Ilghazi & the Rise of the Artuqids (1091-1122) // Seljuk Turks Documentary
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If you would do video about Georgian golden age that would be great after david his granddaughter expanded kingdom and even created empire of trebizond for her relatives great comnenos she also ordered her generals to raid persia and they raided so far that know cristian armies been before and after, until 20th century
It would be interesting also if you cover video about ak koinlu, kara koinly and amir timur
@@davexorus9836 I'll definitely be covering Tamar. It'll be a while before we get there yet. I'm hoping to cover the entire crusading period up until the arrival of the Mongols. (Then potentially carry on from there)
Can you cover Shah Ismail aka Shah Hatai and the Sefavid Empire ?
I guess this would be backtracking a bit... or maybe just peripheral to the Crusades... And after??, not sure. But maybe at some point in the future you could try to cobble something together about the relationship between Byzantium and Khazaria. Although, if I recall correctly... after adopting Islam for a single year and then converting to Judaism... the Khazars had some contact with the then center of Judaism, Moslem Spain.
This, however, was hindered by Byzantium, I believe, fearing a rival being empowered by foreign allies. Also, in this general vein, maybe tracing the significance of Thessaloniki... to the Jewish community. There is so much antisemitism and imagined antisemitism surrounding these histories, but they are fascinating. I know it is a bit more detailed and perhaps small scale in it's scope, but the history of the Jews in Europe and the narrow bandwidth through which they were able to seek power as individuals and as communities, and the sometimes truly bizarre characters, such as Joseph Nasi and Mayer Rothchild... well, it is fascinating.
I know it is PC sensitive material... and requires a bit of illumination of societal context... such as the strict and static nature of opportunity and occupation within these communities before during and after the middle-ages... Reading about the Krupps, the manner in which those in their community enjoyed a somewhat privileged position among the peasantry depending upon their position in a hierarchy of those favored by descent from illegitimate offspring from one of the local Princes... for example. How guilds operated even to the point of manning city defenses, favoring legacies for admittance beyond mere protection of their trade occupation from would-be rivals.
I know the threads become a kind of jumble of spaghetti noodles... and I only ask because of the clear and easily digestible way in which you lay-out these perhaps slightly broader strokes of history. And because, this aspect of European history is important to define well when rightist movements are on the rise; a dangerous polarization is too easily fostered as there is no lack of detestable conduct (especially when removed from context) to find on any side of a given conflict.
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Greetings from Georgia. Great videos!
I love how you tell this from so many different perspectives. One video from the byzantine perspective, then the crusader pov, then from the perspective of local arab leaders, then the seljuk pov, then the georgian pov... you do the same thing with the english/viking history videos and it really gives a deeper level of understanding than other history videos imo. You probably go into too much depth to be as popular as some other channels on here which really only give brief summaries on various topics, but that's what makes your videos so enjoyable for people with a genuine passion for history. Please keep doing what you're doing and never dumb down your content
Thanks man really appreciate that!!. Rest assured I won't ever dumb down the content
Also a movie about this period would be freaking awesome, all the intrigue and fighting, the different cultures, languages and religions. I'd imagine perhaps making the hero a Mamluk mercenary who would just wander around the region seeking glory.
@R K He also fought with Qutuz who is also a Turkic origin Mamluke. But he lost twice then they united against the Mongols.
You and your Reddit outlook on his history, woe to those who cannot love history as it’s told
Didgori Battle🇬🇪😃
Sokman Doger defeated crusrdares in six battles 😅
So basically a Middle Eastern Sengoku Era... So many names and informations to retain
Thanks Teacher....9:40 is an image of A South Asian, guy on boat, but the teacher is talking about Baghdad :) ....Is the Norman Saga Bayeux Tapestry, shown appropriate in this case?
And people are still fighting over that wasteland to this day. I would never want to live or be a ruler of such a place. I hate the climate and would prefer somewhere more hospitable. Better to conquer greener pastures than that accursed place.
I dunno man. I'd love to visit Syria and Iraq. More recorded history than anywhere else on Earth.
What's the word for the areas in the middle east, is it Baleks? Baleques? Bailiffs? Maliks?
At 26:35 you said "independent ___, all populated by steppe nomads"
okay, it's beyliks. I found it after reading into another source.
Beylik is turkic feudal kingdom/principality ruled by a Bey(lord for turkic)
You keep saying “Sunny” when you intended to say “Sunni”. It’s pronounced soonee, not sunnee.
shia egypt, and sunni persia. So weird how they flipped...
@Fwrus Uses the persians then converted to shiism in the hand of turkic-azeris safavid dynasty
Wait til it flips again! The Islamic world is transforming beyond our imagination!
@@thearchitect27 what do you mean by that?
nothing weird, it is about power. choosing a other religion gives you excuse to fight them lol the safavids might be called sunnis at first, but changed sides for more power lol
mohammad ( your prophet) did the same...game lol
@R K Bukhari from Bukhara-Samarkand Uzbekistan !
can we just appreciate how badass David the IV was not only lead charge personally, outmaneuver, outsmart and destroy couple hundred thousand coalition but single handedly end pressure on crusader states and put final nail in seljuk coffin
Seljuks didn't end because of didgori. They ended because of their battle with kara-khitai in 1141.
Also, the ones who participated in this battle was not the great seljuks, but iranian seljuks. They were family members of seljuks, serving as vassals. Great seljuks ended in 1154 while iranian seljuks persisted up to 1190's
Will we learn more about Zengi ?
This isn't over yet, I suspect 🤔
It's never over :)
Not yet my friend, just wait for it :-)
It's incredible how you're able to make detailed, high-quality documentaries in such a short amount of time.
Thanks man, appreciate that. It takes bloody ages... 😀
@@HistoryTime I feel you! Have you gone full time?
well he guesses the half of it... many things are just wrong. he makes stuff up. and also doesnt talk about the whole thing. for instance mongols are not even mentioned once...
Your quality and content have gone through the roof since your early days. My only problem is that I don't have enough time to study all your videos.
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Thanks man great to know you've been here since the early days! Appreciate it
Greetings from Round Rock!
The amount of content being pump out by this channel is amazing. Great work as always.
Thanks man, appreciate it!
@@HistoryTime dude i'm a historian and i'm fucking impressed. Who tf are you lol. Thanks your videos make me think . i just discovered you today....one hour ago
There are certain factual fallacies when it comes to battle of Didgori.
It wasn't the Kipchaks who entered Seljuk camp, It was the Monaspa, 200 chosen warriors of the King's personal guard. One of them first born son of his most trusted General. They all died.
Great video, not many people know about the country Georgia, most people think its just a state in the USA.
Thankyou man, appreciate it. It is indeed a shame. One of the oldest nations on earth.
"most people"?
I seriously doubt that.
You do realize that there's a whole world out here, right?
@@mikaelafpetersens Not to the average American who cant even point to China or Europe on a map.
@@WiseSilverWolf Well, ok. Maybe Americans, but i really hope that that's not true.
David ma man ^_^
Fantastic video. Ilghazi is rarely mentioned in Crusades books (vs Zenghi, Nur-Al-Din and of course Saladin). I had barely ever read his name before
It's amazing how few realise just how badass the Georgians were in this era. Far more badass than every Crusader state combined. More successful too.
Yeah pretty much. David will have his own video in time.
Kit James and they are fiercely proud of it to this very day.
A bit ironic they fall so hard when Temur invades then 6 times after their golden age. Then after a century it just collapses.
@@jamestang1227 True, but it has to be taken into account that Georgia at that time was barely unified, some vassals had way too much autonomy and the kings couldn't control them often. This is really why David IV is often considered as the best ruler, he blinded and killed every priest and vassal that he considered to be a traitor, without much diplomatic penalty. That's a benefit of autocephaly. Imagine a French king doing the same to his priests right when the first crusade was announced. If there is anything disgraceful about most Georgian rulers it is how much power they handed out to their vassals. Every ruler who went down as a good and smart ruler was special in the sense of handling domestic affairs very effectively.
@@GODOBER True.
lol 19:10 city called "Ganja". Googled it. It's still called that to this day and is Azerbaijan's second largest city. The name comes from "Ganj" meaning treasure. Seemingly nothing to do with the Indian Sanskrit word "Ganja" meaning hemp.
georgians raided ganja in mid 12 c. and brought the city gate as a trophy. one can see it in gelati monastery near kutaisi. so everybody could have access to ganja :)
so about Battle of Didgori Turks had roughly around 100.000 to 300.000 David had 55.000(15.000 Kipchaks , Alans ..) + 300 Crusader Knights it was more like a moral boost and political concern than actual thing before the battle david locked passes and he cut his own way to retreat bcoz these battle would decide fate of entire caucases and middle east as well he is in the list of top 10 worlds best commanders alongside with napoleon and alexander the great ( u can google that and see proof)
kipchaks and alans are also turks
@@cafio0 alans are caucasian and kipchaks yes they have turkish origins
@@vortac4995 Alans are Iranian dude
@@lasha1120 yes, similar to Bulgarians
im loving your videos man, the videos about Viking history which is far from my favorite period are still damned amazing to me. I am always happy to see another upload from you!
Thanks my friend!! Really glad you like the channel. Much more Vikings on the way. Still so many stories to tell.
The Turkic warriors are AWESOME!
1121 ♥
I feel sorry for the poor horses.how over the centuries they were subjugated and forced to engage in these mindless wars of a species that had nothing to do with them. Shame, all this bloodshed caused by greed and a lust for power. When will it stop??? When are we finally going to evolve beyond it???
Agree. At 10:33 the artwork is amazing, you can see the expression on the horses' faces.
How many horses died at the hands of Napoleon? A million? Not a nice guy if you were a horse.
@@fjack1588 two wrongs don't make a right. It's long overdue for our species to evolve and realize that all life is sacred and meaningful in its own right. Peace.
it will stop when the human race disappears
I'm pretty sure they stopped using animals in battle after motorized vehicles were invented. So, World War 1.
Slightly disappointed for the lack of throat singing but still nice documentary :P
can you do a video on david the builder please.
Yep!
Have you actually done it? Couldn’t find it
@@lukasschneider7964 not yet apparently
Done some research. The story about Didgori is fascinating. David rallied tribesmen, Georgians and Templar knights to his banner...Ilghazi’s army was also a lot larger than depicted. We are talking about 150-200k men..
The western historians love to exaggerate the enemy numbers, it’s a known continuation of the war propaganda, spread by historic “eye witnesses”.
Damn it, if the Seljuks had this number of soldiers, they would have defeated the Crusaders 😂😂😂
Even the genghis khans army couldn't field this much soldiers in a single battle. It is logistically impossible.
Not so much impossible when you lack critical thinking skills though..
This video was very good and as a georgian thank you, but in didgori georgians faced not only ilghazi, but almost whole middle east and even arabian kingdoms participated in the battle
Thanks for watching! I'll be covering the battle in more detail in a video focusing on David in particular.
@Mr Seboss defended is a strong word, more like honored their end of the bargain :), they don't teach much about them in the school, I only know that they were turkic nomad people and in 13th century Kipchaks with North caucasian tribes faced mongols, but deserted the battlefield.
In general relations of Georgians and Kipchaks weren't that great, there is old national poem called "I met a Kipchak" ua-cam.com/video/ZWeojI9_3E8/v-deo.html
it's about how family meets kipchak on the road, he asks for bread, meat and wine the husband enthusiastically provides everything for kipchak, then the nomad asks for the mans wife and kisses her, man gets angry and they both kill eachother.
@Mr Seboss yes, I knew the first part, I didn't know about peace mediation with Alans and Rus though, interesting
@Mr Seboss that's true,but when Georgians settled kypchaks in districts,they had already have won many important battles against seljuks. Georgia already had very strong army,david needed kypchaks to ride their (seljuk teritory) and kypchak nomads in that way were one of the best.
@Mr Seboss there is another more popular poem it's derived from the one I mentioned previously, Giorgi Leonidze's "ყივჩაღის პაემანი" date with kipchak, but it's more about love and I think kipchak is metaphor
ua-cam.com/video/WIrJ8WvN0HI/v-deo.html
young kipchak tells his story:
how he is crazily in love with a married woman, he gets through numerous obstacles to get to her, but meets with the armed husband who chops his head in half, fallen and bleeding he asks the girl to comfort him till the next date.
It gave documentary taste. Congratulations
Thanks for watching!
I don't think any of these battles are discussed at Sandhurst staff college, It would expel the the attitude of superiority, Just to listen to who and Whare those army's came from would and dose give some understanding of middle East politics. There is war and death, Plundering and pillage, Children starve, This is a grief that be. The accounts we have listened to has been laid out so we can all understand what went on in that brief period of history.
Thanks for sharing this video it's much appreciated.
Thanks for watching ! appreciate it.
Ilgazi was a great general but he had alcohol problems unfortunately. Being alcoholic made him miserable many times.
Ganja city seems nice place to live in that time.
georgians raided ganja in mid 12 c. and brought the city gate as a trophy. one can see it in gelati monastery near kutaisi. so everybody could have access to ganja :)
I love you man... I mean your vids. 😅 Keep up the good work.
Thanks man! Glad you like them !
Turks and Turkic people were great thing that happened to islam they raise the banner of islam after arabs collapse.They were responsible for conversion and Islamization of three main mongol domains ilkanate,golden horde and chagatai khanate.I mean literally following all dynasties Ghaznavids ,Iksharids ,tulunids ,Khawarizmians ,Timurids, ottomans,mughals,volga bulgars ,seljuk turks,sultnate of rum (Anatolia) these all and many more were Turkic in orign.
I don’t know who either of the groups were. Thanks for the history lesson!👍🏻
very nice work, gets better and better, thank you
Thanks man appreciate that!
Great video mate! Im really impressed on with your skills in story telling and creating emersion!
Thanks mate. Appreciate the words. & Thanks for watching!
I have come up a conclusion after reading deeply on that era and didgori battle. I believe the Danishmend turkmen forces did not help ilgazi's army on purpose, they did not arrive on time purposely. because danishmend ruler is the cousin of suleyman shah which was killed by artuk bey who is the father of ilgazi bey. in addition, kipchak turkmens damaged ilgazi bey's army heavily which is not an expected situation and attacking style by georgians. as a conclusion, I believe there is a betrayal which is not touched by many and the kipchak attack which is not an expected georgian style.. anyway, I believe despite the fact that ilgazi beg lost the battle that is why he was rewarded by the sultan of seljuk.
Accurate. Other guys too, like Togan Arslan and rulers of Azerbaijan also left Ilghazi Bey alone in Didgori. Ilghazi's potential victory was maybe considered a potential threat for them, fearing to lose their own lands.
İlgazi'nin muhteşem kariyeri (Field of Blood, Kudüs Valiliği vs.) Didgori gibi bir trajediyle bitmemeliydi. Yazık oldu.
@@gigagigaa9696 100000-150000 died
@@MegaBaddog have you imagined how much force is 150000 armed men for that time and how much recourses it would have take to deploy that force 1000 km far? army of 150000 armed men would have massacred whole population of georgia, which at that time was 1 million maximum
it's just childish to believe that there actually were 300k men on the field
@@gigagigaa9696 there were 120000 men strong according of our sources, and over 1 million according to European sources which yea its stupid
Before the zengi and salahaddin he take great victory against cruseders but only %1 turkish people knew ilghazi
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aleppo(halep) syrian city
@@NoNe44556 I was kidding, dude. It's referring to Gary Johnson, who's candidacy for US president was over after he's asked that question. Watch ua-cam.com/video/fOT_BoGpCn4/v-deo.html
nothing, man. it is just a stition. upgrade it asap! then you can have a superstition
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Typically a question trump may ask
A Clash of Civilizations?...No......A *Game of Thrones*
Bohemond, Roger, Tancred, Charles Martel, to name a few. All men who make me feel a bit weak and inadequate.
Always excited when Seljuk content is released.
1121 Davit IV😎
this moment when you realized that your thoughts drifted away and you dont know what the narrator just said so you have to rewind and search for the last part you actively listened to
Yeah that's me with most of the podcasts I listen to! Thanks for stopping by
Im addicted to this channel. Really great learning about the Islamic history. I would love to have knowledge of the history, wars and respected generals. So i may have a conversation about these topics with elderly and military minded men of middle east descent and of Islamic historians. Great channel. Please keep it up. Your hard work and the style you use to give me knowledge is greatly appreciated. Thank you
Thanks for the great videos man .. i really love that one particular cinematic bit of music that comes in between your videos (from Last stand) .. Dont change that :P
For someone who doesn't trust Arabic historians and scholars you sure like using and reinterpreting our works and words.
outstanding! i didnt know any of this aside from the part about the french getting their asses kicked. Cant wait for more.
Thanks for the great content. I look forward to your next video. This is truly an underrated channel.
Another amazing Piece!!!
Thanks for watching man!
@@HistoryTime -always.The content,even after 36 years of being passionate about history and I`m 42 now-still can give me trills.Thank You and-go on!
Great content, I can’t even imagine the amount of work that went into this.
Thanks man, appreciate it :)
...when you think, Game of Thrones is a clusterfakk...
Very clear rendering of messy events and intrigue.
your voice is like melted caramel on my brain
Hey thanks man!
This battle is not known in the Arab world, although I am very familiar with the history of the world
14:45
I think that is pahlavi script. Not arabic :)
It was used by the Sassanids.
Also fr the future episode, Imad in zangi's name is pronouced as "im"(as in impossible) and "aad".
"Imaad"
Thanks for the input man. Appreciate it, I'll get my pronunciations right for the Zengi video. I did realise it was off but it was too late to change it.
@@HistoryTime No worries man. Your work is awesome.
Keep'em coming.
nice work,love your channel
Question. Did the Seljuks take Mecca and western Arabia? I have seen maps where they have western Arabia and maps where they do not.
Mr Seboss I know that but I am unsure about Mecca and the west.
Ilghazi (الغازي) meaning: The conqueror :-)
Sorry but I'm really confused at 12:16 - I know a shia-Persian Buyid dynasty, where do sunni Turkmen fit in here?
हिन्दी मे भी बहुत जरूरी है
I love it.
14:00 aksungur the child of the gradpa of the founder of ottoman empire right?
love your stuff. great to listen to whilst working, brilliant
How much time does it take to make a video like this one and how many people help with it?
Hey there! It's just me. It takes a very long time.
@@HistoryTime You put a lot of effort in them and it shows. Hopefully, more people will come, watch the videos and subscribe.
Thankyou man, I appreciate that a huge amount. Means a lot.
@@HistoryTime You're welcome. Thank you as well.
Nice job Pete.
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Too many names... :-(
I wouldn't be able to tell you even one of them, though I think there was an "Ill Gazi" ... who I think was Ben Gazi's sickly younger brother.
Malik Shah and King Baldwin are most famous character in this era and region. Of course the story continues with Nur ad-Din Zengi, Salah ad-Din Ayyubi, Guy of Lusignan and Richard the Lionheart.
12:15 I think you meant Burid not Buyid
the cool air over mountain graphic is really cool. How did you do that?
other books account for the crusades as a glorious and brutal religious war, but this version is more like an agnostic free for all. we r allowed to ally with christians against fellow muslims if needed. It could be because the line of communication between Rome and the Crusade system found it difficult to communicate without our modern 4G phone technologies.
Time to start my another CK2 game
Could you do one on Salahdin al ayuubi
thank u for the amazing video
Thanks for watching man!
exceptional!
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great vid ...can't wait for zengi
Thanks man! Not long :)
it eeeeeeeeeeeeedssa not odessa. you did it again.
It is indeed. Call it my perennial Midlands accent, I'll attempt to pronounce the E more thoroughly on the next vids.
There was no "Azerbaijan" until 1918
Azerbaijan has been around for 2200 years. First it was a Persian state, later it became a geographical area. Now it is a Turkic state with the same name.
www.etymonline.com/word/azerbaijan
@@onebarr exactly, it has been a region of Persia... a Persian state as you say. Never a people of a distinct culture or a sovereign identity. The modern Azerbaijani genetic affiliation are much closer to Iranic and Caucasian populations than Turkic peoples. And never was it a region 2,200 years ago! ua-cam.com/video/AmLtri3kQ80/v-deo.html
@@thedon1784 Get over it man, lol
@ get over what? Being historically accurate?
@@thedon1784 lol Fucking Gayremina Dog
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Tancred (Grand Emir of Antioch, Prince of Galilee and once Count of Edessa,my favourite Crusader) would have torn Ilghazi to pieces had he lived beyond 1112, his role in battles like Artah and Shaizar showed his bravery,courage and spirit and I’m sure if it was not for the untimely Typhus he would have been the greatest warrior against the Muslims and may have slowed their backlash against the Crusader states.Anyway I enjoyed the video and I hope my class will also after we watch it in class soon thanks allot for the simple yet detailed insight into such an interesting period of time.👍👌
Bohemond of Antioch (somewhat big brother of Tancred) and Edessa armies were wiped out by Sokman who was Ilghazi's brother. Try better next time maybe.
Timur Aktolga You are referring to the Battle of Harran in 1104, Tancred was the nephew not the “somewhat younger brother” of Bohemond.They both did participate although overall command was with Baldwin II of Edessa.The battle took place between Baldwin II of Edessa with his cousin Lord of Turbessel Joscelin against Jikirmish, atabeg of Mosul and Sokmen of Mardin. You should maybe try better next time😑
@@tancreddehauteville9983 OK so be it. If Tancred was there at Harran, he would have changed nothing because the strategy of Sokman was just magnificient, just like he couldn't change anything at Field of Sarmada against Ilghazi.
Timur Aktolga Tancred had already passed away in 1112 and was not present at Sarmada which took place in 1119. At Harran it was Jikirmish the Atabeg of Mosul who led the army and had carried out much of the fighting against Antioch as his army was bigger than Sokmen’s and he was the main commander
@@tancreddehauteville9983 At Harran, it seems Tancrede was there. And he just fled with the Norman portion of Crusaders while Edessans were all in the trap of Seljuks-Artukids of both Sokman and Jikirmish.
Georgia did it alone,as always.We are Orthodox Christian people,so destruction of Orthodox Constantinople was destructive for us,because that we appeared face to face with islamic people around us.non of Christian (european) countries helped us.
On this basis,we have to admit,that Orthodox Russia is the best and also geopolitical approved ally!
Russia attacked Georgia a couple of years ago, non?
Come on kipchacks why did you betray your brothers ?
Maybe this channel would help people understand that it was not so much about where one comes from. It was mostly about power and still is.
fuck yea this is just what i needed after a brutally long work day
Glad you like it man! Thankyou !