As an author myself, I can say that this is far, far away from be called a sin, considering that we have a full library of great stories full of hateful characters; are worst sins than that. The worst sin a writer can commit is write a story so badly generic that people will follow it thinking "*** did it better".
@@RodrickMarsMoon You can care about characters without liking them, or even while actively hating them. In these cases, you might "care" about them because you are interested in their journey, or how they interact with other characters, or even purely in just seeing them eventually meet their downfall. I would say that a lack of characters that the audience care about in some way kills a story, as there's nothing left for people to point to that justifies why they should be invested.
@@RodrickMarsMoon "_did it better" I said this to myself about the press releases about the Halo series. They described Master Chief as "going on a journey to rediscover his humanity". _Oh, they're doing a RoboCop._
@@RodrickMarsMoon Oh yeah, he gets flashbacks, takes off his helmet, complains about the USNC?(sorry I never played the games), the whole 9 yards. I get a feeling the writers think they're being original, I mean after all they also openly admitted they didn't play the games (not even on journalist mode).
Also i think the dumbest thing in the film that honestly doesnt get brought up enough, luke says he will teach her three lessons, then proceeds to give 1and half lessons before he tells her to leave again lmao.
The third lesson was cut from the film for some reason, I'm assuming time as I can't think of any other reason but it's really stupid because the third lesson is actually something approaching genuine cleverness but it got cut whereas we waste how long on Canto Byte again? It's worth looking it up if you can I can't remember where I found it otherwise I'd link it for you.
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 You'd think so but hollywood types especially pretentious artiste wannabes like RJ have weird priorities with this stuff. Like you said the movie is bloated AF so clearly the priorities were screwed in production or a lot of the filler would've been cut but it wasn't.
@@GodOfOrphans Actually MauLer went and double-checked the film after that deleted scene came out and it turns out that Luke only gave Rey *one* ... um... "lesson." Which would be the "feel the tisms in your fingertips for 2.5 seconds" bit. The movie is *actually* missing *two* Force lessons, even if Rian had remembered to put that deleted scene in, there would STILL only be *two* "lessons. Which means Luke can't count, buuut I suppose that's still a better alternative to him sitting there and *allowing* a whole village of innocent people get slaughtered... even if he DID try to murder his own sleeping innocent nephew because he had a bad dream regardless...
@@eidolon1426I remember that being a deleted scene where he tricks Rey into thinking a group of ships approaching that village are raiders that regularly pillage its people and the lesson being that a Jedi wouldn’t interfere and risk escalating the conflict and subsequent civilian casualties, which Rey then argues as an excuse not to fight and allowing others to suffer. The scene is still intended to negatively portray Luke due to it being born from his cynicism, but it would have at least been in service building Rey and Luke’s discord until she decides to try and pass off her responsibility of being the one to save the galaxy onto Ben.
The inability to let a moment rest and have its proper gravity without instantly slipping in five desperately "clever" one-liners is one of the worst traits of modern blockbuster cinema.
Without the lore, it’s still a mid sci-fi movie with decent cinematography, an overly pretentious plot, and D-tier MCU comedy. Applying the SW mythos just makes TLJ exponentially worse.
True that SW is subpar cinematically, but it's weird to hear it compared to the MCU when SSW predates the MCU and was never trying to be like the MCU, a group of heroes from different films assembling into one film. SW was never that. SW was based more on mythology, in that it was an assembly of characters who had interwoven background stories that get revealed over time.
@@sunbeames Which actually makes the sequel trilogy worse in hindsight, as Star Wars was never intended to be a comedy. But with the success of The Avengers, practically every major big name blockbuster tries to emulate the Wheton style of quips and one-liners, regardless of overall context. Which led to failed attempts such as Hellboy 2019, Cowboy Bebop Netflix, and modernized Star Trek.
I can't beleive I'm gonna say this but it's honestly worse, for as justifiably hated as Twilight is it didn't do anywhere near the cultural damage TLJ did.
Bad acting comes in few categories, 1. Bored: 😴, looking like they would rather be at a party rather than be in a movie 2. Confused: 😕 like they literally have no idea what is going on in a scene 3. Angry: 💥 vein bulging while making funny faces and sounds Because Ray was the star, we would experience all 3 types of bad acting, sometimes all at once because of the Mary sue thing
I think rose could be really great as a villain. Like at the end, she just walked in, and put on her silver mask. It would explain why she didn't let anyone off the ship
I remember when my dad watched it back when it came out and when I asked him how it was, he said, "It sucked. It was the same story as the first movie." My dad's as much of a normie as it gets; he doesn't think about any SJW undertones or culture war. All he knew was that it didn't do anything that A New Hope didn't do better. Know what would've made it better? If Finn was the protagonist. Imagine, the story of a Storm Trooper going rogue. If the Mandolorian proved anything, it's that not every Star Wars movie has to be Jedi-focused. I'm not even a big Star Wars fan and I'd be interested.
Everyone was interested in Finn, and then they fucking yeeted him to the background as a gag character. Fucking Bastards stole a great movie from us and gave us shit.
I'm not even a Star Wars fan and yet I think Finn would be a much more interesting protagonist than Rey. Probably because he has an actual backstory and room to develop, as opposed to Rey, who is just there to act quippy and gain power-ups through little to no tribulations.
I felt ...weird after I saw tfa. The first time. I tried getting into it numerous times, but I couldn't. And it was because I kept on thinking: "why are we redoing a new hope?" This is subjective, but I wanted tfa to move the story forward, and it honestly felt like a soft reset. It wasn't what I was looking for and I still felt a bit disappointed when everyone I knew loved it.
Whenever i get these sycophant types i just reply to them with "you will own nothing and be happy" with the redlettermedia clip, "Just consume product". Happy cattle go moo.
I think Mary Sue is an outdated name definition, it should be a "Rey Palpatine" now. At least the original Mary Sue was made on comical purpose to mock all the author who do those self inserted god mod characters. Rey ? It's 100% serious.
19:26 Even people who wanted Finn to become a Jedi and were disappointed that he just ran around shouting Rey's name were dismissed as racists because not wanting one character to be another's cheerleader is racism apparently.
@@rhemorigher The modern Disney motto is apparently "If you don't like a badly written and acted character with no personality we'll use their gender, race, sexuality, disability, age or whatever else to call you prejudiced."
Thank you for pointing out the insecurity thing. This is something that has bothered me for YEARS but I could never properly put my finger on how to explain to other people who the posturing is so obnoxious.
I just recorded a commentary for this movie the other day and trust me when I say that, as someone who spent 25 years balls deep into the best and worst of Star Wars, the lore makes this movie worse.
"Vending machine chicken sandwiches" Okay im gonna use that to mentally dom everyone And i do very mutch agree with the "Strong wamen" point. Like i got this girl known as Jean who lives a pirates life you can say, very talented as a admiral and able to use her surroundings and areas useally not used for fighting as her advantage. But she struggles when it comes to land battles where she often find her landing parties getting destroyed by the defenders. So what does she do? well she opens a position for a military officer in this case Egil Alexsander a ex drill officer. Who comes in and trains and drills some of her men ear marked for land battles into proffesunal soldiers. And shes very happy with the guy dosent get snarky but fully understands that she got her own field exspertise Egil got hes.
Lucas did that in the original, using dialogue and action derived from British war-films like 'The Dam Busters', so I guess that Johnson made a ham-handed attempt to do the same.
One thing I didn't get with the whole bomber section is that they're fighting a space battle with missiles and lasers and their best attack method is slow, ww2 style, gravity based bombs.
The thing that really killed this movie for me when I was a teenager was the comedy. I didn’t care about Star Wars because I hadn’t watched the original trilogy in a decade and I hadn’t seen any of the shows, and I only watched the movie once all the way through, so I didn’t remember all the plot holes. But I really hated the jokes in this movie, especially in the opening and in the B-plot with Finn and Rose. They were done dirty by this film, especially considering the hell Finn went through in the Force Awakens, the only Star Wars movie I could remember off the top of my head at the time. The porgs looked pretty tasty though.
On your points about modern female characters in fiction, it’s exasperating to know that only the most contrived and shallow archetypes tend to get the most attention in media today. As a disgusting cis-hetero man I’m really attracted to the idea of well-written and nuanced female characters who aren’t typecast or categorized. It seems that modern writers are too afraid to show flaws or inadequacy in their female characters, but it’s those flaws that make us human. Unfortunately for America men and women are both part of the human race. Makes it awfully hard to manufacture a demographic.
It's because of Current Year politics and IDPOL garbage being mainstream that companies are forced to either write a really safe "empowered" woman or get cancelled. I'll bet you that 9/10 women would rather see a Ripley type of character that knows their strengths and weaknesses than a hamfisted Rey character that "can do no wrong UwU", but we HAVE to accept that mainstream entertainment follows whatever makes them money and currently that is SJW type writing. We need to vote with our wallets much more, it's the only way to get this shit to stop. We need to convince the powers that be that the vocal minority that is the SJW/Twitter left don't speak for us. Gatekeep your hobbies, don't discuss politics with anyone you aren't 100% comfortable with will hold a neutral opinion to yours if you aren't perfectly in line with The Party's views (don't get cancelled, I mean) and stop supporting companies like Disney that would rather cater to both China and America by removing or adding things for either market.
33:28 The sequel trilogy throws in a bunch of random things The Force could never do before like heal injuries and resurrect the dead in Rise of Skywalker.
I went into this movie as a pretty big Star Wars fan of the lore who had grown up with the EU, and for sure there's a whole EU of issues in light of the lore. But the reason I gravitated towards Star Wars from the very beginning was I loved the morality tale behind it. And the real, primary, deep-rooted reason I hated TLJ and the new movies is that their morality tale is either inchoerent, wrongheaded or nonexistent at various points throughout. When I actually could piece together the morals, values, motivations and subtext of the movies, I completely disagreed with them both in general AND in comparison with the original movies. I grew up with the prequels and really the only defense I had for them is that AT LEAST they held some form of continuity, cohesion, and expansion of that original morality tale, while executed very badly overall with some solid moments.
Legends say that if you speak "I am [your name here] Skywalker" three times in front of a mirror, you become a Mary Sue and everyone (aside from good Star Wars fans) loves you
its a mistake to approach these movies from the perspective of a lore lord. not because being invested in lore is bad, or because it isnt important for a sequel to respect what was established by its predecessors, but because the people who make these movies couldnt care less about lore. even the lore that they themselves just finished establishing. lore lords appeal to priorities that these people dont have.
My biggest non-lore gripe (which would include but is far from limited to all of the hanging plot threads from The Force Awakens that were either unceremoniously severed or just outright ignored) is that the entire thing plays off like a comedy of errors, except it's not funny. The plot is pushed forward by characters' incompetence and bad decisions rather than by cleverness and bravery. As a very incomplete list: Poe only managed to destroy the Dreadnaught because Hux fell for a prank phone call and nobody thought to scramble fighters. Any competent response by The First Order would have seen him destroyed. The entire Kantobyte mess happened because the heroes parked badly enough to draw law enforcement. And it's not like their illegal parking was even an attempt to be subtle and stealthy and hide the ship, it was just stupid. Poe's entire mutiny could have been headed off if Holdo had just told him the escape plan. Or even that there WAS a plan besides "run until we die." If she was worried about spies (which if she didn't believe the "lightspeed tracking" thing might have been a possibility to consider), tell him that. No mutiny would have occurred. Also, if Poe hadn't taken out that Dreadnaught it would have destroyed the entire fleet during that low-speed chase, so the harshness of his reprimand was also very dumb. Holdo's escape plan would have worked if the Kantobyte crew hadn't been openly discussing said plan in front of the sketchy code-breaker person. Also, if the light speed ram was ever an option, why not use one of the ships that was getting sacrificed in the chase anyway? If Rose hadn't stopped Fin's sacrifice against the giant ground laser, the First Order never would have breached their bunker. As far as she knew, this was the last stand, and saving Fin wouldn't have mattered anyway because everyone was dead anyway if not for a Deus ex Machina. What exactly was Rey's plan in turning herself over to Snoke? If Kylo hadn't mudered his master (while he was actively monologuing about being able to read Kylo's every thought, like an idiot) then she was just dead. Literally every major plot point only works because a character who's supposed to be smart acted like an idiot.
someone brought you up in the last "efap superchat catchup"... some1 in chat said "bring on procrastiTara" mauler took note, asked the others if they knew who you were... someone mentioned you were covering Batwahmen.... if the longman shoots you a DM, answer and guest!
This movie and so many others recently is the prime example of Hollywood's absence of creativity. All these movies just feel like someone had a story they wanted to make into a movie but nobody had enough imagination to create their own universe so they stole something that already exist and forced their plot into it. They did this with Star Wars, Star Trek, Terminator, The Matrix, Marvel is doing it to themselvesand soon they'll do it to Lord of the Ring. Queue in the red letter media clip. Good video though, you made some new points the efap crew didn't bring up which adds to the many things wrong with this movie.
Love your commentary. You make so many good points about the avdol blemish and female characters etc. which should be common sense for professional movie writers. I really like your review videos and of course your art looks great :D the chicken are so adorable :3
I’m going to start saying “buckle your fuckles” all the time. Also, your store is great. I’m going to buy some stationary for my Mum for her birthday x
As someone who more or less saw this movie before all the others (...I know, right? Tbf I knew most of the story from the lego games of all things) I vaguely remember being really confused and bored, but most of all I thought the story was going to be about Finn going rogue or him being more of the protagonist. As utterly cheesy as it sounds (bear with me because I hardly remember) I thought the way they framed him with the bloody marks on his helmet implied that they were going to stay there or at least be more symbolic.
41:18 It's like how a lot of women Twilight fans think that because they're women who like it that somehow means all women like Twilight when they don't. And some women who don't are either accused of being brainwashed by sexist men into hating it or told they're trying to be not like other girls. The Twilight fanbase is hypocritical basically saying people are sexist for not liking it then implying all women have to like it.
Well I mean, I like Twilight but I know it's garbage. If you don't like it, good, you're within your right. If you do like it, good; just don't pretend it's a good story or that disliking it makes you a misogynist.
Tara pls review “the love hypothesis” which is a published reylo au fanfic that is absolutely awful. I’ve seen so many positive reviews but the book makes me genuinely angry and I need someone to be mad about it with me haha
I really don't think anyone has trouble proving this movie was terrible without using lore. It's so... Blatantly, obviously, clearly... Fucking terrible.
It's quite obvious that Rian Johnson had no idea what he was doing so he basically took Battlestar Galactica and slapped some fresh paint on it. Trouble is, BSG operated under different rules. Fighters needed to refuel, as did the Galactica, but the Cylons didn't because they had magic bullshit engines. There was an overall dark tone and an unstable chain of command, the hotshot pilot got reprimanded, and Commander Adama was injured, leaving his unpopular XO in command. And finally an unpopular leader took her ship on a suicide run against the baddies to let the good guys escape.
These days, the only good way to experience the stars wars is through the mods for empire at war, why wait for disney to disappoint you when a more motivated fan can wow you through your nostalgia synapses for a few hours before your forced to go back to being a wagey.
Something that I don't see brought up much is, why did Poe get demoted? Presumably Leia signed off on the dreadnought plan before they did it otherwise those ships wouldn't have been available. Which makes her getting cold feet at the last second very odd Poe isn't responsible for the bombers being unbelievably slow. It makes no sense to blame the one person who did their job successfully for a plan falling apart.
I bet I will love watching this video...but will there be a Part 2? It's been over a year and I am concerned that we may be left with a Part 1 cliffhanger forever...
True there being only a small resistance of people was a bad plot point and I think they did it intentionally to make some political points. You getting the feeling they are setting up the deaths to show how bad the bad guys are are correct but they dont do it to show someone in the story getting inspired they do it to inspire the audience. "Embrace the revolution." Finn acting like an idiot is to make his character into an effeminate fool so that they can later lean into the reylo. Finns tragic backstory, his loss to Kylo and even his injuries are glossed over for jokes and they made sure to put him in a leaking fluid suit to make him look both pathetic and disgusting as fluids are a tool for directors to make characters disgusting in the eye of the audience. We see this later with Luke. Also you are right about things happening for no reason. Or rather they happen because the writer thinks its cool. So everything feels disjointed and slightly "off". The crowning achievement of garbage is pink hair lady constantly talking down to Poe, again its because they think its cool. "And cool people piss on others to show how cool they are right?" "That is how I do it" (Also I kinda belive they were channeling bitterness towards Latinos at the time because of the whole election thing.)
I've heard the most grievous sin a writer can commit is to make the audience ask "Why do I care about these people?"
As an author myself, I can say that this is far, far away from be called a sin, considering that we have a full library of great stories full of hateful characters; are worst sins than that.
The worst sin a writer can commit is write a story so badly generic that people will follow it thinking "*** did it better".
@@RodrickMarsMoon You can care about characters without liking them, or even while actively hating them. In these cases, you might "care" about them because you are interested in their journey, or how they interact with other characters, or even purely in just seeing them eventually meet their downfall. I would say that a lack of characters that the audience care about in some way kills a story, as there's nothing left for people to point to that justifies why they should be invested.
@@RodrickMarsMoon "_did it better"
I said this to myself about the press releases about the Halo series. They described Master Chief as "going on a journey to rediscover his humanity".
_Oh, they're doing a RoboCop._
@@Shockguey Wait, really? They did this in the Halo series?
What a deception.
@@RodrickMarsMoon Oh yeah, he gets flashbacks, takes off his helmet, complains about the USNC?(sorry I never played the games), the whole 9 yards.
I get a feeling the writers think they're being original, I mean after all they also openly admitted they didn't play the games (not even on journalist mode).
And when the algorithm needed her most, she returned.
Even after all these years I will never tire of watching people rip this travesty apart.
It's more entertaining than the movie itself.
Also i think the dumbest thing in the film that honestly doesnt get brought up enough, luke says he will teach her three lessons, then proceeds to give 1and half lessons before he tells her to leave again lmao.
The third lesson was cut from the film for some reason, I'm assuming time as I can't think of any other reason but it's really stupid because the third lesson is actually something approaching genuine cleverness but it got cut whereas we waste how long on Canto Byte again? It's worth looking it up if you can I can't remember where I found it otherwise I'd link it for you.
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 You'd think so but hollywood types especially pretentious artiste wannabes like RJ have weird priorities with this stuff. Like you said the movie is bloated AF so clearly the priorities were screwed in production or a lot of the filler would've been cut but it wasn't.
@@GodOfOrphans
Actually MauLer went and double-checked the film after that deleted scene came out and it turns out that Luke only gave Rey *one* ... um... "lesson." Which would be the "feel the tisms in your fingertips for 2.5 seconds" bit.
The movie is *actually* missing *two* Force lessons, even if Rian had remembered to put that deleted scene in, there would STILL only be *two* "lessons.
Which means Luke can't count, buuut I suppose that's still a better alternative to him sitting there and *allowing* a whole village of innocent people get slaughtered... even if he DID try to murder his own sleeping innocent nephew because he had a bad dream regardless...
@@eidolon1426I remember that being a deleted scene where he tricks Rey into thinking a group of ships approaching that village are raiders that regularly pillage its people and the lesson being that a Jedi wouldn’t interfere and risk escalating the conflict and subsequent civilian casualties, which Rey then argues as an excuse not to fight and allowing others to suffer. The scene is still intended to negatively portray Luke due to it being born from his cynicism, but it would have at least been in service building Rey and Luke’s discord until she decides to try and pass off her responsibility of being the one to save the galaxy onto Ben.
It's even worse when you _do_ use Star Wars lore-with the added context of the six movies or the Expanded Universe.
"Oh, my best friend is dead? Time for some terrible, annoying quips!"
- Rian Johnson's Luke Skywalker
The inability to let a moment rest and have its proper gravity without instantly slipping in five desperately "clever" one-liners is one of the worst traits of modern blockbuster cinema.
Luke became an MCU character.
My favorite thing is when people think those annoying quips are actually humor. Like, no, when something’s funny you laugh
Jake Skywalker*
This is genuinely one of the few channels I look forward to seeing new content from! I hope you get to 100K and more soon!
For fucking real. Criminally underrated.
Without the lore, it’s still a mid sci-fi movie with decent cinematography, an overly pretentious plot, and D-tier MCU comedy. Applying the SW mythos just makes TLJ exponentially worse.
True that SW is subpar cinematically, but it's weird to hear it compared to the MCU when SSW predates the MCU and was never trying to be like the MCU, a group of heroes from different films assembling into one film. SW was never that. SW was based more on mythology, in that it was an assembly of characters who had interwoven background stories that get revealed over time.
@@sdaniels160 I think OP were comparing the comedy of sw to the comedy of mcu, not the genres or story formats.
@@sunbeames Cool. I get overly analytical sometimes.
@@sdaniels160 it's okay. As an autistic (but not all autistics) I get the same way as well sometimes. We're all human after all.
@@sunbeames Which actually makes the sequel trilogy worse in hindsight, as Star Wars was never intended to be a comedy.
But with the success of The Avengers, practically every major big name blockbuster tries to emulate the Wheton style of quips and one-liners, regardless of overall context.
Which led to failed attempts such as Hellboy 2019, Cowboy Bebop Netflix, and modernized Star Trek.
Internet Historian came back and now Procrastitara.
5:55 Why does it exist?
To quote Yogurt " I'll see you in the sequel, Space Balls 2: The Quest for More Money."
"Merchandising,...where the real money from the movie is made" Star Wars exits to sell toys.
The Sequel Trilogy feels like Twilight in Space.
Since Last Jedi is when they started trying to portray Kylo as a poor victim to please Adam Driver fangirls that's exactly what it is.
I can't beleive I'm gonna say this but it's honestly worse, for as justifiably hated as Twilight is it didn't do anywhere near the cultural damage TLJ did.
Yeah, Twilight is better. At least it didn't need an already established, actually good IP to sell
@@Xehanort10 Adam Driver didn't deserve to fall into this movie..poor guy, he's really a good actor.
Bad acting comes in few categories, 1. Bored: 😴, looking like they would rather be at a party rather than be in a movie
2. Confused: 😕 like they literally have no idea what is going on in a scene
3. Angry: 💥 vein bulging while making funny faces and sounds
Because Ray was the star, we would experience all 3 types of bad acting, sometimes all at once because of the Mary sue thing
3 should be called scenery chewing because it isn't limited to just anger even if that is one of the more common ways it manifests.
John Williams was wasted on the sequels.
As someone who plays Star Wars: Armada, the first order doesnt understand how to fly a fleet.
Well, they don't know which way is up, so..
Another innocent soul devoured by Longman! Glorious!
Great video, thank you ProcrastiTara.
20:06 the kids in Stanger Things have why better Facial Expressions and Acting Skills then Daisy Ridley
@@makeitthrough_ I don't think Anyone cares, My dude
As a sequel it can't exist without lore. Even then though it's still confusing at best.
18:11 I eat pizza with a fork because I don't like my hands getting greasy.
Ok, but do you eat cereal with water?
@@bertimusprime7900
Absolutely not.
I think rose could be really great as a villain. Like at the end, she just walked in, and put on her silver mask. It would explain why she didn't let anyone off the ship
I remember when my dad watched it back when it came out and when I asked him how it was, he said, "It sucked. It was the same story as the first movie." My dad's as much of a normie as it gets; he doesn't think about any SJW undertones or culture war. All he knew was that it didn't do anything that A New Hope didn't do better.
Know what would've made it better? If Finn was the protagonist. Imagine, the story of a Storm Trooper going rogue. If the Mandolorian proved anything, it's that not every Star Wars movie has to be Jedi-focused. I'm not even a big Star Wars fan and I'd be interested.
Everyone was interested in Finn, and then they fucking yeeted him to the background as a gag character. Fucking Bastards stole a great movie from us and gave us shit.
I'm not even a Star Wars fan and yet I think Finn would be a much more interesting protagonist than Rey.
Probably because he has an actual backstory and room to develop, as opposed to Rey, who is just there to act quippy and gain power-ups through little to no tribulations.
Finn is based off a Character in the EU who was a former stormtrooper turned Jedi named Kyle Katarn
I felt ...weird after I saw tfa. The first time. I tried getting into it numerous times, but I couldn't. And it was because I kept on thinking: "why are we redoing a new hope?"
This is subjective, but I wanted tfa to move the story forward, and it honestly felt like a soft reset. It wasn't what I was looking for and I still felt a bit disappointed when everyone I knew loved it.
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 Egad, you're right! Thanks for the correction.
Whenever i get these sycophant types i just reply to them with "you will own nothing and be happy" with the redlettermedia clip, "Just consume product". Happy cattle go moo.
Mmmm....just when I was starting to miss “wish for death island,” she comes down and pulls me back.
Just when you thought you were out Tara pulled you back in.
@@Xehanort10
My theory is that “Wish for death Island” is a Lovecraftian horror of a place and Tara is its avatar calling us to the madness.
"Disengage your fleet! We didn't bring that fleet of bombers here to blow stuff up!""
Honestly, 20 minutes is longer than I could go criticizing these movies WITHOUT calling Rey an awful shitty Mary Sue character.
I think Mary Sue is an outdated name definition, it should be a "Rey Palpatine" now. At least the original Mary Sue was made on comical purpose to mock all the author who do those self inserted god mod characters. Rey ? It's 100% serious.
19:26 Even people who wanted Finn to become a Jedi and were disappointed that he just ran around shouting Rey's name were dismissed as racists because not wanting one character to be another's cheerleader is racism apparently.
Yeah, super racist to want a black protagonist to be cool. These people are idiots. They cause words to lose meaning by using them incorrectly.
I thought they were sexists who couldn't handle a man playing second fiddle.
@@rhemorigher The modern Disney motto is apparently "If you don't like a badly written and acted character with no personality we'll use their gender, race, sexuality, disability, age or whatever else to call you prejudiced."
Meanwhile, Disney all but erased Finn from Chinese movie posters in order to placate actual racists..lol.
"They're getting f*cked,
Brazzers style" 😂🤣😂🤣
Thank you for pointing out the insecurity thing. This is something that has bothered me for YEARS but I could never properly put my finger on how to explain to other people who the posturing is so obnoxious.
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I just recorded a commentary for this movie the other day and trust me when I say that, as someone who spent 25 years balls deep into the best and worst of Star Wars, the lore makes this movie worse.
"Vending machine chicken sandwiches"
Okay im gonna use that to mentally dom everyone
And i do very mutch agree with the "Strong wamen" point. Like i got this girl known as Jean who lives a pirates life you can say, very talented as a admiral and able to use her surroundings and areas useally not used for fighting as her advantage. But she struggles when it comes to land battles where she often find her landing parties getting destroyed by the defenders. So what does she do? well she opens a position for a military officer in this case Egil Alexsander a ex drill officer. Who comes in and trains and drills some of her men ear marked for land battles into proffesunal soldiers. And shes very happy with the guy dosent get snarky but fully understands that she got her own field exspertise Egil got hes.
Why were they using bombs instead of missiles? Soley to recreate a dramatic failed bomber scene as you would see from a WWII movie.
Lucas did that in the original, using dialogue and action derived from British war-films like 'The Dam Busters', so I guess that Johnson made a ham-handed attempt to do the same.
Bombers belong in space like screen doors belong on submarines. That scene pulled me right out of the movie.
One thing I didn't get with the whole bomber section is that they're fighting a space battle with missiles and lasers and their best attack method is slow, ww2 style, gravity based bombs.
Holy shit I haven’t been on this channel in almost a year, glad to see you still make videos I love this stuff
The thing that really killed this movie for me when I was a teenager was the comedy. I didn’t care about Star Wars because I hadn’t watched the original trilogy in a decade and I hadn’t seen any of the shows, and I only watched the movie once all the way through, so I didn’t remember all the plot holes. But I really hated the jokes in this movie, especially in the opening and in the B-plot with Finn and Rose. They were done dirty by this film, especially considering the hell Finn went through in the Force Awakens, the only Star Wars movie I could remember off the top of my head at the time.
The porgs looked pretty tasty though.
On your points about modern female characters in fiction, it’s exasperating to know that only the most contrived and shallow archetypes tend to get the most attention in media today. As a disgusting cis-hetero man I’m really attracted to the idea of well-written and nuanced female characters who aren’t typecast or categorized. It seems that modern writers are too afraid to show flaws or inadequacy in their female characters, but it’s those flaws that make us human. Unfortunately for America men and women are both part of the human race. Makes it awfully hard to manufacture a demographic.
Look up the "Galbrush Paradox" if you haven't already. It's essentially this.
It's because of Current Year politics and IDPOL garbage being mainstream that companies are forced to either write a really safe "empowered" woman or get cancelled. I'll bet you that 9/10 women would rather see a Ripley type of character that knows their strengths and weaknesses than a hamfisted Rey character that "can do no wrong UwU", but we HAVE to accept that mainstream entertainment follows whatever makes them money and currently that is SJW type writing.
We need to vote with our wallets much more, it's the only way to get this shit to stop. We need to convince the powers that be that the vocal minority that is the SJW/Twitter left don't speak for us.
Gatekeep your hobbies, don't discuss politics with anyone you aren't 100% comfortable with will hold a neutral opinion to yours if you aren't perfectly in line with The Party's views (don't get cancelled, I mean) and stop supporting companies like Disney that would rather cater to both China and America by removing or adding things for either market.
33:28 The sequel trilogy throws in a bunch of random things The Force could never do before like heal injuries and resurrect the dead in Rise of Skywalker.
I know it's been 7 months but please continue this series
I went into this movie as a pretty big Star Wars fan of the lore who had grown up with the EU, and for sure there's a whole EU of issues in light of the lore. But the reason I gravitated towards Star Wars from the very beginning was I loved the morality tale behind it.
And the real, primary, deep-rooted reason I hated TLJ and the new movies is that their morality tale is either inchoerent, wrongheaded or nonexistent at various points throughout. When I actually could piece together the morals, values, motivations and subtext of the movies, I completely disagreed with them both in general AND in comparison with the original movies.
I grew up with the prequels and really the only defense I had for them is that AT LEAST they held some form of continuity, cohesion, and expansion of that original morality tale, while executed very badly overall with some solid moments.
bro the dankpods ohmypkcell killed me
Basic issue of this and old non cinematic cannon is they convince you Sheeves Palpatine was right.
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I can’t wait to see you as a guest on EFAP someday. I’ve been saying that for decades now.
It's always nice to see someone new rip this movie a new one
your references are on point, didnt expect a dankpods reference, feel better tho
"A surpirse to be sure, but a weocome one"
Not the video i thought id see today in my feed lmao but hell yeah.
Legends say that if you speak "I am [your name here] Skywalker" three times in front of a mirror, you become a Mary Sue and everyone (aside from good Star Wars fans) loves you
I'm flabbergasted. "Vending machine chicken sandwich" as an insult is beyond what I was prepared for.
its a mistake to approach these movies from the perspective of a lore lord. not because being invested in lore is bad, or because it isnt important for a sequel to respect what was established by its predecessors, but because the people who make these movies couldnt care less about lore. even the lore that they themselves just finished establishing. lore lords appeal to priorities that these people dont have.
I love your content so much, I share it to my friends when I can. You deserve so much more visibility.
She's returned once again!👏
I loved this Last Jedi review from the perspective of someone who isn't a deep Star Wars fan. Looking forward to future parts.
"vending machine chicken sandwish" XD you did watch Mauler's videos 8/10
My biggest non-lore gripe (which would include but is far from limited to all of the hanging plot threads from The Force Awakens that were either unceremoniously severed or just outright ignored) is that the entire thing plays off like a comedy of errors, except it's not funny. The plot is pushed forward by characters' incompetence and bad decisions rather than by cleverness and bravery.
As a very incomplete list:
Poe only managed to destroy the Dreadnaught because Hux fell for a prank phone call and nobody thought to scramble fighters. Any competent response by The First Order would have seen him destroyed.
The entire Kantobyte mess happened because the heroes parked badly enough to draw law enforcement. And it's not like their illegal parking was even an attempt to be subtle and stealthy and hide the ship, it was just stupid.
Poe's entire mutiny could have been headed off if Holdo had just told him the escape plan. Or even that there WAS a plan besides "run until we die." If she was worried about spies (which if she didn't believe the "lightspeed tracking" thing might have been a possibility to consider), tell him that. No mutiny would have occurred. Also, if Poe hadn't taken out that Dreadnaught it would have destroyed the entire fleet during that low-speed chase, so the harshness of his reprimand was also very dumb.
Holdo's escape plan would have worked if the Kantobyte crew hadn't been openly discussing said plan in front of the sketchy code-breaker person. Also, if the light speed ram was ever an option, why not use one of the ships that was getting sacrificed in the chase anyway?
If Rose hadn't stopped Fin's sacrifice against the giant ground laser, the First Order never would have breached their bunker. As far as she knew, this was the last stand, and saving Fin wouldn't have mattered anyway because everyone was dead anyway if not for a Deus ex Machina.
What exactly was Rey's plan in turning herself over to Snoke? If Kylo hadn't mudered his master (while he was actively monologuing about being able to read Kylo's every thought, like an idiot) then she was just dead.
Literally every major plot point only works because a character who's supposed to be smart acted like an idiot.
Ah yes, the negotiator!
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someone brought you up in the last "efap superchat catchup"... some1 in chat said "bring on procrastiTara"
mauler took note, asked the others if they knew who you were... someone mentioned you were covering Batwahmen....
if the longman shoots you a DM, answer and guest!
A TLJ review from Procrastitara?! YESSSS! Hope you start feeling better soon.
P.S. Excellent use of DankPods memes
This movie and so many others recently is the prime example of Hollywood's absence of creativity. All these movies just feel like someone had a story they wanted to make into a movie but nobody had enough imagination to create their own universe so they stole something that already exist and forced their plot into it. They did this with Star Wars, Star Trek, Terminator, The Matrix, Marvel is doing it to themselvesand soon they'll do it to Lord of the Ring. Queue in the red letter media clip. Good video though, you made some new points the efap crew didn't bring up which adds to the many things wrong with this movie.
The "sequels" are bad remakes of the original trilogy passed off as sequels to them.
It’s not just Hollywood, music and dolls and video games are all scared of being different, and it’s just boring
Love your commentary. You make so many good points about the avdol blemish and female characters etc. which should be common sense for professional movie writers. I really like your review videos and of course your art looks great :D the chicken are so adorable :3
I fucking died that intro 😭
As a pizza forker myself I feel attacked.
Are you saying you eat pizza with a fork? Because if you do, that’s vile and despicable
The script for this movie really feels like a first draft.
This one should be a BANGER!
I’m going to start saying “buckle your fuckles” all the time. Also, your store is great. I’m going to buy some stationary for my Mum for her birthday x
Wow another thing to look forward to from Tara,
Your drawings are heckin adorable and amazing! 🥐🐓🐔🐣🐤🐥
Alcoholic Santa. Best nickname for Jake Skywalker. XD
The based nice voice woman has returned
Hi Tara hope you get better
19:12 He actually got his own poster in China, that's how much they hated him.
got jumpscared by dankpods in the intro there I forget that other people know he exists
Oh shit a Tara video? My yearly Amazon prime payment must be coming up.
Literally only thing I'm looking for when I open UA-cam.
As someone who more or less saw this movie before all the others (...I know, right? Tbf I knew most of the story from the lego games of all things) I vaguely remember being really confused and bored, but most of all I thought the story was going to be about Finn going rogue or him being more of the protagonist. As utterly cheesy as it sounds (bear with me because I hardly remember) I thought the way they framed him with the bloody marks on his helmet implied that they were going to stay there or at least be more symbolic.
42:57 Woah I love Rammstein!
further proof that this your content is always great to see
41:18 It's like how a lot of women Twilight fans think that because they're women who like it that somehow means all women like Twilight when they don't. And some women who don't are either accused of being brainwashed by sexist men into hating it or told they're trying to be not like other girls. The Twilight fanbase is hypocritical basically saying people are sexist for not liking it then implying all women have to like it.
Well I mean, I like Twilight but I know it's garbage. If you don't like it, good, you're within your right. If you do like it, good; just don't pretend it's a good story or that disliking it makes you a misogynist.
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The correct take.
This is the only time I will ever say "Based."
If two TIE fighters were able to blow up the bridge of the Raddus, why didn't the Star Destroyers send out more to just hammer the ship with missiles?
I love your videos, Tara... I just can't handle anymore talk about TLJ. But I'll leave a like, and I'll check out what comes next.
"...I like cutsey vegetables...". Have you ever heard of a game called "cooking companions"?
Tara pls review “the love hypothesis” which is a published reylo au fanfic that is absolutely awful. I’ve seen so many positive reviews but the book makes me genuinely angry and I need someone to be mad about it with me haha
I really don't think anyone has trouble proving this movie was terrible without using lore. It's so... Blatantly, obviously, clearly... Fucking terrible.
"Buckle your Fuckles" 🤣🤣
Bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.
As a citizen of wish-fo'-death-island, I welcome the return of our Grand Overseer
Avdol's forehead is a better name
It's quite obvious that Rian Johnson had no idea what he was doing so he basically took Battlestar Galactica and slapped some fresh paint on it. Trouble is, BSG operated under different rules. Fighters needed to refuel, as did the Galactica, but the Cylons didn't because they had magic bullshit engines. There was an overall dark tone and an unstable chain of command, the hotshot pilot got reprimanded, and Commander Adama was injured, leaving his unpopular XO in command. And finally an unpopular leader took her ship on a suicide run against the baddies to let the good guys escape.
The Movie makes everyone looks like an idiot, i'm surprised the Bad Guys even won, they would have been most likely to blow up their own ship.
0:37 Is that Photon? Are you a watcher of a Certain Mr Metokur?
These days, the only good way to experience the stars wars is through the mods for empire at war, why wait for disney to disappoint you when a more motivated fan can wow you through your nostalgia synapses for a few hours before your forced to go back to being a wagey.
Yas queen, I was hoping for this!
21:24 :clap: Yaaaaas.
Your croissant island looks very tasty.
Something that I don't see brought up much is, why did Poe get demoted? Presumably Leia signed off on the dreadnought plan before they did it otherwise those ships wouldn't have been available. Which makes her getting cold feet at the last second very odd Poe isn't responsible for the bombers being unbelievably slow. It makes no sense to blame the one person who did their job successfully for a plan falling apart.
I heard Polgara and thought of David Eddings. I blame you.
I bet I will love watching this video...but will there be a Part 2? It's been over a year and I am concerned that we may be left with a Part 1 cliffhanger forever...
Welcome back
Back on the island... LETS GOOOOOOO!😁
This is the best vid for 11pm
Our prayers have been answered!
Tara is back to save this world
True there being only a small resistance of people was a bad plot point and I think they did it intentionally to make some political points.
You getting the feeling they are setting up the deaths to show how bad the bad guys are are correct but they dont do it to show someone in the story getting inspired they do it to inspire the audience. "Embrace the revolution."
Finn acting like an idiot is to make his character into an effeminate fool so that they can later lean into the reylo.
Finns tragic backstory, his loss to Kylo and even his injuries are glossed over for jokes and they made sure to put him in a leaking fluid suit to make him look both pathetic and disgusting as fluids are a tool for directors to make characters disgusting in the eye of the audience.
We see this later with Luke.
Also you are right about things happening for no reason. Or rather they happen because the writer thinks its cool. So everything feels disjointed and slightly "off".
The crowning achievement of garbage is pink hair lady constantly talking down to Poe, again its because they think its cool. "And cool people piss on others to show how cool they are right?" "That is how I do it"
(Also I kinda belive they were channeling bitterness towards Latinos at the time because of the whole election thing.)
Okay I’m going to like this! Thanks for the upload!