You won the second round because Janeway gave control of the ship to crewmans Dalby, Chell, Henley and Gerron to see if they learned anything from Tuvok. 🙂
I too love the Intrepid class. Voyager is a sleek looking ship but beautiful as well. I loled when you said it had an infinity amount of this, this, this and this. Not far off lmao. That is cool about Voyager's phasers being pretty much Galaxy class phasers but in that ship. I too think a Dominion War Galaxy would be more powerful. The Sabre class...wasn't that made the same time as the Intrepid? Or built a slightly bit later? Because if it was that could be why even facing against 1 Sabre the Intrepid is having a hard time. Going for the Sabre's warp core was a good idea. It is definitely a neat design and I agree it pretty much is a weapons platform. Are you sure your torpedo tubes weren't damaged a little bit? That could be why you were only firing 2 at a time instead of the 4. REQUEST: Maybe put an RBG Intrepid (not sure if you've tweaked one) up against an RBG Dominion War Galaxy and see how that goes.
Indeed! I believe the Sabre was the same generation as the Norway/Steamrunner/Intrepid Etc. These ships had the Borg in mind when they were constructed. I think with the torpedoes, it was just bad timing. So I fired 2, then waited a bit and fired 2. So it always seemed like they were only 2 available, haha! Funnily enough I've already done that battle: ua-cam.com/video/uUcEvlip2Xs/v-deo.html There's also a version from the other side: ua-cam.com/video/eELdYDhhYDY/v-deo.html. It was a while back! 🖖
I always imagined that as designed the Galaxy and Intrepid classes where about equal in firepower, the Galaxy being having a bit better shielding for combat and the Intrepid faster and more manouverable. Makes sense given the Intrepid class is meant as both a long range scout and a medium escort vessel.
The creator of Voyager, Rick Sternbach did actually say that the Intrepid class was designed to have the same phaser capability as a Galaxy class. The size or number of emitter arrays seems irrelevant. The Sovereign, Defiant and Prometheus (which used type 12 and type 10 phasers) had much smaller arrays than the Galaxy class, yet their phasers were more powerful. The Prometheus was able to destroy a Romulan Warbird in mere seconds. We also see very short emitter arrays on the aft of Starfleet ships, which seem just as powerful. It's the power output that can be channelled through phaser banks which counts most, and I suspect that as tech advanced Starfleet could channel as much if not more power through shorter arrays than they ever could through the huge and less efficient arrays of the Galaxy class. The Intrepid, Prometheus, Sovereign and Defiant class ships have more powerful warp cores too, and more efficient power grids than a Galaxy class. You'll notice that the anti-borg fleet of Starfleet ships featured smaller, shorter phaser banks than the Galaxy class, and yet were as capable or more so. If however the Galaxy class was upgraded with type 12 phaser banks, and received a warp core and power grid upgrade, then the Galaxy class would have the most powerful phasers in the fleet.
Information from the Dastrum Institute suggests the Sabre was initially designed to fulfill the role of the Orberth and other unitarian vessels. A new ship is designed with better engines [power output], better shields, and enough offensive and defensive weapons to guarantee a high probability of survival when attacked. Its missions could range from scientific to cargo transport. Unfortunately, it was overpowered and the core took up too much space, and certain key aspects of the ship's projected tasking were sacrificed, limiting its capabilities. This led to less than comfortable living quarters, semi-fixed lower power settings, and the scrapping of key weapons installations, which lowered its phaser output torpedo launchers and available ammunition. With time, some of these problems were somewhat rectified, but the overall plans for this vessel were stymied from its inception. Ultimately, the ship was a glorified armored truck with a suped-up engine, with a few rockets and machine guns mounted on the carriage. A Wolf Pack of Hedekis [3-4 ] could make short work of one Sabre, with one loss or two losses and two heavily damaged Hedekis winning the engagement. The outcome would be better if the Hedekis coordinated their firepower while striking the same 'target' on the Sabre at different angles. Percentage-wise, the Sabres suffered losses during the Dominion War, eclipsing the Marandas.
Love the Saber class. Disappointed they didn't fare better, but in fairness Voyager is a hero ship and there is something about the Saber that telegraphs that they're "cheaply" made. The more angular hull design perhaps allows for quicker construction or something. Still, I would imagine there is a basic version but also they're able to make more souped up versions of the ship that are more powerful.
First volley of torpedos form the Intrepid was just two, so that threw off your timing for the front, and then you only needed two from the aft to destroy the first ship, so that changed up timing there too.
The Intrepid class was designed as a smaller, more efficient Galaxy class ship. Starfleet needed to build more ships, and more quickly, while using as few resources and little manpower as possible to counter the Borg threat. The Intrepid class was partially an answer to this, along with the Sovereign class. With the Intrepid class Starfleet was able to build a far smaller ship, requiring far less resources to build, and requiring only a fraction of manpower to crew, yet the ship would be much faster, have the same phaser capabilities, have better sensors, (Relativity) be able to conduct basic diplomatic functions, conduct exploration, and have some basic transport and cargo capabilities. What else do you need, with the exception of mass evacuations? Due to advances in technology Starfleet was able to implement more automation in the Intrepid class, allowing her to operate with a small crew. Starfleet gave her every latest upgrade to maximise it's performance, including bioneural circuitry, variable geometry nacelles, ground landing capability, tri cobalt devices (which would later be replaced with quantum torpedoes) and multi-spectrum shielding. (The same tactical shielding used by the Sovereign class in Insurrection) If the ship was lost in combat due to a Borg incursion they could be quickly rebuilt and loss of life would be kept to a minimum.
Don't mees with Captain Janeway and her Black Coffee! 🤣Mabe they found room to make a Starbucks while in the Deleta Quadrant! As you mentioned, they were able to rebound quite quickly from just about anything.
I've always thought the Sabre is, at last, a ship to actually replace the Miranda class, because they really needed to be retired. Small, fast, but quite well armed for it's size, so swarm tactics against a larger ship is definitely the right option for them. Voyager is the modern Constellation-type; long range, viciously armed, tough as old boots and perfect for fending for itself for long periods. I think the battle was fair; it came down to who used the ships better, ie RBG vs AI
I dont think anything could replace the Miranda as the swiss army knife of Starfleet, it is still decent in most non combat duties wich are the majority of what starfleet does, supply runs, evacuations, diplomatic transports and so on. The Saber is really focused on combat, has not much to offer in luxury or room for additional passengers or cargo nevermind any scientific facilities that feds love so much. I would think the Miranda & remaining Excelsiors would be relegated to the core of the Federation for all the tasks above and as traing ships for the academy, atleast after the dominion war. The Saber was purpouse built to work in tandem with bigger ships such as the Steamrunner, i think that is one of the reasons we sadly dont see it around later on in Picard, after going from a few capital ship behemoths like the Galaxy during TNG to many smaller, highly mobile, easy to produce (and somewhat expendable) ships during the dominion war that were inspired by the Defiant class and wolfpack-tactics, Starfleet went back to their ship of the line mentality with the Odyssey class. What a pity because the Saber looked like a modular design that could have a place as a fleet escort or light frigate for a century or more due to the ease of changing it systems when a refit is due.
I actually like the Gladius variant of that class escort more than the Saber. Looks a little more rough and tumble than sleek. Too bad no one ever did a high res model of it for BC.
😲I like the Sabre class. the style and looks like made for battle.. and yes I too, one reason why liked Voyager a bit more than TNG.. a bit.. The style of the Intrepid and the moving nacelles makes it wow.. lol 😄''Aunt Kathy'', lol. I still have the image where Q's son, with Seven lol. oh gosh.. Was gonna say, Voyager did have their own Dominion war.. all those enemies in the show gosh.. and alone too. eeh. and Neelix's food. oh my.. lol 🤔Realy. Saffi!!! '' Out the Airlock'' lol .. I had a feeling but still surprised Voyager held against 3 Sabres wow. gosh..well held against a Borg Tactical so.. hmm 🤣oh gosh Love Brex.. lol wow you did it.. amazed.. Love the battle Admiral and humor gosh.. lol!!! 😊🖖
I'm surprised Voyager held up against those 3 Sabres as well. It was a very advanced ship for the time though. YESSS, the moving Nacelles were sooooo cool. It really came across as a very smart ship. Thanks Steve 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming I was amazed that Voyager held out like that and the Sabres were tough wow.. yes the nacelles, that part made the ship even nicer. lol.. 🖖
Technically, the sabres fazer array is as powerful as galaxy classes as well. They both have type ten Phasers, which never made sense to me because of how much smaller the saber class is
The Dominion upgrade to the Galaxy might have outclassed the Voyager's phasers, but how about the Borg upgrade to the Voyager's weapons? Not to mention what they did to the shields, power transfer and such.
That's a good point. The fact that Voyager could go toe to toe with a Borg Tactical cube for even a few minutes, proves that there just have been some pretty hefty upgrades. If only we had access to the upgraded technical specs... 🖖
I think they meant that they are both Type 10 phaser arrays, the strength in the array is based on the length of the emitters more emitters the more power charged. The Intrepid packs type 10 arrays but no where near the amount of emitters. Now for why the Sov hits harder than the Galaxy, Sov has type 12 arrays and less emitters but those type 12 are the same type that starbases have, much more punch. The Galaxies had so much fire power because of the 'halo' of emitters running the whole saucer basically, takes longer to charge but the firepower was worth it like a heavy weight boxer. The Sov was designed with a different approach, that of a quicker charge with more powerful type like a middle weight rapid punchs. To compare the two in IRL its the Yamato class battleship vs an Iowa class, Yamato is bigger and slower with 18inch guns, Iowa is quicker and packs 16 inch guns, both will wreck you just in different ways. The intrepid was designed to be small and fast, and to punch above its weight like the defiant, both have large warp cores for their size *defiant litterly has a galaxy warpcore*. Increased power let them pack higher tier arrays/cannons as well as better shields and engines. Similar to how the Ent-E gave up size aka internal volume compared to the D. The Venture refit is what the D would have been if it was designed without the fear of backlash from the other quadrant powers. Picard season 3 really showed was the galaxy could do when they stopped giving a f about appearances and just let rip.
The number of emitter arrays seems irrelevant. The Sovereign, Defiant and Prometheus (which used type 12 and type 10 phasers) had much smaller arrays than the Galaxy class, yet their phasers were more powerful. We also see very short emitter arrays on the aft of Starfleet ships, which seem just as powerful. It's the power output that can be channelled through phaser banks which counts, and I suspect that as tech advanced Starfleet could channel as much if not more power through shorter arrays than they ever could through the huge and less efficient arrays of the Galaxy class. The Intrepid, Prometheus, Sovereign and Defiant class ships have far more powerful warp cores too, and more efficient power grids than a Galaxy class. You'll notice that the entire anti-borg fleet of Starfleet ships featured much smaller phaser arrays, not longer or larger arrays, and yet these shorter phasers were more potent. So it's easily possible that the Intrepid class phaser output could match a Galaxy class, despite having smaller arrays.
I always hated the look of the Intrepid class and really disliked Voyager as a show. Those 3 sabre class ships were being under commanded in the first round to the point that I'm not even sure they were firing all of their armaments during the first battle.
Is it by chance possible to fly so close to other ships to essentially bypass their shields? I think they did something like that in ST:Insurrection between the Enterprise and a Sonar ship.
Indeed! It can be done. I did a UA-cam short where I flew inside a Romulan D'deredix class warbirds shield grid and blew it up from the inside! It's also the easiest way to defeat Deep Space Nine in Bridge Commander. As long as you can avoid the tractor beams 🖖
The way I think about it is that yes the Intrepid has a miniaturized type 10 phaser array, but because the Galaxy is drastically larger she still has way more emitters and hence packs a bigger punch.
The number of emitter arrays seems irrelevant. The Sovereign, Defiant and Prometheus had much smaller arrays than the Galaxy class, yet their phasers were more powerful. We also see very short emitter arrays on the aft of Starfleet ships, which seem just as powerful. It's the power output that can be channelled through phaser banks which counts, and the Intrepid, Prometheus and Defiant class ships have far more powerful warp cores, and more efficient power grids than a Galaxy class. You'll notice that the entire anti-borg fleet of Starfleet ships featured much smaller phaser arrays, not longer or larger arrays, and yet these shorter phasers were more potent.
That is a very good question. To begin with, I'm not sure if the Galaxy Class would have survived the journey. If it did however, how much damage would it have sustained? In terms of survivability though, the Galaxy Class has a much larger crew and much greater resources. I'm pretty certain I read it can be self sufficient for up to 7 years. When Voyager was boarded they always had trouble due to the low number of crew/security. I don't think that would be an issue with a Galaxy Class. However I think Voyagers shields were more advanced than the Galaxy Class's. Not as powerful, but capable of dealing with different types of situations. Voyager has a higher warp speed. What do you think?
@@RetroBadgerGaming normally a large ship like the Enterprise D with 1000 plus people including family’s could seem to be a liability to support the vessel and everyone on it but if it has 7 years endurance then it seems not to be an issue guess it is a ‘Galaxy’ class after all 😉. On the other hand a large powerful vessel would attract a lot of attention and reaction moving through territories and wouldn’t have the same ‘stealth’ factor of a small ship. The design of Voyager being an Intrepid class seemed to be ideal. Long range missions etc. Plus its way better for the story imo!
You won the second round because Janeway gave control of the ship to crewmans Dalby, Chell, Henley and Gerron to see if they learned anything from Tuvok. 🙂
And without her coffee, Aunt Kathy became Crazy Janeway
wow that was some great sabre fighting!
I too love the Intrepid class. Voyager is a sleek looking ship but beautiful as well. I loled when you said it had an infinity amount of this, this, this and this. Not far off lmao.
That is cool about Voyager's phasers being pretty much Galaxy class phasers but in that ship. I too think a Dominion War Galaxy would be more powerful.
The Sabre class...wasn't that made the same time as the Intrepid? Or built a slightly bit later? Because if it was that could be why even facing against 1 Sabre the Intrepid is having a hard time. Going for the Sabre's warp core was a good idea. It is definitely a neat design and I agree it pretty much is a weapons platform.
Are you sure your torpedo tubes weren't damaged a little bit? That could be why you were only firing 2 at a time instead of the 4.
REQUEST: Maybe put an RBG Intrepid (not sure if you've tweaked one) up against an RBG Dominion War Galaxy and see how that goes.
Now, that sounds interesting
Indeed! I believe the Sabre was the same generation as the Norway/Steamrunner/Intrepid Etc. These ships had the Borg in mind when they were constructed. I think with the torpedoes, it was just bad timing. So I fired 2, then waited a bit and fired 2. So it always seemed like they were only 2 available, haha! Funnily enough I've already done that battle: ua-cam.com/video/uUcEvlip2Xs/v-deo.html
There's also a version from the other side: ua-cam.com/video/eELdYDhhYDY/v-deo.html. It was a while back! 🖖
I always imagined that as designed the Galaxy and Intrepid classes where about equal in firepower, the Galaxy being having a bit better shielding for combat and the Intrepid faster and more manouverable. Makes sense given the Intrepid class is meant as both a long range scout and a medium escort vessel.
The creator of Voyager, Rick Sternbach did actually say that the Intrepid class was designed to have the same phaser capability as a Galaxy class. The size or number of emitter arrays seems irrelevant. The Sovereign, Defiant and Prometheus (which used type 12 and type 10 phasers) had much smaller arrays than the Galaxy class, yet their phasers were more powerful. The Prometheus was able to destroy a Romulan Warbird in mere seconds. We also see very short emitter arrays on the aft of Starfleet ships, which seem just as powerful. It's the power output that can be channelled through phaser banks which counts most, and I suspect that as tech advanced Starfleet could channel as much if not more power through shorter arrays than they ever could through the huge and less efficient arrays of the Galaxy class. The Intrepid, Prometheus, Sovereign and Defiant class ships have more powerful warp cores too, and more efficient power grids than a Galaxy class. You'll notice that the anti-borg fleet of Starfleet ships featured smaller, shorter phaser banks than the Galaxy class, and yet were as capable or more so.
If however the Galaxy class was upgraded with type 12 phaser banks, and received a warp core and power grid upgrade, then the Galaxy class would have the most powerful phasers in the fleet.
In the second battle, Ai Janeway said “Helm, fire phasers and make sure our weakest shields face them until hull integrity is at 50%” 😂
Pretty nice how much respect the sabers get in bridge commander. In Armada they were just paper ships
how about we get the sabre vs centaur class? different ages of ships but same role, light cruise/scouts.
Thanks for the Sabre love! That was great.
Your welcome my friend 🖖
Information from the Dastrum Institute suggests the Sabre was initially designed to fulfill the role of the Orberth and other unitarian vessels. A new ship is designed with better engines [power output], better shields, and enough offensive and defensive weapons to guarantee a high probability of survival when attacked. Its missions could range from scientific to cargo transport.
Unfortunately, it was overpowered and the core took up too much space, and certain key aspects of the ship's projected tasking were sacrificed, limiting its capabilities. This led to less than comfortable living quarters, semi-fixed lower power settings, and the scrapping of key weapons installations, which lowered its phaser output torpedo launchers and available ammunition. With time, some of these problems were somewhat rectified, but the overall plans for this vessel were stymied from its inception.
Ultimately, the ship was a glorified armored truck with a suped-up engine, with a few rockets and machine guns mounted on the carriage. A Wolf Pack of Hedekis [3-4 ] could make short work of one Sabre, with one loss or two losses and two heavily damaged Hedekis winning the engagement. The outcome would be better if the Hedekis coordinated their firepower while striking the same 'target' on the Sabre at different angles. Percentage-wise, the Sabres suffered losses during the Dominion War, eclipsing the Marandas.
Love the Saber class. Disappointed they didn't fare better, but in fairness Voyager is a hero ship and there is something about the Saber that telegraphs that they're "cheaply" made. The more angular hull design perhaps allows for quicker construction or something. Still, I would imagine there is a basic version but also they're able to make more souped up versions of the ship that are more powerful.
i coulda sworn the sabre had quantum torpedoes and pulse phaser cannons
First volley of torpedos form the Intrepid was just two, so that threw off your timing for the front, and then you only needed two from the aft to destroy the first ship, so that changed up timing there too.
Thanks 🖖
Somewhere it says the Sabre is built for close quarters combat against the borg while others have distance combat in mind
3:54 there was a celebration in the mess hall that the crew didn't die. Then they ate Neelix's food and died anyway. 🙀
😳😨🤯Sacré Bleu.. lol. gosh!
HAHAHA! 🖖
The Intrepid class was designed as a smaller, more efficient Galaxy class ship. Starfleet needed to build more ships, and more quickly, while using as few resources and little manpower as possible to counter the Borg threat. The Intrepid class was partially an answer to this, along with the Sovereign class. With the Intrepid class Starfleet was able to build a far smaller ship, requiring far less resources to build, and requiring only a fraction of manpower to crew, yet the ship would be much faster, have the same phaser capabilities, have better sensors, (Relativity) be able to conduct basic diplomatic functions, conduct exploration, and have some basic transport and cargo capabilities. What else do you need, with the exception of mass evacuations? Due to advances in technology Starfleet was able to implement more automation in the Intrepid class, allowing her to operate with a small crew. Starfleet gave her every latest upgrade to maximise it's performance, including bioneural circuitry, variable geometry nacelles, ground landing capability, tri cobalt devices (which would later be replaced with quantum torpedoes) and multi-spectrum shielding. (The same tactical shielding used by the Sovereign class in Insurrection) If the ship was lost in combat due to a Borg incursion they could be quickly rebuilt and loss of life would be kept to a minimum.
Don't mees with Captain Janeway and her Black Coffee! 🤣Mabe they found room to make a Starbucks while in the Deleta Quadrant! As you mentioned, they were able to rebound quite quickly from just about anything.
Sabres were Starfleets equivalent to the Dominion's bug ships.
Ty for the video and LLAP!
Thanks for watching 🖖
Interesting when the human factor took over the sabres
I've always thought the Sabre is, at last, a ship to actually replace the Miranda class, because they really needed to be retired. Small, fast, but quite well armed for it's size, so swarm tactics against a larger ship is definitely the right option for them.
Voyager is the modern Constellation-type; long range, viciously armed, tough as old boots and perfect for fending for itself for long periods.
I think the battle was fair; it came down to who used the ships better, ie RBG vs AI
I dont think anything could replace the Miranda as the swiss army knife of Starfleet, it is still decent in most non combat duties wich are the majority of what starfleet does, supply runs, evacuations, diplomatic transports and so on. The Saber is really focused on combat, has not much to offer in luxury or room for additional passengers or cargo nevermind any scientific facilities that feds love so much. I would think the Miranda & remaining Excelsiors would be relegated to the core of the Federation for all the tasks above and as traing ships for the academy, atleast after the dominion war. The Saber was purpouse built to work in tandem with bigger ships such as the Steamrunner, i think that is one of the reasons we sadly dont see it around later on in Picard, after going from a few capital ship behemoths like the Galaxy during TNG to many smaller, highly mobile, easy to produce (and somewhat expendable) ships during the dominion war that were inspired by the Defiant class and wolfpack-tactics, Starfleet went back to their ship of the line mentality with the Odyssey class. What a pity because the Saber looked like a modular design that could have a place as a fleet escort or light frigate for a century or more due to the ease of changing it systems when a refit is due.
I actually like the Gladius variant of that class escort more than the Saber. Looks a little more rough and tumble than sleek. Too bad no one ever did a high res model of it for BC.
I love that Neelix's food is included in the weapons inventory. As it should be.
😲I like the Sabre class. the style and looks like made for battle.. and yes I too, one reason why liked Voyager a bit more than TNG.. a bit.. The style of the Intrepid and the moving nacelles makes it wow.. lol 😄''Aunt Kathy'', lol. I still have the image where Q's son, with Seven lol. oh gosh.. Was gonna say, Voyager did have their own Dominion war.. all those enemies in the show gosh.. and alone too. eeh. and Neelix's food. oh my.. lol 🤔Realy. Saffi!!! '' Out the Airlock'' lol .. I had a feeling but still surprised Voyager held against 3 Sabres wow. gosh..well held against a Borg Tactical so.. hmm 🤣oh gosh Love Brex.. lol wow you did it.. amazed.. Love the battle Admiral and humor gosh.. lol!!! 😊🖖
I'm surprised Voyager held up against those 3 Sabres as well. It was a very advanced ship for the time though. YESSS, the moving Nacelles were sooooo cool. It really came across as a very smart ship. Thanks Steve 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming I was amazed that Voyager held out like that and the Sabres were tough wow.. yes the nacelles, that part made the ship even nicer. lol.. 🖖
Technically, the sabres fazer array is as powerful as galaxy classes as well. They both have type ten Phasers, which never made sense to me because of how much smaller the saber class is
I never knew this, thanks for the info. Yes, unless they made some serious advancements in phaser power generation, it doesn't make much sense 🖖
0:43 Don't forget the holographic projectors that the USS Voyager ditched.
Probably worked well against Kazons as their technology was limited . They be like light can be a ship?
I'd like to see the same but with Akira Class ships.
The Dominion upgrade to the Galaxy might have outclassed the Voyager's phasers, but how about the Borg upgrade to the Voyager's weapons? Not to mention what they did to the shields, power transfer and such.
That's a good point. The fact that Voyager could go toe to toe with a Borg Tactical cube for even a few minutes, proves that there just have been some pretty hefty upgrades. If only we had access to the upgraded technical specs... 🖖
I think they meant that they are both Type 10 phaser arrays, the strength in the array is based on the length of the emitters more emitters the more power charged. The Intrepid packs type 10 arrays but no where near the amount of emitters. Now for why the Sov hits harder than the Galaxy, Sov has type 12 arrays and less emitters but those type 12 are the same type that starbases have, much more punch. The Galaxies had so much fire power because of the 'halo' of emitters running the whole saucer basically, takes longer to charge but the firepower was worth it like a heavy weight boxer. The Sov was designed with a different approach, that of a quicker charge with more powerful type like a middle weight rapid punchs. To compare the two in IRL its the Yamato class battleship vs an Iowa class, Yamato is bigger and slower with 18inch guns, Iowa is quicker and packs 16 inch guns, both will wreck you just in different ways. The intrepid was designed to be small and fast, and to punch above its weight like the defiant, both have large warp cores for their size *defiant litterly has a galaxy warpcore*. Increased power let them pack higher tier arrays/cannons as well as better shields and engines. Similar to how the Ent-E gave up size aka internal volume compared to the D. The Venture refit is what the D would have been if it was designed without the fear of backlash from the other quadrant powers. Picard season 3 really showed was the galaxy could do when they stopped giving a f about appearances and just let rip.
The number of emitter arrays seems irrelevant. The Sovereign, Defiant and Prometheus (which used type 12 and type 10 phasers) had much smaller arrays than the Galaxy class, yet their phasers were more powerful. We also see very short emitter arrays on the aft of Starfleet ships, which seem just as powerful. It's the power output that can be channelled through phaser banks which counts, and I suspect that as tech advanced Starfleet could channel as much if not more power through shorter arrays than they ever could through the huge and less efficient arrays of the Galaxy class. The Intrepid, Prometheus, Sovereign and Defiant class ships have far more powerful warp cores too, and more efficient power grids than a Galaxy class. You'll notice that the entire anti-borg fleet of Starfleet ships featured much smaller phaser arrays, not longer or larger arrays, and yet these shorter phasers were more potent. So it's easily possible that the Intrepid class phaser output could match a Galaxy class, despite having smaller arrays.
If that happened in the TV series Janeway would have won both rounds.
Bingo
Intrepid is definitely the mini-galaxy, story wise and tech wise. But can it beat anti-borg fleet? Definitely should put voyager against the D
Added to the list 🖖
I always hated the look of the Intrepid class and really disliked Voyager as a show. Those 3 sabre class ships were being under commanded in the first round to the point that I'm not even sure they were firing all of their armaments during the first battle.
How many Klingon D-7s does it take to defeat a single TOS Connie? I know it's not one.
Is it by chance possible to fly so close to other ships to essentially bypass their shields?
I think they did something like that in ST:Insurrection between the Enterprise and a Sonar ship.
Indeed! It can be done. I did a UA-cam short where I flew inside a Romulan D'deredix class warbirds shield grid and blew it up from the inside! It's also the easiest way to defeat Deep Space Nine in Bridge Commander. As long as you can avoid the tractor beams 🖖
Tough ship
Target the plot armor
2 torpedo forward were damaged and aft?
You would need 6.
The way I think about it is that yes the Intrepid has a miniaturized type 10 phaser array, but because the Galaxy is drastically larger she still has way more emitters and hence packs a bigger punch.
The number of emitter arrays seems irrelevant. The Sovereign, Defiant and Prometheus had much smaller arrays than the Galaxy class, yet their phasers were more powerful. We also see very short emitter arrays on the aft of Starfleet ships, which seem just as powerful. It's the power output that can be channelled through phaser banks which counts, and the Intrepid, Prometheus and Defiant class ships have far more powerful warp cores, and more efficient power grids than a Galaxy class. You'll notice that the entire anti-borg fleet of Starfleet ships featured much smaller phaser arrays, not longer or larger arrays, and yet these shorter phasers were more potent.
Interesting question would the intrepid be a better choice than the galaxy to be stranded in the delta quadrant
That is a very good question. To begin with, I'm not sure if the Galaxy Class would have survived the journey. If it did however, how much damage would it have sustained? In terms of survivability though, the Galaxy Class has a much larger crew and much greater resources. I'm pretty certain I read it can be self sufficient for up to 7 years. When Voyager was boarded they always had trouble due to the low number of crew/security. I don't think that would be an issue with a Galaxy Class. However I think Voyagers shields were more advanced than the Galaxy Class's. Not as powerful, but capable of dealing with different types of situations. Voyager has a higher warp speed. What do you think?
@@RetroBadgerGaming normally a large ship like the Enterprise D with 1000 plus people including family’s could seem to be a liability to support the vessel and everyone on it but if it has 7 years endurance then it seems not to be an issue guess it is a ‘Galaxy’ class after all 😉. On the other hand a large powerful vessel would attract a lot of attention and reaction moving through territories and wouldn’t have the same ‘stealth’ factor of a small ship. The design of Voyager being an Intrepid class seemed to be ideal. Long range missions etc. Plus its way better for the story imo!
I don't love the intrepid, it looks like a spoon. Galaxy looks so much better, even alien. Yet it's still human