ we claim the privilege of worshiping almighty god according to the dictates of our own conscience , and allow all men the same privilege , let them worship how, where , or what they may” articles of faith 11-
When people say “ turn to god “ it’s using god as an argument that you are doing wrong , it uses god against the person which god wouldn’t like. Overpowering your religion because there’s also the fact people arent Christian either some don’t even choose religion which is fine. Saying things like “turn to god” is wrong if using it blindly , people judge blindly .
“ do not judge according to appearance but judge with righteous judgement “ ( John 7:24 )
If I know it right you nevertheless anyone should have the right to judge people for god but for got to judge us himself
Everyone's trying to cover the truth, God says marrige is a man and a woman also he says that homosexuality is a sin because the murder, the thief, the homosexuals wonf inherite the kingdom of God, therefore its a sin, however you can be foregiven but thats up to you or not.
sure
I believe God's words can never be change nor bent.
I think even the bible was translated to a different language or pass to a lot of generation, God wont allow to give his people diff interpretation of his word.
We should take bible His word seriously.
Well no kidding it was translated. However, I do think something was changed. The verse of Corinthians 6:9 was originally Men who lie with Boys. Now it's Men who practice homosexuality.
@@mtgamerguy Wrong
@@bkstandard882 you can't just say wrong and have nothing else to say. If you had true evidence you would have stated it.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
The Word of God is very clear about this. Jesus Christ is the Word of God!
Hebrews 13:8 (KJV) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
John 1:1-2 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
@@WarriorForChristJesus what's your point, if you know?
The deception of homosexuality is very strong. I'm just glad God loves everyone no matter what their sin is.
meh!
Gods about to move in the gay community like never before I believe millions are coming in and will be known to be mighty on the earth. Watch as God gets them and sets them free from that mind blinding spirit. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Brothers and sisters, we need to live Matthew Vine up in our prayers. Anyone who wishes to depart from the word of God and bring others along with them in preaching a different gospel is someone who is deceived and accursed. There is no such thing as a gay affirming Christian, we are to not turn a blind eye to sin. Please deepen your relationship with the true Jesus in His word. I have many gay friends whom I love dearly but I never compromise on the truth when talking about matters such as these x
simp
You said it right there gay people are trying to find their own way that's the problem instead of reading the scripture in choosing God's way.
We are all children of God in the end only God can judge them we are all brothers and sisters we are all children of God
God Forgives any sin if you truly repent even the sin of being gay .
@Moises Rivas Being gay is not a lifestyle choice, and neither is being straight. It's not okay repenting of being who you are, that would just end up leading to depression and even suicidal thoughts. God loves us the exact way we all are.
Homosexuality is not equal to others.
See that’s what all straight people say... you can literally ask all gay people that trust us we done that nothing changes
get a grip
I absolutely can't stand James White and hate his Calvinistic theology, but I have to admit he destroyed these extremely weak "arguments" by Matthew Vines.
that's because it's his field of expertise. Vines doesn't have that kind of scholarship, nor does he view scripture as highly as White does. He probably doesn't have an epistemology based on God's revelation, like White does. These vital theological differences lead to big differences when handling this topic.
It's so important that people go back to the theology, because at the end of the day, this presentation is ridiculous if you regard the bible highly. It would be funny if it wasn't deceiving so many people.
Except that the Bible was written by men so any argument on purely Biblical grounds is meaningless. Contrary to popular church ideology it isn’t an infallible text and also promotes slavery, polygamy, the subordination of women, stoning of children, etc. Can you defend any of that stuff?? Then you literally cannot defend homophobia. The underpinning of Scripture is Jesus and unconditional love. Stop trying to excuse bigotry in God’s name.
Matthew 19:5-6 (GODS DESIGN FOR PROSTERITY)
...and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED INSEPARABLY TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Last time I checked these rules in the Old Testament applied to the Israelites and I know that most of us are not descendents of Israelites. Read the story of Babel. You will see that God scattered the people across the world and the Israelites only took up a percentage the worlds populous. And today descendents of the Israelites still make up a small percentage of todays world populous. In the New Testament, Jesus does not mention about those laws. Actually he does and those are only the Ten Commandments which say nothing about how being gay is a sin. Now you can be sexualy imoral being gay as you can being straight. Being gay has nothing to do with someones ability to claim Jesus as the one who died for our sins. Nothing at all. And unless you ask for forgiveness every second of your life expept for eating, drinking, and sleeping, you cannot speak if you think being gay is a sin. You sin as much as a gay person. You really do. No more and no less.
Your argument does not show that the homosexual lifestyle is biblical!
simp
These people are really confused people. When God saw Adam was lonely He could have easily made another man to keep him company but instead He took his time to create the woman. Whenever the bible talks about marriage its about the marriage between a man and a woman. They can make out what they think is marriage for themselves (man man, woman woman, man animal, woman animal, man tree, woman tree). The bible has been clear marriage is between a man and a woman nothing more nothing less.
Uh.... I see the little beastiality reference there. First off, making love to an animal is sick, animals can’t consent, marrying a tree is ridiculous, and with what you’re saying is that if a man is lonely and craves a romantic relationship ( which is the strongest need as a human), if they can’t be with a woman, God wants them to be lonely forever?
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“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15-16, KJV)
righto
i think matthew is a reformer. i however think the whole god thing has seen its best days and is in its waning years. it's just time for humanity to move on.
Look at the war in the comments!
How.... reflective
Some Christians are gay and some churches need to get over it.
im a gay Christian and i will never change
And you are sinning by demonizing God's children. Follow the gospel of Christ. Believe in the healing power or lose your faith.
Brandon Gwyn Gay is not the only sin. Everyone is a sinner bud
@@alexboyce2842 That's true.... But, God didn't destroyed 2 villages because of those other sins, did he? He clearly stated why in the bible he ended up whipping those villages out. You can paint the sky purple all you want but at the end of the day it's still blue whether you like it or not.
Nirva Rene yeaaa but I also have no evidence of god and him destroying his children. It’s one thing if god wants to punish us for not following his rules but it’s another thing if he wants to “burn” his children for eternity. That’s basically an artist throwing his projects away. In my Opinion if god burns his children as a punishment that sick and twisted
Steven Soilea interesting perspective, but you are wrong. These sayings have been factually proved wrong and it is a shame that you think you are on the same level of God when you said "God and I", it is a shame because you have stated that God hates gays which clearly shows that you are not one close at all with Christ as Christ is omnipotent and does not hate, so unfortunately you have lied twice in one paragraph, making you sin even more leaving you therefore someone who needs love from God, as you clearly don't reciprocate the bibles morals and preaches, Amen
Matthew Vines' refusal to debate James White indicates his fear of Biblical challenge. I'm saddened by his lack of intellectual integrity.
Simon Botte Whoa! Do I sense copy paste going on.
+Matthew Vines You're joking, right? Surely you don't seriously have such a sloppy understanding of Scripture! No wonder you're afraid to debate James White!
***** Wow! Please explain how porn, multiple partners, casual sex are biblical. Explain how Christ supports the "wholesome" act of Sodomy from Scripture. And please debate James White. If you have any passion for this position, you would debate someone who is passionately against it. Not doing so only shows how weak your position is. If you have a strong Biblical case for all those relationships, then you should not be afraid to debate James White. It will only help your case if it is so strong. Thanks.
He's spoken to other conservative leaders like Russell Moore and Robert Gagnon.
Simon Botte