$200 Tromba vs $9000 Monette MB-111! A Tale of Two Trumpets - Trent Austin Comparison Showdown!
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2020
- Having some fun with this video comparing the "cheapest" ($200 Tromba Plastic Trumpet) and most expensive ($9000 Monette MB-111 Trumpet handmade from Portland, OR).
People often wonder, "what's the cheapest trumpet I can get and still sound good?" and, "are high-dollar horns really worth the money?" Only you can decide which horn has the best value for YOU, but maybe this video can help you hear the differences between the two extremes of price!
Share your opinion in the comments! Which horn do YOU like better? What differences do you hear in the sound? Keep in mind this is a raw audio recording with no processing or reverb to sweeten the sound.
Want to hear a "fairer" comparsion? Check out this video as well between a Prana Monette and the ACB by Adams Coppernicus:
• ACB Trumpet Comparison...
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Muito simpático o Sr.
Professor do trompet.
How would it sound with metal mouthpiece. Nice sound but not quit as tight
@@davidewing7752 This mouthpiece is actually acrylic. Very close to metal when paired with the right metallic backbore.
Proof it's the player not the horn.
I think it's safe to say that it doesn't sound 4,500% better
Oh, yeah!!!in this case it's not obvious at all!! you got the last word. Period.
Brilliant comment.
But how does it feel???
The MB-111 has a more "standard" trumpet sound compared so something dark like my MC-61. However, what cannot be understood from watching a video and with the mic setup he has, is the response, intonation, size of harmonic slots and where they're located, the density of the sound, the clarity of the edge of the sound, and so much more. To understand what makes Monette trumpets so amazing, you really need to play one.
A great player, can make any horn sound superb, the price différance here, is INSANE......
I have absolutely no idea how these instruments would sound live, but 99.3% of the music anyone hears is coming out of speakers or earbuds, so it probably doesn't matter much. I also don't know how real recorded audio that didn't go thru UA-cam's compression algorithms would sound. Given those caveats, and listening at an unrealistically low volume, they sounded pretty close to me.
What really amazes me is the plastic thing actually sounds like a brass instrument, and not a piece of plastic. That is really a bit of nontrivial engineering on the part of the designers and makers of that thing!
I would like to know about the valves, plastic or metal. How would they hold up compared to a Bach Strad?
Interestingly it doesn't actually take any engineering; the 'brass sound' isn't related to brass at all, and is is due to the shape of the horn, not the material it's made from.
Any instrument with a trumpet-shaped bell will sound like a brass instrument -- changing the shape of the bell will dramatically change the sound, eg, mutes etc. This is known as the 'bell effect'
Yeah well after listening to this through different speakers and earphones and ear buds I’m going to say the best value here without a doubt is the tromba plastic trumpet. There is not $8800 dollars in difference as far as sound.
maybe not $8,000.00 worth of sonic difference, but if you look carefully the Monette is much easier to play. You have to ask yourself how much is it worth to be able to play the end of a gig like you did the beginning?
I play a NY Bach Strad, and a Getzen Severinsen, both Bb horns. Studied a bit at Indiana University under Adams back in the '70s, until I switched to engineering at Purdue. I used to play pretty well, but put down my horn for 35 years, until a few years back. The jazz band that asked me to join them had about half their sheets for piano, and my transposing sucked after 35 years, so I decided to pick up a C horn to get me through the relearning. No good used horns found, so I ordered the $180 Trumba C trumpet. Some background before the Trumba talk...
I also joined a couple of concert bands a bit later. The jazz works best on the Getzen with a Bach 1C (my range from pedals to double highs is great on a 1C). The concert stuff sounds best on my Bach with a Picket 3 mouthpiece. Much fuller, deeper sound, with the same range as the Getzen. The Picket on the Bach slots great, has much stronger low range, and gives me great endurance. The Picket sucks on the Getzen! The 1C is fine on the Back, but does not slot as well. The mouthpiece makes a HUGE difference, and is quite different on each horn.
First off, the Trumba actually works best with the 5C plastic mouthpiece that it came with. Not well with other plastic mouthpieces I have, or the 7C it also came with, or any of my Bach or other "real" mouthpieces. The 5C plastic mouthpiece does not work well on my Bach or Getzen. The 5C on my Bach sounds airy at best, and low range is terrible. However, both low and high range on the Trumba leave a lot to be desired. A below the staff is great, but not G or F# (OK, but high effort for full sound). High C is where the solid sound ends and starts sounding more like a double high C on my Getzen or Bach. So this plastic horn has severe limits on the extreme high end and the very low end, and forget pedal tones. Worse than the range is the sucky valves. They work fine, and keep up with most of what I do, but they feel crappy. The third valve slide is terrible, but this horn lips down easily, so there is that. With all that said, I have to admit that the sound that comes out of my Trumba is insanely good for nearly all playing within its range (A below staff to high C above; B below to D above on the Bb horns). It is so good, and so much fun to play, that I just use it for all or C concert scored sheets. Yes, those with a good ear will hear the difference with the Getzen as I switch back and forth, but that might be one or two people in a room of a hundred. Both horns project well in large rooms. Getting great sound out of a feather-light horn I bought new for $180 is amazing. I love my Bach and Getzen for the fine quality performance and sound they give, but I love my toy trumpet, too. I love when someone comes up after a performance to ask about it, and then is astounded when they hold it and see how light it is. I love how careless I can be with it, never worrying about dents and such. I don't mind that it needs more frequent cleanings. I am amazed that after 3 years of play, it still feels like new and ready to continue on for another 10.
Thank you for your comments. Very helpful. I’m not a trumpet player but I was looking into plastic French horns. Haven’t played in 30 years and not sure I want to invest in an expensive one. Have to see if I can be good again first.
I'm so impressed because there's a little difference in both sounds. But, there's a big difference in price.
Lucas Costa You won’t hear much difference playing that close to a mic, and posting the video on UA-cam so it can get compressed. You’ll hear projection differences and bits of tone color in person if anything.
yeah, for the difference that I hear I'd go for the Tromba.
Monette sound even better when played with their mouth pieces. The horns are made that way. I have a MF STC and is hands down the best horn I have ever played.
Thank you, your time served musical knowledge, discipline, application and fabulous demeanor fills the/any horn with that special skill & emotion that makes the difference for any listener. It's appreciated.
You always sound great Trent! IMO Monettes are vastly overpriced. Plenty of other affordable great horns on the market. And for $200 the Tromba sounds great! There’s no way I’d spend 9K on that Monette. Peace!
Thanks Trent! Love the demos.
I just caught up with this fascinating presentation. Thanks for offering it to us and risking the flak you may have received!
As a recovering pipe organ technician, the first thing I noticed was the brighter harmonic development of the Tromba. I'd have to hear it in context to know whether it can project effectively, a factor probably most influenced by the materials used and their thicknesses, but overall it sounds as if it has a narrower bore. And I want to try it myself. The Monette sounds more like the Olds Custom Clark Terry model I met in a pawn shop and fell in love with, and I'm sure that with decent care it will reward its purchasers with lifetimes of reliable service. Its buttery sound has other charms and uses. Apples vs oranges, but still very instructive and I'm glad I came across your post.
The way a horn projects in a large space is a better test, but this really goes to show sound is probably 99% the player and 1% the equipment.
I guess I've found the place where all the trumpet players hang out when there are no gigs! You're right about the large space. I picked up a used MB-111 last year and am loving it. Hope to see you around once the apocalypse has ended!
Awesome new equip Trent ! Have Fun !
Quem é bom toca qualquer trompete .parabens
Gracias Trent, eres muy simpático y didáctico. Gracias. Muchas gracias. Yo también tocó trompeta, y me encanta compararlas . Desde Chile.
Beautiful playing!!!
Thanks for listening
Wonderful musician can make any instrument take us onto amazing adventure... brilliant
Many thanks
Im not a trumpet player, but When I was a newish guitar player I was always amazed how terrific and full my inexpensive student guitar sounded in the hands of my teacher. And yea it was cool to see this comparison.
That was fun Trent! The Monette does sound better, but I’m impressed by the Tromba! I have a pTrumpet and it sounds okay and is easy and fun to play (and you can stuff it in a backpack and keep under weight limits for carryons on international flights). But the valves on the pTrumpet are awful. Wish I’d sprung the extra $100 for the Tromba :)
Are you becoming UA-cam famous?!!!
Good luck brother! These vids are great!
more like infamous! hahahah!
Hi Trent - I'm loving your lockdown videos maybe even more than your regular ones. Here's an idea for a video: how great horn players get different tones. My all time favourite as a tone player is Chet (and contemporary players like Till Brönner) . But the one player I really cannot understand how he does what he does is John Hassell - he somehow gets a horn to sound like an alien flute or something.
Man, You're the best! The sound comes from you not form the horn.🙂As Herb Alpert said "is that the thing in my hands is just a piece of plumbing.
Good video, I can tell very little difference in sound quality between the two trumpets!
Yup... goes to show that practice not price does the business! There would be many reasons I would choose the more costly instrument, but sound is not really one of them... and I feel a whole lot more comfortable busking with a $200 Tromba than a top end trumpet more expensive than my car... :) Thanks for the fun video!
O som também é muito bonito!
I had both a Tromba Flugel and C Trumpet and the were fun to play and 99% of the people I played for had no idea they were made of plastic. They did sound pretty nice. The one thing I noticed was that the sound died as soon as you stopped blowing. There was no slight ring at the end of a note that I am used to with my brass horns. My only complaint was that the valves would start sticking after a day or so of sitting around.
Much enjoyed your video and reading the range of comments. The intonation on the Monette sounds more accurate to me and I can hear more overtones. Ofcourse you are such a fine player that you can make anything sound good. Reminds me of a sea kayaking holiday, accompanied by my plastic Tiger trumpet bungeed to the bow. I entertained some seals with a few tunes. No UA-cam in those days, otherwise I might have been a sensation haha. If cash was no object, there would be satisfaction with the Monette, in owning a piece of craftmanship.
I have a Tromba trumpet and a Yamaha YTR 232. I like the sound of the Tromba better for ballads and jazz. I generally perform with the Yamaha when playing with the band or orchestra, but use the Tromba for outdoor winter performances.
This comparison isn't fair at all. Trent Austin can put a mouthpiece on a watering can and still make it sound like million dollar instrument.
It's the Indian, not the arrow.
Just as Dennis Brain did on a hosepipe back in the 50s and played Mozart horn music
Yes, but I would add one added description; "beat-up rusty old" .......watering can ........
In fact, it's exactly fair because you're not worried that it's the player ruining the demo... but rather a true demo of the hardware itself -- good or bad.
Big difference in the sound.
That was impressive! How about doing a tromba flugelhorn vs any Adams Flugelhorn! That’ll be a Great one to watch listen and comment on since we’re all still locked in!
No thanks. Don't own a tromba flugel and have zero interest to purchase one. The trumpet was a gift.
I thought that when the Phil Collins segment ( ala burnt orange TA lead) arrived the Tromba wouldn’t find the slots up there but I was impressed. Not a bad little bandstand horn. Especially when you can personalize it with that cool Kansas City sticker on the bell
(won’t do that with the Monette I imagine) Thanks Trent!
KC won the Super Bowl....the Royals, W.S. In 2016.
I love how an entry-level Monette is still 3x the price of a Bach or Yamaha, and twice a Schilke, Adams, or other hand-made horn.
Just remember that an "entry-level" Monette, is NOT the same as an "entry-level" trumpet. All Monettes are professional level trumpets.
Those other horns are not the same as a Monette, I have played them all and there is a reason that Monette are high in price and they are that good. They take a lot of time to make and notes slot in and the tuning is at another level. Monette they are made that way.
Very interesting - the blue one seems to be a brighter sounding horn than the other one
Exactly! But why? And can its sound project the way a well designed brass horn can? I guess we'd have to find out for ourselves.
I like the tromba because of budget it sounds great thank you
Your skill decided the sound quality!
Because of your skill set, you make the $200 horn sound like it's worth $2000. Good job! But I'm sure that comparison would work better if I played...lol
Just found this, a couple years late. Shocked at how close the sound is between the two, considering the price difference. For sure, I’ll recommend those Tromba trumpets to new students, who’s parents are wrestling with renting vs buying the first student horn. It makes too much sense to just buy the thing for $150.
I don't know how those would sound live, but through phones it's almost impossible to tell them apart. IMHO the most important piece in this whole mechanism is the player. I'd even say if you are at least a decent player you can make the Tromba sound good. Now I don't now about durability(if can last as much time as a brass instrument) or the feel you have playing the Tromba(the valves response, air resistance, vibration).
Great video I like both I would use monette for paying gigs and practice like crazy on tromba I always say it’s more the player then instrument 🎷 🎺 🎻 you play very good my two cents
I personally own a tromba, and unfortunately not a Monette but a Yamaha YTR5335.
I like to rehearse with the tromba as it's very light, which is useful when using my electronick pickup mute. Moreover, as I'm not afraid of damaging it so I can leave it outside in the room forever, just hanged to my desk and it's then easier to play some notes even for 5 minutes in the day. It can also be useful when playing outside in streets in a crowdy place as it's extremely robust.
It has, of course, some drawbacks: the feelign of the pistons is definitely not as pleasant as the one of any 'real' trumpet (pistons are in plastic, just covered by a thin layer of metal). And another problem is that Tromba trumpet is more difficult to play: for a very limited player like me, reaching correctly the correct note is definitely easier with the Yamaha than with the Trombe. Thus, for any difficult piece, I tend to prefer the Yamaha.
But the Tromba is a really fun toy, that can be very useful in some occasions where you would not bring an expensinve instrument. Just be careful if you are a beginner: it's not the best instrument to learn as it's more difficult to play.
I love you buddy! Next comparison I want you to play Joy Spring on a garden hose in Eb.
🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤣
Great comparison Trent! I own 16 top of the line professional trumpets and I must admit the Tromba horn sounds really good as compared to the Monette. On the jazz and lead examples I actually thought the Tromba sounded better. On exercises and the etude I thought the Monette sounded better. Kids starting out don't need to be playing a pro horn. Even some beginning horns cost over a thousand dollars, which is way too much. Without mentioning brand names, the expensive big boys need to be careful or they are going to price themselves right out of the market. No one should be shelling out more tha $3000 for a pro horn; I don't care who made it! Some of the better imports are getting quite good. I bought a cheap $350 flugelhorn and it sounds better than my vintage Couesnon! Responsive, smooth and dark! I tell my students "sound is everything, it doesn't matter how high or how fast you can play". I believe pro horns are more adaptable than lower priced horns. It seems student level horns don't center up with what you are trying to achieve as a musician. One last point; if your horn is hindering your progress it's time to get another one that meets your demands and wallet! Trent your demos are greatly appreciated. Thank you for posting!
Nice, Trent!
Thanks for listening
Great Horns🎺. The real test would be to see how they both sit in cohort with other musical instruments: Trumpet/Sax+bone, Trumpet/Piano-Vibes, etc. I have to go try me a TROMBA. IT SOUNDS AWESOME, and it works well for you 💪🎺
The Tromba is one of the worst instruments I have played.
That tromba looks like a fun little horn
I just got done with an outdoor New Orleans Brass Band gig. Sure, I heard the difference between the two horns, but the large audience I played for tonight likely wouldn't hear much of a difference. So, if you'r playing for something like the outdoor party I played for tonight, the plastic horn would be fine. It would also work fine for most indoor jazz gigs, again depending on how discerning the audience is (usually not very).
Bottom line: there's a difference between the two horns, but not a $7,500 difference.
I've seen so much on the Tromba and other plastic trumpets recently. I find fascinating that they don't sound like plastic (though seen some cheap knock of plastic ones that do). But I'd be concern highly of longevity. Overall tone of the Monette is far better of course. I'm larger fan of the deeper broader tones such as Monette produces. What I found the most interesting is you could easily hear the difference on the upper register notes. Makes me wonder if the Tromba looses the clarity on really low notes such as low G (below the bar G). So doing something such at Arban's Intervals exercises might be interesting. Though not like I'm going end up buying plastic trumpet though lol. Rather pickup a trumpet for same price to restore.
Excellent video. Is that the mouthpeace that makes the diferencie,?. The Sound for the $200 is not that Bad. I know I am Just learning to Play.
Honestly there’s not much of a difference between the two. Essential ones more resonant and has more projection, it’s probably because ones brass and ones plastic. Don’t get me wrong there is a difference but it’s not terribly noticeable to an untrained ear. As of right now I personally believe that an instruments sound comes from the player and not the horn. I also believe that when looking for a professional horn it comes down to how the instrument plays and feels to the player, and not how it sounds, with the exception of Bach’s 😉. On another note this is a Great video and it was a lot of fun to watch.
I agree about it being the player not the horn. I remember Jon Faddis caught a friend looking a little too closely at his Schilke after a rehearsal and told him, "Hey, man. It's just a horn."
They both sound the same amazing
The Tromba is one of the worst instruments I have played.
@@austincustom worse than the pTrumpet?
I own a Tromba. When I first got it my initial thought was that it sounded a lot like a Monette. Not that I own a Monette. However, I have heard Monettes played live. A blindfold test would be very interesting.
I have fun in a community big band and am contiplating getting the Tromba Flugelhorn. I have been impressed with other reviews, but am curious if you have tried one of those?
no and no plans to try one
Probably make any horn sound good!
You need to do the side-by-side with the *same mouthpiece* because the MP makes a huge difference in sound. I bought a 1937 cornet a while back and it came with a mouthpiece that was an 7A instead of the usual 7C, and the difference was amazing. You know how Chet Baker got his distinctive sound? He played a 6A.
It was the same mouthpiece 🤣
Would you do a comparison video with selmer clarinet vs. Venus?
What's a clarinet?
Thank you for the video, it really was a lot of fun. Please don’t toss the Monette.
Too late (I'm kidding!!!!)
Thanks for watching!
There is a difference in sound and intonation, but it's certainly not $8800 worth of difference.
Saying that, a lesser player may have made a bigger difference in sound between them.
It just goes to show that it's not the horn, but the guy behind it, that's important.
Thanks for a fun and interesting comparison Trent.
Oh my ... even before I watch this, my eyes are rolling! I have a Tromba, and can't imagine it would beat any 'real' trumpet much less a mighty Monette! Ready to watch ... ;-P
further proof that TA can make anything 'play'!
The comparison I want is not Tromba against pro-grade trumpet of any kind, but a Mendini.
It just goes to show you, there is profit margin and there is talent.
The Monette's sound was clearer and brighter and I'm guessing the valve action is a lot better because he had some trouble with "Joy Spring" when playing the Tromba but didn't with the Monette.
one should hope that the valves work on a $9000 instrument ;-)
@@austincustom I couldn't tell you, I don't play the trumpet, but for that kind of money it should almost play itself.
A good instrument helps the musician..
a bad instrument kills enthusiasm and mood..the lesson from this video: Trent is indestructible..and of course I vote for Monette
I was surprised how well the Tromba sounded. It did look like you were having more difficulty playing it than the Monette. Sound of the notes were out of tune but for $200 it sound really smooth.
To be honest, I like the Monette better for everything except Charlier 2! The Tromba is actually a lot better than I expected it to be! I would never play one, but am still impressed at the quality the horn plays at for the price!
Actually the tromba is one of the worst things I've ever played.
@@austincustom I could definitely tell you were not a fan! Haha I should have been more clear *it sounded better than I expected, but I can tell that it doesn't play too well! But then again, you can make a CVC pipe sound good lol nice video
What is the second tune you played?
The Monette was brighter and had more resonance in middle to lower range of what you played compared to the Tromba. The Tromba in the high register was damn good but not better than the Monette. I wonder how the Tromba plays after 30 minutes of non-stop playing. I own several trumpets that cannot hold up after 30 minutes of straight playing, but none are very expensive.
The Tromba seems like a good buy for a newbie. ciao.
The area where I was a bit disappointed was in the high register with the tromba.
I shockingly think they sounded simsimilar, now that could be the microphone setup. But all around I enjoyed the video thank you.
Do they make a version of from tromba for flugelhorn?
I think they do
I'm a French amateur trumpeter. This artist could make us like any trumpet, he's really good. However, I prefer the sound of the metal one because I prefer the metal sound. When I compare models in specialized shops I find the price counts. One of my former teachers made sound marveloussly my first 200 € metal trumpet, he was 1st trumpet of the Opera Orchestra of Paris... Excellent video!!
Reading the comments below, I agree that you Trent, can make anything sound good. It is like when I heard Armando Ghitalla, the principle trumpet of the Boston Symphony live in 1973. He could take anything remotely called a trumpet/cornet and make it sound world class. You, Trent are the same. But I can clearly hear significant differences in the sound of the two instruments.
Monette are like Apple of the trompetes! If you are a Pro and rich go get it
I like the Tromba
I bought a Tromba and it sounds great but it does not look as good as yours. My silver Tromba came with a black valve casing and third valve pipe and does not look good. I called TocaViva and have been told that all come with a black valve casing. Where did you get yours?
Great to see! I have long wanted a plastic trumpet so that I could take it hiking and camping. As a kid, I took my trumpet to camp so that I could play Taps and Reveille but I would like something lighter. I would love to be out in the mountains doodling around on a Clifford Brown classic. I test played an Allora plastic trumpet but didn't like the feel of the valves at all. I will have to check this one out.
I first listened to this with my eyes closed. The only difference I could tell that was truly defining was the the response. One instrument responded better than the other. However, while the tonal quality was different one was not 'worse' than the other. When I re-watched it, it was the Monette that was the most responsive.
I am impressed with the cheap plastic thingy.
The Tromba is one of the worst instruments I have played.
@@austincustom LOL, you should have said that in the video. But on a serious note, why the Tromba, and not a Mendini, or even Mendini versus Tromba?
because I don't own a Mendini, would never own one, and that's what I had available at my house.
Which is the second piece?
A plastic trumpet sounds nice but also a bit dark and compact (IMHO )and I don't know the Monette but perhaps it is not built to sound very broad and symphonic but more dark, intimate, almost smokey and so this explains why the two really come closer together than you would expect??
Sono un nuovo iscritto al canale,sei veramente fantastico.Sono italiano, posso sapere quale e' la tromba migliore americana? In Italia comprano tutti la Bach o la Yamaha..
99%of time is the player not the horn. However, the big difference is when you start hitting rhe higher notes and speed of valve movement. Then it makes a big difference. Just like a professional driver using a decent vehicle they will do very well until a certain speed and handling is required of the vehicle. Then a real race car makes all the difference with a real pro driving. If your livelyhood is as a musician then the pro horn is rhe only way to go. Just play and love the music 🤩
I didn't notice a difference until the 3rd excerpt. The Monette sounded much better
I couldn't pick much of a difference, if indeed there was any. I suspect that confirmation bias may have influenced some views - the $8,800 price difference would be a factor.
A blindfold test would have been more decisive.
Could tell the lower notes sounded better on the Monette and sounded smoother between note. So money no object Monette but how easy they are to play would make the difference to me. I spend so many hours playing and listening from our side of the trumpet rather from the front to know what come out of the front.
I must say that The Tromba would be a great cheap backup horn in case of an emergency.
I think the price is about comfort and easier playability for the artist. I'm a multi instrumentalist and the older I got the less I wanted to work that hard to get a good sound [I could make a stick with strings sound good- but a lot of effort]. I got a more sensitive instrument that, of course, cost a lot f money. I was a macho man with more chops than i needed but the older I get the less I want to struggle and save that strength for actually being more musical. I'd just like to say is any great player is going to make anything sound good and you Trent fall into that category. The non seasoned player would sound like $hit on that Tromba
That's remarkable. The beautiful Monette of course it's much better but how much. Your a super player and that makes the Tromba sound great. I play now you'll never have come across this
a Boosey Hawkes Sovereign trumpet (About 40 years old). Have you heard of it?
Pretty much displays the FACT that it is the shape of the vibrating column, not so much what the walls are made of.
It's not even close the Monett sound so much better
Tnx bro
They both have nice sounds, a testament to the the musician. The difference is in the intonation and roundness. The plastic one has a nice sound but lacks body. Also, that particular one goes slightly flat on some notes. It small but noticeable. The Monette has more body in its sound. There’s more mid in the sound, and the slotting is better. However, I agree with earlier commentary. That particular Monette is not worth $9000 for the sound it produces. Not enough sweetness in the tone for me, but then I prefer a Mount Vernon Bach Strad over anything for that reason!!!
whats the name of the seconed piece?
Noam Bargil Charlier Etude 2, Du Style
+Trent. I’m inclined to say there’s no reason a novice should get anything other than a Tromba, until interest and commitment are confirmed. But, is there anything in the playing of them that would suggest it’s better to start with a much better horn?
I would never start anyone on a plastic horn.
Sounded like it was a bit more difficult to center notes in the upper register on the cheap horn.
$8800 worth of difference?
What this shows is that once a design is engineered properly it can be executed in any medium. I fabricated medical prototypes for many years. The cost of getting a design to work in the beginning can be astronomical, but once all the pieces are made to work it did not cost us anything more in production to make the new medical device as it did the old one we replaced.
It's the same with trumpets, violins and every other instrument where there is a wide cost between entry level and pro level. The actual production cost of the pro horn is not much different than the production cost of the entry level horn. Yes, valves may be machined to closer tolerances and some materials may be better, but not thousands better.
Once the design is done the throughput costs are nearly the same. What causes one horn to cost ten times as much as another is how much time they spent in development, which could account for a team of designers and engineers working for years - that cost of development is what is then recaptured by the higher cost of the instrument.
Same goes for engine development in cars. When an American maker introduced their Northstar engine, which was a huge improvement, they charged a premium and only put it in certain vehicles, mostly higher end. When a Japanese maker developed the V-Tec engine they put the new engine design in "every" car they made, from entry level to luxury/sport level. The cost to make the better engine was spread over all models and did not charge a premium. In the US they recaptured the cost with much higher prices on select models. Different attitude.
I would challenge Bach and Monette and others to show the cost of production to be $8,000 more than on a base model. It is the engineering that shows up in the cost of the horn, not the materials or production.
Otherwise, a piece of bent tubing is a piece of bent tubing.
Trent could make a funnel sound great.
The tromba kind of has a dead sound, the monette, has a brighter sound, it's the brass I'm sure, that being said... I'd buy the tromba just to have.
Herman Gatlin Agree the Tromba lacks depth, but I think the Monette is overpriced..
Tromba, a dead sound? Depends what harmonics you consider not-dead, so to speak. The Monette comes across - through my smartphone's playback of the UA-cam post anyway - as favoring the lower harmonics a bit more than the higher. Can't tell much more than that.
... Der oder die Vergleiche hinken. Wie bei einem Autovergleich der Modelle. Mit einem Billigauto komme ich auch von A nach B.
Wie bei Posaunen ist der Unterschied nicht im Ton für Semiprofis unbedingt hörbar. Es hakt an der Handhabung in erster Linie. Der Plastikzug schleift nervig, aber an was hakt es an der Trompete. Der Preis für knapp zweihundert Euro passt, aber dafür gibt es auch schon eine aus Metall. Alles andere ist nur für Musiker hörbar, die ihr Geld damit verdienen müssen und sichere Ton-Wertigkeit schätzen, in extremen Arragements ohne Angstschweiß beim Ansatz...
It sounded like you had to force the tromba to sound as nice as it did, like it was fighting you the whole way. The monette sounded like it was much less of a hindrance. That said, you did a good job making the plastic trumpet sound as good as it did.
In your opinion, would endurance on a gig be a thing with the plastic horn fighting you as much as it obviously did?
I don't recommend the plastic horn for any gig.
Yeah, I get that. Was it fighting you as much as it sounded like it was?
have you actually played one? They are not good.
Listening through a $1000 headphone setup I frankly can't hear any difference in tone. But it looks like you have an easier time playing the brass instrument from the looks of it. (I'm not a trumpet player, just a music lover). :)
I think tromba probably makes a really good p trumpet, I think monette are great horns but I think that plastic trumpets aren’t half bad. The p trumpet won’t project as well as a brass one ever. But it seems like that one does. Might just be the player. I have a p trumpet and from what I can tell it’s the players that make them sound good
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I've never been a fan of Monette horns. They all seem too stuffy for me. And yes, I did go to the shop in Portland and spent a few hours playing every horn in the place. It was years ago before the Prana series came out so things might be different now. But based on my own experiences, I would buy the Tromba and save $8800. I currently play a Marcinkiewicz Mic Gillette Rembrandt, Model SC3X.351.
That horn you currently play is awesome!!! I always loved those it's a shame they stopped making trumpets.
A person of your talent could probably make a trumpet made from paper sound good!
Just don't use toilet paper it's too valuable!!!!