Personally this has always been one of my favorite Disney films there are so many great things about it but I’ve always been shocked that it came out the year after the black cauldron
@@danielkaplan2290 Get this: The Black Caldron was such a huge failure at the box office that Disney was considering getting rid of their animation department. This is also the reason the Great Mouse Detective had a limited budget of 14 million and it was kinda rushed. So it makes sense that the writers kept the plot simple. Yet it was able to met Disney's expectations, in spite of its limitations. That alone makes it great.
Mid to late 70s: Disney rejects script for Secret of NIMH because it featured a mouse and they just made the Rescuers. 1982: Don Bluth releases Secret of NIMH after leaving Disney, Bluth's next project will be an American Tail in 1986. 1986: Disney changes mind on mouse movies to compete and takes some risks. Ironically this would be the live action remake I would be curious enough to see because of how weird it would be. The villain song was added to get Vincent Price on board, which definitely wasn't a mistake. Price had been typecast in horror for so long he had never gotten a chance to sing in a movie until Disney came calling for this.
*Top 5 Highest-Grossing Films of the Year After 4 Decades* 1. An American Tail ($84.5M on a $9 budget, which would make it, while not remembered by everyone by today’s standards even though the franchise deserves another chance far beyond Tanya Mousekewitz in Fievel Goes West… and Miss Kitty, not the cat, but the mouse from TGMD, being many’s furry crush, the highest-grossing animated film of its time in the mid-late 1980s until The Land Before Time and Who Framed Roger Rabbit the couple years after and then the Disney Renaissance the year-decade after) 2. The Great Mouse Detective ($50M on a $14M budget, and while it was a modest success and 1986’s equivalent to the Barbenheimer of 11/22/1991 when Beauty and the Beast, An American Tail: Fievel Goes West and Rock-A-Doodle to some extent, I think it deserved even better because it’s just so unfathomably awesome I’d consider it to be where the Disney Renaissance TRULY started besides the fact that it did so much better than WDAS’s previous film (The Black Cauldron) which only made half its budget of $44M at the box office and as a result, nearly killed Walt Disney Animation Studios until Michael Eisner, no matter how controversial nowadays, saved the animation studio) 3. Castle in the Sky ($16M on an $8M budget, another classic that deserved better) 4. Doraemon the Movie: Nobita and the Steel Troops ($20.2M dollars on no known budget, making it a success no matter what) 5. Care Bears II: A New Generation ($12M on a n approximate $4M budget)
I've never thought of it before, that must be why I generally find detective stories boring. Their only motivation is.. solve the crime. At least Monk had a dead wife as his "Batman's parents" motivator, but Holmes is just kind of a crummy guy who can solve everything. That's the point of him, you aren't supposed to relate. You're supposed to relate with Watson and just enjoy the ride. But this movie was just amazing, it didn't play out like a dull holmes story, it had all kinds of crazy stuff in it, a cute tiny mouse, freaking vincent price... Also never noticed that The World's Greatest Criminal Mind is their only "We are actually stopping to sing what we feel" stage musical song. Buuuut.... I think you can headcanon it as diegetic. Ratigan has taught them this song and he's forcing them to sing his praises.
The mystery isn't WHERE Ratigan is hiding, but WHY he kidnapped a toymaker which was set up in the prologue; the movie doesn't really hide the fact it's set in victorian London, not to mention it's clearly playing off 'the mice world is just like the human world' joke, and unlike the united states England has been known for its monarchy for centuries. However I agree in that I wouldn't call it a mystery movie as most of the clues are too subtle or brief to be picked up on a first time viewing, instead I'd categorize it as an adventure film because the trio of protagonists are constantly going place to place with escalating events pushing them forward until they succeed in the nick of time.
Fair enough, in that it's curious why he would want a toymaker. But that is answered pretty fast for the audience because Ratigan reveals his plan before The World's Greatest Criminal Mind.
The Great Mouse Detective is one my top favorite Disney movies. I just love the villain of the film and the sexy girl mouse at the pub who needs more fanart and love.
I loved this movie as a kid it was like Disney's version of Sherlock Holmes Fun fact Sherlock Holmes makes a cameo in this movie also I do recommend it to anyone if your interested 👍
I don't think Hercules wants to be a god I think Hercules wants to be the hero the only problem is the Fates say he's a hero already and that causes tension
Fair enough. I do think that the motivation of Hercules is a bit confusing as you mentioned. It's like he's a hero, but not really one, because he hasn't sacrificed himself. I think they were scratching at something but they didn't quite nail it.
Kris has a strong aversion to 80s Disney films. I think I saw this movie a long time ago, but it definitely was forgettable. The music...no. I hate modern music in historically based films... I generally don't get that picky about kids movies...so I would chalk it up as entertaining enough if you're bored...
I hated The Great Mouse Detective from the moment I first saw it as a kid. I thought “no one could possibly like this movie right? What’s there to like?” I was wrong. The movie has a cult following to this day. I’ve never been so dumbfounded by a bad movie’s cult following in all my life
Basil, our supposed hero and protagonist… is an asshole. He doesn’t listen to people, he’s not very nice, he treats his clients like shit, and he only cares about himself
@ All we see from him is bathing in his own ego, treating his clients like crap, says that he has no time for other people’s problems, and nearly gets a small child killed. Please help me out, why are we supposed to like him?
I could listen to these types of analyses for hours!
Thanks! Looking forward to making hours of videos of analysis!
I've watched this movie when I was a kid and I still watch it to this day,hell it was just on the other day
I forgot this even existed, but now I want to watch it again.
Check it out, it's a great watch.
Personally this has always been one of my favorite Disney films there are so many great things about it but I’ve always been shocked that it came out the year after the black cauldron
Right? Although it had a lot of different creators involved.
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It’s been a while since I’ve seen this one. I need to rewatch it.
Yeah, it's often overlooked. Check it out!
@@danielkaplan2290 Get this: The Black Caldron was such a huge failure at the box office that Disney was considering getting rid of their animation department. This is also the reason the Great Mouse Detective had a limited budget of 14 million and it was kinda rushed. So it makes sense that the writers kept the plot simple.
Yet it was able to met Disney's expectations, in spite of its limitations.
That alone makes it great.
Mid to late 70s: Disney rejects script for Secret of NIMH because it featured a mouse and they just made the Rescuers. 1982: Don Bluth releases Secret of NIMH after leaving Disney, Bluth's next project will be an American Tail in 1986. 1986: Disney changes mind on mouse movies to compete and takes some risks. Ironically this would be the live action remake I would be curious enough to see because of how weird it would be.
The villain song was added to get Vincent Price on board, which definitely wasn't a mistake. Price had been typecast in horror for so long he had never gotten a chance to sing in a movie until Disney came calling for this.
*Top 5 Highest-Grossing Films of the Year After 4 Decades*
1. An American Tail ($84.5M on a $9 budget, which would make it, while not remembered by everyone by today’s standards even though the franchise deserves another chance far beyond Tanya Mousekewitz in Fievel Goes West… and Miss Kitty, not the cat, but the mouse from TGMD, being many’s furry crush, the highest-grossing animated film of its time in the mid-late 1980s until The Land Before Time and Who Framed Roger Rabbit the couple years after and then the Disney Renaissance the year-decade after)
2. The Great Mouse Detective ($50M on a $14M budget, and while it was a modest success and 1986’s equivalent to the Barbenheimer of 11/22/1991 when Beauty and the Beast, An American Tail: Fievel Goes West and Rock-A-Doodle to some extent, I think it deserved even better because it’s just so unfathomably awesome I’d consider it to be where the Disney Renaissance TRULY started besides the fact that it did so much better than WDAS’s previous film (The Black Cauldron) which only made half its budget of $44M at the box office and as a result, nearly killed Walt Disney Animation Studios until Michael Eisner, no matter how controversial nowadays, saved the animation studio)
3. Castle in the Sky ($16M on an $8M budget, another classic that deserved better)
4. Doraemon the Movie: Nobita and the Steel Troops ($20.2M dollars on no known budget, making it a success no matter what)
5. Care Bears II: A New Generation ($12M on a n approximate $4M budget)
5:55 Wants to go some place where he feels welcome.
I've never thought of it before, that must be why I generally find detective stories boring. Their only motivation is.. solve the crime. At least Monk had a dead wife as his "Batman's parents" motivator, but Holmes is just kind of a crummy guy who can solve everything. That's the point of him, you aren't supposed to relate. You're supposed to relate with Watson and just enjoy the ride.
But this movie was just amazing, it didn't play out like a dull holmes story, it had all kinds of crazy stuff in it, a cute tiny mouse, freaking vincent price...
Also never noticed that The World's Greatest Criminal Mind is their only "We are actually stopping to sing what we feel" stage musical song. Buuuut.... I think you can headcanon it as diegetic. Ratigan has taught them this song and he's forcing them to sing his praises.
The mystery isn't WHERE Ratigan is hiding, but WHY he kidnapped a toymaker which was set up in the prologue; the movie doesn't really hide the fact it's set in victorian London, not to mention it's clearly playing off 'the mice world is just like the human world' joke, and unlike the united states England has been known for its monarchy for centuries. However I agree in that I wouldn't call it a mystery movie as most of the clues are too subtle or brief to be picked up on a first time viewing, instead I'd categorize it as an adventure film because the trio of protagonists are constantly going place to place with escalating events pushing them forward until they succeed in the nick of time.
Fair enough, in that it's curious why he would want a toymaker. But that is answered pretty fast for the audience because Ratigan reveals his plan before The World's Greatest Criminal Mind.
Heracles wanted to belong.
Fair enough, but it is a bit less well handled than the other examples.
The Great Mouse Detective is one my top favorite Disney movies. I just love the villain of the film and the sexy girl mouse at the pub who needs more fanart and love.
I agree on both!
I loved this movie as a kid it was like Disney's version of Sherlock Holmes
Fun fact Sherlock Holmes makes a cameo in this movie also I do recommend it to anyone if your interested 👍
Yep, I show the cameo at the end of the video!
I don't think Hercules wants to be a god I think Hercules wants to be the hero the only problem is the Fates say he's a hero already and that causes tension
Fair enough. I do think that the motivation of Hercules is a bit confusing as you mentioned. It's like he's a hero, but not really one, because he hasn't sacrificed himself. I think they were scratching at something but they didn't quite nail it.
Kris has a strong aversion to 80s Disney films. I think I saw this movie a long time ago, but it definitely was forgettable. The music...no. I hate modern music in historically based films...
I generally don't get that picky about kids movies...so I would chalk it up as entertaining enough if you're bored...
This is why it's great they didn't go with the Michael Jackson suggestion. The music works well for the time period of the movie.
I hated The Great Mouse Detective from the moment I first saw it as a kid. I thought “no one could possibly like this movie right? What’s there to like?” I was wrong. The movie has a cult following to this day. I’ve never been so dumbfounded by a bad movie’s cult following in all my life
Basil, our supposed hero and protagonist… is an asshole. He doesn’t listen to people, he’s not very nice, he treats his clients like shit, and he only cares about himself
Because Basil is based on Sherlock Holmes, also a genius and antisocial detective...
@ But why are we supposed to like him?
@ All we see from him is bathing in his own ego, treating his clients like crap, says that he has no time for other people’s problems, and nearly gets a small child killed. Please help me out, why are we supposed to like him?
In other words, he's the best screen adaptation of Sherlock Holmes's character ever made so far.
@@moonsigil He’s not likable.