Left vs. Right POWER PEDAL | How to fly each
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- I walk you through the difference between a clockwise rotating helicopter often known as a European Helicopter. I compare that with flying a counter clockwise rotating helicopter like a North American helicopter. The main two examples I use for this illustration are the Robinson Helicopter and the Cabri G2 helicopter. However I also mention the Astar as well as some others.
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i really like this perspective on the whole issue, sometimes having excessive knowledge on certain things isnt actually better
I‘m 44 Years old and just startet with my ppl training😊. Thank you for all your videos. They help me a lot in unterstanding helicopters and how to fly them. Greetings from Switzerland!
I'm 15 years old, I haven't flied any helicopter or taking classes, but I really want to learn it. It seems fun and that's why I'm watching videos like this, preparing for when I actually start flying classes :)
I've never seen a video dedicated to helicopter anti-torque peddles before. Great video!
JUST STARTING FLIGHT SCHOOL FOR HELICOPTER. GOING TO FLY ROBENSIN R44 AND BELL 202 I THINK,, IM SO EXICTED IM 65 I WANT TO START A LITTLE CAREER AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!!!
Based of what I was taught my instructors would emphasize on the type of helicopter I was flying instead of correcting it as the problem occured and this caused so much frustration until I told myself don't stress about what you have to do just adjust control for smooth flight😊 Thank you so much for sharing this❤
Amen brother - I’ve flown left- and right-hand and you just keep it pointing the way you want.
I'm totally new to this but what you shared here is very helpful in understanding. Thanks!
This is very similar to how I was taught to fly airplanes. For instance you hear people in the pattern asking for wind checks. The first time I did it my instructor, an old Alaska bush pilot smacked me and said "it doesn't matter what the winds are, just fly the airplane! It will tell you what to do." Very true, it doesn't matter, just fly the aircraft. Thank you and be safe.
I’ve wanted fly ever since I was a kid and somehow I stumbled upon BC Helicopters and WOW! I just turned 65 and I’m HOOKED! Mischa, his team and students are soooo gracious, understanding and informative I feel like I’m in school learning how to fly a helicopter no matter what type! Mischa you a GIFTED BROTHER👍🏻 Keep up your craft and churning out this GREAT VIDEO’s!!!!
When I was a boy lol I was infatuated with bulldozers and I heard bulldozer drivers make great helicopter pilots! Either way I’m ADDICTED, Mischa y’all are CRACK! figuratively speaking 😁😎
It is going to sound obvious, but I still wanted to drop a comment to support your video! Regardless of the "right" pedal to be applied, "Fly the helicopter" was the best advice an instructor gave me. It's very important to know the theory involved, but in the end of the day you will be always applying commands as required to keep it flying. Fly safe! Good videos man, keep it up! 🇧🇷
Hello
Not a pilot but always with the dream. Your videos have clarified a lot.
Good luck and keep up the good work
We’ve talked recently I told you I didn’t have an Helicopter but lookin forward to. I’m from Québec 😉 but I have flown as a day pilot and I said it is a life time thing. For now I really enjoy your channel it is so instructive I want to thank you very much for all you do of the distance wasn’t what it is I know I’d love to have you as my instructor ( not taking anything from anyone) !
Excellent. Well descripted I learn in the 70.s on Bell 47 The instructor placed the heli in front of a gate post and he told me hands off the collective I will operate it and you control the nose pointing to the gate post I will rise and lower the collective and apply power has require and you also operate the cyclic and pedals . We did this for over 3/4 hour and it finally stuck into my head and from then on it was instinct.
Love your videos! Thank YOU for all of YOUR time to record, edit and post all the content for the benefit of others! Not to mention the equipment it takes to do it! I'm currently learning in an R44. Anti-torque pedals challenging in the beginning. Something to think about: What we learn growing up is opposite how anti-torque pedals function. Bicycle (handlebars) automobile (steering wheel): push on left side... turn right; push on right side... turn left. Anti-torque pedals: push on left side... turn... LEFT?! Whaaaaat?! I also run a zero-turn mower for work: push on left lever... turn right; push on right lever... turn left (same as bicycle and automobile). Fighting against muscle memory of the brain to learn the anti-torque pedals of the helicopter. Getting better each time we fly :)
Thanks again for all that you are doing!
Bob
good advise as a helicopter pilot I have not flown the Cabri clockwise rotating, but I will soon get an intro flight.
Really really good videos for me. Keep going with them please. We learn a lot. Greetings from a spanish State helicópter pilot.
Love this style of teaching, its the best way for everything to become natural and second nature.
Liked and subscribed.. I'm a super low hour student on the R22. I just fly as a hobby. It's pretty expensive for lessons down here in Florida but I still love it and only take a lesson here and there when I can. Your vids are awesome keep it up. And for anybody who's watching and new to flying rotary just remember that 92% of everything you saw on Airwolf was a lie. Hahahahaa
This always tripped me up. I am not sure if I am wired differently but to me it seems natural to push right pedal to turn left very similar to if you sit on a chair and rest your feet on a rotating plate like a record player.. if you want to rotate the plate to the left you push right foot forward. That is what seems natural to me but i had no problems using rudder pedals in the correct way, but still to this day I still feel it most natural to do it the opposite way.
As someone who has not flown a helicopter,i think that it would be an automatic reaction to step on the proper pedal as it will yaw and you will automatically want to stop the yaw.
The video was not a rant at all. It was informative. Thank you for posting it!
Love the content! I'm a PPL down in NY. When all this is over would love to fly up and do some training in a helicopter!
Love your video's. I'm 62 and just learning to fly. I have about 7 hours so far. Your instruction style is great. Video's prep me for my instruction time. Thanks for your efforts.
Like you I honestly would have to think to explain which pedal I use for each system, Like you I found that just flying is really the answer you naturally adjust and I have never had an issue switching between systems at all.
One thing I often mentor pilots coming from the R44 to the AS350 is that its actually possible to make the AS350 in particular (but most systems actually) take off with either pedal depressed in the right wind conditions and weight /power configurations. Park a light machine with a strong crosswind from the power side, then add max weight and park with strong winds from the non powered side and you'll quickly learn that pedal is what the machine says you need not a predetermined given.
Really really enjoy all these videos you put out!! You have inspired me for over a year to become a pilot when I’m older! I’m almost 17 and I can’t wait to be able to start flight training once I’m out of high school! Keep up the great videos!
That is awesome!
The funny thing is on model helicopters, you can “mix” a value from one or more control inputs into others and decay or advances of values on completely adjustable curve. For instance with perfect mixing, heavy advancing of the collective/throttle would require little to no rudder compensation.
I’ve never flown anything but I’ve always wanted too. Your channel is great.
You are absolutely right. Me being a helicopter test pilot - almost every day I experience it. I used to believe that an experienced helicopter pilot will never have problems. Now hearing from you it was a great revelation and relief that even an-initio trainees also find no issues. Please continue to make such wonderful videos.
Hey I've been really enjoying watching your videos, you are a really good instructor as for me to learn I can understand things more the way you explain it, I'm trying to learn as much as I can so once this virus is gone I can go into flight school and get my helicopters licence, just want to thank you for all the videos you've made, cheers
Wolf
yeah this is definitely something thats easy to overthink, ive been doing most of my training in an r22 but when i did sessions in the g2 it was more of a thing to get used to the less sensitive cyclic than thinking about pedals.... i found myself just reacting to what the helicopter was doing and adjusting based on that.
So glad you posted about this and it makes complete sense! In my head I thought it would be much more difficult. All of that has gone away. Thanks!
Love watching your videos, they are always so informative! Thank you for these videos
You are so welcome!
Thanks Mischa. Great video. As you know, I started on Robinson helicopters and then switched to the AS350, and continue to fly any helicopter. At the end, it really doesn't matter...you naturally react to what the helicopter needs.
First order of business, "Fly the Aircraft!" What a concept. ;-)
Thanks Mischa - my instructor (fixed wing) used the same technique to focus on what was wrong and fix it - especially when encountering emergency situations or unusual attitudes and it's stuck with me for the last 13 years!
Flying becomes a natural and almost subliminal process with experience and confidence so trying to single out an aspect can actually, in my opinion, cause the pilot to be distracted from what has become the norm. They will not perform as well because their brain will be unduly focused on that single aspect rather than the norm - we've all seen this haven't we when for example someone misses a check or doesn't call 'Final' on the radio etc... because they have become task saturated by being focused too much on one thing.
Hey Micha, really like your videos.
Its not so simple with Airbus in Europe ...
H145 does not rotate clockwise, same as the whole BK117 family the EC135 and the BO105. In fact all the german developed and manufactured Airbus Helicopter turn counterclockwise.
That's right, it was a NATO requirement.
I love all of your videos, I learn so much from them and have inspired me to pursue flying! Hopefully so one day I could join lifenet to hopefully save lives. Thank you for teaching me through this videos! Praying I can afford getting in the air sooner than later. Damn covid
Student: I keep pushing the wrong pedal. Instructor: Stop doing that. ;-)
Excellent video Mischa. Appreciate your perspective and experience in this topic very much. Thank you.
More videos like this. and the business side of things.
I have 110 hours in the ravenII, this is great information. I still start dancing on the pedals once I get close to touching down and I’m curious to know the “lag” or degree of input you would need in other crafts..
Thank You for this video. You answered all my questions I had on this particular topic.
Glad it was helpful!
Hello from Tampa FL. I've been watching your videos for about 2 months. Really enjoy the content. Cant wait until COVID is gone, I want to go up for my first ride/intro lesson
Awesome, glad to have you. Yes you will love it.
Thank you for this interesting video! I really like your "technical" videos and hope for more.
There are some things i would like to get explained, for instance the different types of rotor heads an how they work, or the inspections you need to do on different helicopters (25 hours, 50 hours)....
Great thanks for the feedback. I'll put those on the list.
Being a student I've only flown the r22 bit switching schools I'll be in the cabri. I've always feared the transition between the r22 and g2 but you make a great point to just make it point where you want it to go. Don't focus on the left or right names of pedals.
J9
nice video! stay healthy flight buddy
Excellent videos. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Great video, you know if you got in a helicopter for the first time and you didnt know what way the main blades rotated, just look at the pedal wear, note that, and you will be good to go.
I/m a fixed wing 300+ hour transition to Hughes 269. It was a little odd at first when i was used to apply right peddle when apply power "take off" fixed wing Cessna 172 but left when picking up "take off" in rotor wing Hughes 269. I will also say it does not take long, like you said, during pick up to change input from right to left peddle to correct for yaw it becomes reflex very fast!
I like the knowledge your passing along ...keep it coming
Thank you
Thanks, will do!
Hi Mischa. Does your school teach an instrument rating course? Not sure if you have a video on it?
Great video! I was wondering about this topic. Thanks
Could you do a comparison between the R44 and the R66
Thank you! I wondered about that a long time
Always great content Misha, thank you
Great video! I have about 5,000 hours in airplanes and have been flying helicopters for the last year - have about 50 in helicopters with the vast majority in the Cabri but a few hours in a few different types - Enstrom, R-44, MD-500... the pedals never concerned me much, not that big of deal to get used to. Having to fly a helicopter with a manual throttle scares the jeepers out of me but switching pedals not so much...
Zero experience, but love helicopters and your channel 👍🏻👍🏻
Something to be aware of in case of an actual engine failure, dumping the correct pedal.
I fly both and don’t really think about it, like you say, point the nose where you want to point it.
Love your videos... BUT... I know I might be picky as hell but the definition of „European helicopters turn clockwise“ and especially showing an H145 at 1:23 is wrong.
Correct would be „french and russian helicopters.“ Just think about it: Westland Lynx, Scout (GB), bo105 ,bk 117, ec135/145 (GER): CCW
Of course someone will ask now: but the astar or ec155 or ec225 turns CW! Yes! But these models base on aerospatiale or sud aviation helicopters which were from France and caught and bought in that huge whole Airbus company. Even the ec120 used some basics of the astar, explaining the CW rotor system.
Other than that you operate a great account and I hope these crazy times don‘t affect you and your company too much. Stay safe, stay healthy. 🤙🏻
Im late to the chopper game. But i would love to hear your input on the Hughes, MD 500 models. Thank you.
When landing, do you need to decrease the helcopter engine power or is a lowering collective enough?
Private down in Seattle, currently working on my commercial. Been planning to go up there one weekend buy a few hours off you guys to get a feel for the Cabri. Looks like you guys have some killer pinnacle landing spots I’d love to check out.
Awesome can't wait.
I like your videos. Just only recently found them. I'm PPL-H in Germany. Started flying H300 back in 2009, and only recently I "upgraded" and got my R44-rating. Both ccw-rotating, though.
Keep them blades turning ;-)
Glad you like them!
Hello, Mischa Gelb and other helicopter pilots. Does a tail rotor auto re-center to it's center position when you release the foot pedal? Or should I ask were they spring loaded so that it will return to center position upon releasing the foot pedal? Does the cyclic spring loaded as well? Does it return to center like those computer joysticks? Thank you in advance.
Hi Mischa I enjoy your UA-cam clips a lot . I alway wanted to be a heli-pilot and know near everything about them but could not afford it. Im a game developer and currently building a heli sim for iPhone can you make any suggestions on which you personally find the best and closest simulator to real flight characteristics so someone like me can train or dream on, especially working from home due to this catastrophic coronavirus,...thanks and all take care...... from DownUnder.
Great stuff thank you👍
When you ride a motorcycle, you must know that there is a movement to take a curve called counter handle bar. This means that when the motorcycle is going beyond 30kph you can not take the curve turning the wheel in the direction of the curve, you are going first to reduce speed ( not lower 30kph) and turn the wheel trough the handle bar in the opposite direction of the curve, this will bow the motorcycle in the direction of the curve. The sustained speed and the inclination of motorcycle will take you in to the curve. However this movement called counter handle bar won't be to notorious, because is a normal reaction to take a curve. But if you go lower than 30kph you have to turn the handle bar in the same direction of the curve if you want it the motorcycle turn in the direction of the curve.
I don't know if I explained correctly my self, but I think I understand the reaction or sensation when you fly a helicopter when the main rotor spin counter clock wise or vice versa. I'm not a pilot yet, but it would be awesome.
Thank you sir
Show does a tandem rotor helicopter rotate the rear section of the helicopter.
Fiewh...you saved my life today, I thought the pedals were for braking......
Silly Man! only the left is the brake, the right is gas...
I pilot a hang glider, so when it comes to rotational inertia, I only need to completely ignore the Coriolis Effect but when I consider powered flight I think of the torque associated with single engine prop aircraft/airplanes and how this torque applies to both helicopter flight and fixed wing propeller driven flight. This raises a question for a non-powered aviator; Is the way the prop rotates of concern to the pilot of a fixed wing (let's think Mustang or Spitfire) aircraft as it is for a helicopter pilot? Ford versus BMW anyone?
You put the H145 picture in the category of clockwise system, however, it is an anti-clockwise system. My guess is that it is due to the design coming down from the BK117, designed by MBB. If you look at all of MBB's aircraft, they all are anti-clockwise.
The 145 is still based on the BO105 which was a NATO Heli, all NATO helps had to be US left spin.
Maybe a next video answer, the question is Why are the main rotors on european helicopters are spinning different than north american ones?
I had no idea that is how it works
video idea ; Im brand new to your channel, let us know your history in helicopters, background and story. thanks!! building an interest in your school and helicopters. Complete beginner, never flown before :)
Just like Tailwheel flying you give it what it needs at the moment, No Absolutes or rules of thumb.
You’re so right don’t think about it just fly the helicopter that’s what I’ve always learned if you don’t think about it then you don’t anticipate anything
You have to become one with the helicopter and don’t think about flying it because if you do you’ve gone too far
I’ve got over 130 hours in the robinsons and I’ve just started transitioning to the Cabri. The thing that I’m finding difficult is how heavy the cyclic an collective are on the Cabri. At the moment I’m also struggling with the pedal inputs. It also important to note that I’ve only got 1 hour on the Cabri and I’m sure that with more time it will become easier.
Cabri is all about compensate the cyclic
So how do you know how much peddle to put in before lift off, so tail doesn't move ? Thanks for your videos.
Interesting, as I have only ever flown the Cabri G2 for 70 hours, it is a bit worrying how I'd handle the type rating to a B206. But like you say I don't think it is a big problem, just look outside and fly the machine.
That fits! K.I.S.S.... 👍
Can you talk about trim? On this video's topic, when are the pedals in trim?
Hey I have a question - does a helicopter turn/yaw one way more easily than the other way because of the bias coming from the rotor torque?
Ive been flying the bell409 in Microsoft flight simulator today and the rotor is spinning CCW so I need left pedal, and with alot of collective I need almost all rudder power just to keep the helicopter straight, while turning right is super easy and fast... Is that realistic?
What about transitioning from airplane to helicopters?
I agree your talking ! ( Way ) in Germany crash a Pilot an million $$$$$$ H - 130 on using the wrong pedal ? Did he was in a extremely fully stress ? Or way we have in Germany 100 % cover on affirmation / assurance ! Do you have a answers ?
Do you have a senior discount? Interested in Texas
Wouldn’t you want to be prepared in manoeuvres with big power changes, i,e lift off, autorotation? In minor power changes, i agree there is no difference.
How many flight hours do you have ? Thank you
Interesting video. I have just one question: why wouldn't there be any standard of the direction in which the rotor would spin? I think that it would make it easier for everyone if all the rotors would spin in the same direction.
Right, and if all the counties got along with everything they did than we would live in a wonderful world. Unfortunately that's not the case and everyone likes to do things differently so we are stuck with things like this.
Might be confusing if you side step out of vortex ring state.
Hi why did you go for Cabri vs R22 for training? This is soubds weird as then you propose a R44 improvement courses that leads to adapt new flight panel... what is better for Cabri?
(Actually I just get PPL on R22 and love this machine... :-) )
At last: do you have any mail adress for further discussion?
Alfi 1ere you can email me at mischa@bchelicopters.com
I have not flown euro helicopters, but I would think your LTE from main rotor disc vortex would be a concern when the wind was quartering from the right in a euro helicopter vs. from the left in a north american helicopter, right?
Correct
Good info. One question, however. The Vuichard method to exit a vortex ring state, requires a lateral exit either to the left or to the right depending on the direction of rotor rotation. Can you address that. Thanks.
That is correct, however it doesn't matter which way you go. The best is to go power pedal and opposite cyclic but either direction will work.
@@PilotYellow Might want to watch the video again. If the blades move one way you go right... move the other direction, you go left. Can't remember which is which.
is it important to keep the MR and TR config in mind when operating limited power and avoidance of LTE?
It's always important to keep in mind how much pedal you have available and what type of helicopter you are flying yes. Specifically if you are in a limited authority tail rotor type helicopter such as a Bell 206 with the original tail rotor. But there are techniques you can use to keep yourself safe.
Put it another way - even in the same types, some have more pedal authority than others - you don't have to think "how much pedal" you just do it until you get what you want - it is just an automatic feedback loop in your brain.
However... I hate that my car and my wife's have the wiper/indicator stalks interchanged on the steering column. No matter which one I drive, you can always tell when I am going to turn because the wipers are going 😞
Also it is interesting how the feedback loop operates when you have run out of authority - like on fixed wing (glider) spin training.
You are flying in a tight slowing turn, maintaining the same bank angle - then suddenly the stick is hard over and it's "oops, here we go!"
That makes more sense lol
My question has nothing to do with this video in particular I noticed on other channels other pilots talking about manifold pressure is this engine torque?
Manifold pressure is on a piston helicopter and torque is typically on a turbine. However the Cabri G2 has a digital gauge for power so they have converted it to percentage of torque for you.
@@PilotYellow thank you for reply GOD bless
Good information but I don't know how I feel about this ambient background music.
Curious, if you look up at a clockwise it will appear counter clockwise
Yep, but the standard way (and thus the convention) we learn as helicopter is: Look from above down to the main rotor. So, the wording is clear.
@@olafmusch thank you, I was just funning, you know what is crazy is that plane engines spin one way
Personally I soar so there is only counter wise for me when I thermal