STEVE DIECKHOFF DID IT. ROCK CLIMBER CHESS MASTER ODD JOB CARPENTER IN THE RAMSEYHOOD. STEVE DIECKHOFF. THE FAMILY IS INNOCENT. STAGED BY THE CLIMBER SBTC.
It makes zero sense to me to hang up on the 911 dispatcher. Alex Murdaugh did it too & he was in a remote area surrounded by trees - he should have stayed on the line to make sure first responders found his house?! He's guilty though; called attorneys to come to a murder site so they'd back off on his fraud & boat crash case - before calling Buster. Re: Patsy Ramsey though.. hanging up on 911 to call "friends" is a guilty look too imo. At least make sure they find your house and don't need more information to speed up the process of finding your child for goodness sake. Btw, 1st time here... loving your videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! You have a new fan in Oklahoma.
Yes. I've read a great deal about this case. The note was written in a hand indistinguishable from Patsy Ramsay's. She also comes across to me as a covert narcissist, and they are typically jealous of their children, especially daughters. As long as Jon Benet made her mother look good, the beauty pageant stuff would have been acceptable to Patsy. Once the girl starts to grow up, the mother realizes the girl will take the ascendancy, I think she took action. No narcissist will tolerate being upstaged. The mother in this case had the most opportunity, and the means, and the motivation to commit the crime. Her coldness is typical of covert narcissistic behavior, and notice her appearance strives for perfection. Her husband acts like a co-dependent, and he lets her take the lead, coming in only when playing to Patsy's tune. Narcs make perfect family storms, and notice also how much the child's death makes the mother appear to be a victim. He isn't acting like a victim. Covert narcs always want to be the victim. I don't believe Patsy Ramsey.... at all.
I agree, isn't it a southern thing? Very creepy it would attract many many pedophiles.. making little girls up with make up and all the rest...not GOOD
I think what stands out most to many people in this interview are two things: the lack of sorrow and the lack of transparency on the part of the parents. I think these experts were very thorough & competent.
I disagree. I think the cops here, especially that woman (sorry to say, because people will take it to mean ALL female police are incompetent) was a total dumbass. Moved the body twice. Good job.
Patsy was insistent that Burke did not come down the stairs while she was on the phone with 911. Why wasn't she worried about him by himself up there? That house is huge and a kidnapper could have still been in the house and could have taken him and gone down a flight of stairs away from the kitchen, or could have killed him and escaped.
You know, sometimes I wonder if they found JonBenet's body and thought that Burke had killed her and tried to cover up for him. After watching your video on Burke's interview with Dr Phil I agree that he seems like he may have some autism spectrum issues and his parents would have definitely picked up on that when he was a child. By the time they figured out whether he had hurt her or not it would have been too late to go back and tell the truth so now we will never know. It's just a theory, obviously, but it makes the most sense to me.
I don't think he killed his sister. He's weird because he was a powerful but whipped dad and a over domineering mother who wanted a daughter more. Once JonBenet was gone you'd get the full brunt of Patsy and I bet she's one bitch of a mother. Plus if your son is an accidental murderer do you really want to sleep in the same house with him? Doesn't add I think a pedo did it and likely someone who was the help before. They had their daughter ringing the dinner bell for those types anyways
There was some documentary somewhere that said Burke had anger issues towards JB due to the attention she got. Even to the point of smearing feces all over her room. I do NOT KNOW if this is true - but allegedly according to a former housekeeper this is what occurred before the death of JB. I insist this is all alleged and may not be true.
Right?? And I get mad when local cops dont talk to me ( out of professional courtesy) I honestly believe I'm a trained NCIS officer I've watched every episode of NCIS (all 3 in the franchise) at least twice
I too am interested in their take on Burke's body language. From my uneducated observation; if you watch him in all of his publicized interviews, at his sister's funeral, without listening to the audio, you would never conclude that he was talking about a death. And, at the funeral (no audio, no context) he could have been walking in a parade from all one could gather from his body language. 🤷♀️Idk, don't come for me.
There is probably some thing , wrong with him , He’s seems like a sweet boy, but something about him not quite right!. Money buys a lot , friends , police, public people!! Just does .
I believe it was him. He comes across like a sociopath in his aunt videos. I can imagine these two parents in full panic driven grief deciding they couldn't lose both children.
-She said it true ‘This is a story only we can tell’, amen lady! It IS a ‘story’ only you can tell, not the TRUTH, which is what grieving people do, they want the truth, punishment and JUSTICE.
According to the autopsy report, Jonbenet showed signs of previous sexual molestation., which again likely points towards the parents. Also, both children had bedwetting problems, Burke reportedly liked to throw feces etc ., these are signs of psychological problems. And keep in mind, the Grand Jury indicted both parents.
Note was in her handwriting. Multiple "practice" letters found in home. Guilty AF, use logic. You literally cannot explain away my first two sentences. I don't know WHO in the house actually did it, but the mother and father know and were involved. PERIOD.
There were one so called practiceletter with only half a sentence and if someone else tried to copy her handwriting it makes more sense than she would write so it could be identified and why would she need practise for doing that. Why would she keep pen and paper and the practice paper it doesn't make sense. Likewise the brush used as garotte....who do something so revealing not to mention the bonus sum ect. This are not stupid people who would the reveal themself?
A mother just got out of prison after 25 years for murdering her son and she was innoCENT all along. Her other Son became estranged from her as she was convicted of murdering his brother. Imagine that reunion. How do you put 25 years of being CONvinced that your own mother murdered your only sibling.. ?
OKay I disagree about hanging up on dispatch. I would totally hang up, because I'd be in emergency panic mode, and would want to run around the house frantically looking for my daughter, because I'd still be in a bit of denial, even with the ransom note staring me in the face. Talking on the phone is not what I'd be wanting to do during an emergency. My instinct would be action, after giving the address. There is nothing less soothing than the condescending tone of dispatch telling you to calm down when your child is missing.
They had already found her daughter dead. She wants to dispel the myths so that they will concentrate on finding her daughter. I like her . I dont agree with the pageants even for scholarships. But I think she has maintained herself in order to get their cooperation . If shes not at least polite the media would shut her down and she would get nowhere. Shes also aware that the public is already blaming the victim.You would not like to see me in that situation. Even knowing that I needed to be calm to get their help and support.....my mother bear paws would have left blood on the screen.
I remember back when the autopsy showed that JonBenet had been repeatedly sexually assaulter for a long period of time. Strange that we don't hear that anymore. Maybe it's because John Ramsay is wealthy and has threatened to sue anyone who reports truthfully on the sexual assault of JonBenet. Someone needs to figure out what those initials mean at the end of the ransom note. And, no, Patsy didn't murder her daughter. Whoever constantly raped her did it. When John Ramsey croaks, the Boulder Police Dept will be able to disclose the truth. Until then...
After working as a dispatcher for police and fire for a mid size city for 15 years, that call is absolutely on point. That's how those calls go. Yes, she would hang up .it's very hard to keep callers on the phone after you tell them an officer is on the way.
I NEVER hang up from the dispatcher until an Ambulance 🚑 it a Police/,EMT is on the scene. If you have not learned CPR SO IT!! I'm older now and have kept friends going until the squad for there thank GOD 🙏🙏!!;The worst. About 30 years ago summer I awoke to my neighbor running up and down the street screaming for help. I ein out in my nightshirt. Something's wrong with RJ I can't wake him up. I knew where his room was. I went in, checked for vitals-none there was vomit around his mouth and on the pillow and lividity had set in. He had choked on his vomit. I called 911 back and explained what the condition of the deceased was. It was so heart wrenching to tell my dear friend that her 22 yr old son was dead. She had custody of her daughters 3yr old. He kept asking Why isn't Uncle RJ getting up? It's Pancake 🥞 day! I just took him with me until everything was in place for the funeral. So sad.
Let’s not be so quick to point fingers, nobody was proven guilty. Also there were also a lot of employees and ex employees that had keys to there home.
Listening to this, the Madeleine McCann "abducted child" case sprang to mind. Not many people warmed to the McCann parents either as they came across cold and defensive and unhelpful with the investigation. May there be justice for both Madeleine McCann and Jonbenet Ramsey........one day.
The McCann parents killed her. My dad was friends with one of the metropolitan police detectives that went out to Portugal. The general consensus was that it was a negligent accident(sleeping pill overdose ) but they got rid of the body, but the Portuguese police messed it up so much they didn’t have a case.
I agree the mother drugged the children and the father got rid of the body. The parents and friends gave conflicting accounts. The parents, especially the mother would not answer questions and the British Government got them home asap where they were not questioned by British police but have spent 14 million pounds covering up their crime. Felt sorry for the Portugese police.
@@joannietrotter2344 you realise the killer has been arrested, right? They were favourable because they were right. The McCanns didn’t kill their daughter.
I’d like to see some statistics on say 10 ransom cases and of those how many left the body in the home and not take it with them. ..as leverage. This always bothered me about this case. Who asks for ransom and doesn’t take the body (live or dead) with them.
Agree on wanting the numbers! So let’s explore that - let’s say ransomer inadvertently kills JonBenet - after having been in the home for long enough to write the strange long ransom note, why wouldn’t he bring JB with him, in order to try to collect some money? Maybe he was a really odd pedophile-type who brought her downstairs, knocked her out with chloroform (or whatever, I don’t know), wrote the letter, then freaked out because he accidentally killed her - so he abandoned his plan and just left? (That was my belief at first glance when I saw John Mark Carr as a possible suspect several years ago) .... I also felt the same way about the Santa guy - the local guy who played Santa - but evidently both were cleared as suspects, but I could actually imagine the scenario playing out in that way. Surely the stats would suggest that it is rare to have a ransom note and then just leaving the body/kidnapped victim behind, but shoot, there are almost no long letters as ransom notes .... so I’d like to know too. Smart.
Exactly! Why would a person kill a child, leave her there, then leave a random note? Remember the Lindbergh case? Left a note,took the baby, was later found dead. I don't think I've ever heard of a kidnapping/ransom case where the kidnapped victim is still there.
Agreed! And, hoe did the person know the exact about John's bonus was. I never understood that. Even if they had a maid, I highly doubt they would be telling her how much he made. Patsy doesn't come across as a person that would be friendly to a person she (may have) felt is below her. Granted, we don't what she was really like, but, this interview and her actions didn't put her in a good light.
@@abugsmom7623 The fake "ransom" amount, his bonus pay, was done by Patsy to make it look like the writer knew the family, I believe. I have no doubt she composed the note. After "someone" accidentally killed the child, I think Patsy did everything she thought she should to make it look like a pedophilic ritual killing, but she got confused, crazed, panicky, and just too exhausted I think, to make real sense. This child died of strangulation and a fractured skull. Mr and Mrs R were the only adult in the house, and surely 9-year old Burke didn't have the knowledge of pedophilia or use of a garotte to make it look so brutal.
I think the lady is quite dissociated from her child. In a prior interview, she once stated, "I loved THAT child" (not I loved MY child). In this interview, when the 9-1-1 call is played, we hear her say "I'm the mother" (Not, I'm her mother.) Something just isn't right.
I would have to say she’s pretty high on the scale of narcissism. At least that’s what I’m picking up. It’s all about her and how’s she’s perceived. Her being in pageants growing up could possibly explain this. The grandiosity in some of her statements definitely raises some red flags. It’s almost portrayed as, how dare you challenge me. And the death of her daughter has definitely put the attention on her. And narcissistic people will go to great lengths to get that attention they believe they deserve. Sometimes crossing that line into sociopathy. My answer is. Not all narcissists are sociopaths. But all sociopaths are narcissists.
This might be the greatest video I've ever seen. The presentation is impeccable. 4 guys talking about a subject without stepping on each other and jumping in.
I was a 911 dispatcher for 15 years. What most people don't realize is that the recording equipment begins recording a few seconds prior to the call being answered and also after it has been disconnected.
@deborahleone4351 Well how did Patsy obtain male DNA that didn't match anyone in the family and leave it on her child? To think she did anything to hurt her child is insane. The City of Boulder issued a public apology to the Ramsay's. They were innocent and it's easy to see how Witch Hunts began 🤔
@@deborahleone4351 That audio tape has been enhanced ad infinitum. There’s nothing on it indicating that Patsy said anything to anyone but the 911 operator. You guys are so desperate to hang the blame on the Ramseys that you will grasp at any straw. The best computer programs on the planet have been unable to reveal any secret conversation.
She is ex beauty pageant so very used to controlling any negative emotions and just offering something acceptable. She is conditioned to look her best at all times. So judging her by 'normal' standards just isn't going to work. We don't know if she went completely to pieces in private. In robot mode she appears to be very unlikable, and there is a bias against her for putting her little girl through the pageant circuit and maybe living vicariously through her in some way.
Fallopia yeah that is another thing she is so posed and cold the way she said I was crazy upset cause my daughter is still doing let s say pipi....? Right does she knows that some kids have that problems? .yeah I hope she didn't fake her death or asks to be gone !?.......well personality problems u know what they called it?... Anyway yes split personalities. Do that jeaulousy.
"she's not a very likable person". No kidding. She had a baby dressed like a 25 yr old model. She had vaneers in her mouth (her daughter) and wore adult style revealing clothing. I loathe mom's that do that.
@@mariemonk104 they are not permanent. Most of these little beauty queens have them. Do you honestly think that a 5 year old has a beautiful set of teeth like that. Do some research.
Same, I heard "what did you do, what did you do" the panic heard in her voice on the 911 call was the panic thats natural. Im sure She was panicked on behalf of the person that committed the murder, it was her son, she was scared for him.
Parents aren’t going to protect their child’s killer....unless it’s another one of their children that did the killing. Especially, if that’s the only one they have left. We may one day learn who killed her. That is, if Burke one day confesses because he can’t live with the fact that he clobbered his sister over the head with a flashlight.
It is known that JonBenet was a bed wetter. Many of these children wet the bed because their environment is so stressful or threatening. I don’t know if we will ever know the truth but I think this was one of the most botched cases ever. RIP angel. No one can hurt you now.
No that’s a misconception. It’s very normal for kids to wet the bed at that age. When my daughter has sleepovers almost all of her friends need overnight diapers, including my daughter. It’s when they get older and are wetting themselves at school and other places where then it “could be” due to underlying stress at home. And that’s not even a guarantee of abuse. So you have to be careful about judging a kid in that way.
@@victoriamarie9103this was not a healthy and normal home, look at the pageant photos, very narcissistic home. No child wants to perform like that.. truly sick.
A Family member was a bedwetter, & didn’t stop until twelve…Dr. visits, exams, no liquid after six, everything was tried..rubber under the sheets protected the mattress,,all lengths taken…out grown thankfully, & Dr.s diagnosis, was ‘Sound Sleeper”
Being an unlikable cold controlling person does not make you a murderer. Making an innocent child perform while dressed in a hyper- sexualised way with her hair and makeup like an adult does make you a child abuser in my opinion. What a sad story this is!
Who ever thinks that these little girls looked sexy, are really a pedophile. However, I wouldn't put my little girl in pageants because of the perverts that are out there. I also think that sometimes the children don't really want to spend so much time practicing and would like to be just little girls.
He’s just a different kind of a young man, I don’t believe he killed her, I think it was done accidentally by John or Patsy. I think he’s been molesting her & Patsy knew it & caught him & she flipped out & they got into a big fight & one of them accidentally killed her & covered it up
@@laurakyburz8165 Yes - some say it is because they believe he is on the autistic spectrum but I've never seen anyone on the spectrum behave like he did. Also he didn't appear to be on the AS in that footage of when he was interviewed as a child. I think there was some major jealousy going on with his sister. Jon Benet was the star of the show and he was sick of it. I think he injured her in anger. Then John Ramsy, thinking she was dying sped things up with the garrote and Patsy planned and carried out the cover up.
Logically, it makes no sense. You would turn in your spouse so fast if they murdered your child. The only thing that makes sense is covering for a guilty child.
While I think Burke did it, almost every week I see couples on the news being arrested for murdering a child. It is not unusual that couples protect each other in crimes. It happens all the time.
I don't know if Patsy killed Jon Benet or not but could some of her attitude may come from feeling blamed,trying to be accretive and take control and defend herself. Also licking her lips and swallowing hard could come from chemo therapy. I had a friend who had chemo therapy she said her mouth and throat was always dry. I witnessed her licking her lips and swallowing hard. Just a tid bit of information to think about.
I would be worse than her in the interview, I probably would say quite a few cuss words, so all the audience would here is bleep,bleep,bleep. I would defend myself too, but not be so composed.
If you had a child kidnapped, as she stated in the beginning, wouldn’t you wait for Professionals to come and check the crime scene meticulously before you called in friends to come over and mess things up?
And more importantly, why wouldn’t you turn that house upside down looking for her? I would check every crevice in that house. Not to mention if one of my children was “missing” I’d want the other one in my sight or in my arms immediately. They just leave him up in his room staring at the ceiling apparently.
Where were the competent cops, tho? Not all are of course THIS stupid, but this is pretty much insanely stupid. Move the body, not ONCE, but TWICE? Really?
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 John Ramsey had already destroyed any crime scene by removing the tape across her mouth and bringing her body upstairs.
Is it just me or when she is talking about the length of the ransom note, and how unusual it is, does she not almost say "I didn't realize..."?? Changes to "from what we understand" about minute 41
I think most of her behavior can be explained by the fact that she is a narcissist. It doesn’t mean she was guilty, but it explains almost everything you point out about her.
By that logic, all murderer's behavior can be explained by narcissism. Seven ones do not make ten......ten ones make ten. It's the sum of ALL of the behaviors, etc, etc.
@@freedomfirst5557 That's interesting. I wonder how many murderers aren't Narcissists or Sociopaths? There is an awesome psychologist , Dr. Ramani, who has tons of videos here on Narcissism etc. A guy on medcircle, here interviews her about Sociopathy and Psychopathy and explains a bunch of very confusing psych terms. Some are traits, but not a diagnosis, are all Narcissists Sociopaths or are all Sociopaths Narcissists ......
@@angtxsun4460 Yes, I believe premeditation determines the degree of a murder charge. I'm not sure about crimes of passion and anger management. The laws regarding this vary greatly and reflect sociological, cultural norms, etc I think I know what you meant regarding anger management.......literally not being able to manage anger in a specific circumstance. But it brings up what might be argued that if someone who has a history, and has been required to complete anger management training previous, should have been able to draw on their training. Or....would it be considered a mitigating factor?
This case has always screamed INSIDE JOB to me. I just can't see someone sitting and writing that letter inside the house! Then to leave the body inside the house.
Right, even if she was killed in the process of getting her out of the house, they'd bring her body and pretend she was alive to get their money anyway. The intruder-kidnapper is a laughably bad cover up story.. yet it worked.. probably because of their status.
I agree. When my daughter was in high school she about 45 minutes late getting home. I was a mess and to this day, the thought of her having,been missing even a short time still upsets me. Because, so much could happen. I totally understand that's not the same thing. But, I've always felt they almost acted like robots, with little to no feeling. And, at some point and time, she took a nap?! Who takes a nap when you child is missing or found dead in such a short time? Unless she was drugged, most parents can't sleep. I'm not sure what happen but I think the parents know something. Imo, it was Burke. I understand that with autism there may not be much emotion, but, he acted like her death was no big deal, even as a child.
Still at the beginning of this video, but that 911 call, what always got me was her saying “the mother.” I can’t get past that. I’m 31 years old and had to go to the doctor recently. My mom filled out my forms, as I was too ill to do so. She didn’t see the back side, so the nurse decided to help. When asking our relationship, my mama replied, “I’m her mother.” Additionally, another car hit mine a few months ago (this was all 2020, of course...) and I called my mom for a ride as my car was totaled. She barged past officers and exclaimed, “I’m her mother” multiple times. Even as a child, she’s has never said she was “the mother.” Those distancing words have chilled me to the bone to this day.
Pageant crowds and acting term. She did seem broken or very disassociated even after the police left. My opinion is it is sadly common when how I see as profit or income from mom's job is #1 - make sure priority is on childrens' compliance with the industry rules. I don't believe they care who brings or trains the kids. Very sad and just wrong.
@@yyxy.oncesaid yes, true, but it’s the context. My father would say the same thing when picking me up from school, but on a 911 call may be totally different. Actually had to call 911 for my father about 6 months ago and when they asked my relation I said “I’m his daughter, he’s my Daddy” (insurance company needed the recording for their payout, and we got the copies too...). It all just depends
There are 2 red flags here, that didn't occur I would believe the "intruder" story. 1. Ransom note. What sort of stupid murderer or kidnapper would stick around in a house with everybody at home, turn the light on, and write a 3-page letter, risking somebody waking up and finding him there? 2. Hanging up on the 911 operator (!!!) to call friends to come over, while I know my house is a crime scene with important clues that must be analyzed by the Police and not destroyed by a bunch of people.. ( I can't imagine myself hanging up on the operator anyway while I've told them that my child got kidnapped, I would be on the line until the Police arrived telling them as much information as I could.) These things alone already would indicate that the parents are involved.
1. There was another case a few blocks away of a little girl who woke up with a strange man’s hand over her mouth. He assaulted her and her mom came in and he jumped out of the 2nd story window. The father was out of town, and the daughter and mother had gone to the movies and out to dinner, and had been gone for several hours the police believe he had gotten into the house and waited for them all that time if they were gone and until they were in bed. The Ramsey’s house was enormous. Someone could have easily been hiding and they’d have never known. They had been gone all the previous night to a party. 2. Remember this was 1996. The general public didn’t know as much about crime, scene, investigation, police procedures, etc. like we do now because of social media and technology. Also, Boulder was a very small, seemingly safe town that had never had a murder until then, especially the murder of a child. Just some things to consider.
@rnbygrace3274 I heard about that, it could have been the same person who killed JonBenet, but the parents are still guilty of misleading the Police. Maybe initially they thought Burke killed her, that is why they went that far like writing that stupid ransome note, and by the time they realized it wasn't their son it was too late to go back. So I didn't say they were guilty of killing their daughter, or Burke killed her, but the parents were definitely lying the whole time.
@@edinak5805The Boulder Police leaked a lot of lies about the Ramseys. They knew within 21/2 weeks of the murder that the Ramseys had not killed their daughter but they had already leaked these lies to the media. They were not about to come out and admit that they totally f’d this case up.
Another weird thing was they had all their friends come to the house and they were cleaning up and moving stuff so basically any possible evidence got contaminated. I am sure the father was smart enough where he wouldn’t let such a thing to happen unless that was his motive.
Another thing was the neighbors heard the girl scream in the middle of the night, the mother was up all night never went to sleep was packing for next day trip, yet she didn’t hear her daughter scream but neighbors did? If the mother was up she would have to hear the intruder and her daughter. Read so many books about this case and everything points to previous child sexual abuse as noticed and recorded by her pediatrician. There is so much evidence that most don’t know about but they go on lamenting about parents being innocent because they only know few things but try to be experts on a very complicated and troubled case.
@ Monica Coe Sometimes they trigger nervousness for me. I am not sure why but sometimes it seems they lack empathy. Idk. But I enjoy their intelligence. 🌺
I always think its super weird to parade your CHILD around on a stage wearingcfull make-up and evening gowns. I already don't like, and am super skeptical of them because of that. She seems to be a very vain and super-obnoxious person. VERY unlikeable.
This is a very interesting discussion. I have always been very disturbed by this case, the family's behavior, and the mistakes made by the police/investigators. I think the way that little girl was paraded around like a miniature adult, is disgusting and nothing short of child abuse. Patsy was exploiting that child. Patsy obviously craved attention and status. John Ramsey was wrong not to protect his daughter from that lifestyle. I don't know if Patsy is guilty of any involvement in the murder of this precious child, but I sure find her behavior obnoxious, arrogant, and inappropriate. As a mother who has lost a child, I can not comprehend her lack of emotion, coldness, and choice of words. I hope the truth is revealed. RIP Jon Benet.
Jon Benet was only used as a tool by a flagrantly narcissistic mother. That woman wasn’t proud of Jon Benet’s accomplishments; she was only proud of how Jon Benet’s accomplishments reflected back on patsy from the outside world. That poor baby was still wetting the bed. What does that tell us about the kind of pressure that that woman was placing on her daughter’s poor little sexualized soul ? All about her. Did she even say Jon Benet’s name during the whole telling of “our story”……..ie……patsy’s story? She didn’t even get any tears during any of these interviews ever……I just find that to be totally shameful, unbelievable and cold-ass mean………unless she ___ it. Call it a feeling. But it’s a feeling which I can’t shake.
@Donna Montanare, first I want to offer my condolences for your tragic loss. As someone who has also lost a child,( our son Noah) I’m sure you will agree, it is a loss like none other on this earth. It is the most unnatural thing in the world to bury a child..So unnatural that there’s not even a word for it; it you lose your spouse you become a widow/widower, if you lose your parents you become an orphan, but no word for the parents loss of a child. Which brings me to lack of grief or sorrow from either Patsy or John. Granted I wasn’t interviewed, nonetheless, our sorrow is/was a constant in our lives. One thing I wanted to touch on.. (I’m not sure if it will be covered or shown here) but there was a family Christmas video Patsy had posted (?) that showed her with Burk and JonBenet in front of a Christmas tree. She introduces them …Patsy first, Burk in kind of an offhand mention, and then “And THIS IS JONBENET!” with more infliction than with Burk… I couldn’t help but feel that Burk was kind of the “spare” child. That is only MY honest opinion. I, very likely, could be wrong; but that is just how I feel/felt at that time.. ((( hugs))) Thoughts for you,again, at your loss.
The ransom note is such a huge issue, not only because the handwriting looks so much like Patsy’s, but also because it’s written on her writing pad, and her pen...and there were many practice notes before the final note. As she herself said, ransom notes aren’t usually written on the spot, when they can get caught by staying any extra time.
It made no sense as to why she wasn't charged for covering up this murder. All you need to do is prove she wrote the note and that guilt will show cover-up and obstruction of justice. Without any conviction for the murder.
I still think that could be true. I think the parents either knew who killed that poor little girl, and tried to cover it up because it was one of them, or they knew who the outsider was who killed that poor little girl, and they decided they were going to take care of the perpetrator themselves. All of their stage managing the situation from the very beginning, says to me they probably knew who did this.
Or it was an accident. They had to come up with some bogus story. In L.E. for 11 years and I call BS on the someone outside the family responsible for the girl’s death.
I am from the same state/culture in which Patsy was raised. I was also next-door neighbors with a friend of Patsy’s who was Miss WV the year following Patsy’s “reign”. As a point of fact, People magazine ran a photo of the wrong Miss WV during this scandal…it was my neighbor/friend who was a dead-ringer-look-alike to Patsy when they were young. In spite of all of these 2nd degree associations with Patsy, I still could feel little sympathy because I felt her interviews to be so highly suspicious. Our common friend never voiced an opinion on the case, so I was not biased by her, it was just a gut feeling. I hope I’m correct because I would hate to be thinking this if she was guiltless of harming her daughter, or at least having knowledge of the perpetrator of her daughter’s death. As a side note: I think these pageants for girls this young are abominable and do permanent harm to the girls…it’s repulsive to see them sexualized in such a manner.
I agree. The IMPORTANT takeaway from all this is to stop these horrible pageants & the sexualization of children. People should take all the attention they give to this case to working to improve the lives of ALL children! We'd have a much better world. But people would rather speculate & pass judgement based on confirmation bias because those things are EASY, whereas changing the world to make it a better, safer place is DIFFICULT.
I agree. Little girls in make up taught to move like adult women. Disgusting. 🤮 Should be outlawed. 😡 In this male controlled world...Uncle Pervy likes the pageants..so they will stay. Added is the photoshopping of babies with make up on.....:( now days. WTF..Only promoting pedophilia ..these women who allow it must be pretty naive.
911call- I’m the mother 🤔. “The” mother. Sounds like she’s already processing the death of her 6 year old little girl. They were protecting someone. Perhaps themselves or another person that was in the house.
@@debracannon2163 Moms would never say that. We have 3 sons, all older than 19 now. I can never recall my wife ever saying that, and in that horrible situation I know my wife for a fact would say “I’m his mother”...She would say that forever
I like Chases 2 words... Guilty Knowledge. As soon as the question was asked, my two words were "Cover Up". They both know what happened to their little girl, I believe the son killed his sister. That's where there's a lot of conflicting emotions, but their main concern is the protection of the son. That ransom note was written by Mrs. Ramsey, no doubt.
I don't believe them. The father says very little and the mother is like a control freak. It just doesn't add up. If your child disappeared out of the blue, most people would be miserable, depressed or on medication to deal with the trauma of it all even after 5 years. These two look fit and healthy and not a care in the world. They have a " its in the past vibe" going on. You never get over your children til the day you die. They are hiding something.
Watch the other UA-cam documentary. There are several experts who talked to the 911 call handler, she said she heard voices in the background saying "Ok, we've called the police, now what?" and people arguing etc as well as a young boys voice (they always maintained Burke was asleep in bed during the whole thing). She knew something was off but was never asked to testify and placed under a gagging order. They also demonstrated that it was perfectly possible for Burke to have caved in the skull of his sister by recreating it with a boy of similar build and weight. It was even surmised that the murder weapon was a flashlight found in the house. The ransom note took over 20 minutes to write in a simulation, and several practice copies were found in the house, the paper and pen were from Patsy's table, and the handwriting and phrases used in the note match previous writing by Patsy. Why would anyone spend 20 minutes writing a note IN THE HOUSE during the commission of a crime? Totally bogus. The crime scene was purposely contaminated by the family and friends moving the body. It was also proved that no-one could have got in/out the broken window without disturbing the cobwebs in the corners so an outside intruder was discounted. The child was most likely killed in the house by someone living there. The case stinks to high heaven.
That was the conjecture originally, then forensics compared the underpants with a brand new, identical pair and decided the DNA most likely came from the person who packaged the underpants in China or whatever country they were manufactured in before they were exported .
She had stage 4 cancer diagnosed in 1993 & went through almost two years of treatment including chemo. Her daughter was murdered in 1996. I went through two years of chemo the worst most torturous treatment devised and I will tell you it takes years to think straight & get back to normalcy. So I often wondered, between the chemo brain & the shocking loss of her precious daughter, if she just wasn't always on the edge of hysteria & her thinking was impaired from prescribed drugs.
There was absolutely no reaction when interviewer said ‘your child was killed, Brutally’, surely you would flinch and show the pain and horror of hearing those words, even if you have heard them many times before.
Call the police she dies, talk to stray dog she dies, talk to anyone she dies, ok, let's call police AND invite all our friends and neighbours around....?
Who does that? I may call my nearest friend either geographically or emotionally but not a gaggle of house guests. Gee, it's as if they wanted to muddle up any potential forensic evidence!
I’ve had to call 911, not for anything as extreme as this but highly charged nonetheless. That 911 operator was my lifeline, my attachment to being sure help was coming. I kept talking and wouldn’t let her off the line until a patrol car pulled up to my curb. The idea that Patsy hung up to call friends is insane. She didn’t even verify they have her address correctly.
Chase: Patsy also says ‘Im THE mother’ in her call. Not HER mother. Regardless when calling saying your daughter is missing isn’t it implied your her mother? Just seems like an odd qualifier. What’s your opinion on this?
You’re mistaken. There were not “a lot of friends”. There were four, the Whites and the Fernies. Their priest came later. All arrived after the police who let them enter the house. From the very beginning the Boulder P D bungled this case.
I have taken 911 calls.. Occasionally I would have panicked callers hang up on me after giving base information. I don’t know why, maybe they just arent thinking, but sometimes it was tough to keep people on the phone in emergency situations.
Unless they're seeking reassurance, I don't think people see a reason to stay on the phone. When I have called in emergency situations, I have felt a strong need to get off the phone and DO something.
I get that (both above comments) but in many situations staying on 911 is the best option due to the specialized training many operators have that can actually help. Depends on the situation, but it’s usually best to stay calm and allow them to do their job to get you the very best help. It’s hard to send proper help to someone that doesn’t provide enough information.
I could see that as well because we don't want to remain on the phone in a panicked situation. To say it was to call her friends and you cant do that if you already on the phone, was to say her business was more important than police business at that time giving vital information they may need. She did it to get off the phone before being asked to stay on the line.
I found it odd that Patsy said "I'm THE mother" in the 911 call to the dispatcher instead of saying "I'm HER mother". it was as if she was stating her character in the story she was telling not her relationship to her daughter. Just an observation.
People need to learn southern elites family ways. The ironclad law is that nothing that could color the family negatively will ever see the light of day. These types will stash a mentally disabled relative in the attic, hide generations of sexual abuse, never show heightened emotion about anything. No cracks in a southern families armor will ever see the light of day. It's a throwback to southern style Christian fundamentalism - it's message that "bad things only happen to sinners". This murder, for her, was probably embarrassing in an odd way.
Except the Ramseys ARENT southern. They were from, and living in Colorado at the time of this case, and of this interview, and i believe theybe always lived there. Regardless, they aren't southern, I am though, and we're good hard working non child hurting people!! Especially our own children.
@@CountessKittenindeed. John is originally from Nebraska. Patsy is originally from West Virginia. Though they've made their lives in Atlanta Georgia (before business reasons for moving to Colorado) were it is southern. Maybe she picked up that way of speaking. Sounds like it to me.
there ARE numerous instances of whole towns knowing things and hiding the Truth. southern in particular...............but good for you if you aren't one of them. many families are. @@CountessKitten
@@JustMe-uu3bh to generalize that categorize that only pertaining solely to the South is unfair and quite frankly, narrow minded! I believe it happens everywhere, every day. Not more so in the South. So wrong. So ignorant.
Some people saying Burke was guilty, and the parents covered it up; I don't believe it. Go back and listen to the first detective on the scene and her account of John Ramsey, how he acted and how scared she was. Very bizzare behavior from the Ramsey's. Not only, but think of how the body was found. Who could even think to do that to their child just to cover for another child? A normal person would never do that. No way! If Burke had done it, and wasn't premeditated and just an act of quick anger on his part, not that much would have happened to him. Even so, I ask again, who in their right mind could defile the dead body of their precious child in that way? I truly believe there is much more here. I think some very sinister things were going on in that household and it's unfortunate we will never know; but God knows. The ransome note and the amount of money requested; so much doesn't add up. I still believe the parents were totally guilty and maybe there were others involved that they were covering for.
I would love to see the panel do some of these public health officials or politicians delivering public health statements regarding the current 'pandemic.'
Mark: You wouldn't be able to maintain heightened emotions for more than 10 minutes. 3 year old child: Hold my sippy cup. Also, when Patsy said "I'm THE mother" and not "I'm HER mother". Well, that tell you everything you need to know right there.
"Well, that tell you everything you need to know right there." It does? That doesn't tell me ANYTHING. And it doesn't tell you anything either. You are grasping at anything to confirm your existing opinion (your judgement of guilty). It's confirmation bias & nit-picking. I hope some day people judge you as harshly & as readily as you judge others.
Her behaviour is shocking in the total lack of outrage. Not only that, but lack of any appropriate affect at all. Her whole demeanor is defensive with a guise of calm. There is not ONE mention that they hope the perpetrators are found. Even when the interviewer attempts to get some response (probably unconsciously) from mrs Ramsey, Mrs Ramsey even then, fails to get emotional but actually says the word 'clinical'.
True. Are you a mom? I think these gentlemen do have some bias in the sense that they are trying to look at it very clinically themselves. Moms know other moms. We know what it’s like to turn around, not see your kid, and have all the awful scenarios run through your mind. Women were kind of built to be a bit neurotic, because dad can’t always be there to protect the young and your typical government agent has no concept of what it’s like to carry, birth, and raise a child. They can be affected by things emotionally, for sure - but the extreme closeness that women and their kids have in the early years of the kid’s life is well-documented. Given their lifestyle, dad was likely not around much, which, in reality, is quite common, given social expectations. Men and women approach parenthood much differently, and I think it really shows here.
Retired 9-1-1 dispatcher here. I am struck by how closely Patsy is listening to and answering the dispatcher's questions. That is not the behavior I experienced with distressed callers, especially callers who were reporting something terrible happening to a close loved one. They tended to speak too rapidly and in elevated tones as though they couldn't get the words out of their mouth quickly enough--hardly pausing to breathe. Often I would have to say "Slow down and take a breath so I can understand you". To me, it seems like Patsy has written a script for her call and is "acting" her part.
Speaking as someone who has unfortunately had to make a few 911 calls under extreme duress, I agree. True, sheer panic has a distinct sound and overall tone. You are reduced to nothing but raw, animalistic instinct. Any distinguished vocabulary is non existent. You're blurting nonsensical words, not carefully listening to and answering questions. True, some are more competent under extreme stress than others, but if you've been on either side, you can just tell. It's not really something you can explain.
I have seen the Ransom note and many samples of Patsy’s writing. She definitely wrote that note. It’s clearly her handwriting. But these people were “connected” in that area. Someone is lying when they say differently!!!
Too funny how P's attitude seemed to be ok with people. She was appalled that something happened to upset her perfect world. Whatever happened is twisted and sick and both the parents knew EXACTLY what happened...gotta save face when ya got big bucks.
I'm so sorry dear. I hope you are covered with love and support and if you ever feel sad. Just know it'll be okay. That's so very true though. This is so odd...
😢😢😢😢 I’m so sorry that you lost your child. My heart aches for any parent that has to endure that pain. Sending love to you. I believe you will be reunited with your child in Heaven. I hope I don’t offend you saying that. ❤️
If the police could have had access to him, he’d be the one to question quickly. I think it literally two years before the police could question them without a list of items their lawyers said were off the table. Who does that?
@@GeorgetownDCNative Oh okay. If it were me and I was truly innocent I'd do whatever it took to find my daughter's killer. Not obfuscate. John Ramsey moved that body. He knows better he's not a dummy. BTW is he still searching high and low for his little girl's killer like OJ? Don't think so.
@@kelseymariel2127 We'll have to agree to disagree. John Ramsey has children from a previous marriage. If he wanted to hurt children, why didn't he hurt his other children?
Weird awkward jealous Burke lashed out at his talented beautiful doted on sister when she grabbed a bite of his pineapple. Those mag light flash lights are heavy and strong, a 9 yr old boy who played golf and baseball could easily do a lot of damage with said flashlight, especially with years of rage behind it. There is a reason they continue to keep him out of the public spotlight. He definitely didn’t grow into a normal adult, the Dr. Phil interview proves that. The DA was either paid off, or was embarrassed at how badly the police bungled the original investigation. Patsy got her ultimate karma, the guilt brought her cancer back. John is living his best life, remarried and never looked back. Evil evil evil people all three. Poor Jon Benet...
@J S You would be different too growing up in that extremely dysfunctional home. Burke became invisible when they started the pageant circus. And after her death it was still all about her. Both of his parents were consumed with themselves. What chance has he had to develop in a healthy way? He needs to move away from his dad and take time to find his true self. Tragic. 🌺
Check out Martin DeCoder's channel. He's brilliant and discusses, in particular, speech patterns. He's a bit too much heavy on true crime for me, but his Stephanie Lazarus video is priceless. :-)
I always wondered why would the killer write and leave a ransom note while still in the house but mostly, why he left the body in the basement to be found obviously negating any money he might hypothetically receive.
Maybe it was two people. One was more interested in money and one more interested in the girl. I picture it being someone immature because of the note and references to movies.
It was Patsy who wrote it. No. Man would write such a long, detailed tome after a murder ! And he could not collect a random wirh rhe poor little mite dead.
@@priscillasalzberg5349 Patsy wrote it after she murdered her daughter using the note pad by her bed. The worst part is that Patsy garroted her daughter - which is particularly heinous.
I saw an interview with Patsy and her husband about a year after the murder. She answered every question in detail, even about how her daughter was found. and never shed a tear. But when the interviewer asked her If they ever find the killer, what should their punishment be, she literally lost it and started balling. Seriously, I figured it was one of the family, because of the response. Why would anybody describe the horrible death of their child calmly and then lose it when asked what should happen to the killer? No, one on that program at the time even commented on that, but I thought it was obvious.
By the Time Patsy and John did any TV shows Patsy was already being proscribed strong medications to help her get through the day and these dull your senses and emotions enabling you to function somewhat normally Patsy and John Ramsey only ever appeared on tv to keep Jon Benet's name in the spotlight in the hope that someone would see and understand the horror of her death and help them to solve the crime, Patsy knew every tiny detail of the crime because it was her child that had suffered this torture but she wanted the world to know all the details, many people thought her or john or Burke were responsible for the murder so she was defensive which if you had gone through the same horrors as they had you can bet you to would be to, she never did herself any favours by appearing on tv her depressed state filled with drugs to cope made her seem to many as over baring, entitled and controlling but she had endured months of being under the spotlight with people and Boulder police believing she was guilty to me she was brave to do a tv appearance in her state
@@marcellatoby I think it's different for everyone, the grief process, but i will say this: crying makes ME feel better. Shortly following their deaths, I was cried out of tears for my partner, my mom and my dad. I felt like I couldn't cry another tear. But then I would find something of theirs or hear a song we used to dig, or revisit a memory of one of them, and the tears would flow. I always feel better after a good cry.
That is strange. I know this is nothing like having your child killed because I want to cry just thinking about it. My mom was diagnosed with Dementia. I was responsible for taking care of her needs after she was put in a nursing home. Biggest regret of my life. The point is, all those years I cried so much and I still do thinking I could have done more for her. And the night she died was devastating. When we had the funeral I could not cry. Do you know it took me a year to get my tears back. I felt I was a terrible daughter for not crying. I felt a relief. And that was wrong. I loved her so much. Someone told me I used up most of my tears the years leading up to her death. And the night she died I was crying and apologizing to her. The preacher thought it was a coping mechanism. I guess we don’t t know how people will react. I just know loosing a child would just put me out. I don’t know why I shared that. Maybe it was her coping mechanism. But I don’t think so.
My 3 year old son was killed in front of me in a freak accident 31 years ago & I can’t recall a thing I said to the 000 (I’m in Australia) dispatcher. I know that I called my mother & husband when the paramedics were working on him. Even now, all of these years later, I feel panic & dread describing what happened. I’m a retired psychologist & I am completely unable to control those emotions; I can’t comprehend how someone can discuss the first moments of discovering her murdered child was missing so coldly!
Discovering she was missing and discovering she was murdered are two very different things, and this woman experienced both of them. If she's talking about being in the moment of one, she may not sound like you would expect her to sound while talking about the other. I think people underestimate the effects of time passing, and the effects of gaining strength and resolve. I went through a similar experience with two of my grandchildren. I send love to your family.
My heart breaks for you. But its possible to find a way out of that Hell and hurt in your heart and head and find a way to love yourself again. Yeah...just sayin
My mom used to use that to end the “but whyyyyyy!” From us. “Because I AM THE MOTHER” And you’d better shut it down and I mean NOW lol!😂 That one and “I Have Spoken” haha but you’re right! never otherwise. If referring to anyone about us, she would own up to us being hers😁
Speaking from some experience. Being a mother that lost their child and of course the first people they look to question is the parents. From my experience I experienced an initial severe panic and immediate reaction was to try and save my child even though a part of me knew she was already gone, I still tried. After 911 and detectives arrived they begin to question you an for me at least it was walking them through everything with honesty as it happened. It was hard to express any emotion as you are being questioned and recollecting. You're in shock. Still unable to fully process the nightmare you are living. I wasn't able to grasp onto losing my child until they finally allowed me to the hospital to speak with the doctor and get the full confirmation that she was gone. After that I was a mess. I was out of work for quite some time and I was unable to talk about it without my heart breaking and not able to control my tears. It wasn't until after 2 years that I was finally able to talk about it openly and not fall apart and even still sometimes. It's very traumatizing to lose your child.
Oh, my gosh, I cannot even imagine in my nightmares what you have been through. I hope you don’t mind me asking a question?I’m very troubled that I never saw a tear or even heard Patsy describe an emotion when she recalls the events. I totally hear your emotion, even in a short you tube comment. How do you feel about the parents’ demeanour? No worries if you don’t feel like answering. And thank you so much for letting us hear your own experience. I do so hope you’ve found some peace in your life
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 JOHN Ramsey moved that body from where it should have stayed. He compromised that entire investigation by corrupting the scene in the first place. The police had no idea they were dealing with a murder at that time. No one should have been allowed in that house until police arrived.
@@feewaybilz the note says “don’t even call the police or. she will die, we are watching you.” You don’t call all these people and have them drive over and have parked cars and police vehicles around your house if you’re truly horrified about a kidnapping.
I gave this some more thought and realized something. I believe someone in that house did this to JonBenet, that opinion hasn't changed for me. Of course the murder of this little girl disturbs me beyond words. But what also disturbs me is that I realized that she possibly could have been saved and still be alive. I believe she was struck on the head and knocked unconscious, for whatever reason by whomever. But instead of calling an ambulance and getting her to the hospital, the parents decided to kill her and concoct this absurd farce. The despicable cowardice and callousness of the Ramseys is beyond comprehension.
Then she would have been an imperfect child..no longer a beauty queen if she could have survived the initial blow..same reason they covered up for the other kid..couldnt allow the public to know the truth..but to go to the lengths they did with the staged crime is sickening. I couldn't imagine that..IMO.
I totally agree with you, and for some reason I think that pineapple was the start, didn't I hear something about her mother not wanting her to eat any fruit for some reason? I could be wrong and just thought I heard that somewhere.
That did not happen. The Ramseys were exonerated. No DNA, remember? Two different DNA samples were found on Jon Bennet. One was a Hispanic male, the other a white male. The facts are all we have.lets get beyond the parents and the little nine year old brother so we can find the real killer!
It looks like the panel is leading towards her being the murderer, rather than her brother.I think his weird behavior points to himself. He smiles when he talks about his sister dying. If he cared at all about his sister, he would not physically and mentally be able to put on an act. Like I read, he hated his sister because the mom loved her more than him.
@@debradavis9312 . .i agree that he had to have had some ill feelings toward her as a child, it would have been only natural. She was a beauty Queen and he was pretty much in the way . . But we can only imagine his problems competing with Jon Bennet AFTER she became a deceased celebrity. This is probably the most infamous unsolved murder in modern history. After all, he’s only human.
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STEVE DIECKHOFF DID IT. ROCK CLIMBER CHESS MASTER ODD JOB CARPENTER IN THE RAMSEYHOOD. STEVE DIECKHOFF. THE FAMILY IS INNOCENT. STAGED BY THE CLIMBER SBTC.
Jesus lets see u guys if ur kid gets murdered. Shock?
It makes zero sense to me to hang up on the 911 dispatcher. Alex Murdaugh did it too & he was in a remote area surrounded by trees - he should have stayed on the line to make sure first responders found his house?! He's guilty though; called attorneys to come to a murder site so they'd back off on his fraud & boat crash case - before calling Buster.
Re: Patsy Ramsey though.. hanging up on 911 to call "friends" is a guilty look too imo. At least make sure they find your house and don't need more information to speed up the process of finding your child for goodness sake.
Btw, 1st time here... loving your videos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! You have a new fan in Oklahoma.
That pageant crap is creepy in itself
No kidding.
Yes. I've read a great deal about this case. The note was written in a hand indistinguishable from Patsy Ramsay's. She also comes across to me as a covert narcissist, and they are typically jealous of their children, especially daughters. As long as Jon Benet made her mother look good, the beauty pageant stuff would have been acceptable to Patsy. Once the girl starts to grow up, the mother realizes the girl will take the ascendancy, I think she took action. No narcissist will tolerate being upstaged. The mother in this case had the most opportunity, and the means, and the motivation to commit the crime. Her coldness is typical of covert narcissistic behavior, and notice her appearance strives for perfection. Her husband acts like a co-dependent, and he lets her take the lead, coming in only when playing to Patsy's tune.
Narcs make perfect family storms, and notice also how much the child's death makes the mother appear to be a victim. He isn't acting like a victim. Covert narcs always want to be the victim. I don't believe Patsy Ramsey.... at all.
Yea she exploited her child
@@jeanettecook1088 I thought everyone knew it was the autistic brother
I agree, isn't it a southern thing? Very creepy it would attract many many pedophiles.. making little girls up with make up and all the rest...not GOOD
I think what stands out most to many people in this interview are two things: the lack of sorrow and the lack of transparency on the part of the parents. I think these experts were very thorough & competent.
A year later! She can’t be crying every minute for a year!
I disagree. I think the cops here, especially that woman (sorry to say, because people will take it to mean ALL female police are incompetent) was a total dumbass. Moved the body twice.
Good job.
Patsy was insistent that Burke did not come down the stairs while she was on the phone with 911. Why wasn't she worried about him by himself up there? That house is huge and a kidnapper could have still been in the house and could have taken him and gone down a flight of stairs away from the kitchen, or could have killed him and escaped.
I don't want to pass judgment but I don't feel the pain, suffering & devastation in this mother.
You know, sometimes I wonder if they found JonBenet's body and thought that Burke had killed her and tried to cover up for him. After watching your video on Burke's interview with Dr Phil I agree that he seems like he may have some autism spectrum issues and his parents would have definitely picked up on that when he was a child. By the time they figured out whether he had hurt her or not it would have been too late to go back and tell the truth so now we will never know. It's just a theory, obviously, but it makes the most sense to me.
I don't think he killed his sister. He's weird because he was a powerful but whipped dad and a over domineering mother who wanted a daughter more. Once JonBenet was gone you'd get the full brunt of Patsy and I bet she's one bitch of a mother.
Plus if your son is an accidental murderer do you really want to sleep in the same house with him? Doesn't add
I think a pedo did it and likely someone who was the help before. They had their daughter ringing the dinner bell for those types anyways
There was some documentary somewhere that said Burke had anger issues towards JB due to the attention she got. Even to the point of smearing feces all over her room. I do NOT KNOW if this is true - but allegedly according to a former housekeeper this is what occurred before the death of JB. I insist this is all alleged and may not be true.
I feel like I’ve watched enough UA-cam to solve every cold case in US history
Also she 100% would’ve stayed on the line if she didn’t know. It’s common to stay on the line to calm down
LOL brilliant 😂😂🌸🌸🌸
Right?? And I get mad when local cops dont talk to me
( out of professional courtesy)
I honestly believe I'm a trained NCIS officer
I've watched every episode of NCIS (all 3 in the franchise) at least twice
Hey if you're building a team I too have a UA-cam resume full of expertise 😎
Lol
I’m so enjoying these. I’d love to see you do OJ Simpson..
Why write a ransom note and leave the child behind you can only get ransom if you have the child
I would like them to give their opinion on Burke’s interview.
Yes!
Absolutely yes
I too am interested in their take on Burke's body language. From my uneducated observation; if you watch him in all of his publicized interviews, at his sister's funeral, without listening to the audio, you would never conclude that he was talking about a death. And, at the funeral (no audio, no context) he could have been walking in a parade from all one could gather from his body language. 🤷♀️Idk, don't come for me.
There is probably some thing , wrong with him , He’s seems like a sweet boy, but something about him not quite right!. Money buys a lot , friends , police, public people!! Just does .
Yes that would be a great one, I went looking for it thinking surely they have reviewed Burke's interview!
Please do the son, Burke⚘
Oh yeh, something fishy there.
I believe it was him. He comes across like a sociopath in his aunt videos.
I can imagine these two parents in full panic driven grief deciding they couldn't lose both children.
I also believe it was Burke.
Burke's smirking is what really gets my goats outta the barn!
I don't know if she murdered her daughter but she definitely knows what happened
-She said it true ‘This is a story only we can tell’, amen lady! It IS a ‘story’ only you can tell, not the TRUTH, which is what grieving people do, they want the truth, punishment and JUSTICE.
She DEFINATELY knew what happened. Everyone inside the house that night knew
It was said there was no foot prints ins the snow.
@@susanbrogan3267 19:41 or was it like Patsy says here? There was no snow. So there could be no footprints found in snow.
According to the autopsy report, Jonbenet showed signs of previous sexual molestation., which again likely points towards the parents.
Also, both children had bedwetting problems, Burke reportedly liked to throw feces etc ., these are signs of psychological problems. And keep in mind, the Grand Jury indicted both parents.
The police really messed up this case from the very beginning.
Note was in her handwriting. Multiple "practice" letters found in home. Guilty AF, use logic. You literally cannot explain away my first two sentences. I don't know WHO in the house actually did it, but the mother and father know and were involved. PERIOD.
I didn’t know that .. and they still got away with it. That’s outrageous, obviously had friends in high places
I would like to read more about all of the practice letters found...
There were one so called practiceletter with only half a sentence and if someone else tried to copy her handwriting it makes more sense than she would write so it could be identified and why would she need practise for doing that. Why would she keep pen and paper and the practice paper it doesn't make sense. Likewise the brush used as garotte....who do something so revealing not to mention the bonus sum ect. This are not stupid people who would the reveal themself?
@@lottesrensen8004 Nope. There were three, and with multiple sentences/paragraphs.
Writing the note is the guilt of a cover-up and obstruction of justice.
Could you do one where the suspect has been proven innocent after his conviction? It would be interesting to see what signs might have been missed.
such a great idea
Thats a good idea
@@patelden2522 thats rather a mean reply lol
A mother just got out of prison after 25 years for murdering her son and she was innoCENT all along. Her other Son became estranged from her as she was convicted of murdering his brother. Imagine that reunion. How do you put 25 years of being CONvinced that your own mother murdered your only sibling.. ?
@@patelden2522 Yeah, I'm willing to bet a lot of this stuff would be proven wrong.
OKay I disagree about hanging up on dispatch. I would totally hang up, because I'd be in emergency panic mode, and would want to run around the house frantically looking for my daughter, because I'd still be in a bit of denial, even with the ransom note staring me in the face. Talking on the phone is not what I'd be wanting to do during an emergency. My instinct would be action, after giving the address. There is nothing less soothing than the condescending tone of dispatch telling you to calm down when your child is missing.
I agree. Patsy gave all the pertinent information and the police were on the way. Why stay on the phone?
Love when Chase says “she’s into pageants...not about true beauty”
Patsy is more indignant about other people telling “their” story than she is that her daughter was murdered.
Spot on!
Yes covering up
She no longer looks like the parent who would do anything to find her daughter. She looks more like a guilty party trying to prove her innocence.
Truth
Exactly
They had already found her daughter dead. She wants to dispel the myths so that they will concentrate on finding her daughter. I like her . I dont agree with the pageants even for scholarships. But I think she has maintained herself in order to get their cooperation . If shes not at least polite the media would shut her down and she would get nowhere. Shes also aware that the public is already blaming the victim.You would not like to see me in that situation. Even knowing that I needed to be calm to get their help and support.....my mother bear paws would have left blood on the screen.
She died of cancer
@@danamillerhiggs4322 read some of the books written about this case and once you have some facts you might change your mind about this woman.
I remember back when the autopsy showed that JonBenet had been repeatedly sexually assaulter for a long period of time. Strange that we don't hear that anymore. Maybe it's because John Ramsay is wealthy and has threatened to sue anyone who reports truthfully on the sexual assault of JonBenet.
Someone needs to figure out what those initials mean at the end of the ransom note.
And, no, Patsy didn't murder her daughter. Whoever constantly raped her did it. When John Ramsey croaks, the Boulder Police Dept will be able to disclose the truth. Until then...
The rapist/killer may be amongst the police or judiciary. Many such cases.
Sbtc
Saved by the cross
After working as a dispatcher for police and fire for a mid size city for 15 years, that call is absolutely on point. That's how those calls go. Yes, she would hang up .it's very hard to keep callers on the phone after you tell them an officer is on the way.
I NEVER hang up from the dispatcher until an Ambulance 🚑 it a Police/,EMT is on the scene. If you have not learned CPR SO IT!! I'm older now and have kept friends going until the squad for there thank GOD 🙏🙏!!;The worst. About 30 years ago summer I awoke to my neighbor running up and down the street screaming for help. I ein out in my nightshirt. Something's wrong with RJ I can't wake him up. I knew where his room was. I went in, checked for vitals-none there was vomit around his mouth and on the pillow and lividity had set in. He had choked on his vomit. I called 911 back and explained what the condition of the deceased was. It was so heart wrenching to tell my dear friend that her 22 yr old son was dead. She had custody of her daughters 3yr old. He kept asking Why isn't Uncle RJ getting up? It's Pancake 🥞 day! I just took him with me until everything was in place for the funeral. So sad.
@@siobhannolan5822 Omg that is so freakin sad. RIP RJ
Thank you for the voice of reason Lori, I've heard other dispatchers say the same. Apparently it's why you guys keep reiterating "stay with me" etc.
That 911 call is 100% bogus.
@@claymac7895 So are you.
my 2 words would be--inside job
Someone in the family committed this crime -and they all covered for each other.
I'm gambling on the freaky son.
I concur.
Let’s not be so quick to point fingers, nobody was proven guilty. Also there were also a lot of employees and ex employees that had keys to there home.
read more, pay attention.
@Heidi Robinson I've been following this case for YEARS. Whoever did this, the dad knows. And covered for them (or himself).
Patsy says. I'm THE mother... Not, I'm HER mother...
13:39
So?
Listening to this, the Madeleine McCann "abducted child" case sprang to mind. Not many people warmed to the McCann parents either as they came across cold and defensive and unhelpful with the investigation. May there be justice for both Madeleine McCann and Jonbenet Ramsey........one day.
The McCann parents killed her. My dad was friends with one of the metropolitan police detectives that went out to Portugal. The general consensus was that it was a negligent accident(sleeping pill overdose ) but they got rid of the body, but the Portuguese police messed it up so much they didn’t have a case.
I agree the mother drugged the children and the father got rid of the body. The parents and friends gave conflicting accounts. The parents, especially the mother would not answer questions and the British Government got them home asap where they were not questioned by British police but have spent 14 million pounds covering up their crime. Felt sorry for the Portugese police.
I saw a report about this recently. He seems like a viable suspect. I believe he is a German citizen.
@@joannietrotter2344 you realise the killer has been arrested, right? They were favourable because they were right. The McCanns didn’t kill their daughter.
@@christinewilde110 so you don’t believe the man arrested for Madeleine’s murder is guilty?
I’d like to see some statistics on say 10 ransom cases and of those how many left the body in the home and not take it with them. ..as leverage. This always bothered me about this case. Who asks for ransom and doesn’t take the body (live or dead) with them.
Agree on wanting the numbers!
So let’s explore that - let’s say ransomer inadvertently kills JonBenet - after having been in the home for long enough to write the strange long ransom note, why wouldn’t he bring JB with him, in order to try to collect some money? Maybe he was a really odd pedophile-type who brought her downstairs, knocked her out with chloroform (or whatever, I don’t know), wrote the letter, then freaked out because he accidentally killed her - so he abandoned his plan and just left? (That was my belief at first glance when I saw John Mark Carr as a possible suspect several years ago) .... I also felt the same way about the Santa guy - the local guy who played Santa - but evidently both were cleared as suspects, but I could actually imagine the scenario playing out in that way.
Surely the stats would suggest that it is rare to have a ransom note and then just leaving the body/kidnapped victim behind, but shoot, there are almost no long letters as ransom notes .... so I’d like to know too. Smart.
Exactly! Why would a person kill a child, leave her there, then leave a random note? Remember the Lindbergh case? Left a note,took the baby, was later found dead. I don't think I've ever heard of a kidnapping/ransom case where the kidnapped victim is still there.
Agreed! And, hoe did the person know the exact about John's bonus was. I never understood that. Even if they had a maid, I highly doubt they would be telling her how much he made. Patsy doesn't come across as a person that would be friendly to a person she (may have) felt is below her. Granted, we don't what she was really like, but, this interview and her actions didn't put her in a good light.
@@abugsmom7623 Yeah. I always found the bonus bit another pesky matter, not to mention the length of the letter.
@@abugsmom7623 The fake "ransom" amount, his bonus pay, was done by Patsy to make it look like the writer knew the family, I believe. I have no doubt she composed the note. After "someone" accidentally killed the child, I think Patsy did everything she thought she should to make it look like a pedophilic ritual killing, but she got confused, crazed, panicky, and just too exhausted I think, to make real sense. This child died of strangulation and a fractured skull. Mr and Mrs R were the only adult in the house, and surely 9-year old Burke didn't have the knowledge of pedophilia or use of a garotte to make it look so brutal.
I think the lady is quite dissociated from her child. In a prior interview, she once stated, "I loved THAT child" (not I loved MY child). In this interview, when the 9-1-1 call is played, we hear her say "I'm the mother" (Not, I'm her mother.) Something just isn't right.
Just said the same thing! Too detached.
I thought the same thing. Why say that child, it sounds very ditched
@@whatever2105 yeah it isn’t as weird as people may think to speak in that way
the autistic brother did it but I don't think he meant for her to die.
The lack of sorrow always gets me...
I would have to say she’s pretty high on the scale of narcissism. At least that’s what I’m picking up. It’s all about her and how’s she’s perceived. Her being in pageants growing up could possibly explain this. The grandiosity in some of her statements definitely raises some red flags. It’s almost portrayed as, how dare you challenge me. And the death of her daughter has definitely put the attention on her. And narcissistic people will go to great lengths to get that attention they believe they deserve. Sometimes crossing that line into sociopathy. My answer is. Not all narcissists are sociopaths. But all sociopaths are narcissists.
And Patsy was the rat bag who did it. I get so angry when adults destroy their children. She was destroying her when she was alive.
This might be the greatest video I've ever seen. The presentation is impeccable. 4 guys talking about a subject without stepping on each other and jumping in.
I was a 911 dispatcher for 15 years. What most people don't realize is that the recording equipment begins recording a few seconds prior to the call being answered and also after it has been disconnected.
GOOD TO KNOW! And Patsy got caught because of it.
Even so the caller should be told help has been dispatched
@deborahleone4351 Well how did Patsy obtain male DNA that didn't match anyone in the family and leave it on her child? To think she did anything to hurt her child is insane. The City of Boulder issued a public apology to the Ramsay's. They were innocent and it's easy to see how Witch Hunts began 🤔
@@deborahleone4351 That audio tape has been enhanced ad infinitum. There’s nothing on it indicating that Patsy said anything to anyone but the 911 operator. You guys are so desperate to hang the blame on the Ramseys that you will grasp at any straw. The best computer programs on the planet have been unable to reveal any secret conversation.
@beckyreynolds1206 well...now some know ! Good or bad they do ? Some people it's not good.
The mother did not taser, molest and kill her daughter.
She is ex beauty pageant so very used to controlling any negative emotions and just offering something acceptable. She is conditioned to look her best at all times. So judging her by 'normal' standards just isn't going to work. We don't know if she went completely to pieces in private. In robot mode she appears to be very unlikable, and there is a bias against her for putting her little girl through the pageant circuit and maybe living vicariously through her in some way.
Fallopia yeah that is another thing she is so posed and cold the way she said I was crazy upset cause my daughter is still doing let s say pipi....? Right does she knows that some kids have that problems? .yeah I hope she didn't fake her death or asks to be gone !?.......well personality problems u know what they called it?... Anyway yes split personalities. Do that jeaulousy.
"she's not a very likable person". No kidding. She had a baby dressed like a 25 yr old model. She had vaneers in her mouth (her daughter) and wore adult style revealing clothing. I loathe mom's that do that.
I'm with you
Omg veneers?? Smfh
@@jeanandre6998 Ikr??
Veneers in her daughter mouth ? .. there is no proof of that and no dentist would perform that on a child... that's ridiculous.
@@mariemonk104 they are not permanent. Most of these little beauty queens have them. Do you honestly think that a 5 year old has a beautiful set of teeth like that. Do some research.
Three times I hear, “What did you do?” right after, “Hurry, hurry, hurry!”
That is what I heard.
Same, I heard "what did you do, what did you do" the panic heard in her voice on the 911 call was the panic thats natural. Im sure She was panicked on behalf of the person that committed the murder, it was her son, she was scared for him.
The son was just a little child at the time. They believed it was a pedophile who shortly after committed suicide.
That's what I think too
Parents aren’t going to protect their child’s killer....unless it’s another one of their children that did the killing. Especially, if that’s the only one they have left. We may one day learn who killed her. That is, if Burke one day confesses because he can’t live with the fact that he clobbered his sister over the head with a flashlight.
It is known that JonBenet was a bed wetter. Many of these children wet the bed because their environment is so stressful or threatening. I don’t know if we will ever know the truth but I think this was one of the most botched cases ever. RIP angel. No one can hurt you now.
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No that’s a misconception. It’s very normal for kids to wet the bed at that age. When my daughter has sleepovers almost all of her friends need overnight diapers, including my daughter. It’s when they get older and are wetting themselves at school and other places where then it “could be” due to underlying stress at home. And that’s not even a guarantee of abuse. So you have to be careful about judging a kid in that way.
@@victoriamarie9103wetting the bed once or twice, but every night at that age? That’s most definitely a sign of something going on.
@@victoriamarie9103this was not a healthy and normal home, look at the pageant photos, very narcissistic home. No child wants to perform like that.. truly sick.
A Family member was a bedwetter, & didn’t stop until twelve…Dr. visits, exams, no liquid after six, everything was tried..rubber under the sheets protected the mattress,,all lengths taken…out grown thankfully, & Dr.s diagnosis, was ‘Sound Sleeper”
Being an unlikable cold controlling person does not make you a murderer. Making an innocent child perform while dressed in a hyper- sexualised way with her hair and makeup like an adult does make you a child abuser in my opinion. What a sad story this is!
The woman was clearly obsessed with “appearances.”
Who ever thinks that these little girls looked sexy, are really a pedophile. However, I wouldn't put my little girl in pageants because of the perverts that are out there. I also think that sometimes the children don't really want to spend so much time practicing and would like to be just little girls.
And yet women still put their kids in adult cloths and expect pedi is not to come knocking
@@rbstark45 you’re absolutely right
@ Ruth Maynard
Patsy was living vicariously through her daughter. Wasn’t there signs of sexual abuse?
I'd really like to see what you make of Burke Ramsey's interview with Dr Phil. He displays some very interesting body language.
He’s just a different kind of a young man, I don’t believe he killed her, I think it was done accidentally by John or Patsy. I think he’s been molesting her & Patsy knew it & caught him & she flipped out & they got into a big fight & one of them accidentally killed her & covered it up
The phone call did it for me , they did it ! They covered it up !!
The one on you tube cuts the part out that he snuck downstairs that night after everyone went to bed to play with his new toy!!
BellaLeo, I would like the groups interpretation of Burke’s interview. I couldn’t watch much he gave me the creeps!!!
@@laurakyburz8165 Yes - some say it is because they believe he is on the autistic spectrum but I've never seen anyone on the spectrum behave like he did. Also he didn't appear to be on the AS in that footage of when he was interviewed as a child. I think there was some major jealousy going on with his sister. Jon Benet was the star of the show and he was sick of it. I think he injured her in anger. Then John Ramsy, thinking she was dying sped things up with the garrote and Patsy planned and carried out the cover up.
Do Patsy’s mannerisms remind anyone else of Hillary Clinton’s? Just me?
Yes.
Patsy was prettier than Hillary.
I have always thought this. Always wondered if they were related.
Hillary to me too.
Hellary is literally hopping with demons.
Logically, it makes no sense. You would turn in your spouse so fast if they murdered your child. The only thing that makes sense is covering for a guilty child.
I agree
Me 3!
While I think Burke did it, almost every week I see couples on the news being arrested for murdering a child. It is not unusual that couples protect each other in crimes. It happens all the time.
I don't know if Patsy killed Jon Benet or not but could some of her attitude may come from feeling blamed,trying to be accretive and take control and defend herself. Also licking her lips and swallowing hard could come from chemo therapy. I had a friend who had chemo therapy she said her mouth and throat was always dry. I witnessed her licking her lips and swallowing hard. Just a tid bit of information to think about.
I would be worse than her in the interview, I probably would say quite a few cuss words, so all the audience would here is bleep,bleep,bleep. I would defend myself too, but not be so composed.
I don't believe that Patsy killed her daughter but I think she knew who did.
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Absolutely and it all points to the son, sadly.
@@westcoastgal4078 My bet is on the father.
@@brendareed8412 curious, why do you say?
Yes
If you had a child kidnapped, as she stated in the beginning, wouldn’t you wait for Professionals to come and check the crime scene meticulously before you called in friends to come over and mess things up?
And more importantly, why wouldn’t you turn that house upside down looking for her? I would check every crevice in that house. Not to mention if one of my children was “missing” I’d want the other one in my sight or in my arms immediately. They just leave him up in his room staring at the ceiling apparently.
I think she wanted someone to come over and find her daughter's body before the police did. Insuring a messed up crime scene.
Where were the competent cops, tho? Not all are of course THIS stupid, but this is pretty much insanely stupid.
Move the body, not ONCE, but TWICE? Really?
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 John Ramsey had already destroyed any crime scene by removing the tape across her mouth and bringing her body upstairs.
@@kelseymariel2127 this exactly.....there was no need to worry about burke....they know who the killer is.....
Is it just me or when she is talking about the length of the ransom note, and how unusual it is, does she not almost say "I didn't realize..."?? Changes to "from what we understand" about minute 41
I think most of her behavior can be explained by the fact that she is a narcissist. It doesn’t mean she was guilty, but it explains almost everything you point out about her.
By that logic, all murderer's behavior can be explained by narcissism. Seven ones do not make ten......ten ones make ten. It's the sum of ALL of the behaviors, etc, etc.
VERY TRUE!
her ugly and better than narcissist attitude does or does not ya know what I mean
Totally agreed!
@@freedomfirst5557
That's interesting. I wonder how many murderers aren't Narcissists or Sociopaths?
There is an awesome psychologist , Dr. Ramani, who has tons of videos here on Narcissism etc.
A guy on medcircle, here interviews her about Sociopathy and Psychopathy and explains a bunch of very confusing psych terms. Some are traits, but not a diagnosis, are all Narcissists Sociopaths or are all Sociopaths Narcissists ......
@@angtxsun4460
Yes, I believe premeditation determines the degree of a murder charge.
I'm not sure about crimes of passion and anger management.
The laws regarding this vary greatly and reflect sociological, cultural norms, etc
I think I know what you meant regarding anger management.......literally not being able to manage anger in a specific circumstance. But it brings up what might be argued that if someone who has a history, and has been required to complete anger management training previous, should have been able to draw on their training. Or....would it be considered a mitigating factor?
You know you GOTTA follow this up with Burke Ramsey's Dr Phil interview!!! Omg!!!
He was a mess on dr Phil !! I’m with you on this!!! All that smiling? Weird...
Dr Phil doesn't allow anyone to use footage from his shows. Anyone tries it and they get shut down.
yes please!!!
That dude (or his father) is litigious. I don’t want them sued.
We can dream. 🤷🏼♀️
Love Mark’s impression of Margaret Thatcher! 😂
This case has always screamed INSIDE JOB to me. I just can't see someone sitting and writing that letter inside the house! Then to leave the body inside the house.
Right, even if she was killed in the process of getting her out of the house, they'd bring her body and pretend she was alive to get their money anyway. The intruder-kidnapper is a laughably bad cover up story.. yet it worked.. probably because of their status.
In the 911 call she says “I’m the mother” not her mother. Also doesn’t give her daughters name. 🤨
Also says we have a kidnapping or there's been a kidnapping. Weird to say. I would say someone kidnapped my child!
If my child had been taken and or killed, I would be a mess.
I agree. When my daughter was in high school she about 45 minutes late getting home. I was a mess and to this day, the thought of her having,been missing even a short time still upsets me. Because, so much could happen. I totally understand that's not the same thing. But, I've always felt they almost acted like robots, with little to no feeling. And, at some point and time, she took a nap?! Who takes a nap when you child is missing or found dead in such a short time? Unless she was drugged, most parents can't sleep. I'm not sure what happen but I think the parents know something. Imo, it was Burke. I understand that with autism there may not be much emotion, but, he acted like her death was no big deal, even as a child.
Still at the beginning of this video, but that 911 call, what always got me was her saying “the mother.”
I can’t get past that.
I’m 31 years old and had to go to the doctor recently. My mom filled out my forms, as I was too ill to do so. She didn’t see the back side, so the nurse decided to help. When asking our relationship, my mama replied, “I’m her mother.”
Additionally, another car hit mine a few months ago (this was all 2020, of course...) and I called my mom for a ride as my car was totaled. She barged past officers and exclaimed, “I’m her mother” multiple times.
Even as a child, she’s has never said she was “the mother.”
Those distancing words have chilled me to the bone to this day.
I think this was done because the other child was involved somehow. Then 'The mother' makes a little more sense. What do you think?
I always say when I’m doing form with my daughter “who are you”, “the mother”...I Call My Mom “The Woman Who Birth Me”...SonEveryone is different
Pageant crowds and acting term. She did seem broken or very disassociated even after the police left. My opinion is it is sadly common when how I see as profit or income from mom's job is #1 - make sure priority is on childrens' compliance with the industry rules. I don't believe they care who brings or trains the kids. Very sad and just wrong.
Nothing wrong her saying that.I say I'm the father.
@@yyxy.oncesaid yes, true, but it’s the context. My father would say the same thing when picking me up from school, but on a 911 call may be totally different.
Actually had to call 911 for my father about 6 months ago and when they asked my relation I said “I’m his daughter, he’s my Daddy” (insurance company needed the recording for their payout, and we got the copies too...). It all just depends
There are 2 red flags here, that didn't occur I would believe the "intruder" story.
1. Ransom note. What sort of stupid murderer or kidnapper would stick around in a house with everybody at home, turn the light on, and write a 3-page letter, risking somebody waking up and finding him there?
2. Hanging up on the 911 operator (!!!) to call friends to come over, while I know my house is a crime scene with important clues that must be analyzed by the Police and not destroyed by a bunch of people.. ( I can't imagine myself hanging up on the operator anyway while I've told them that my child got kidnapped, I would be on the line until the Police arrived telling them as much information as I could.)
These things alone already would indicate that the parents are involved.
1. There was another case a few blocks away of a little girl who woke up with a strange man’s hand over her mouth. He assaulted her and her mom came in and he jumped out of the 2nd story window. The father was out of town, and the daughter and mother had gone to the movies and out to dinner, and had been gone for several hours the police believe he had gotten into the house and waited for them all that time if they were gone and until they were in bed. The Ramsey’s house was enormous. Someone could have easily been hiding and they’d have never known. They had been gone all the previous night to a party.
2. Remember this was 1996. The general public didn’t know as much about crime, scene, investigation, police procedures, etc. like we do now because of social media and technology. Also, Boulder was a very small, seemingly safe town that had never had a murder until then, especially the murder of a child.
Just some things to consider.
@rnbygrace3274 I heard about that, it could have been the same person who killed JonBenet, but the parents are still guilty of misleading the Police. Maybe initially they thought Burke killed her, that is why they went that far like writing that stupid ransome note, and by the time they realized it wasn't their son it was too late to go back. So I didn't say they were guilty of killing their daughter, or Burke killed her, but the parents were definitely lying the whole time.
@@edinak5805The Boulder Police leaked a lot of lies about the Ramseys. They knew within 21/2 weeks of the murder that the Ramseys had not killed their daughter but they had already leaked these lies to the media. They were not about to come out and admit that they totally f’d this case up.
Another weird thing was they had all their friends come to the house and they were cleaning up and moving stuff so basically any possible evidence got contaminated. I am sure the father was smart enough where he wouldn’t let such a thing to happen unless that was his motive.
Another thing was the neighbors heard the girl scream in the middle of the night, the mother was up all night never went to sleep was packing for next day trip, yet she didn’t hear her daughter scream but neighbors did? If the mother was up she would have to hear the intruder and her daughter. Read so many books about this case and everything points to previous child sexual abuse as noticed and recorded by her pediatrician. There is so much evidence that most don’t know about but they go on lamenting about parents being innocent because they only know few things but try to be experts on a very complicated and troubled case.
Am I the only person that finds watching Chase, Greg, Mark and Scott not only fascinating but also a great way to unwind after a long day of work.
No you're not alone. Love these, can't wait for the next one.
This is the only show I've watched where zoom and split screens actually makes the content better!
They just relax me, just love watching them
Me too girl
@ Monica Coe
Sometimes they trigger nervousness for me. I am not sure why but sometimes it seems they lack empathy. Idk. But I enjoy their intelligence. 🌺
Thyroid cancer!!... I didnt know that Scott... glad you are ok now!
Thank you, Ruth. 👍🙂❤️
The women had stage 4 Cancer in remission. However. It finally killed her
They have new evidence a A-,holes
Who says "I'm the mother?" Should have been "I'm her mother." That part sounds like she reading a script in her mind.
To me, that sounds like “I’M the mother,” with a narcissistic emphasis on herself (attention MUST be paid) and minimal on her late daughter.
Yes your right. She shows her true self without even realizing it.There is something fishy about her.
I always think its super weird to parade your CHILD around on a stage wearingcfull make-up and evening gowns. I already don't like, and am super skeptical of them because of that. She seems to be a very vain and super-obnoxious person. VERY unlikeable.
Wow, I'd hate to have you on a jury, admitting your prejudice.
She had that little girl bumping & grinding, acting like a professional lady of the evening.
This is a very interesting discussion. I have always been very disturbed by this case, the family's behavior, and the mistakes made by the police/investigators. I think the way that little girl was paraded around like a miniature adult, is disgusting and nothing short of child abuse. Patsy was exploiting that child. Patsy obviously craved attention and status. John Ramsey was wrong not to protect his daughter from that lifestyle. I don't know if Patsy is guilty of any involvement in the murder of this precious child, but I sure find her behavior obnoxious, arrogant, and inappropriate. As a mother who has lost a child, I can not comprehend her lack of emotion, coldness, and choice of words. I hope the truth is revealed. RIP Jon Benet.
Jon Benet was only used as a tool by a flagrantly narcissistic mother. That woman wasn’t proud of Jon Benet’s accomplishments; she was only proud of how Jon Benet’s accomplishments reflected back on patsy from the outside world. That poor baby was still wetting the bed. What does that tell us about the kind of pressure that that woman was placing on her daughter’s poor little sexualized soul ? All about her. Did she even say Jon Benet’s name during the whole telling of “our story”……..ie……patsy’s story? She didn’t even get any tears during any of these interviews ever……I just find that to be totally shameful, unbelievable and cold-ass mean………unless she ___ it. Call it a feeling. But it’s a feeling which I can’t shake.
@Donna Montanare, first I want to offer my condolences for your tragic loss. As someone who has also lost a child,( our son Noah) I’m sure you will agree, it is a loss like none other on this earth. It is the most unnatural thing in the world to bury a child..So unnatural that there’s not even a word for it; it you lose your spouse you become a widow/widower, if you lose your parents you become an orphan, but no word for the parents loss of a child. Which brings me to lack of grief or sorrow from either Patsy or John. Granted I wasn’t interviewed, nonetheless, our sorrow is/was a constant in our lives. One thing I wanted to touch on.. (I’m not sure if it will be covered or shown here) but there was a family Christmas video Patsy had posted (?) that showed her with Burk and JonBenet in front of a Christmas tree. She introduces them …Patsy first, Burk in kind of an offhand mention, and then “And THIS IS JONBENET!” with more infliction than with Burk… I couldn’t help but feel that Burk was kind of the “spare” child. That is only MY honest opinion. I, very likely, could be wrong; but that is just how I feel/felt at that time.. ((( hugs))) Thoughts for you,again, at your loss.
Donna….I am so sorry.
@@lindap.p.1337 thank you so much
The ransom note is such a huge issue, not only because the handwriting looks so much like Patsy’s, but also because it’s written on her writing pad, and her pen...and there were many practice notes before the final note. As she herself said, ransom notes aren’t usually written on the spot, when they can get caught by staying any extra time.
All that, and what’s the point of a ransom note demanding money when you don’t collect.
It made no sense as to why she wasn't charged for covering up this murder.
All you need to do is prove she wrote the note and that guilt will show cover-up and obstruction of justice. Without any conviction for the murder.
I always thought the brother killed his sister , the parents found out, and did not want to lose both of their children so they protected him.
@Jill Gott, THAT is exactly what I have always felt, to my very core!
I agree- they didn’t want to lose their son, AND they wanted to protect his future from such a stigma.
I still think that could be true. I think the parents either knew who killed that poor little girl, and tried to cover it up because it was one of them, or they knew who the outsider was who killed that poor little girl, and they decided they were going to take care of the perpetrator themselves. All of their stage managing the situation from the very beginning, says to me they probably knew who did this.
@@ellecee453 Exactly.
Or it was an accident. They had to come up with some bogus story. In L.E. for 11 years and I call BS on the someone outside the family responsible for the girl’s death.
I am from the same state/culture in which Patsy was raised. I was also next-door neighbors with a friend of Patsy’s who was Miss WV the year following Patsy’s “reign”. As a point of fact, People magazine ran a photo of the wrong Miss WV during this scandal…it was my neighbor/friend who was a dead-ringer-look-alike to Patsy when they were young. In spite of all of these 2nd degree associations with Patsy, I still could feel little sympathy because I felt her interviews to be so highly suspicious. Our common friend never voiced an opinion on the case, so I was not biased by her, it was just a gut feeling. I hope I’m correct because I would hate to be thinking this if she was guiltless of harming her daughter, or at least having knowledge of the perpetrator of her daughter’s death. As a side note: I think these pageants for girls this young are abominable and do permanent harm to the girls…it’s repulsive to see them sexualized in such a manner.
I agree. The IMPORTANT takeaway from all this is to stop these horrible pageants & the sexualization of children. People should take all the attention they give to this case to working to improve the lives of ALL children! We'd have a much better world. But people would rather speculate & pass judgement based on confirmation bias because those things are EASY, whereas changing the world to make it a better, safer place is DIFFICULT.
I agree. Little girls in make up taught to move like adult women. Disgusting. 🤮 Should be outlawed. 😡 In this male controlled world...Uncle Pervy likes the pageants..so they will stay. Added is the photoshopping of babies with make up on.....:( now days. WTF..Only promoting pedophilia ..these women who allow it must be pretty naive.
Loved your Thatcher impersonation @Mark Bowden.
911call- I’m the mother 🤔. “The” mother. Sounds like she’s already processing the death of her 6 year old little girl. They were protecting someone. Perhaps themselves or another person that was in the house.
That hit me straightaway too. I’ve never said “the mother” when talking about my sons.
@@debracannon2163 Moms would never say that. We have 3 sons, all older than 19 now. I can never recall my wife ever saying that, and in that horrible situation I know my wife for a fact would say “I’m his mother”...She would say that forever
@@Wickhaven1 that mistake is quite understandable to a person whose mother tongue isn’t English.
Yea you never refer to yourself as the mother it is too formal and cold
She sounds like a mother who just discovered that her daughter has been kidnapped... Ffs
I like Chases 2 words... Guilty Knowledge.
As soon as the question was asked, my two words were "Cover Up". They both know what happened to their little girl, I believe the son killed his sister. That's where there's a lot of conflicting emotions, but their main concern is the protection of the son. That ransom note was written by Mrs. Ramsey, no doubt.
I have 2 words. She's guilty.
I don't believe them. The father says very little and the mother is like a control freak. It just doesn't add up. If your child disappeared out of the blue, most people would be miserable, depressed or on medication to deal with the trauma of it all even after 5 years. These two look fit and healthy and not a care in the world. They have a " its in the past vibe" going on. You never get over your children til the day you die. They are hiding something.
Patsy died in 2006.
In the year or so before JonBenet's death, Patsy had a remission of her ovarian cancer. She beat it. I think she wasn't going to lay down and take it.
Power attention money and there treating there kids like objects not human being
The whole family was completely cleared by the DNA evidence
SHE is. I don't think the father knew anything.
That WEIRD son, tho...? That kid gives me the friggin creeps something fierce.
Watch the other UA-cam documentary. There are several experts who talked to the 911 call handler, she said she heard voices in the background saying "Ok, we've called the police, now what?" and people arguing etc as well as a young boys voice (they always maintained Burke was asleep in bed during the whole thing). She knew something was off but was never asked to testify and placed under a gagging order. They also demonstrated that it was perfectly possible for Burke to have caved in the skull of his sister by recreating it with a boy of similar build and weight. It was even surmised that the murder weapon was a flashlight found in the house. The ransom note took over 20 minutes to write in a simulation, and several practice copies were found in the house, the paper and pen were from Patsy's table, and the handwriting and phrases used in the note match previous writing by Patsy. Why would anyone spend 20 minutes writing a note IN THE HOUSE during the commission of a crime? Totally bogus. The crime scene was purposely contaminated by the family and friends moving the body. It was also proved that no-one could have got in/out the broken window without disturbing the cobwebs in the corners so an outside intruder was discounted. The child was most likely killed in the house by someone living there. The case stinks to high heaven.
Exactly!
The child was SA proven by dna by someone outside the house though….
That was the conjecture originally, then forensics compared the underpants with a brand new, identical pair and decided the DNA most likely came from the person who packaged the underpants in China or whatever country they were manufactured in before they were exported .
@@jusjohnson6410 oh yeah ! I remember this
She had stage 4 cancer diagnosed in 1993 & went through almost two years of treatment including chemo. Her daughter was murdered in 1996.
I went through two years of chemo the worst most torturous treatment devised and I will tell you it takes years to think straight & get back to normalcy. So I often wondered, between the chemo brain & the shocking loss of her precious daughter, if she just wasn't always on the edge of hysteria & her thinking was impaired from prescribed drugs.
thats called karma
@@leisaparker8095 what??! That is absolutely ridiculous!
Patsy knows what happened
Patsy is dead.
Yes
There was absolutely no reaction when interviewer said ‘your child was killed, Brutally’, surely you would flinch and show the pain and horror of hearing those words, even if you have heard them many times before.
Call the police she dies, talk to stray dog she dies, talk to anyone she dies, ok, let's call police AND invite all our friends and neighbours around....?
Who does that? I may call my nearest friend either geographically or emotionally but not a gaggle of house guests. Gee, it's as if they wanted to muddle up any potential forensic evidence!
Exactly 💯 nailed it.
I’ve had to call 911, not for anything as extreme as this but highly charged nonetheless. That 911 operator was my lifeline, my attachment to being sure help was coming. I kept talking and wouldn’t let her off the line until a patrol car pulled up to my curb. The idea that Patsy hung up to call friends is insane. She didn’t even verify they have her address correctly.
Call your friends over because a "small foreign faction" will kill us all... 🤔
Chase: Patsy also says ‘Im THE mother’ in her call. Not HER mother. Regardless when calling saying your daughter is missing isn’t it implied your her mother? Just seems like an odd qualifier. What’s your opinion on this?
I noticed that too.
Agree. Almost like storytelling, “in this story, I’m The Mother. Not the killer, the kidnapper, the writer. Get it straight.” (?)
Ooh well spotted. I missed that but yes! Extremely odd!
They immediately call a bunch of friends to come over and contaminate the crime scene? Right off the bat it seems like an inside job.
You’re mistaken. There were not “a lot of friends”. There were four, the Whites and the Fernies. Their priest came later. All arrived after the police who let them enter the house. From the very beginning the Boulder P D bungled this case.
Any chance you could take a look at the brothers interview with Dr Phill?
The fact that Dr. PHIL defended that psycho was odd. However it was that freak as a child out of resentment for taking away the mother's attention
Please do John Bennett Ramsey now that mother & son are done. Thank you ❗
I have taken 911 calls.. Occasionally I would have panicked callers hang up on me after giving base information. I don’t know why, maybe they just arent thinking, but sometimes it was tough to keep people on the phone in emergency situations.
Unless they're seeking reassurance, I don't think people see a reason to stay on the phone. When I have called in emergency situations, I have felt a strong need to get off the phone and DO something.
I get that (both above comments) but in many situations staying on 911 is the best option due to the specialized training many operators have that can actually help. Depends on the situation, but it’s usually best to stay calm and allow them to do their job to get you the very best help. It’s hard to send proper help to someone that doesn’t provide enough information.
I could see that as well because we don't want to remain on the phone in a panicked situation. To say it was to call her friends and you cant do that if you already on the phone, was to say her business was more important than police business at that time giving vital information they may need.
She did it to get off the phone before being asked to stay on the line.
I found it odd that Patsy said "I'm THE mother" in the 911 call to the dispatcher instead of saying "I'm HER mother". it was as if she was stating her character in the story she was telling not her relationship to her daughter. Just an observation.
That's exactly what i picked out, the first time i heard this years ago. So odd
You're right. Good catch.
And a very observant one.
@graeme4896 .ha! What a crock.
Patsey Ramsey also said, "The Ransom note" not a ransom note. Maybe that's her way of speaking. She substitues "the" for "a".
People need to learn southern elites family ways. The ironclad law is that nothing that could color the family negatively will ever see the light of day. These types will stash a mentally disabled relative in the attic, hide generations of sexual abuse, never show heightened emotion about anything. No cracks in a southern families armor will ever see the light of day. It's a throwback to southern style Christian fundamentalism - it's message that "bad things only happen to sinners".
This murder, for her, was probably embarrassing in an odd way.
Except the Ramseys ARENT southern. They were from, and living in Colorado at the time of this case, and of this interview, and i believe theybe always lived there. Regardless, they aren't southern, I am though, and we're good hard working non child hurting people!! Especially our own children.
Yet so many do stuff right out in the open for all to see, in front of God and everybody!
@@CountessKittenindeed. John is originally from Nebraska. Patsy is originally from West Virginia. Though they've made their lives in Atlanta Georgia (before business reasons for moving to Colorado) were it is southern. Maybe she picked up that way of speaking. Sounds like it to me.
there ARE numerous instances of whole towns knowing things and hiding the Truth. southern in particular...............but good for you if you aren't one of them. many families are. @@CountessKitten
@@JustMe-uu3bh to generalize that categorize that only pertaining solely to the South is unfair and quite frankly, narrow minded! I believe it happens everywhere, every day. Not more so in the South. So wrong. So ignorant.
Some people saying Burke was guilty, and the parents covered it up; I don't believe it. Go back and listen to the first detective on the scene and her account of John Ramsey, how he acted and how scared she was. Very bizzare behavior from the Ramsey's. Not only, but think of how the body was found. Who could even think to do that to their child just to cover for another child? A normal person would never do that. No way! If Burke had done it, and wasn't premeditated and just an act of quick anger on his part, not that much would have happened to him. Even so, I ask again, who in their right mind could defile the dead body of their precious child in that way? I truly believe there is much more here. I think some very sinister things were going on in that household and it's unfortunate we will never know; but God knows. The ransome note and the amount of money requested; so much doesn't add up. I still believe the parents were totally guilty and maybe there were others involved that they were covering for.
I agree.
Exactly! Well said. This has always had John and Patsy all over it since the day it happened. Bless that poor kid.
I agree to all of this as well
Great comment, my thoughts exactly.
i dont believe burke did it because theres no way that weird kid would have been able to keep his mouth shut about it.....
She reminds me of Hillary Clinton in some of her....presentations.
Interesting, I agree! And my husband was just mentioning this last night!
SAME!!!
Brilliant
killery klinton
John and epstein connections
Yeah the head nodding, condescending manner by which she talks down to others.
I would love to see the panel do some of these public health officials or politicians delivering public health statements regarding the current 'pandemic.'
Agree100%
It's a pandemic, not a "pandemic"
She said 'pandemic' not "pandemic"
Good idea
@@matjohn4092 she said ‘pandemic.’ Not ‘pandemic’.
Mark: You wouldn't be able to maintain heightened emotions for more than 10 minutes.
3 year old child: Hold my sippy cup.
Also, when Patsy said "I'm THE mother" and not "I'm HER mother". Well, that tell you everything you need to know right there.
"Well, that tell you everything you need to know right there." It does? That doesn't tell me ANYTHING. And it doesn't tell you anything either. You are grasping at anything to confirm your existing opinion (your judgement of guilty). It's confirmation bias & nit-picking. I hope some day people judge you as harshly & as readily as you judge others.
Her behaviour is shocking in the total lack of outrage. Not only that, but lack of any appropriate affect at all. Her whole demeanor is defensive with a guise of calm. There is not ONE mention that they hope the perpetrators are found. Even when the interviewer attempts to get some response (probably unconsciously) from mrs Ramsey, Mrs Ramsey even then, fails to get emotional but actually says the word 'clinical'.
True. Are you a mom? I think these gentlemen do have some bias in the sense that they are trying to look at it very clinically themselves. Moms know other moms. We know what it’s like to turn around, not see your kid, and have all the awful scenarios run through your mind. Women were kind of built to be a bit neurotic, because dad can’t always be there to protect the young and your typical government agent has no concept of what it’s like to carry, birth, and raise a child. They can be affected by things emotionally, for sure - but the extreme closeness that women and their kids have in the early years of the kid’s life is well-documented. Given their lifestyle, dad was likely not around much, which, in reality, is quite common, given social expectations.
Men and women approach parenthood much differently, and I think it really shows here.
Retired 9-1-1 dispatcher here. I am struck by how closely Patsy is listening to and answering the dispatcher's questions. That is not the behavior I experienced with distressed callers, especially callers who were reporting something terrible happening to a close loved one. They tended to speak too rapidly and in elevated tones as though they couldn't get the words out of their mouth quickly enough--hardly pausing to breathe.
Often I would have to say "Slow down and take a breath so I can understand you".
To me, it seems like Patsy has written a script for her call and is "acting" her part.
No exceptions? Maybe she was forcing herself to get thru it so she could look for her daughter?
Speaking as someone who has unfortunately had to make a few 911 calls under extreme duress, I agree. True, sheer panic has a distinct sound and overall tone. You are reduced to nothing but raw, animalistic instinct. Any distinguished vocabulary is non existent. You're blurting nonsensical words, not carefully listening to and answering questions. True, some are more competent under extreme stress than others, but if you've been on either side, you can just tell. It's not really something you can explain.
I'm always suspicious of a person who hangs up on the 911 operator. If you're in crises you hang on to every word they say.
@@angtxsun4460 3 pages! crazy.
@@Justiceforpets there are patterns to look for. behavior/linguistic data is a science.
I appreciate that you are listening to your fans. Thanks for this one. Love you guys.😊
Oh no, don’t forget... If you don’t watch? We have no “show”. Thank you for watching it. ❤️
Totally agree!
Yes!!!
Please do John Bennett Ramsey.
I have seen the Ransom note and many samples of Patsy’s writing. She definitely wrote that note. It’s clearly her handwriting. But these people were “connected” in that area. Someone is lying when they say differently!!!
Too funny how P's attitude seemed to be ok with people. She was appalled that something happened to upset her perfect world. Whatever happened is twisted and sick and both the parents knew EXACTLY what happened...gotta save face when ya got big bucks.
Google "Chris Wolf handwriting". What do you think?
As a mother who lost a child, I couldn't pull myself together 4 almost 3 years!!
I'm so sorry dear. I hope you are covered with love and support and if you ever feel sad. Just know it'll be okay.
That's so very true though. This is so odd...
😢😢😢😢 I’m so sorry that you lost your child. My heart aches for any parent that has to endure that pain. Sending love to you. I believe you will be reunited with your child in Heaven. I hope I don’t offend you saying that. ❤️
My grandmother lost her youngest child (my uncle & best friend). He had epileptic seizure & drown in the bathtub. She NEVER got over it.
I wish we could see her husband’s face while she is talking.
The fact that she talks over him so repeatedly is a form of body language as well.
If the police could have had access to him, he’d be the one to question quickly. I think it literally two years before the police could question them without a list of items their lawyers said were off the table. Who does that?
@@kelseymariel2127
Innocent parents who don't want to be framed while their daughter's real killer walks free unimpeded and unaccountable.
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@@GeorgetownDCNative Oh okay. If it were me and I was truly innocent I'd do whatever it took to find my daughter's killer. Not obfuscate. John Ramsey moved that body. He knows better he's not a dummy. BTW is he still searching high and low for his little girl's killer like OJ? Don't think so.
@@kelseymariel2127
We'll have to agree to disagree.
John Ramsey has children from a previous marriage. If he wanted to hurt children, why didn't he hurt his other children?
Weird awkward jealous Burke lashed out at his talented beautiful doted on sister when she grabbed a bite of his pineapple. Those mag light flash lights are heavy and strong, a 9 yr old boy who played golf and baseball could easily do a lot of damage with said flashlight, especially with years of rage behind it.
There is a reason they continue to keep him out of the public spotlight. He definitely didn’t grow into a normal adult, the Dr. Phil interview proves that.
The DA was either paid off, or was embarrassed at how badly the police bungled the original investigation.
Patsy got her ultimate karma, the guilt brought her cancer back. John is living his best life, remarried and never looked back. Evil evil evil people all three.
Poor Jon Benet...
😪😥
I agree with all of this
I think he did it! he is creepy and gives off creepy vibes.
Agreed. Burke is not normal.
@J S
You would be different too growing up in that extremely dysfunctional home. Burke became invisible when they started the pageant circus. And after her death it was still all about her. Both of his parents were consumed with themselves.
What chance has he had to develop in a healthy way? He needs to move away from his dad and take time to find his true self. Tragic. 🌺
Are the people who know what they are doing the same ones who let the crime scene be severely compromised?
Love you guys! Suggestion for future analysis: Missing child, Kyron Horman's step mother interviews. Thanks for sharing your expertise!!
Please do a video on Nicole Kessinger from the family Watts murdered
Check out Martin DeCoder's channel. He's brilliant and discusses, in particular, speech patterns. He's a bit too much heavy on true crime for me, but his Stephanie Lazarus video is priceless. :-)
I always wondered why would the killer write and leave a ransom note while still in the house but mostly, why he left the body in the basement to be found obviously negating any money he might hypothetically receive.
Maybe it was two people. One was more interested in money and one more interested in the girl. I picture it being someone immature because of the note and references to movies.
@@fayejordan175 yeah someone like the brother.
It was Patsy who wrote it. No. Man would write such a long, detailed tome after a murder ! And he could not collect a random wirh rhe poor little mite dead.
He didn't write the ransom note while inside the house. He wrote it before entering the house.
@@priscillasalzberg5349 Patsy wrote it after she murdered her daughter using the note pad by her bed. The worst part is that Patsy garroted her daughter - which is particularly heinous.
Patsy has always rubbed me the wrong way.
Can you gentlemen analyse Burkes interview? That would be very interesting!
He's creepy A.F.!
I think he is the one who did it. The parents are just covering.
@@hjtres7261 Same
I saw an interview with Patsy and her husband about a year after the murder. She answered every question in detail, even about how her daughter was found. and never shed a tear. But when the interviewer asked her If they ever find the killer, what should their punishment be, she literally lost it and started balling. Seriously, I figured it was one of the family, because of the response. Why would anybody describe the horrible death of their child calmly and then lose it when asked what should happen to the killer? No, one on that program at the time even commented on that, but I thought it was obvious.
Sometimes we have to stop crying..I am an example of that.I cried all my tears away..It does not do any good for anyone.
By the Time Patsy and John did any TV shows Patsy was already being proscribed strong medications to help her get through the day and these dull your senses and emotions enabling you to function somewhat normally Patsy and John Ramsey only ever appeared on tv to keep Jon Benet's name in the spotlight in the hope that someone would see and understand the horror of her death and help them to solve the crime, Patsy knew every tiny detail of the crime because it was her child that had suffered this torture but she wanted the world to know all the details, many people thought her or john or Burke were responsible for the murder so she was defensive which if you had gone through the same horrors as they had you can bet you to would be to, she never did herself any favours by appearing on tv her depressed state filled with drugs to cope made her seem to many as over baring, entitled and controlling but she had endured months of being under the spotlight with people and Boulder police believing she was guilty to me she was brave to do a tv appearance in her state
@@marcellatoby I think it's different for everyone, the grief process, but i will say this: crying makes ME feel better. Shortly following their deaths, I was cried out of tears for my partner, my mom and my dad. I felt like I couldn't cry another tear. But then I would find something of theirs or hear a song we used to dig, or revisit a memory of one of them, and the tears would flow. I always feel better after a good cry.
Interesting observation
That is strange. I know this is nothing like having your child killed because I want to cry just thinking about it. My mom was diagnosed with Dementia. I was responsible for taking care of her needs after she was put in a nursing home. Biggest regret of my life. The point is, all those years I cried so much and I still do thinking I could have done more for her. And the night she died was devastating. When we had the funeral I could not cry. Do you know it took me a year to get my tears back. I felt I was a terrible daughter for not crying. I felt a relief. And that was wrong. I loved her so much. Someone told me I used up most of my tears the years leading up to her death. And the night she died I was crying and apologizing to her. The preacher thought it was a coping mechanism. I guess we don’t t know how people will react. I just know loosing a child would just put me out. I don’t know why I shared that. Maybe it was her coping mechanism. But I don’t think so.
My 3 year old son was killed in front of me in a freak accident 31 years ago & I can’t recall a thing I said to the 000 (I’m in Australia) dispatcher. I know that I called my mother & husband when the paramedics were working on him. Even now, all of these years later, I feel panic & dread describing what happened. I’m a retired psychologist & I am completely unable to control those emotions; I can’t comprehend how someone can discuss the first moments of discovering her murdered child was missing so coldly!
Yeah, you're right. Also, god blessed your lost soul... I believe he is in the best seat in heaven right now
Oh my God I'm so very sorry for the terrible loss you have had to endure. 😥
As a mother I just broke reading this. I could t imagine! You’re stronger than you know! God Bless!
Discovering she was missing and discovering she was murdered are two very different things, and this woman experienced both of them. If she's talking about being in the moment of one, she may not sound like you would expect her to sound while talking about the other. I think people underestimate the effects of time passing, and the effects of gaining strength and resolve.
I went through a similar experience with two of my grandchildren. I send love to your family.
My heart breaks for you. But its possible to find a way out of that Hell and hurt in your heart and head and find a way to love yourself again. Yeah...just sayin
When she said “I’m THE mother”: Not “I’m HER mother”.... 🚩
@@notinadequate2119 exactly what I would say. 'The Mother' sounds like distancing and maybe narcissism - Patsy having to make it about herself.
My mom used to use that to end the “but whyyyyyy!” From us. “Because I AM THE MOTHER”
And you’d better shut it down and I mean NOW lol!😂
That one and “I Have Spoken” haha
but you’re right! never otherwise. If referring to anyone about us, she would own up to us being hers😁
Semantics.
Speaking from some experience. Being a mother that lost their child and of course the first people they look to question is the parents. From my experience I experienced an initial severe panic and immediate reaction was to try and save my child even though a part of me knew she was already gone, I still tried. After 911 and detectives arrived they begin to question you an for me at least it was walking them through everything with honesty as it happened. It was hard to express any emotion as you are being questioned and recollecting. You're in shock. Still unable to fully process the nightmare you are living. I wasn't able to grasp onto losing my child until they finally allowed me to the hospital to speak with the doctor and get the full confirmation that she was gone. After that I was a mess. I was out of work for quite some time and I was unable to talk about it without my heart breaking and not able to control my tears. It wasn't until after 2 years that I was finally able to talk about it openly and not fall apart and even still sometimes. It's very traumatizing to lose your child.
I am so sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss..
So so sorry for your loss
Oh, my gosh, I cannot even imagine in my nightmares what you have been through. I hope you don’t mind me asking a question?I’m very troubled that I never saw a tear or even heard Patsy describe an emotion when she recalls the events. I totally hear your emotion, even in a short you tube comment. How do you feel about the parents’ demeanour?
No worries if you don’t feel like answering. And thank you so much for letting us hear your own experience. I do so hope you’ve found some peace in your life
My condolences.
This was a great video! I’m so curious to know what you guys thought about Burke’s behaviour during his infamous Dr. Phil episode
John licks his lips like a lizard! He does that to this day when asked about his child. It’s weird
It seems weird to immediately call sets of friends to help before the police even have time to respond....
And for the most part, the cops who showed up DRASTICALLY compromised the investigation. "Move the body."
TWICE!!
Not if your friends are in the neighborhood and they can help look for her or they may have seen something or she may have run to their house
Exactly!!!!
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 JOHN Ramsey moved that body from where it should have stayed. He compromised that entire investigation by corrupting the scene in the first place. The police had no idea they were dealing with a murder at that time. No one should have been allowed in that house until police arrived.
@@feewaybilz the note says “don’t even call the police or. she will die, we are watching you.” You don’t call all these people and have them drive over and have parked cars and police vehicles around your house if you’re truly horrified about a kidnapping.
I gave this some more thought and realized something. I believe someone in that house did this to JonBenet, that opinion hasn't changed for me. Of course the murder of this little girl disturbs me beyond words. But what also disturbs me is that I realized that she possibly could have been saved and still be alive. I believe she was struck on the head and knocked unconscious, for whatever reason by whomever. But instead of calling an ambulance and getting her to the hospital, the parents decided to kill her and concoct this absurd farce. The despicable cowardice and callousness of the Ramseys is beyond comprehension.
Then she would have been an imperfect child..no longer a beauty queen if she could have survived the initial blow..same reason they covered up for the other kid..couldnt allow the public to know the truth..but to go to the lengths they did with the staged crime is sickening. I couldn't imagine that..IMO.
I totally agree with you, and for some reason I think that pineapple was the start, didn't I hear something about her mother not wanting her to eat any fruit for some reason? I could be wrong and just thought I heard that somewhere.
That did not happen. The Ramseys were exonerated. No DNA, remember? Two different DNA samples were found on Jon Bennet. One was a Hispanic male, the other a white male. The facts are all we have.lets get beyond the parents and the little nine year old brother so we can find the real killer!
It looks like the panel is leading towards her being the murderer, rather than her brother.I think his weird behavior points to himself. He smiles when he talks about his sister dying. If he cared at all about his sister, he would not physically and mentally be able to put on an act. Like I read, he hated his sister because the mom loved her more than him.
@@debradavis9312 . .i agree that he had to have had some ill feelings toward her as a child, it would have been only natural. She was a beauty Queen and he was pretty much in the way . . But we can only imagine his problems competing with Jon Bennet AFTER she became a deceased celebrity. This is probably the most infamous unsolved murder in modern history. After all, he’s only human.