You summed it up.Dont worry about it. I.d rather take my chances with the food I grow in horse manure before I would buy anything from the supermarket.I do however add it to my compost pile to use next year and besides My worms love it thats good enough for me.Thanks for uploading
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I have 8 horses and have never had a problem using manure. Offered to share some one time, and the person declined because I had used Ivermectin a year ago. My beds rich - still have lots of worms!
8:20 I can’t remember which university did the research but deworming treatment only stays in the horse for 4 days. After that it’s a trace amount and won’t hurt the soil. I have 4 horses that creat a massive amount of manure that I use to feed my 28ft composting worm bin. It doesn’t hurt my worm at all. 👍🏼
I love the way you think. A lot of people worry so much but this stuff. If you have the money and time to pay for top of the line compost or manure go for it. I get my stuff for free and I have fun doing it. I get cow manure from a feed lot. I don’t ask what hay or whatever it is that they feed them. My grass and garden looks amazing (and I live in Texas). If your worried, compost it for a while and mature will sort it out. Have fun is the main thing.
Thanks for the update Ihoping to pick up some horse manure this week and now I know what to ask the owner. I'm still going to use my rabbit manure but they don't make as much as a horse would.
Legendary! More common sense. There’s a lot of people out there that spend too much time worrying and analysing. Good advice, and one of my mantras; “get on with it and deal with it”.
Thanks Greg for the video. We run a small horse stable and I started gardes with haf rotted manure 2 years ago. I put a 40 cm layer on weedy pasture. It's quite easy to control weeds, even bindweed seems to die off after a while. As you say tomatoes are a great first crop. Also Melons did really well and tasted fantastic. You can even walk on the beds so no extra paths or framing are required. I don't use any other mulch than manure, 5 cm per year. In some areas there are loads of worms in the soil, so I'm sure it will improve even more.
I've been using free horse manure for new years, including pepper plants in fresh manure- no problem. I always use weed barrier or lb Panda po e fabric to cover beds. This helps to prevent the maple helicopters from ge5mibating.
I have used horse manure for over 20 yrs. I have a couple horses and it works Great. Yes there may be some weeds. Horses do it grass, hay etc. Don't give the nay sayers a second thought.
We de-worm our horses every time they get new shoes. Every six weeks. We seldom use antibiotics, but it is as you say, as needed. We have competition horses so our hay is sprayed and it works just fine. Ive used it as mulch as long as I can remember. Haven’t used manure because I keep hearing not to, but I’m gonna do one bed the way you have. Love knows I have tons of manure.
I don't mind a few weeds, grass seeds... but with horse manure do beware of Aminopyralid which will gnarl certain crops!! I have some gnarled tomatoes. However I've heard it's fine for grass and I have a lawn which is purely ornamental and I will decant the soil onto the lawn and then when i clip it i will dispose of the clippings.
Unfortunately, I got my horse manure only in February. I put it on my lawn with cardboard underneath. The grass died perfectly so did my neighbours ivy along the property line (not too sorry about that). End of March I started planting seedlings into the manure, onions, cabbages, lattuce, I also seeded carrots and put potatoes in. In May I added tomatoes, cucumbers and pumpkins. The potatoes do great (at least the green), the tomatoes are not great but ok. Everything else basically does not grow at all. Most seedlings have died, meanwhile. The carrots never came up (not a single one). With the cabbages I noticed that they turned color towards violet (it's not red cabbage). They looked sickly. The plants don't look like aminopyralid poisoning, otherwise the tomatoes and potatoes would likely have stopped growing as well. Have you ever experienced anything like that before? I suspect it is ammonia poisoning, maybe killing the roots, since the manure was too fresh. The manure has very little straw or wood chips in it. It's basically just the poop. But it's not only my seedlings dying. I have noticed that very little weed is growing and some of the weeds, even grass, also turn color towards violet. This is another indication that it is not aminopyralid, otherwise the grass would be fine. So your suggestion putting the manure down in the fall is certainly important. I suspect that it does not need to break down so much but rather gas out, which probably also continues in the cold winter months. I'm very interested to see how things grow next year. So far I'm very disappointed with my horse manure experiment. Any new manure I get, will first go onto a compost pile for ageing. Thanks for making interesting videos.
Just saw this video which answered all the questions I asked you a few days ago about horse manure lol. Sorry still trying to get caught up on all ur great videos. Also, recommending to friends and family. Keep them coming!
Can you supplement with all purpose fertilizer and kelp meal for added trace minerals and some dolomite lime to keep the pH in check and for added calcium and magnesium
Luckily for myself I have many animals, I have a pony, a rabbit and we have a pig. I throw all there manure into one pile then in the fall add it to my garden. I don't worry about how much of which one I am using, I have been doing it for year and it all works out too.
And, my experience with using horse manure is just like yours…been using it for many years (over 35). I put it on in the fall too, and for the first year it will be a squash or potato bed. Has always worked out great for me!
I adopted a donkey from someone who died in my neighborhood a couple years back. I started a new garden this fall with just cleaning out her stable and what i already put aside. Put cardboard over it and topped with leafmold and am planning to plant my pumpkins there this summer. Dont see any problem with it indeed
I use horse manure because I have a horse. Its worked great for building my crappy clay soil. One thing I do worry about is herbicide in the hay I'm feeding. Supposedly hay farmers might use a broad leaf herbicide that can last a few years. I don't think I"m going to be finding organic hay down at the local Whole Foods anytime soon so I guess I'm stuck with it. I really haven't had any problems with it but now every time I fail with a veggie I'm wondering if that was the reason.
Some hay farmers do, and some don't. They don't use if they don't need ti because it costs money. It's a risk for sure, but so far it's worked out fine for me.
I agree with everything you say. Nice presentation. But one thing I AM concerned about is selective herbicides because I’ve read and seen videos of how the manure wrecked their crop. Herbicides are nasty and can take few years to break down. I agree with not living in fear but it’s something that we all need to be concerned with so we can spread awareness, beautiful resources like manure must stay clean from those destructive chemicals and people (producers, farmers, animal owners...) need to know about it. I wonder if anyone has anything to add to this topic? 👍
Hi there! I read a great tip for testing each batch of manure you bring home. Grow some green beans in a patch that has been fertilized with the manure. Beans come up fast and are very sensitive to herbicides - if the herbicide is present it will kill them off just after they the plants get a good start.
@@maritimegardening4887 lol. just a few beds I started this late summer using mostly horse manure to get it going. I've had them covered in hay for most of the summer but peeling it back it still looks like horse manure. so I was worried it would burn out my seed garlic if I planted in that this fall. am I correct in assuming I won't have a problem? the manure is probably 3 years old but still recognizable poop and shavings.
How can you tell that its composted? I bought some they said it was 2 yrs old and ready to use but how do I know it dont smell and it does have some clay in it and rocks they say comes from when they turn it with the tractor scoop thing
There are increasing concerns about chemical weedkiller residues (amino pyralids) showing up in horse manure (via the hay) and also in bagged compost. Do you have any concerns about this? Apparently these residues survive the composting process and have a bad effect on anything growing in the contaminated compost. - Chris Johnson, The Lincolnshire Bucketeer.
I've always been lucky and not had that problem. That said, aminopyralid will break down in soil. Any affected bed, I'd give it a season, planting something there that is unaffected, like corn or brassicas. It's awful stuff but the soil organisms will break it down. There's plenty of scientific sources out there to confirm that. www.ncagr.gov/spcap/pesticides/documents/AminopyralidGardenerResponse29Apr09.pdf
Just watch what type of bedding might be mixed in. Straw is fine but wood shavings may cause some nutrient draw down as it takes a long time to decompose. I have a horse and clean his pasture every day...bonus! I don't use any bedding as he is never locked in a stall but wood shavings are very popular here.
@@maritimegardening4887 Sorry to ramble...I am careful to keep wood shavings/chips out of the growing beds because they take a long time to break down. I do use wood chips on some walk ways. Most of the horse bedding used here in the Pacific Northwest (Washington state) are Douglas Fir. The manure may contain a lot of it.
Maritime Gardening...Actually, it’s a weed killer that they spray on the hay fields, then horses eat. It actually makes it through their digestive system and into manure that we spread over our garden. The night shade plant have a curled leaf on top and stunts growth. Nightmare of stuff. Google if you can 😊. Happy Gardening!
I used horse manure once 14 years ago. And i have pig weed and chick weed in my garden now. i've tryed to torch and hoe them but they just come back. I put my chicken on the garden in an tractor but it still comes back.
Tilling will always pull more of those pesky weed seeds to the surface to germinate. I cover my weed polluted manure fed beds with thick compost as mulch or mulch to eliminate the problem. If the beds are really bad I use black plastic for a couple of weeks under the hot sun to kill it off and sort of sterilize the surface of viable weed seed to plant clean. Then DON’T till it up again.
Horses get little or no antibiotics very clean manure check Charles dowding nodig uk English version of routh stout uses every thing in compost it works . Ireland calling
Lol.. working class love and own horses too. It's like a disease. Or in your soul. I love my 2 equine. I work my butt off to keep them in my yard but hey..lots of free excellent soil for my newer hobby: growing my own food.
Walnut leaves can inhibit other plants growth. Not forever and if it’s not the only leaves you use not much. Remember , the earth can heal itself, if you don’t do bad things to it all the time. On the that note, I still have a bind weed infestation from horse manure applied about ten years ago. Anyone have a good way to get rid of it?
Goutweed is very nutritious. It isn't called goutweed for nothing. It can also be made to taste good with the right ingredients. I just harvested a bunch of it from a friend's house - free food with no effort except to harvest and prepare it. I used to get mushroom/horse compost in the Valley, but alas, they closed.
The fear I have about horse manure is if they grazed on pasture that was sprayed with broad leaf herbicides. Tat can remain for a few years in the manure and has been reported to seriously damage an vegetables grown. David The Good will not use it now, after killing his and a friend whom he gave manure to also, unless he really knows what the horses ate.
Use the bioassay method outlined in this article: extension.oregonstate.edu/crop-production/soil/herbicide-carryover-hay-manure-compost-grass-clippings#:~:text=Aminopyralid%2C%20clopyralid%2C%20fluroxypyr%2C%20picloram,known%20as%20pyridine%20carboxylic%20acids.&text=These%20herbicides%20pass%20through%20the,even%20after%20it%20is%20composted.
I always tell my garden friends about your channel. Our family appreciates your shared knowledge. My garden success is do to videos like yours.
You summed it up.Dont worry about it. I.d rather take my chances with the food I grow in horse manure before I would buy anything from the supermarket.I do however add it to my compost pile to use next year and besides My worms love it thats good enough for me.Thanks for uploading
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I have 8 horses and have never had a problem using manure. Offered to share some one time, and the person declined because I had used Ivermectin a year ago. My beds rich - still have lots of worms!
8:20 I can’t remember which university did the research but deworming treatment only stays in the horse for 4 days. After that it’s a trace amount and won’t hurt the soil. I have 4 horses that creat a massive amount of manure that I use to feed my 28ft composting worm bin. It doesn’t hurt my worm at all. 👍🏼
Right on man thanks
I love the way you think. A lot of people worry so much but this stuff. If you have the money and time to pay for top of the line compost or manure go for it. I get my stuff for free and I have fun doing it. I get cow manure from a feed lot. I don’t ask what hay or whatever it is that they feed them. My grass and garden looks amazing (and I live in Texas). If your worried, compost it for a while and mature will sort it out. Have fun is the main thing.
You got it man :)
Thanks for the update Ihoping to pick up some horse manure this week and now I know what to ask the owner. I'm still going to use my rabbit manure but they don't make as much as a horse would.
Started watching your stuff a couple months ago and was impressed with your common sense approach to everything I've watch from you. Thx!
Thanks
Legendary! More common sense. There’s a lot of people out there that spend too much time worrying and analysing. Good advice, and one of my mantras; “get on with it and deal with it”.
Thanks :)
Thanks Greg for the video. We run a small horse stable and I started gardes with haf rotted manure 2 years ago. I put a 40 cm layer on weedy pasture. It's quite easy to control weeds, even bindweed seems to die off after a while. As you say tomatoes are a great first crop. Also Melons did really well and tasted fantastic.
You can even walk on the beds so no extra paths or framing are required. I don't use any other mulch than manure, 5 cm per year. In some areas there are loads of worms in the soil, so I'm sure it will improve even more.
Well I really enjoy your videos your a great gardening buddy
So nice of you
I've been using free horse manure for new years, including pepper plants in fresh manure- no problem. I always use weed barrier or lb Panda po e fabric to cover beds. This helps to prevent the maple helicopters from ge5mibating.
I have used horse manure for over 20 yrs. I have a couple horses and it works Great. Yes there may be some weeds. Horses do it grass, hay etc. Don't give the nay sayers a second thought.
Greg, another great video. I jotted down a couple of things learned, into my gardening journal. Thank you, much appreciated.😉
Another great video, I look forward to new ideas I can use in my garden.
I would love to give away some of my horse manure! I use it in my compost, gardens and pasture and still have more than I can use!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO. HORSE MANURE IS WHAT I USE. ADDING IT AGAIN THIS FALL.
Don't need to add it every year if you are mulching, but certainly can't hurt to add more :)
Horse manure helps heat up the compost heap, and then it mixes in the compost as a green and a brown mix.
We de-worm our horses every time they get new shoes. Every six weeks. We seldom use antibiotics, but it is as you say, as needed. We have competition horses so our hay is sprayed and it works just fine. Ive used it as mulch as long as I can remember. Haven’t used manure because I keep hearing not to, but I’m gonna do one bed the way you have. Love knows I have tons of manure.
I don't mind a few weeds, grass seeds... but with horse manure do beware of Aminopyralid which will gnarl certain crops!! I have some gnarled tomatoes. However I've heard it's fine for grass and I have a lawn which is purely ornamental and I will decant the soil onto the lawn and then when i clip it i will dispose of the clippings.
Great video! Where I am in UK the only manure we can get for free or low cost is horse manure! Love your rational approach.
Unfortunately, I got my horse manure only in February. I put it on my lawn with cardboard underneath. The grass died perfectly so did my neighbours ivy along the property line (not too sorry about that). End of March I started planting seedlings into the manure, onions, cabbages, lattuce, I also seeded carrots and put potatoes in. In May I added tomatoes, cucumbers and pumpkins. The potatoes do great (at least the green), the tomatoes are not great but ok. Everything else basically does not grow at all. Most seedlings have died, meanwhile. The carrots never came up (not a single one). With the cabbages I noticed that they turned color towards violet (it's not red cabbage). They looked sickly. The plants don't look like aminopyralid poisoning, otherwise the tomatoes and potatoes would likely have stopped growing as well. Have you ever experienced anything like that before? I suspect it is ammonia poisoning, maybe killing the roots, since the manure was too fresh. The manure has very little straw or wood chips in it. It's basically just the poop. But it's not only my seedlings dying. I have noticed that very little weed is growing and some of the weeds, even grass, also turn color towards violet. This is another indication that it is not aminopyralid, otherwise the grass would be fine.
So your suggestion putting the manure down in the fall is certainly important. I suspect that it does not need to break down so much but rather gas out, which probably also continues in the cold winter months.
I'm very interested to see how things grow next year. So far I'm very disappointed with my horse manure experiment. Any new manure I get, will first go onto a compost pile for ageing.
Thanks for making interesting videos.
Just saw this video which answered all the questions I asked you a few days ago about horse manure lol. Sorry still trying to get caught up on all ur great videos. Also, recommending to friends and family. Keep them coming!
Thanks man no prob :)
Merry Christmas
Great encouragement Greg! Love horse manure!!
Greg, this is very helpful, thank you. We get a lot of fresh manure from a local stable, but I often have doubts about how we use it.
I have tons of worms in my 6 month old pile of horse manure. It’s really good for growing tomatoes
Can you supplement with all purpose fertilizer and kelp meal for added trace minerals and some dolomite lime to keep the pH in check and for added calcium and magnesium
If you need to - but its probably not necessary
Love the power of horse manure ❤️
Luckily for myself I have many animals, I have a pony, a rabbit and we have a pig. I throw all there manure into one pile then in the fall add it to my garden. I don't worry about how much of which one I am using, I have been doing it for year and it all works out too.
Awesome!
You reminded me of a short story by Mark Twain, The Risk of Laying in Bed.If you’ve not read it, I think you would get a few chuckles from it!
And, my experience with using horse manure is just like yours…been using it for many years (over 35). I put it on in the fall too, and for the first year it will be a squash or potato bed. Has always worked out great for me!
I adopted a donkey from someone who died in my neighborhood a couple years back. I started a new garden this fall with just cleaning out her stable and what i already put aside. Put cardboard over it and topped with leafmold and am planning to plant my pumpkins there this summer. Dont see any problem with it indeed
You got it! Man I wish I had a donkey - that sounds great!
I use horse manure because I have a horse. Its worked great for building my crappy clay soil. One thing I do worry about is herbicide in the hay I'm feeding. Supposedly hay farmers might use a broad leaf herbicide that can last a few years. I don't think I"m going to be finding organic hay down at the local Whole Foods anytime soon so I guess I'm stuck with it. I really haven't had any problems with it but now every time I fail with a veggie I'm wondering if that was the reason.
Some hay farmers do, and some don't. They don't use if they don't need ti because it costs money. It's a risk for sure, but so far it's worked out fine for me.
I agree with everything you say. Nice presentation. But one thing I AM concerned about is selective herbicides because I’ve read and seen videos of how the manure wrecked their crop. Herbicides are nasty and can take few years to break down. I agree with not living in fear but it’s something that we all need to be concerned with so we can spread awareness, beautiful resources like manure must stay clean from those destructive chemicals and people (producers, farmers, animal owners...) need to know about it. I wonder if anyone has anything to add to this topic? 👍
It's not commonly used here so I guess I'm lucky in that regard.
@@maritimegardening4887 That´s good to hear
Hi there! I read a great tip for testing each batch of manure you bring home. Grow some green beans in a patch that has been fertilized with the manure. Beans come up fast and are very sensitive to herbicides - if the herbicide is present it will kill them off just after they the plants get a good start.
very timely. was wondering if I can plant garlic in my horse heavy bed this fall. thanks :)
What is a horse heavy bed?
@@maritimegardening4887 lol. just a few beds I started this late summer using mostly horse manure to get it going. I've had them covered in hay for most of the summer but peeling it back it still looks like horse manure. so I was worried it would burn out my seed garlic if I planted in that this fall. am I correct in assuming I won't have a problem? the manure is probably 3 years old but still recognizable poop and shavings.
@@timothymcevenue Surprised its not yet broken down if its 3 years old. Anyway, will not burn them. Are the "pucks" still recognizable?
i have a pile of 2 year horse manure which has been covered with a tarp. Does it still have any value to use in the garden?
Absolutely!
How can you tell that its composted? I bought some they said it was 2 yrs old and ready to use but how do I know it dont smell and it does have some clay in it and rocks they say comes from when they turn it with the tractor scoop thing
It should have no green in it - and there should be no noticeable "pucks" (turds). It should also smell like earth - rather than like p*ss :)
@@maritimegardening4887 thank you so much. Will it still be a little warm in the middle not hot I really appreciate you answering this question for me
i think the only thing you might have to worry about would be herbicides that the horses eat from some hay or fields
I don't worry about it
Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
There are increasing concerns about chemical weedkiller residues (amino pyralids) showing up in horse manure (via the hay) and also in bagged compost. Do you have any concerns about this? Apparently these residues survive the composting process and have a bad effect on anything growing in the contaminated compost. - Chris Johnson, The Lincolnshire Bucketeer.
I've always been lucky and not had that problem. That said, aminopyralid will break down in soil. Any affected bed, I'd give it a season, planting something there that is unaffected, like corn or brassicas. It's awful stuff but the soil organisms will break it down. There's plenty of scientific sources out there to confirm that.
www.ncagr.gov/spcap/pesticides/documents/AminopyralidGardenerResponse29Apr09.pdf
Just watch what type of bedding might be mixed in. Straw is fine but wood shavings may cause some nutrient draw down as it takes a long time to decompose. I have a horse and clean his pasture every day...bonus! I don't use any bedding as he is never locked in a stall but wood shavings are very popular here.
Not sure what your point is here...
@@maritimegardening4887 Sorry to ramble...I am careful to keep wood shavings/chips out of the growing beds because they take a long time to break down. I do use wood chips on some walk ways. Most of the horse bedding used here in the Pacific Northwest (Washington state) are Douglas Fir. The manure may contain a lot of it.
Wood shavings and poo is excellent stuff … Never tire of hearing that shavings cause nutrient draw from folk who fail to see the actual benefits 😊
Have you ever heard of aminopyralid weedkiller 2,4D? Passes through the horse/animal. Affects night shade plants. You definitely don’t want it.
I guess I've been lucky so far. It's mostly leaves that I get, people aren't spraying anything in trees.
Maritime Gardening...Actually, it’s a weed killer that they spray on the hay fields, then horses eat. It actually makes it through their digestive system and into manure that we spread over our garden. The night shade plant have a curled leaf on top and stunts growth. Nightmare of stuff. Google if you can 😊. Happy Gardening!
I used horse manure once 14 years ago. And i have pig weed and chick weed in my garden now. i've tryed to torch and hoe them but they just come back. I put my chicken on the garden in an tractor but it still comes back.
Try the cover and smother technique with cardboard. Weeds will exhaust their root systems eventually if they can't get any light.
Tilling will always pull more of those pesky weed seeds to the surface to germinate. I cover my weed polluted manure fed beds with thick compost as mulch or mulch to eliminate the problem. If the beds are really bad I use black plastic for a couple of weeks under the hot sun to kill it off and sort of sterilize the surface of viable weed seed to plant clean. Then DON’T till it up again.
Great ! Thanks
You are welcome!
When you see worms in the horse manure piles you know your safe....
Horses get little or no antibiotics very clean manure check Charles dowding nodig uk English version of routh stout uses every thing in compost it works . Ireland calling
His method works - and it is much more work. I maintain this garden all by myself with a full time job and a 2 hour commute to work each day.
Lol.. working class love and own horses too. It's like a disease. Or in your soul. I love my 2 equine. I work my butt off to keep them in my yard but hey..lots of free excellent soil for my newer hobby: growing my own food.
Walnut leaves can inhibit other plants growth. Not forever and if it’s not the only leaves you use not much.
Remember , the earth can heal itself, if you don’t do bad things to it all the time.
On the that note, I still have a bind weed infestation from horse manure applied about ten years ago. Anyone have a good way to get rid of it?
Goutweed is very nutritious. It isn't called goutweed for nothing. It can also be made to taste good with the right ingredients. I just harvested a bunch of it from a friend's house - free food with no effort except to harvest and prepare it. I used to get mushroom/horse compost in the Valley, but alas, they closed.
Sheila, if you don’t know, you are lucky. It is a very invasive, introduced plant, aka weed.
Potatoes are fine in fresh. Manure especially horses manure
The fear I have about horse manure is if they grazed on pasture that was sprayed with broad leaf herbicides. Tat can remain for a few years in the manure and has been reported to seriously damage an vegetables grown. David The Good will not use it now, after killing his and a friend whom he gave manure to also, unless he really knows what the horses ate.
Use the bioassay method outlined in this article: extension.oregonstate.edu/crop-production/soil/herbicide-carryover-hay-manure-compost-grass-clippings#:~:text=Aminopyralid%2C%20clopyralid%2C%20fluroxypyr%2C%20picloram,known%20as%20pyridine%20carboxylic%20acids.&text=These%20herbicides%20pass%20through%20the,even%20after%20it%20is%20composted.
hey guys what would happen if someone used the sea cucumber DNA to fill in the gaps of all of there genomes
What does this have to do with horse manure?
hope you are not sickly.....been watching the channel and you seem sick? maybe I am just listening wrong, I hope?
I have no idea how you would come to that conclusion. I'm fine :)
Why does he sound like hes gonna break down crying??
He doesn't :)