Excellent video again. Lovely engine, was my first given to me as a child... this looks something very special but pricey. If went for it would go for the sound fitted but then a controller that would take advantage of the full range of functions on it. Brilliant again. Look forward to your next video👍
Hi, just come across this video. I have had to send two of these back with the same slow running issues, which I think is to do with the coreless motor. The company who sold them to me checked their stock and they all have the same running issue.
Have you received a working model yet or given up? Hopefully your retailer will sort it out. Derails were really good when I returned mine for a replacement.
Hi, it was Derails that have the issue. They told me yesterday all their stock seems to have the same issue. I have given up, which is a shame, the locomotive is nice.
I was hoping that the ESU autotune feature on CV54 would resolve it, but it made things worse. After hours of playing I think this was mechanical, something physically catching the wheels or the motor. Maybe it had taken a pounding in the post which also dislodged the buffer. The replacement was as smooth as silk straight out of the box 👍
Yes I'm afraid I've been there before... You meet them in person and they have a wonky headlight. But as you say, you can't beat a nice synchronised chuff.... I have subbed to your channel just for that analogy 🤣👍👍
Hi, A honest review and - again - sad to see that Quality Control has vanished to be replaced by greed for fast profit. Unacceptable considering the high prices ! And it's not only Bachmann...
Very good review Rob. There does seem to be a flaw in the design somewhere as you are not the only one to have reported the speed fluctuations it seems to be a standard feature though with your second model you got lucky with a good one. I'm in two minds with this one.
Hi Jasper! Good question and I don't know the answer. The only hook style couplings I've used are the ones that came with Hornby's Rocket and I thought they were a nightmare. I don't actually know if the screwlink couplings in the details pack are functional or just for show if you're going to just display this model. If you're considering using link/hook couplings and really want to know what they're like then I bet if you asked that on a model railway forum or in a facebook group someone would have the answer for you.
You can buy different versions of this model. DCC sound fitted - this is the one in the video. You don't need to buy a chip, it's already in there. DCC Fitted - as above but without sound. DCC ready - it'll run on analogue, but you'll need to buy and install a decoder for it to work on a digital layout.
They say that there is no such thing as a stupid question. So here we go please bare in mind that I am a novice. Does sound fitted mean that it will give me engine running sounds on my Gaugemaster dc analogue layout?
There's definitely no such thing as a stupid question, especially when it comes to digital trains! Sound fitted means that it includes a digital decoder that can play sounds when run on a digital layout. SOME sound decoders will also play sound on a DC/analogue layout, but usually with reduced functionality. For example, Hornby TTS sound decoders won't play sounds on analogue whereas I believe that LokSound decoders will. Extract from the ESU LokSound website below: "LokSound V4.0 decoders can be used on DC as well as on AC layouts. The motor and the synchronisation of all driving-, sound- and light functions will be controlled in analogue mode, too! So, model railroaders without digital systems can enjoy the LokSounds, despite the sounds on function keys." So basically, you'll need to check before buying. I'm pretty sure that this 94xx has a LokSound decoder that will play sound on analogue. Hope that helps 👍
Hi Kevin! Not a super easy question to answer, but I'll try. You have 3 main types of model: 1) Analogue/DC - not set up for digital control 2) DCC ready - these models have a socket in them ready for you to plug a decoder into. There are different types of connectors (4 pin, 6 pin, 8 pin, NEXT18, 21 pin, etc.) so you need to make sure you buy the correct decoder for the socket. 3) DCC fitted - these modesl already have the digital decoder fitted inside them You can convert analogue models into digital, but it will require some soldering and depending on the model it can be quite complicated. You can pay companies to do these conversions for you if you don't want to do it yourself. Some older motors aren't well suited for digital and the general rule is that if it didn't run well on analogue then it'll probably be worse on digital. Not all decoders are the same. Apart from the different types of connections that I've meantioned above, some decoders have extra features (configuration variables/CVs) for better running and more fuctions for controlling things like lighting . You generally pay more for more features and functions, they can range in price from £10 to £100+ and are available from a range of manufacturers. Then you also have special sound decoder which are like the standard decoders above, but can connect to a speaker and play sounds. These are generally more expensive ranging from £30 to £100+. You'll also need a digital controller that will allow you to run and program digital models. Again, there is a wide range available, all with different features. Hope that helps.
A simple answer to this is yes and no. Yes decoders can be fitted to all locomotives but not out of the box, older models will need a varying level of skill to convert. Some are easy some are not, it depends on how the power gets to the motor. Again using any decoder is possible but you need to be careful to pick the right one in reality. Some decoders might not provide enough power for old models for instance. New models generally come with a socket fitted so a decoder with the same fitting is required unless you are prepared to remove said socket. I hope this helps.
A nice looking loco but more than I'd be prepared to pay for an 0-6-0 and the quality issues you found are off-putting. Also not sure why Bachmann fit coreless motors - which as you say can be a problem for many.
Watching it back, that probably wasn't the best clip to choose as it does look like it's struggling a bit, but this model is definitiely 100% better now it's run in.
just got from I say where from but got opened it and no go dead on the track sadly not happy they seamed to cure it with out sending it back but to late its in the post I really think its a faulty loco must go back to Bachmann
Hi Ian, this is a particularly expensive model and I agree that the prices are often prohibitively expensive, but there are cheaper ways to get into the hobby. There's a very strong, often good quality, secondhand market and joining a club is a good option for having access to a layout with minimal expense.
Excellent video again. Lovely engine, was my first given to me as a child... this looks something very special but pricey. If went for it would go for the sound fitted but then a controller that would take advantage of the full range of functions on it. Brilliant again. Look forward to your next video👍
Cheers Marc 👍
Another great video. You Really nailed those analogies.
Cheers Scott 👍
Hi, just come across this video. I have had to send two of these back with the same slow running issues, which I think is to do with the coreless motor. The company who sold them to me checked their stock and they all have the same running issue.
Have you received a working model yet or given up? Hopefully your retailer will sort it out. Derails were really good when I returned mine for a replacement.
Hi, it was Derails that have the issue. They told me yesterday all their stock seems to have the same issue. I have given up, which is a shame, the locomotive is nice.
Firmware update and setting the motor up correctly helps a massive amount
I was hoping that the ESU autotune feature on CV54 would resolve it, but it made things worse. After hours of playing I think this was mechanical, something physically catching the wheels or the motor. Maybe it had taken a pounding in the post which also dislodged the buffer. The replacement was as smooth as silk straight out of the box 👍
Yes I'm afraid I've been there before...
You meet them in person and they have a wonky headlight.
But as you say, you can't beat a nice synchronised chuff....
I have subbed to your channel just for that analogy 🤣👍👍
Haha, I won't lie, I'm pretty please with the analogy. I'm glad someone else appreciated it 😂👍
@@LittleWicketRailway ah it was some fine work man, always appreciate a cheap pun 🤣
Glad to see you returned the faulty loco. The manufacturers won't improve unless more people do this.
I've been pretty fortunate that this is my first ever return. I thought it was going to be a lot of hassle, but Derails made it pretty painless.
Hi, A honest review and - again - sad to see that Quality Control has vanished to be replaced by greed for fast profit. Unacceptable considering the high prices ! And it's not only Bachmann...
Very good review Rob. There does seem to be a flaw in the design somewhere as you are not the only one to have reported the speed fluctuations it seems to be a standard feature though with your second model you got lucky with a good one. I'm in two minds with this one.
I saw a few similar comments on RMWeb. Derails said they were aware of a few issues, but it was only an unlucky few.
Are there tools that help with coupling using the screw link couplings? It looks as though it'd be quite fiddly
Hi Jasper! Good question and I don't know the answer. The only hook style couplings I've used are the ones that came with Hornby's Rocket and I thought they were a nightmare. I don't actually know if the screwlink couplings in the details pack are functional or just for show if you're going to just display this model.
If you're considering using link/hook couplings and really want to know what they're like then I bet if you asked that on a model railway forum or in a facebook group someone would have the answer for you.
Great video
Thanks for watching! 👍
Great review rob, lovely little loco but far to pricey for it's size 🤔
I don't think these sound fitted versions are selling out like the DCC ready ones did, so you might find that the that price starts to drop over time.
@@LittleWicketRailway I think this is really good value if bought for £195 considering the sound ship alone is worth £100 and it comes fully fitted.
Do you need to buy an extra chip for sound on this one?
You can buy different versions of this model.
DCC sound fitted - this is the one in the video. You don't need to buy a chip, it's already in there.
DCC Fitted - as above but without sound.
DCC ready - it'll run on analogue, but you'll need to buy and install a decoder for it to work on a digital layout.
They say that there is no such thing as a stupid question.
So here we go please bare in mind that I am a novice.
Does sound fitted mean that it will give me engine running sounds on my Gaugemaster dc analogue layout?
There's definitely no such thing as a stupid question, especially when it comes to digital trains!
Sound fitted means that it includes a digital decoder that can play sounds when run on a digital layout. SOME sound decoders will also play sound on a DC/analogue layout, but usually with reduced functionality. For example, Hornby TTS sound decoders won't play sounds on analogue whereas I believe that LokSound decoders will. Extract from the ESU LokSound website below:
"LokSound V4.0 decoders can be used on DC as well as on AC layouts. The motor and the synchronisation of all driving-, sound- and light functions will be controlled in analogue mode, too! So, model railroaders without digital systems can enjoy the LokSounds, despite the sounds on function keys."
So basically, you'll need to check before buying. I'm pretty sure that this 94xx has a LokSound decoder that will play sound on analogue. Hope that helps 👍
@@LittleWicketRailway I think that helps Rob 🤔 thank you.
Could we see a review on the old apt set
Afraid I don't have an APT 😔
Ok that’s ok :)
Can you put a decoder in any train also can you use any decoder.thank you.
Hi Kevin! Not a super easy question to answer, but I'll try. You have 3 main types of model:
1) Analogue/DC - not set up for digital control
2) DCC ready - these models have a socket in them ready for you to plug a decoder into. There are different types of connectors (4 pin, 6 pin, 8 pin, NEXT18, 21 pin, etc.) so you need to make sure you buy the correct decoder for the socket.
3) DCC fitted - these modesl already have the digital decoder fitted inside them
You can convert analogue models into digital, but it will require some soldering and depending on the model it can be quite complicated. You can pay companies to do these conversions for you if you don't want to do it yourself. Some older motors aren't well suited for digital and the general rule is that if it didn't run well on analogue then it'll probably be worse on digital.
Not all decoders are the same. Apart from the different types of connections that I've meantioned above, some decoders have extra features (configuration variables/CVs) for better running and more fuctions for controlling things like lighting . You generally pay more for more features and functions, they can range in price from £10 to £100+ and are available from a range of manufacturers.
Then you also have special sound decoder which are like the standard decoders above, but can connect to a speaker and play sounds. These are generally more expensive ranging from £30 to £100+.
You'll also need a digital controller that will allow you to run and program digital models. Again, there is a wide range available, all with different features.
Hope that helps.
The trains I have are all analogue dc o can they be changed thank you .
A simple answer to this is yes and no. Yes decoders can be fitted to all locomotives but not out of the box, older models will need a varying level of skill to convert. Some are easy some are not, it depends on how the power gets to the motor. Again using any decoder is possible but you need to be careful to pick the right one in reality. Some decoders might not provide enough power for old models for instance. New models generally come with a socket fitted so a decoder with the same fitting is required unless you are prepared to remove said socket. I hope this helps.
A nice looking loco but more than I'd be prepared to pay for an 0-6-0 and the quality issues you found are off-putting. Also not sure why Bachmann fit coreless motors - which as you say can be a problem for many.
I think there have been an unlucky few with some issues, but Derails were excellent in getting mine sorted.
At those sort of prices these engines are definitely not an impulse buy.
Agreed. Although some people have had over 5 years to consider it 😂
The second model stuck near the top as well
Watching it back, that probably wasn't the best clip to choose as it does look like it's struggling a bit, but this model is definitiely 100% better now it's run in.
just got from I say where from but got opened it and no go dead on the track sadly not happy they seamed to cure it with out sending it back but to late its in the post I really think its a faulty loco must go back to Bachmann
Can you do jinty
You railway modellers must have deep pockets the cost of these engines is prohibitive to many,best way to bring the prices down is don't buy.
Hi Ian, this is a particularly expensive model and I agree that the prices are often prohibitively expensive, but there are cheaper ways to get into the hobby. There's a very strong, often good quality, secondhand market and joining a club is a good option for having access to a layout with minimal expense.