Thank you so much to for all the kind and supportive comments, I’m moved by your legendary support. This isn’t the “end of the world” or anything but obviously professionally hugely disappointing. But we will try again next year and hopefully before JWST dies we can get several successful proposals in to do this. JWST is the *only* machine capable of finding Solar System like moons. But we’ll get there, together 👊
"JWST is the only machine capable of finding Solar System like moons." Are you sure that this is true? The first planet 'discovered' by radio astronomy was Jupiter. The moons of Jupiter have a distinct effect on the radio emissions of Jupiter. Here's a quote from the online Encyclopedia Britannica: "The decametre noise storms are greatly affected by the position of Jupiter’s moon Io in its orbit. For one source, events are much more likely to occur when Io is 90° from the position in which Earth, Jupiter, and Io are in a straight line (known as superior geocentric conjunction) than otherwise. The noise sources appear to be regions that lie in the line of sight toward the visible disk of the planet (unlike the nonthermal decimetric radiation)." I suspect that observations of a similar exo-moon from Earth would require a bit of luck. Earth would need to be in about the same plane as an exo-planet and exo-moon to have the best chance to catch such variations. It would be a bit like finding an exo-planet transiting in front of a star - it needs to be in the same plane that Earth orbits the Sun to make things line up nicely. Before you dismiss this idea, why don't you talk to a radio astronomer and actually do some math to model the radio emission signal strength of various combinations of a planet and an exo-moon? A bigger planet with a bigger moon might be much 'brighter' in radio wavelengths than Jupiter and Io. If you do find at least some evidence from radio astronomy that there's an exo-moon or two out there, then it should be much easier to get some time on JWST to look at it. It might also make it easier to optimize the time of the optical observations to catch the moon when it's in the best place in its orbit to make it most visible from Earth.
As a life long musician who got so tired of hearing “no” and “you need to get influencers to feature your music” that I literally became a UA-camr, just like you, to platform myself- it’s actually refreshing to hear that even in the highest arena of academic study- whenever you want to do something new: there’s rejection. Keep pushing man. We’re all with you.
@@aonghusofaolain8686 yeah, in the sense that you’re not alone; even the people you may idolise, those who inspire you, or those who you see as wildly successful still hit the same brick walls you do. He’s not saying this is good, just that it’s somewhat comforting to know that even accomplished and intelligent scientists can be ignored (I’m assuming this is why the vid was put up in the first place)
I have never commented on this channel before, but want to say thank you for showing your disappointment and explaining it in such an honest way. You are the face of science for many of us, and it is heartening to know that there are such professional people as yourself working in that field. Better luck next time! There are many of us supporting you.
Phew, I thought something real serious had happened and the channel was ending. Joking aside, I know this is a big thing for you guys. But just doing your videos and explaining the greatness of the universe to us already makes you and your organisation legendary. We all love you guys and all your work.
I find it a huge testimony to you personally that your student turned to you for emotional support and you were able to be present for it. It is my understanding that emotions are extremely dense and fast packets of compressed information so being able to feel those will move that information through your student and you and direct you. As a PhD Astrophysicist myself trained in exoplanets I am really bummed and disappointed and angry too about this!!! Thank you for keeping going!
when my first PRL was rejected, the refs said it was "Woefully inadequate"...only 4 years of work. I was crushed. My advisor, who'd seen many more referee comments that I, told me, "This is great! this a fantastic review!". He was right.
Keep pushing man! My JWST and Hubble proposals have been rejected so many times over the years and, FINALLY, this year I got JWST time! There are so many factors impacting the decision, that also includes luck, the referee being in a good mood... etc. I am currently reviewing scientific proposals for ESO and it's really hard. Most proposals are excellent, but only one out of five will eventually be accepted, simply because we have too few telescopes and too many amazing scientists like you who want to use them :)
Thank you for this talk. It’s actually really great to have examples of how to accept and take rejection positively. Many of us never had examples like this growing up and it would’ve been incredibly helpful to have had them at the time. Thank you for having the insight and the strength to turn this into a teaching moment for everyone. 🙏
I have been struggling a lot recently with relationships, hell even meeting someone. Was super upset today, to the point of tears. I know this is a completely different situation, but it's the same. Thank you Dr. Kipping. I hope you find an exo-moon soon.
Ask the Almighty to bring the right person into your life! You may find a surprise relationship you did not expect! I have had many relationships that seemed right at that moment and maybe they were the right person at that time until our growth took us into a different direction, very painful. When I asked God to bring the right person to me it was an amazing experience that did not go the way I expected but it worked out and been married 30 years since!
Funny that moons (and moonlight!) are so evocative of romance in most human cultures. I'll be thinking of you--don't lose enthusiasm for your desire. Desire is a great and vital sign of life, even when it's frustrated.
David, you show that have exactly the right mindset, which further proves you're in exactly the right place and doing things incredibly well. Keep pushing, keep searching, keep crunching those numbers, and we are all here with you waving your flags for curiosity and thoughtfulness. One small road bump or road block may lead to some incredibly unexpected directions and discoveries.
I love that you've shared this. It's so helpful for early career researchers like myself to see that people at all levels are faced with rejection, and it's not a reason to give up
Do you think the sciences are cliquish like high school? Does everybody judge colleagues based on who their principal investigator was, where they fall in key debates, what papers they got authorships on and what grants they received? What I’m asking is - how much of getting telescope time is based on merit, and how much of it is based on politics and appeasing the right egos?
Every big decision in large companies or organizations is based on all that you mentioned in the last few words of your sentence. Let's don't kid ourselves.
Ofcourse it is. There are tens of thousands of astronomists and scientists who never really break through like that. Look at Einstein and his luck, and how his work was declined for like a decade in a row. And he got through because of his wife who was really the one who managed to push it through. Also, ChOcOLaTe RaAaaiN!
Absolutely true in case of public academia/academic culture its all about bs social connections, politics aka social bs like in high school over actual technical skill crap in public sphere compared to private sphere and those who were leftover by this public culture despite actual technical or skill superiority go and find their own leftovers to make their own private academia culture and difference is night and day tbh which is also the reason why progression, quality and state of science has gone worse over the years compared to private research groups coming from long time researcher Research group like NASA is considered Tier 2 - 3 right now compared to Tier 1 in the past
I'm a genetics student and today I've been rejected of a financial opportunity for my research... This video helped out a lot on an emotional level, David! Keep voicing out your experiences, your knowledge and wisdom!
It's so cool of you to share your feelings around this. I just discovered your channel after wanting to understand the Fermi Paradox better. Amazing content ❤
Resilience is the key to success. So much of what you say can be applicable to many problems. I've been working on a personal project for some years. I got it reallt wrong last time and I had to put it down for 6 months so that I could regroup my focus. I'm now trying again, I could still fail but every time I come back better. Please don't stop this channel, I've learnt so much from you and your presenting style is fantastic.
Very disappointing to hear that not everyone feels that exo moons some of the universes most fascinating celestial bodies. Love the videos keep on pushing. You are only one successful application from a scientific breakthrough!
@@CoolWorldsLab Hear, hear - you're one of my 12 yr old nephew's favourite channels - now he understands astronomy better than his science teachers! Think of all the proteges you'll spawn who'll also quest for these answers. He just lost his mum to cancer at 43, so having channels like yours to grasp on to and distract him with the 'grand questions' are helping him keep afloat :) That's something to be proud of, whatever the setbacks.
Prof. Kipping, I've been following your channel since the beginning and you're a great inspirator for a younger generation to pursue a science career or just develop an interest in science and specifically astrophysics. I'm a teacher myself (computer science and mathematics) and the impact you have on the new generation is far bigger than you can imagine. Showing the realities of life, also in science, is an important lesson to be learned (in this case rejection). Making the quest bigger, so rejection only makes you more determined to pursue your quest, is so inspiring to see. Prof Exomoon and your team will eventually be among the scientists who will prove the actual existence of an exomoon. Determination always leads to success. Keep going, man!
Thank you for your vulnerability here. It's important for people to see especially in your field. I'm a therapist who turns out to be fascinated by space, so if I have anything to input into this situation, it's to take care of yourself to the max right now. Go gently while it hurts the most. There's lots of love for this channel and for you who provides this content, thank you for all that you do 😊
Thank you for this Professor Kipping! It is so important for young academics (not just astronomers) to understand that a lot of science is about rejection. Whether it's grant proposals or hypotheses, sometimes things just don't work out as you expect. Regardless of this outcome, you truly are one of the greatest science communicators out there, keep up the great work and stay positive :)
I'm sorry to hear about this...and especially for your assistant. Your channel was literally the best thing I discovered during the pandemic shutdowns and broadened my my mind to hunger for more discoveries. I know great things are headed your way and I hope to be here to see them.
Hey I'm not an astronomer or anything I just follow this channel because it's cool (its in the title) and whilst I am sorry to hear about the rejection of the research proposal (they might have better luck next time with a different or same space telescope in the future) I can understand why it might have been rejected. Obviously, it's very very competitive and JWST has only been in space for two years of a possible ten or twenty years but I imagine NASA is more interested in looking at potentially habitable exoplanets than exomoons. There is no evidence yet that exomoons which undoubtedly exist (due to the laws of gravitation as we understand them with regards to planet formation) can harbour life on them. Albeit none have yet been discovered. And if they don't look for them they never will but it deserves some time. Also JWST has many other exciting targets, everything from the most distant galaxies to stellar nurseries to black holes to exoplanets with atmospheres. But as the professor was keen to mention failure is often a part of ground-breaking new science and it is a part of life as well. We are starting to enter what can only be the described as a new era of scientific renaissance with regards to discoveries in astronomy. If they won't look for exomoons (for now) perhaps the same methodology or research can still be valuable elsewhere. If nothing else it is interesting and ground-breaking theory even if no evidence can be found to substantiate it yet. It took centuries to find the solution to fermats theorem. Thousands of hours to understand DNA. Many many long decades to find the first exoplanet. I am sure that exomoons will come in time.
@@garymcgaryson5039 good points, however I think that the huge problem of radiation shielding not being invented still precludes any attempt of space travel. Elon, the clown, never addresses this. Regardless of finding habitation, engineering some form of terraforming, or even attaining technology for biological stasis, radiation outside of a magnetosphere will destroy any DNA. It's like a look but don't touch situation. Mars is only a dream of billionaires who can build toys for reasons, but radiation will kill everything, and scientists know that it's still an impossible field to shield against for any prolonged time. So what I'm kind of saying is that we might as well look at things that are possible, but with the knowledge that if we can't discover the ability to shield against radiation, they're all just pictures to put on postcards. Like, a 'wish you were here' but can never go there
Regardless, you're a great credit to the cosmological community. As a sci-fi writer and an amateur astronomer myself, your channel and others in the scientific/philosophical field (like Lex Fridman) have been instrumental to me (and so many other people) in learning about the cosmos. I'm certain your place in history, as a leader in this time of unprecedented change in our knowledge of the universe is already secure, even if this one idea was rejected. Keep doing what you're doing. You can't do anything about the shortsightedness of others.
It really is a shame, but it just means a slightly longer wait until that day when there’s solid evidence of exomoons, and I’m excited that you’re going to keep pursuing that - thank you for following this line of research, it’s fantastic.
Sorry to hear this. I know you know to never give up, but I hope Ben takes this as a challenge to eventually overcome too. Regardless of one's field of study, I fervently believe these sorts of rejections should inspire us to greater heights. Best of luck to him in his future endeavours!
It took me a long time to deal with rejections in science. I still dont deal with it so well. Condolences to you both but expecially your student. I'm sure he'll bounce back and go on to great things!
I was recently job searching for medical research positions and one of the hardest things for me was learning to move past rejection. Thankfully, my partner had my back and always supported me through each application and each rejection letter. After months of persevering, I was able to secure a position at very renowned medical university, but I know for a fact I would not have been able to do it without tanking through the multitude of “no thank you”s. Its incredibly reassuring to know that I am not alone in this, and hearing it from someone I respect, admire, and revere just cements that into my mind so much more. Keep up the amazing work Dr. Kipping, JWST will eventually realize the necessity for this kind of research. It is said that attempting a task over and over again expecting the same result is naïveté; I think it makes us scientists.
Thank you for the insightful words. I’ve been going through some pretty rough academic and professional rejections this past year, really like what you said about “it’s their loss.” Just a part of life, I’m going to keep on doing my thing :)
Really sorry to hear about this setback for you and your team. I wish you luck in your next application, it would be such an amazing achievement for your team. As well as that your channel brings so much attention to astrophysics for us in the public. Thank you for everything you do here on UA-cam and for an amazing speech on dealing with rejection and staying motivated. Something everyone needs to hear Sometimes.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Your words have resonated with me and the feelings of discouragement I am currently facing in academia. You've really reassured me that it is not only okay to experience failure year after year, but it is also something to be proud of; that I am persistently putting myself in the position to fail at all. I wish you and your team all the best.
This is probably the most raw emotion I have seen in a long time. This was moving for me. Thank you for this. I have had the same rejections... but dont give up. I am squarely in your corner.
"Learning to cope with failure and not take it personally" is one of the earliest and best lessons I learned doing a BSc, and applies to my artistic life too. I love that statement. A null or negative result is still a result. You still learn something.
As a scientist, I’d like to thank you for this video. I’ve been through so many rejections that I lost track. But still fighting till the end! stay strong 💪
So sorry to hear this David. In the past few days I’ve had to close my business. Failure is hard and the mourning process is long. However, you have a supporter and viewer here. I’ve been finding your space videos very comforting recently. You have been keeping me focused on bigger things.
Thank you Dr Kipping. I've just submitted a paper for Conference having been out of academia for some years. I had long covid and it impacted on my ability to put my ideas down on paper. But I was so inspired by your "stay curious." I went ahead with the submission for this year. I've been feeling anxious ever since in case of rejection, so your video has been very timely. Thank you❤
Hi David, this video of yours have cheered me up for sure. I got two paper submissions (in another academic field, not astronomy) rejected back-to-back for the 2nd and 3rd time in a row, inspite of substantial revisions based on feedback from different reviewers. I felt so much dejected and was doubting my capabilities. But your words have put me back on track, 'you have to keep pushing, you have to keep trying'. Thanks a ton! About the exomoons, we are with you as followers of your channel and your great work. You and your colleagues working on this scientific inquiry will get there eventually!
It's really hard to get time on JWST, don't get upset about it. It doesn't mean your proposition was bad or anything like this, but there are so many things happening now with JWST that the odds were against it. So keep up with the good work, we all love your work and you're doing an amazing job to science. It's really competitive, just do not give up. Thanks for your hard work.
Keep up the hard work. I just discovered your channel and I'm just mindblown. I'm so interested in your topics but don't feel like I am intelligent enough to pursue a career in them. I am however, fascinated by them and will continue to watch always. You are opening up the minds of young bright people across such a wide audiance I don't think you understand the scale you're doing it! Thank you so much. Honestly I started watching these because I lost my fiance 7 years ago and miss her every day and I always wondered if I would ever be able to see her again. I know this is extremely improbable but I love dreaming about it and you give me that oppertunity.
Wow, thanks so much for sharing this moment of vulnerability! I’m an electrical engineering professor, and I know the shock of opening a letter from a sponsor about a proposal that I thought absolutely knocked the ball out of the park, but the review committee didn’t see it that way. It is very hard to stay positive in that moment. The temptation is to think that there is something wrong with the sponsor, or something wrong with me as a proposer, but neither one is true, the proposal is just not a good match for that sponsor at that time. Thanks for the quality of the astronomy videos you produce, that allow us to peer over your shoulder as you do cutting edge science!
Just another stepping stone on your way to bigger and better things David. No one likes being shot down but knowing you through YT here for many years as well as through your scientific publications, you’ll be a great inspiration for your student Ben on how to pick up the pieces and keep trying! I know I’ll be here to watch you succeed 😊
The whole concept of exoplanet moons is something I never even thought of. Thanks for expanding my thoughts into that realm. So bummed it got denied. Thanks for your channel, I have learned so much through your platform!
Handling such disappointment with such clarity, and not being afraid to share that, whilst perhaps feeling vulnerable, is a great success, and something I will take on board in my own life, and something I wish I saw more of in life, thank you for sharing.
You're an amazing human Dr Kippling and you lead a great group! What you are doing with this channel is amazing.. Not many people can be as objective as you aspire to be.. I feel privileged to be able to watch your channel for free. Cheers, TONs of people think you are a pioneer
I’ve been following Cool Worlds since the pandemic as I picked up amateur astronomy being stuck at home. I have found the content original, stylized, eye-opening and calming. David and team are the next generation of science communicators. I was recently laid off after 10+ years at an asset management firm and can relate to this feeling of rejection. You have to force yourself to stay upbeat with positive affirmations. Mine is “Better, not bitter” - I can hear this same spirit here. Kudos for recording it shortly after the news broke, that’s tough but you handled it well. This is just a minor detour in your journey. Know that your work has a positive impact on the lives of others and, ultimately, our species. I rarely post personal comments on any form of social media (it’s the data scientist in me) but I felt compelled to step out of the veil here. Best of luck and keep it up.
I'm a long-time admirer of your channel and the content you're providing. I deeply admire your poise and reasonable explanation of what has happened, here. I understand that the competition for JWST time must be super fierce. I wish you luck in your future proposals.
I rarely comment on any videos, but this upload deserves it. I absolutely love how you have taken a scientific channel and truned it into so kuch more. This is such a lige lesson that everyone needs to hear. Thank you for your time and your uploads!
Sorry to hear about this setback, just know that there are so many of us out here who really do appreciate and value what you do. Your channel is amazing, and you are one of my favorite science UA-camrs to watch. Thank you for everything you do
I don't have professional credentials in astrophysics, just a lifelong fascination and independent studies! Your channel sparked a rush of curiosity in my brain in the last year or so. I find you, just as a human being, extremely sincere and I relate very much to your genuine love of these science topics and especially to the depth of your curiosity. We both are stay-awake-wonderers about the BIG questions. It's nice to come across a kindred spirit every once in a while! It goes without saying you're a brilliant scientist, but beyond that you're also an incredibly believable, likable, effective science communicator and storyteller. It's so incredibly critical that people like you are out there explaining (what can often be) ridiculously complex concepts, in a way that's carefully broken down into a narrative that gives non-scientists a real opportunity to grasp some of this stuff! I cannot possibly express my admiration for what you and your team are bring forward to the masses with this wonderfully educational channel. I may be a bit biased, as this is my favorite academic subject outside my profession, but I love what you do here. I was going to say something like "don't be discouraged... blah, blah, blah..." but I thought better of it. I realized I am fairly certain you will bounce back quite well, quite soon. Because there's still SO MUCH to learn and so much to teach... I simply do not see a reality where someone like you is down for very long! Curiosity will always reach in and pull people like you and me upright and back to it in no time! Thank you again for everything! You're truly making a difference! ❤❤❤
Don’t give up! I feel like as the study & research into exomoons grows that you’ll get another shot at it, and down the road, knowing you’ve played a big part in leading the charge in this field, it’ll be bittersweet. No matter what you’ll always have me as a subscriber because Cool Worlds is the best. 😊✌🏼
Crazy, this is such a unique and necessary endeavor. In the music business I too have learned to cope with rejection. This seems to fall into the category of pure bad luck. Another good strategy is to always remember that people make bad/wrong decisions all the time, because they are not perfect. Because your goal is driven by more than passion, the question seems less a matter of if, then when. Hang in there team! I’m rooting for you, and for the breakthrough discovery of an exomoon!
“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.” Samuel Beckett. Got this wrapped around my wrist to remind me, how failure isn't failure unless, like you said, we stop. Best of luck to you and your crew, Cool Worlds, love this channel and everything you guys work so hard to do and share with us. Thank you. 🙌❤
I’m sure you know this but that passage from Beckett goes on to say “Fail worse again. Still worse again. Til sick for good. Throw up for good.” Beckett seemed to be saying that everything in life is nothing but failure.
Absolutely it is their loss. I'm very interested in astrobiology and from that perspective getting a solid detection of an exomoon really has huge astrobiological implications. From the importance of moons allowing for life to form in other worlds to even the possibility of life supporting moons in general. Thank you for sharing and remember that it's possible, you must keep trying for that reason alone.
Thank you for sharing this. I am going through a similar thing in my life. I am in IT Security so it's kinda of a science. I needed to hear this even though I have been doing this work for 26 years, it's great to be reminded that this is part of the process. There are going to be "wins" in our future, just not this time. 😊
As someone who is not a physicist or astronomer, I really appreciate the way you process this and shared your experience. It’s something I can use on how to deal with rejection in my own personal endeavors.
Im so sorry david. We would love to learn about distant exomoons. They could very well carry life. I believe finding life would be a turning point for us.
not quite sure. it would be quite interesting, but i can't see how the existence of aliens would change my daily life. I mean they would probably so far away that we can never interact with them.
@@23RaySan The existence of another intelligent civilization would not change our lives, but it would change our perception of how we see the universe. We would finally have an answer to the question, "Are we alone in the universe?" Remember, the absence of evidence is not evidence
@@23RaySan who knows.. I dont mean exactly a turning point in our life, like u and me, but a turning point for the future of the human species in general. Maybe there is something we can learn from another alien species. I know it sound 99% sci fi, but we will never really know until we see it. Some scientists believe life can spark off a gas giant. Like titan, enceladus europa. Finding life would at LEAST create a job for someone.. Idk.. I love the thought of life outside of earth. I lose sleep sometimes just thinking about it.
So sorry to hear that David. I guess being on the cutting edge of science means there are sometimes obstacles along the way. But I’m sure that’s just what they are - obstacles. And I know that in due time the Cool Worlds team will be the first to confirm an exo moon.
I'm so sorry to hear they didn't give you time. You're right that its their loss! Thank you so much for posting this video and being so open and honest. I'm right at the start of my career and to hear this video from someone I really look up to really helps. Stay positive and never give up!💫
I knew as soon as I saw the title. Sorry to you and the team, but all of you are phenomenal. Keep trekking on - the work you all do is so important and as a hobbyist I'm rooting for your success! ❤
It's really great to see the human side of you and your team. Your videos are some of the most interesting videos I've seen on UA-cam. I tell people about your channel and how your videos have some of the highest amount of independent research on all of UA-cam. The quality and depth of the knowledge I gain from your videos surpasses most videos I go through on a daily basis. I applaud you and Ben and the rest of your team for doing the best you can to get some JWST time. Sad that you didn't get it but you said it best, that's just how it goes sometimes. Perseverance is certainly key to success in the long run and I can see that you guys have that in spades. I would love to know the criticisms that the JWST team responded back with, it would give us as your followers some more insight into how hard this stuff really is and how it impacts the field in general. Thank you for consistently making amazing content on here and I have no doubt you will eventually get in there!
I'm so sorry to hear that your proposal was rejected; as an artist, I am intimately familiar with what rejection feels like. But "keep pushing, keep going" is absolutely the right attitude to have and I'm so glad you're promoting that. Even if you don't personally manage to put exomoons "on the radar" in the field of astronomy, someday SOMEONE will, and whoever it is will undoubtedly be standing on the shoulders of the work you and your students are doing. I appreciate the way you are able to communicate in such a positive way while being very obviously in the depths of raw grief over the rejection, but as you said, it's an important teaching moment, and you're doing great work. Persevere!
Keep pushing. I get rejected almost all the times I submit an article. I think it maybe worst to get rejected at the proposal, in this case, because of resources. I had a friend that got rejected twice at his doctorate proposal. He got really depressed for more than one year. At the second time, I kept motivating him, and I think I succeeded in helping him to keep trying. The key is persistance, never giving up. You all got this. I'm not an astronomer, but I think that proposal is a valid objective. Keep up the good work! Good luck!
Being ahead of your time is never easy, but your seemingly infatigable commitment to staying true to your vision is very inspirational, and I hope things eventually go your way. PS small suggestion for a possible future video. What are the pros and cons with regards to the potential for life on a moon? I imagine one pro would be a circadian rhythm, and one negative might be the lack of a sustainable atmosphere. Curious on your thoughts. PPS Your thoughts on dealing with rejection is incredibly valuable for everyone trying to find their way in a competitive world. I've been working on a science fiction book for the last three years and it's getting pretty close to completion. I am feeling nervous about all the rejection I know I am about to suffer when I start the process of trying to find an agent and publisher. I think writing it was probably the easy part Compared to the pain of rejection I'm almost guaranteed to suffer now that it's almost done.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again here. My primary reason for using this platform is because of channels like this one. I enjoy watching these space videos (I also watch nature documentaries too: ocean and land animals...) and at the same time I'm learning new things. Professor Kipping, I understand your disappointment. Please don't let it bring you down. You are doing an exceptional job by providing us your videos, and for free too! My thanks for your hard work. Cheers! Take care. ❤🎉❤🎉❤
You are a FANTASTIC narrator and this site is wonderful for educating the audience. I'm amazed that the "people that matter" that have seen this site haven't insisted on your request being accepted. I'm glad you went public because though everyone is likely "deserving" those that educate the public along with expanding science are more deserving. God bless you for all your work on this site.
Hey Ben, Daniel, Diana, Joheen, Zirui, Avishi, Andrew, Madison, and of course David - I know this is news fresh in this exact moment - it speaks volumes to each and everyone of you, and the team's character, how you move forward after rejection/denial. It will suck initially early on while the wound is fresh, and there's nothing wrong with feeling that emotion. Cool Worlds Lab is a group of extremely talented individuals who are able to not only continue to push the scientific envelope in real time, but also be a beacon for the science curious public (such as myself) that excites us in such a way that we can't help but go, "Oh wow, that was cool (worlds) AF!" Keep on keeping on team, we love you!
I LOVE following the work you and your lab do. I hope you, Ben, and the rest of your team take some time to be kind to yourselves this week. Get back to the exomoon quest next week 💜
We appreciate the amazing work you guys do: the science, the insights, the imagination and the presentation of it all. We know you'll keep on keeping on because of the dedication you evince. Thank you
As bit of a balm to you and your team, know that you have ignited a deep sense of awe in so many. I’m retired so it might be a little late for me to join the ranks of astrophysicists, but many an impressionable young student no doubt has changed careers thanks to your team of “geeks.” I mean geek as an aspirational term.
This video is extremely inspiring! I love the work you do, and what everyone at cool worlds does! Keep going, keep trying, you’ve certainly inspired me to do the same!
Rejection is basically part of life, been devouring your videos for the past few days, Hope you guys get over this very fast and work on the next thing and achieve success in other things, even though I won't call this rejection a failure
I don't know if you can, but I'd love a "theoretically had they said yes" video going over if you had got the go ahead on this project, exactly what this process is like and what you'd hope to find and why exo-moons! Kinda like your other storytelling videos on the universe 🍻
You guys are great and definitely deserve the credit, exo moons are such a new and interesting leap in science! Your day will come guys keep up the research!
Thank you for sharing, this learning of life! Keep on, they're sure missing out! You're Chanel, your videos, your way of approaching, exploring and explaining things is absolutely the best!
Thanks for sharing David, our no’s are as important as our yes’s. how we deal with rejection and negatives can be what makes us more determined. Keep at it Professor your students and viewers need you. Once again, thank you for your insights.
Sorry to hear of your disappointment, that would have been an amazing discovery. JWST no doubt boasts stiff competition for time. You do a great job; you're one of my favorite science channels. Thanks for keeping up the good work!
I'm so thankful and happy for you and your student that you both have something you're so passionate about... They can devastate you on such a level. a driving purpose that gives your life meaning and helps propel you forward. Most of the people on Earth never have a single thing like that in their entire lives. Nothing to dedicate their time and energy towards, nothing to help them grow and struggle as a person so that they can become better for themselves and for their loved ones. I am sorry that it happened this way... But I'm so glad there are people like you out there that can be so passionate and so devastated by something like this. I can assure you as someone who has been both... Being passionate and devastated is amazing and gives motivation going forward. Without something like that in your life... That is true despair.
Sorry to hear that David. You do wonders in the Astronomy education and conveying the scientific mindset to so many people on this channel. As a Science teacher myself, having an inspirational educator as yourself makes me want to keep going and never give up.
please never give up, my favourite teachers were the science ones because of their passion, even though science was never going to be my thing (however, I did get a double B, and I'll always be the 'I fkn love science' guy, and will always protect the nerds, took many hits for them back at school, and yes we can call them nerds regardless of what the latest terms are, because I know nobody asked them if the term nerd is offensive, it's like why would anyone give a fuck, because nerd really means someone who is so focussed on something, and that's a blessing. Fight for the nerds, everywhere
So I came across your channel recently. I have always loved the idea of trying to explore moons. Do you think JWST has the resolution to see moons around these candidates? Being a Star Wars fan I lean into the thought that moons could be a habitable option. I hope you get your chance soon.
I heard the accept rate was closer to 1 in 10. In any case, I feel for you. It seems like they are going more for the 'deep field'/'early universe' type of proposals at the moment.
No failure when you know your right. You will get to prove and find the first exo moons! Cool Worlds lab sparked off my inner physicist journey I know it’s not JWST time but thank you for sparking my interest and enthusiasm from gravitational lenses to exo moons and more. Persistence is key and never let hope die.
I really respect you put this on right away, not after having time to sugarcoat it and let it sink in. That you're able to recover and immediately begin moving on to the next challenge without it bogging you down is a great lesson and example for anyone still trying to fight their fight. If it was easy- anyone would do it. Good luck to you guys and keep on trucking
Ahh man! I knew exactly what this was going to be when I saw the title. Was really rooting for you to get accepted with your JWST proposal! Love the purpose you all serve and the work you put in, not only in the scientific endeavour to make new, important discoveries but your efforts to distill some of that info for average Jake's like me to learn about and enjoy! Keep moving forward!!
Thank you so much to for all the kind and supportive comments, I’m moved by your legendary support. This isn’t the “end of the world” or anything but obviously professionally hugely disappointing. But we will try again next year and hopefully before JWST dies we can get several successful proposals in to do this. JWST is the *only* machine capable of finding Solar System like moons. But we’ll get there, together 👊
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Oh, man that hurts! But don't give up, new opportunities will arise and you WILL find those moons one day soon!! Hang in there team!!
Hey, success is just a culmination of preceding failures. Keep trying.
Man that hurts me and it wasn't my time
"JWST is the only machine capable of finding Solar System like moons."
Are you sure that this is true?
The first planet 'discovered' by radio astronomy was Jupiter.
The moons of Jupiter have a distinct effect on the radio emissions of Jupiter.
Here's a quote from the online Encyclopedia Britannica:
"The decametre noise storms are greatly affected by the position of Jupiter’s moon Io in its orbit. For one source, events are much more likely to occur when Io is 90° from the position in which Earth, Jupiter, and Io are in a straight line (known as superior geocentric conjunction) than otherwise. The noise sources appear to be regions that lie in the line of sight toward the visible disk of the planet (unlike the nonthermal decimetric radiation)."
I suspect that observations of a similar exo-moon from Earth would require a bit of luck. Earth would need to be in about the same plane as an exo-planet and exo-moon to have the best chance to catch such variations. It would be a bit like finding an exo-planet transiting in front of a star - it needs to be in the same plane that Earth orbits the Sun to make things line up nicely.
Before you dismiss this idea, why don't you talk to a radio astronomer and actually do some math to model the radio emission signal strength of various combinations of a planet and an exo-moon? A bigger planet with a bigger moon might be much 'brighter' in radio wavelengths than Jupiter and Io.
If you do find at least some evidence from radio astronomy that there's an exo-moon or two out there, then it should be much easier to get some time on JWST to look at it. It might also make it easier to optimize the time of the optical observations to catch the moon when it's in the best place in its orbit to make it most visible from Earth.
As a life long musician who got so tired of hearing “no” and “you need to get influencers to feature your music” that I literally became a UA-camr, just like you, to platform myself- it’s actually refreshing to hear that even in the highest arena of academic study- whenever you want to do something new: there’s rejection. Keep pushing man. We’re all with you.
Kind words mate and I really hope everyone gets to hear your music. Cheers !!
Just turn trans and chop your cockle off and you'll blow up
Refreshing?
@@aonghusofaolain8686 yeah, in the sense that you’re not alone; even the people you may idolise, those who inspire you, or those who you see as wildly successful still hit the same brick walls you do. He’s not saying this is good, just that it’s somewhat comforting to know that even accomplished and intelligent scientists can be ignored (I’m assuming this is why the vid was put up in the first place)
I searched your channel for your music, youve got reviews of movies. You should post your own music.
I have never commented on this channel before, but want to say thank you for showing your disappointment and explaining it in such an honest way. You are the face of science for many of us, and it is heartening to know that there are such professional people as yourself working in that field. Better luck next time! There are many of us supporting you.
Phew, I thought something real serious had happened and the channel was ending. Joking aside, I know this is a big thing for you guys. But just doing your videos and explaining the greatness of the universe to us already makes you and your organisation legendary. We all love you guys and all your work.
Sorry man, you guys do a hell of a job and I'm glad for everything you do for us viewers here on UA-cam.
Absolutely agree~💯%
God bless I know right I feel like I should be paying a subscription price lol.
Thanks I sincerely appreciate all the love here on YT
I find it a huge testimony to you personally that your student turned to you for emotional support and you were able to be present for it. It is my understanding that emotions are extremely dense and fast packets of compressed information so being able to feel those will move that information through your student and you and direct you. As a PhD Astrophysicist myself trained in exoplanets I am really bummed and disappointed and angry too about this!!! Thank you for keeping going!
Aw thanks so much Megan. Yes Ben’s face was really down when he knocked my door and I think have someone to share that disappointment with helps.
when my first PRL was rejected, the refs said it was "Woefully inadequate"...only 4 years of work. I was crushed. My advisor, who'd seen many more referee comments that I, told me, "This is great! this a fantastic review!". He was right.
Keep pushing man! My JWST and Hubble proposals have been rejected so many times over the years and, FINALLY, this year I got JWST time! There are so many factors impacting the decision, that also includes luck, the referee being in a good mood... etc. I am currently reviewing scientific proposals for ESO and it's really hard. Most proposals are excellent, but only one out of five will eventually be accepted, simply because we have too few telescopes and too many amazing scientists like you who want to use them :)
Thank you for this talk. It’s actually really great to have examples of how to accept and take rejection positively. Many of us never had examples like this growing up and it would’ve been incredibly helpful to have had them at the time. Thank you for having the insight and the strength to turn this into a teaching moment for everyone. 🙏
I have been struggling a lot recently with relationships, hell even meeting someone. Was super upset today, to the point of tears. I know this is a completely different situation, but it's the same. Thank you Dr. Kipping. I hope you find an exo-moon soon.
Hang in there
Ask the Almighty to bring the right person into your life! You may find a surprise relationship you did not expect! I have had many relationships that seemed right at that moment and maybe they were the right person at that time until our growth took us into a different direction, very painful. When I asked God to bring the right person to me it was an amazing experience that did not go the way I expected but it worked out and been married 30 years since!
Funny that moons (and moonlight!) are so evocative of romance in most human cultures. I'll be thinking of you--don't lose enthusiasm for your desire. Desire is a great and vital sign of life, even when it's frustrated.
Same man same....hang in there. Its rough but a batting average of 3/10 is high in dating.
David, you show that have exactly the right mindset, which further proves you're in exactly the right place and doing things incredibly well. Keep pushing, keep searching, keep crunching those numbers, and we are all here with you waving your flags for curiosity and thoughtfulness. One small road bump or road block may lead to some incredibly unexpected directions and discoveries.
I love that you've shared this. It's so helpful for early career researchers like myself to see that people at all levels are faced with rejection, and it's not a reason to give up
I needed to hear this right now in life. Thank you for taking the time to share and inspire.
Do you think the sciences are cliquish like high school? Does everybody judge colleagues based on who their principal investigator was, where they fall in key debates, what papers they got authorships on and what grants they received?
What I’m asking is - how much of getting telescope time is based on merit, and how much of it is based on politics and appeasing the right egos?
Every big decision in large companies or organizations is based on all that you mentioned in the last few words of your sentence. Let's don't kid ourselves.
Ofcourse it is. There are tens of thousands of astronomists and scientists who never really break through like that. Look at Einstein and his luck, and how his work was declined for like a decade in a row. And he got through because of his wife who was really the one who managed to push it through.
Also, ChOcOLaTe RaAaaiN!
Huh, TayZonday and I watch the same nerdy youtube channels. Who woulda figured?
Absolutely true in case of public academia/academic culture its all about bs social connections, politics aka social bs like in high school over actual technical skill crap in public sphere compared to private sphere and those who were leftover by this public culture despite actual technical or skill superiority go and find their own leftovers to make their own private academia culture and difference is night and day tbh which is also the reason why progression, quality and state of science has gone worse over the years compared to private research groups coming from long time researcher
Research group like NASA is considered Tier 2 - 3 right now compared to Tier 1 in the past
90% ego 10% merit
I'm a genetics student and today I've been rejected of a financial opportunity for my research... This video helped out a lot on an emotional level, David! Keep voicing out your experiences, your knowledge and wisdom!
Youre a reject dude
It's so cool of you to share your feelings around this. I just discovered your channel after wanting to understand the Fermi Paradox better. Amazing content ❤
Resilience is the key to success. So much of what you say can be applicable to many problems. I've been working on a personal project for some years. I got it reallt wrong last time and I had to put it down for 6 months so that I could regroup my focus. I'm now trying again, I could still fail but every time I come back better. Please don't stop this channel, I've learnt so much from you and your presenting style is fantastic.
Very disappointing to hear that not everyone feels that exo moons some of the universes most fascinating celestial bodies. Love the videos keep on pushing. You are only one successful application from a scientific breakthrough!
Especially because exomoons could harbor life!
Love that mindset
@@CoolWorldsLab Your videos have inspired me to hopefully study astrophysics in university next year thank you for all you have done!
@@CoolWorldsLab Hear, hear - you're one of my 12 yr old nephew's favourite channels - now he understands astronomy better than his science teachers! Think of all the proteges you'll spawn who'll also quest for these answers. He just lost his mum to cancer at 43, so having channels like yours to grasp on to and distract him with the 'grand questions' are helping him keep afloat :) That's something to be proud of, whatever the setbacks.
Prof. Kipping, I've been following your channel since the beginning and you're a great inspirator for a younger generation to pursue a science career or just develop an interest in science and specifically astrophysics. I'm a teacher myself (computer science and mathematics) and the impact you have on the new generation is far bigger than you can imagine. Showing the realities of life, also in science, is an important lesson to be learned (in this case rejection). Making the quest bigger, so rejection only makes you more determined to pursue your quest, is so inspiring to see. Prof Exomoon and your team will eventually be among the scientists who will prove the actual existence of an exomoon. Determination always leads to success. Keep going, man!
Thank you for your vulnerability here. It's important for people to see especially in your field. I'm a therapist who turns out to be fascinated by space, so if I have anything to input into this situation, it's to take care of yourself to the max right now. Go gently while it hurts the most. There's lots of love for this channel and for you who provides this content, thank you for all that you do 😊
Sorry for earlier comments.
Cheers
Thank you so much for sharing your mind and mindset with us. Keep on pushing! Much love!
Thank you for this Professor Kipping! It is so important for young academics (not just astronomers) to understand that a lot of science is about rejection. Whether it's grant proposals or hypotheses, sometimes things just don't work out as you expect. Regardless of this outcome, you truly are one of the greatest science communicators out there, keep up the great work and stay positive :)
I'm sorry to hear about this...and especially for your assistant. Your channel was literally the best thing I discovered during the pandemic shutdowns and broadened my my mind to hunger for more discoveries. I know great things are headed your way and I hope to be here to see them.
Hey I'm not an astronomer or anything I just follow this channel because it's cool (its in the title) and whilst I am sorry to hear about the rejection of the research proposal (they might have better luck next time with a different or same space telescope in the future) I can understand why it might have been rejected. Obviously, it's very very competitive and JWST has only been in space for two years of a possible ten or twenty years but I imagine NASA is more interested in looking at potentially habitable exoplanets than exomoons. There is no evidence yet that exomoons which undoubtedly exist (due to the laws of gravitation as we understand them with regards to planet formation) can harbour life on them. Albeit none have yet been discovered. And if they don't look for them they never will but it deserves some time. Also JWST has many other exciting targets, everything from the most distant galaxies to stellar nurseries to black holes to exoplanets with atmospheres. But as the professor was keen to mention failure is often a part of ground-breaking new science and it is a part of life as well. We are starting to enter what can only be the described as a new era of scientific renaissance with regards to discoveries in astronomy. If they won't look for exomoons (for now) perhaps the same methodology or research can still be valuable elsewhere. If nothing else it is interesting and ground-breaking theory even if no evidence can be found to substantiate it yet. It took centuries to find the solution to fermats theorem. Thousands of hours to understand DNA. Many many long decades to find the first exoplanet. I am sure that exomoons will come in time.
@@garymcgaryson5039 good points, however I think that the huge problem of radiation shielding not being invented still precludes any attempt of space travel. Elon, the clown, never addresses this. Regardless of finding habitation, engineering some form of terraforming, or even attaining technology for biological stasis, radiation outside of a magnetosphere will destroy any DNA.
It's like a look but don't touch situation. Mars is only a dream of billionaires who can build toys for reasons, but radiation will kill everything, and scientists know that it's still an impossible field to shield against for any prolonged time.
So what I'm kind of saying is that we might as well look at things that are possible, but with the knowledge that if we can't discover the ability to shield against radiation, they're all just pictures to put on postcards. Like, a 'wish you were here' but can never go there
Regardless, you're a great credit to the cosmological community. As a sci-fi writer and an amateur astronomer myself, your channel and others in the scientific/philosophical field (like Lex Fridman) have been instrumental to me (and so many other people) in learning about the cosmos. I'm certain your place in history, as a leader in this time of unprecedented change in our knowledge of the universe is already secure, even if this one idea was rejected. Keep doing what you're doing. You can't do anything about the shortsightedness of others.
It really is a shame, but it just means a slightly longer wait until that day when there’s solid evidence of exomoons, and I’m excited that you’re going to keep pursuing that - thank you for following this line of research, it’s fantastic.
Sorry to hear this. I know you know to never give up, but I hope Ben takes this as a challenge to eventually overcome too. Regardless of one's field of study, I fervently believe these sorts of rejections should inspire us to greater heights. Best of luck to him in his future endeavours!
It took me a long time to deal with rejections in science. I still dont deal with it so well. Condolences to you both but expecially your student. I'm sure he'll bounce back and go on to great things!
I was recently job searching for medical research positions and one of the hardest things for me was learning to move past rejection. Thankfully, my partner had my back and always supported me through each application and each rejection letter. After months of persevering, I was able to secure a position at very renowned medical university, but I know for a fact I would not have been able to do it without tanking through the multitude of “no thank you”s. Its incredibly reassuring to know that I am not alone in this, and hearing it from someone I respect, admire, and revere just cements that into my mind so much more. Keep up the amazing work Dr. Kipping, JWST will eventually realize the necessity for this kind of research. It is said that attempting a task over and over again expecting the same result is naïveté; I think it makes us scientists.
Thank you for the insightful words. I’ve been going through some pretty rough academic and professional rejections this past year, really like what you said about “it’s their loss.” Just a part of life, I’m going to keep on doing my thing :)
Really sorry to hear about this setback for you and your team. I wish you luck in your next application, it would be such an amazing achievement for your team. As well as that your channel brings so much attention to astrophysics for us in the public. Thank you for everything you do here on UA-cam and for an amazing speech on dealing with rejection and staying motivated. Something everyone needs to hear Sometimes.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Your words have resonated with me and the feelings of discouragement I am currently facing in academia. You've really reassured me that it is not only okay to experience failure year after year, but it is also something to be proud of; that I am persistently putting myself in the position to fail at all. I wish you and your team all the best.
This is probably the most raw emotion I have seen in a long time. This was moving for me. Thank you for this. I have had the same rejections... but dont give up. I am squarely in your corner.
"Learning to cope with failure and not take it personally" is one of the earliest and best lessons I learned doing a BSc, and applies to my artistic life too. I love that statement.
A null or negative result is still a result. You still learn something.
As a scientist, I’d like to thank you for this video. I’ve been through so many rejections that I lost track. But still fighting till the end! stay strong 💪
So sorry to hear this David. In the past few days I’ve had to close my business. Failure is hard and the mourning process is long.
However, you have a supporter and viewer here. I’ve been finding your space videos very comforting recently. You have been keeping me focused on bigger things.
Fear of rejection has held me back throughout my whole life so it’s lovely to see how people can actually deal with this and use it positively.
Thank you Dr Kipping. I've just submitted a paper for Conference having been out of academia for some years. I had long covid and it impacted on my ability to put my ideas down on paper. But I was so inspired by your "stay curious." I went ahead with the submission for this year. I've been feeling anxious ever since in case of rejection, so your video has been very timely.
Thank you❤
Hi David, this video of yours have cheered me up for sure. I got two paper submissions (in another academic field, not astronomy) rejected back-to-back for the 2nd and 3rd time in a row, inspite of substantial revisions based on feedback from different reviewers. I felt so much dejected and was doubting my capabilities. But your words have put me back on track, 'you have to keep pushing, you have to keep trying'. Thanks a ton! About the exomoons, we are with you as followers of your channel and your great work. You and your colleagues working on this scientific inquiry will get there eventually!
It's really hard to get time on JWST, don't get upset about it. It doesn't mean your proposition was bad or anything like this, but there are so many things happening now with JWST that the odds were against it. So keep up with the good work, we all love your work and you're doing an amazing job to science. It's really competitive, just do not give up. Thanks for your hard work.
That's what I'm thinking.
Even though this got denied, whatever the JWST will end up bringing will still be incredibly amazing anyways
Can it be re-submitted eventually or is it a permanent no?
@@WildWombats he said he will retry next year in the comment section.
Keep up the hard work. I just discovered your channel and I'm just mindblown. I'm so interested in your topics but don't feel like I am intelligent enough to pursue a career in them. I am however, fascinated by them and will continue to watch always. You are opening up the minds of young bright people across such a wide audiance I don't think you understand the scale you're doing it! Thank you so much. Honestly I started watching these because I lost my fiance 7 years ago and miss her every day and I always wondered if I would ever be able to see her again. I know this is extremely improbable but I love dreaming about it and you give me that oppertunity.
Wow, thanks so much for sharing this moment of vulnerability! I’m an electrical engineering professor, and I know the shock of opening a letter from a sponsor about a proposal that I thought absolutely knocked the ball out of the park, but the review committee didn’t see it that way. It is very hard to stay positive in that moment. The temptation is to think that there is something wrong with the sponsor, or something wrong with me as a proposer, but neither one is true, the proposal is just not a good match for that sponsor at that time. Thanks for the quality of the astronomy videos you produce, that allow us to peer over your shoulder as you do cutting edge science!
Just another stepping stone on your way to bigger and better things David. No one likes being shot down but knowing you through YT here for many years as well as through your scientific publications, you’ll be a great inspiration for your student Ben on how to pick up the pieces and keep trying! I know I’ll be here to watch you succeed 😊
The whole concept of exoplanet moons is something I never even thought of. Thanks for expanding my thoughts into that realm. So bummed it got denied. Thanks for your channel, I have learned so much through your platform!
Handling such disappointment with such clarity, and not being afraid to share that, whilst perhaps feeling vulnerable, is a great success, and something I will take on board in my own life, and something I wish I saw more of in life, thank you for sharing.
Keep pushing sir. Your channel is a amazing. I’ve actually learnt so much from you and your channel. I’m sure future proposals will defo be accepted.
You're an amazing human Dr Kippling and you lead a great group! What you are doing with this channel is amazing.. Not many people can be as objective as you aspire to be.. I feel privileged to be able to watch your channel for free. Cheers, TONs of people think you are a pioneer
Hear Hear !!!
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Dang dude. Sorry this happened, and I hope things get better for you Ben, and everyone else on the cool worlds team.
I’ve been following Cool Worlds since the pandemic as I picked up amateur astronomy being stuck at home. I have found the content original, stylized, eye-opening and calming. David and team are the next generation of science communicators. I was recently laid off after 10+ years at an asset management firm and can relate to this feeling of rejection. You have to force yourself to stay upbeat with positive affirmations. Mine is “Better, not bitter” - I can hear this same spirit here. Kudos for recording it shortly after the news broke, that’s tough but you handled it well. This is just a minor detour in your journey. Know that your work has a positive impact on the lives of others and, ultimately, our species.
I rarely post personal comments on any form of social media (it’s the data scientist in me) but I felt compelled to step out of the veil here. Best of luck and keep it up.
I'm a long-time admirer of your channel and the content you're providing. I deeply admire your poise and reasonable explanation of what has happened, here. I understand that the competition for JWST time must be super fierce. I wish you luck in your future proposals.
I rarely comment on any videos, but this upload deserves it. I absolutely love how you have taken a scientific channel and truned it into so kuch more. This is such a lige lesson that everyone needs to hear. Thank you for your time and your uploads!
Sorry to hear about this setback, just know that there are so many of us out here who really do appreciate and value what you do. Your channel is amazing, and you are one of my favorite science UA-camrs to watch. Thank you for everything you do
I don't have professional credentials in astrophysics, just a lifelong fascination and independent studies! Your channel sparked a rush of curiosity in my brain in the last year or so. I find you, just as a human being, extremely sincere and I relate very much to your genuine love of these science topics and especially to the depth of your curiosity. We both are stay-awake-wonderers about the BIG questions. It's nice to come across a kindred spirit every once in a while! It goes without saying you're a brilliant scientist, but beyond that you're also an incredibly believable, likable, effective science communicator and storyteller. It's so incredibly critical that people like you are out there explaining (what can often be) ridiculously complex concepts, in a way that's carefully broken down into a narrative that gives non-scientists a real opportunity to grasp some of this stuff!
I cannot possibly express my admiration for what you and your team are bring forward to the masses with this wonderfully educational channel. I may be a bit biased, as this is my favorite academic subject outside my profession, but I love what you do here. I was going to say something like "don't be discouraged... blah, blah, blah..." but I thought better of it. I realized I am fairly certain you will bounce back quite well, quite soon. Because there's still SO MUCH to learn and so much to teach... I simply do not see a reality where someone like you is down for very long! Curiosity will always reach in and pull people like you and me upright and back to it in no time!
Thank you again for everything! You're truly making a difference! ❤❤❤
Don’t give up! I feel like as the study & research into exomoons grows that you’ll get another shot at it, and down the road, knowing you’ve played a big part in leading the charge in this field, it’ll be bittersweet. No matter what you’ll always have me as a subscriber because Cool Worlds is the best. 😊✌🏼
Crazy, this is such a unique and necessary endeavor. In the music business I too have learned to cope with rejection. This seems to fall into the category of pure bad luck. Another good strategy is to always remember that people make bad/wrong decisions all the time, because they are not perfect. Because your goal is driven by more than passion, the question seems less a matter of if, then when. Hang in there team! I’m rooting for you, and for the breakthrough discovery of an exomoon!
“Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.” Samuel Beckett. Got this wrapped around my wrist to remind me, how failure isn't failure unless, like you said, we stop. Best of luck to you and your crew, Cool Worlds, love this channel and everything you guys work so hard to do and share with us. Thank you. 🙌❤
I’m sure you know this but that passage from Beckett goes on to say “Fail worse again. Still worse again. Til sick for good. Throw up for good.” Beckett seemed to be saying that everything in life is nothing but failure.
Absolutely it is their loss. I'm very interested in astrobiology and from that perspective getting a solid detection of an exomoon really has huge astrobiological implications. From the importance of moons allowing for life to form in other worlds to even the possibility of life supporting moons in general. Thank you for sharing and remember that it's possible, you must keep trying for that reason alone.
Thank you for sharing this. I am going through a similar thing in my life. I am in IT Security so it's kinda of a science. I needed to hear this even though I have been doing this work for 26 years, it's great to be reminded that this is part of the process. There are going to be "wins" in our future, just not this time. 😊
As someone who is not a physicist or astronomer, I really appreciate the way you process this and shared your experience. It’s something I can use on how to deal with rejection in my own personal endeavors.
Im so sorry david. We would love to learn about distant exomoons. They could very well carry life. I believe finding life would be a turning point for us.
not quite sure. it would be quite interesting, but i can't see how the existence of aliens would change my daily life. I mean they would probably so far away that we can never interact with them.
@@23RaySan The existence of another intelligent civilization would not change our lives, but it would change our perception of how we see the universe. We would finally have an answer to the question, "Are we alone in the universe?" Remember, the absence of evidence is not evidence
@@23RaySan who knows.. I dont mean exactly a turning point in our life, like u and me, but a turning point for the future of the human species in general. Maybe there is something we can learn from another alien species. I know it sound 99% sci fi, but we will never really know until we see it. Some scientists believe life can spark off a gas giant. Like titan, enceladus europa. Finding life would at LEAST create a job for someone.. Idk.. I love the thought of life outside of earth. I lose sleep sometimes just thinking about it.
So sorry to hear that David. I guess being on the cutting edge of science means there are sometimes obstacles along the way. But I’m sure that’s just what they are - obstacles. And I know that in due time the Cool Worlds team will be the first to confirm an exo moon.
I actually really needed to hear this because of some things going on in life right now. Thank you for this!
I'm so sorry to hear they didn't give you time. You're right that its their loss!
Thank you so much for posting this video and being so open and honest. I'm right at the start of my career and to hear this video from someone I really look up to really helps.
Stay positive and never give up!💫
Cracking video, very honest and super valuable to highlight this side of science! Thanks guys ❤️
I knew as soon as I saw the title. Sorry to you and the team, but all of you are phenomenal. Keep trekking on - the work you all do is so important and as a hobbyist I'm rooting for your success! ❤
It's really great to see the human side of you and your team. Your videos are some of the most interesting videos I've seen on UA-cam. I tell people about your channel and how your videos have some of the highest amount of independent research on all of UA-cam. The quality and depth of the knowledge I gain from your videos surpasses most videos I go through on a daily basis. I applaud you and Ben and the rest of your team for doing the best you can to get some JWST time. Sad that you didn't get it but you said it best, that's just how it goes sometimes. Perseverance is certainly key to success in the long run and I can see that you guys have that in spades. I would love to know the criticisms that the JWST team responded back with, it would give us as your followers some more insight into how hard this stuff really is and how it impacts the field in general. Thank you for consistently making amazing content on here and I have no doubt you will eventually get in there!
I'm so sorry to hear that your proposal was rejected; as an artist, I am intimately familiar with what rejection feels like. But "keep pushing, keep going" is absolutely the right attitude to have and I'm so glad you're promoting that. Even if you don't personally manage to put exomoons "on the radar" in the field of astronomy, someday SOMEONE will, and whoever it is will undoubtedly be standing on the shoulders of the work you and your students are doing.
I appreciate the way you are able to communicate in such a positive way while being very obviously in the depths of raw grief over the rejection, but as you said, it's an important teaching moment, and you're doing great work. Persevere!
Keep pushing. I get rejected almost all the times I submit an article. I think it maybe worst to get rejected at the proposal, in this case, because of resources. I had a friend that got rejected twice at his doctorate proposal. He got really depressed for more than one year. At the second time, I kept motivating him, and I think I succeeded in helping him to keep trying. The key is persistance, never giving up. You all got this. I'm not an astronomer, but I think that proposal is a valid objective. Keep up the good work! Good luck!
Being ahead of your time is never easy, but your seemingly infatigable commitment to staying true to your vision is very inspirational, and I hope things eventually go your way.
PS small suggestion for a possible future video. What are the pros and cons with regards to the potential for life on a moon? I imagine one pro would be a circadian rhythm, and one negative might be the lack of a sustainable atmosphere. Curious on your thoughts.
PPS Your thoughts on dealing with rejection is incredibly valuable for everyone trying to find their way in a competitive world. I've been working on a science fiction book for the last three years and it's getting pretty close to completion. I am feeling nervous about all the rejection I know I am about to suffer when I start the process of trying to find an agent and publisher. I think writing it was probably the easy part Compared to the pain of rejection I'm almost guaranteed to suffer now that it's almost done.
Sorry to hear it. Paper rejected myself just today but got to keep going forward, adapt the ideas etc. Hope you get the time you need!
Absolutely LOVE this, thank you so much! Truely inspirational. ❤️
Gutted for you and your team. Love everything you've done here to educate us and keep us curious. Thank you ❤️
I've said it before, and I'll say it again here.
My primary reason for using this platform is because of channels like this one.
I enjoy watching these space videos (I also watch nature documentaries too: ocean and land animals...) and at the same time I'm learning new things.
Professor Kipping, I understand your disappointment. Please don't let it bring you down. You are doing an exceptional job by providing us your videos, and for free too!
My thanks for your hard work. Cheers! Take care. ❤🎉❤🎉❤
I am so sorry to hear this... You guys work so hard, and you deserved it. A big hug to you all
You are a FANTASTIC narrator and this site is wonderful for educating the audience. I'm amazed that the "people that matter" that have seen this site haven't insisted on your request being accepted. I'm glad you went public because though everyone is likely "deserving" those that educate the public along with expanding science are more deserving. God bless you for all your work on this site.
Hey Ben, Daniel, Diana, Joheen, Zirui, Avishi, Andrew, Madison, and of course David - I know this is news fresh in this exact moment - it speaks volumes to each and everyone of you, and the team's character, how you move forward after rejection/denial. It will suck initially early on while the wound is fresh, and there's nothing wrong with feeling that emotion. Cool Worlds Lab is a group of extremely talented individuals who are able to not only continue to push the scientific envelope in real time, but also be a beacon for the science curious public (such as myself) that excites us in such a way that we can't help but go, "Oh wow, that was cool (worlds) AF!" Keep on keeping on team, we love you!
I LOVE following the work you and your lab do. I hope you, Ben, and the rest of your team take some time to be kind to yourselves this week. Get back to the exomoon quest next week 💜
Greetings from Sweden!
Thank you for sharing.
Give Ben a big hug!
We appreciate the amazing work you guys do: the science, the insights, the imagination and the presentation of it all. We know you'll keep on keeping on because of the dedication you evince. Thank you
As bit of a balm to you and your team, know that you have ignited a deep sense of awe in so many. I’m retired so it might be a little late for me to join the ranks of astrophysicists, but many an impressionable young student no doubt has changed careers thanks to your team of “geeks.” I mean geek as an aspirational term.
This video is extremely inspiring! I love the work you do, and what everyone at cool worlds does! Keep going, keep trying, you’ve certainly inspired me to do the same!
Rejection is basically part of life, been devouring your videos for the past few days, Hope you guys get over this very fast and work on the next thing and achieve success in other things, even though I won't call this rejection a failure
I wish I've heard this when I was at school. Therefore I constantly tell it my kids.
Thanks for your contribution to humanity!
I don't know if you can, but I'd love a "theoretically had they said yes" video going over if you had got the go ahead on this project, exactly what this process is like and what you'd hope to find and why exo-moons! Kinda like your other storytelling videos on the universe 🍻
GOOD IDEA
@@NWOslave Agree
You guys are great and definitely deserve the credit, exo moons are such a new and interesting leap in science! Your day will come guys keep up the research!
Thank you for sharing, this learning of life! Keep on, they're sure missing out! You're Chanel, your videos, your way of approaching, exploring and explaining things is absolutely the best!
Thanks for sharing David, our no’s are as important as our yes’s. how we deal with rejection and negatives can be what makes us more determined. Keep at it Professor your students and viewers need you. Once again, thank you for your insights.
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Rejection is a property of lack of funding. *Looks at us military budget to fight zero conflicts*
This is such an amazing channel! This video hit me right after some rejection -- their loss, completely true.
Thank you for this video. Love from Greece!
Pleas keep up the good work your videos are amazing
Sorry to hear of your disappointment, that would have been an amazing discovery. JWST no doubt boasts stiff competition for time. You do a great job; you're one of my favorite science channels. Thanks for keeping up the good work!
That was a great message about rejection. I think I needed to hear it. Thank you, and good luck in the future!
I'm so thankful and happy for you and your student that you both have something you're so passionate about... They can devastate you on such a level.
a driving purpose that gives your life meaning and helps propel you forward.
Most of the people on Earth never have a single thing like that in their entire lives. Nothing to dedicate their time and energy towards, nothing to help them grow and struggle as a person so that they can become better for themselves and for their loved ones.
I am sorry that it happened this way... But I'm so glad there are people like you out there that can be so passionate and so devastated by something like this.
I can assure you as someone who has been both... Being passionate and devastated is amazing and gives motivation going forward. Without something like that in your life... That is true despair.
Keep your head up. It’s where the exomoons live. 👊🏼
Sorry to hear that David. You do wonders in the Astronomy education and conveying the scientific mindset to so many people on this channel. As a Science teacher myself, having an inspirational educator as yourself makes me want to keep going and never give up.
please never give up, my favourite teachers were the science ones because of their passion, even though science was never going to be my thing (however, I did get a double B, and I'll always be the 'I fkn love science' guy, and will always protect the nerds, took many hits for them back at school, and yes we can call them nerds regardless of what the latest terms are, because I know nobody asked them if the term nerd is offensive, it's like why would anyone give a fuck, because nerd really means someone who is so focussed on something, and that's a blessing. Fight for the nerds, everywhere
Thanks for sharing! Great lesson to remind us all on accepting, and learning, from rejection.
So I came across your channel recently. I have always loved the idea of trying to explore moons.
Do you think JWST has the resolution to see moons around these candidates?
Being a Star Wars fan I lean into the thought that moons could be a habitable option.
I hope you get your chance soon.
I heard the accept rate was closer to 1 in 10. In any case, I feel for you. It seems like they are going more for the 'deep field'/'early universe' type of proposals at the moment.
No failure when you know your right. You will get to prove and find the first exo moons! Cool Worlds lab sparked off my inner physicist journey I know it’s not JWST time but thank you for sparking my interest and enthusiasm from gravitational lenses to exo moons and more. Persistence is key and never let hope die.
I really respect you put this on right away, not after having time to sugarcoat it and let it sink in. That you're able to recover and immediately begin moving on to the next challenge without it bogging you down is a great lesson and example for anyone still trying to fight their fight. If it was easy- anyone would do it. Good luck to you guys and keep on trucking
Ahh man! I knew exactly what this was going to be when I saw the title. Was really rooting for you to get accepted with your JWST proposal! Love the purpose you all serve and the work you put in, not only in the scientific endeavour to make new, important discoveries but your efforts to distill some of that info for average Jake's like me to learn about and enjoy! Keep moving forward!!
Sorry guys, you can use my crappy amateur telescope whenever you want. It's good at detecting one moon.. our moon, but still.