I think it forgives normal level story, but it dosent forgive bad writing, i think movies can be good based on animation alone tho. But that dosent change bad writing.
@@arinhossain2100Absolutely not. The first live action is still great, this is better than the 2nd and 3rd ones but it's not even better than animated TMNT 07 which had bad writing and a bad villain too.
@@1D4ever absolutely yes. The first live action is good but no way it's better then Mutant Mayhem. Mutant Mayhem is better then all TMNT movies that came before it. The reviews for Mutant Mayhem are positive. Reviews speak for themselves. Everyone likes Mutant Mayhem more. It even got the higher rotten tomatoes score of any TMNT movie with 97%. So the majority would say Mutant Mayhem is better. Don't get fooled by nostalgia Get a doctor and suck a c=8.
8:10 Splinter says “first we’re gonna clean up your mess, then we’re going home” That’s what you missed, Splinter wants to keep the turtles separate from humans but knows that they’re capable enough in fights that they can handle some bad guys because he… you know, trained them to fight bad guys
That was like a CinemaSins level of critical misunderstanding, and they maintain that they're only pretending to be morons for clout... or something. Like if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he was yawning during that line so he completely missed it, why in the world would he focus so much on it and claim that a scene was missing, rather than thinking "Gee, I guess I missed something?"
@@Wendy_O._Koopayeah i watched the movie like four days ago and i can still remember splinter justifying since april was the only good human they needed to save everyone. This youtuber kinda delegitimises any argument he has for why this is bad when he cant even follow a basic plot and devotes half a video to it
For me, a movie could be as poorly animated as possible, as long as the story and characters are really good, and despite those little plot bumps you mentioned, I feel like the story of acceptance and learning to be a family, was handled really well. Also, at 7:56 - 8:21 Splinter actually did say they were going to stop Super Fly, and THEN go stay in the sewers forever. Guess you just missed it.
Yeah, he also completely missed some really obvious things??? Like April’s arc of being able to overcome her fear of being on camera to help the turtles?? The theme of doing the right thing even if you don’t get any recognition for it?? The fact that it’s, yknow, an ACTION COMEDY by NICKELODEON and it’s not going to have the same level of story as spiderverse??? Ngl i usually like his videos but it felt like he watched the movie with a blindfold for half of it :/
@@neogranzongwith the different artstyles being more commonplace i would wait for the time where an animated movie has the style of ps2 games and has cinematic masterpiece level writing
this film is NOT copying the Spider-Verse style. I'm sick of hearing that. Spider-Verse may have inspired lots of films to have an experimental look where SOME aspects are similar like combining 2D and 3D, using smears and multuples, and animation on 2s, but none of them have the EXACT same style Spider-Verse tries to look like a comic book come to life. Mutant Mayhem tries to look like a teenager's notebook sketches come to life and it works so well. its style embraces imperfection even more than Spider-Verse by having the film look very scribble-y and messy and making almost every character design ugly and abstract (in the best way possible). It makes them all look so unique and distinct and you can tell what their personality is when looking at them
also "it's the new boss baby design" dude, what are you TALKING about?? these movies have completely different styles and Mutant Mayhem avoids that typical soft, smooth, semi-real CG character design we've been used to for years
I hate how the same people who hype spiderverse for inspiring a new era of animation, turn around and complain when movies look unique. How you gonna go from praising that to calling any movie that has the slightest passing resemblance a copycat
This!!! Every movie with this “”spiderverse”” style puts a unique spin on it!!!!! Puss in Boots 2 was like a watercolor painting, Spiderverse was a comic book come to life, and Mutant Mayhem is, as you said, a teenager’s notebook sketches. I also definitely see some inspiration from street art in the movie
Dazz, i love your videos man but i don't agree that there isn't a plot. Idk if you were tired and like half asleep, idk if you just weren't paying attention or something but 1. Splinter outright said something along the lines of "as soon as we stop superfly from hurting the humans and April, you stop leaving the sewers and stay out of trouble!" 2. The reason why superfly mutated was outwardly spoken, mondo gecko literally said something like "uh dudes, what happens when a supermachine made to mutate animals blows up in the ocean where there's fish?" And 3. At least in this movie, there was a small change of character in them (which was once again was outwardly spoken, when leo and April said that what they were doing was done for selfish reasons (also probably when raph said Leo sounded like an actual leader)) because it was like you said an origin story AND it was also about being accepted. Also the animation style is more along the lines of puss in boots but like the animators said "it's supposed to be a sort of hand drawn kid's artstyle" due to the scribbles misshapen proportions etc
When Splinter realizes he shares Superfly's view of humans as irredeemable, he realizes the poison at the center of that view and resolves to give his son's a chance at happiness. Sure it was ham-fisted but it was there. I also really liked how April was determined to never be on camera again, but when the turtles needed her she crashed a broadcast and pushed through her anxiety even though she still vomited.
I can only think of a couple points in the movie where I would call the writing is straight up bad. Otherwise, I can't think of any plots hole, the characters were consistent, motivations were clear, etc. An argument I can somewhat agree with is a shortage of depth in Mutant Mayhem's story and characters. That is not to say that there is lack of depth in Mutant Mayhem. Take Leonardo. He is the "straight arrow" character, the "Boy Scout". He is the most mature of the four, he wants to do the right thing, he is a romantic, and he wants to be a good example to his brothers. But, like them, he is lonely. He loves his siblings, but he is a different person than them, he has different interests. He wants to be a part of the human world as much as they do. He is also sensitive and does not want to be seen as "not cool", so despite his moral compass he sometimes gives into peer pressure. He is a layered character.
It forgives a light story, but not bad writing. Look at Mario for example, visually looks gorgeous and accurate to a very appealing world everyone loves, but it is very light on story. Who cares tho, it was a fun time. Turtles had a deeper story, but the writing was a flat at times and felt like it was trying too hard to be modern. But again, like Mario, we love this world and characters, and the animation was great, so at the end of the day if you had a fun time, why knock it.
You're off the mark on this one. Mutant Mayhem had an amazingly tight plot, didn't drag on, got in and told a really fun and endearing story in 90-ish minutes with great animation then peaced out.
@@artbytesia I don't know wether to be either im or de pressed at this news but I've looked it up and I must question how this flew under my radar but honestly I wish it did.
Frozen has flaws but I don't think it's fair to pair it with ice age 5 lol. There are many terrible films out there to use as an example and I just don't think frozen is one of them.
the movie imo is meant to be a sort of pilot for the main series that's coming out next year. Set up the characters, story, world, etc. Also it's tmnt, if it isn't at least 15% cringey and corny then it's a bad tmnt iteration
Dazz, your review on this movie seems pretty spot on but you haven't experienced watching the 2012 or Rise versions of TMNT if you think this is the first time they've given the turtles obvious differences to tell 'em apart
Even Bay’s version as bad as they were gave them some different looks. Heck pretty sure Bay version is the one that gave Raph his durag-like style mask, it carried on in Rise (both Raph and Donnie had it) and now Raph in MM
You're definitely not the only one that thought the final act felt lackluster compared to the rest of the movie. I saw this movie three times, however noticed the drop on my first watch. I do love literally everything else about this movie and the franchise as a whole, I've been there growing up with the 2003 series and playing most of the games. I do hope that the final-act issue is fixed in the next installment because I don't want this to become a bad trend, I'm really hopeful for the future!
7:50 what?????? That’s not what happens lmao. He says ‘we’re going to stop the machine so the only good human, April, doesn’t die, and then go back to the sewer forever.’
Dazz, I normally like your videos but…did you fall asleep in the final act or something?? How did you miss so many PAINFULLY OBVIOUS lines? Others have pointed it out, but there are multiple lines in the movie addressing your issues directly that you just, missed i guess? I know I’m biased with this movie as a lifelong TMNT fan, but honestly I feel like you were being unfairly harsh on this movie. As a young person who’s struggled to be accepted, this movie really resonated with me. It’s fine if you didn’t like some of the references humor and the ending Kaiju battle, but saying that the writing wasn’t tight or that it was just flat out bad is not fair imo, even if it wasn’t the best. Edit: okay I realized I should clarify that I meant it resonated with my experiences from when I was young, I’m currently in my 20s lol which I guess is still young, but more young adult
Maybe you're very young, or it's just your taste for those kinds of movies. Which is fine, there is no problem with it. But this movie is just another Turning Red without a specific focus.
@@siressaires5310 …did you watch turning red?? The entire thing is literally and metaphorically abt getting your period and puberty as a young girl. It’s cool if you don’t like it, opinions be different and I know for some people it wasn’t their thing, but it definitely had a point, even if it wasn’t one that resonated with you. And I’d argue TMNT:MM does too, it’s about the want to be accepted by society and your peers, especially as a teen. (Not trying to be disrespectful in any way btw, just to be clear)
@@elizabethstouffer3378 Bro, throughout the movie menstruation is only used as a joke, it's not even part of the movie. So the one who didn't see it was you. Both films are about accepting the different. About parents who fear the outside world, not knowing what teenagers really go through. I don't care if you like it, but you can't deny that it's the same thing in cringe, it's just that people prefer it for some reason. I repeat, it's okay if you like the movie, I respect the opinion.
Bad writing is only really objective when the writers neglect details like backgrounds, implications, repercussions, character development, and continuity.
5:28 - 5:40 Rise TMNT: Excuse us WTF Also 7:40 people seem to forget that the Turtles getting “milked” is straight out of the Michael Bay adaptation Also while the movie isn’t perfect I did enjoy it, it was more Out Of The Shadows than the actual OOTS movie my only gripe were the gender swapped mutants (I got over it) but mostly the celebrity voice cast voicing the other mutants why promote them more over the Turtles, Splinter and Superfly when they barely spoke
FACTS WITH THE RISE THING, I wrote a comment specifically because of his take about this being the first time they looked unique. Also arguably 2012 did a decent job at it, not as good as Rise but still.
can't remember the last time I disagreed with a movie review this much honestly- I do appreciate you sharing your personal opinion on it though. art truly is subjective
@@Mae4Ever but Mario movie writing is basic too. But even so both are good. But TMNT Mutant Mayhem is 2nd best animated movie of this year while Mario is 3rd best
Interesting you chose the ninja turtle movie for the thumbnail because I thought the writing and how the turtles sounded like actual teens was a huge standout
@@OutsideLookingInSports improvised acting, genuine comedy, the artstyle, the threat the the turtles could actually fucking die, story consistentsy like when Mikey loses one of his nunchucks during the fight with superfly. Calling this movie the next boss baby because it actually tried to be fun and creative with its style is a stupid claim, and you bringing in other stuff from my own personal shit is stupid, now hop off
I’m fully aware that I’m biased and far from the first person to say this, but I truly recommend the ROTTMNT movie and series, it’s truly amazing and has a lot of the things you enjoyed from Mutant Mayhem without a lot of the nitpicks
I'm absolutely subjective in my saying this but yes it does when it comes to this movie. It's hard to argue that this movie's writing wasn't aallll about the "memberberries" but I was okay with it. It was just a fun experience that I had with my nine year old and myself which again makes me very biased. Sometimes It's okay to go to the theater and watch a "good" movie with someone you love. You can tell the film crew really tried compared to other production companies which I really appreciate.
Really horrible take my guy. Why did you use it being an origin and reboot as a negative but then praise movies like ITSV which is also an origin and a reboot? Also why complain about it being an origin at all?? We’ve mostly had tmnt cartoons for the last decade, the most recent movies were really bad. Getting a new modern take for a new modern audience with the origin doesn’t seem like a a big problem. The “cringe dialogue” was handled surprisingly well and fit the movie perfectly because the cast were actual teenagers acting like actual teenagers. Calling this movie soulless is crazy. Idk wtf you’re on. You even explain immediately afterwards that the movie does have heart so idk wtf you talking about. Splinter tells the turtles that they’ll go home AFTER defeating Superfly. And Once again tf are you on rn? Super Duper Fly was fucking hilarious and IceCubes delivery was amazing. Tf is wrong with the villain being pretty silly? I don’t see how that somehow takes away from the compelling storytelling of the movie. (Also you said it twice lmao) Did you fall asleep at the end? We do see all the animals running away, we do see Cynthia Utrom at the end, we do see the aftermath of superfly. You constantly talk as if the movie is writing itself into a corner with some of its choices, then get mad at it teasing the sequels??? “It’s the new boss baby design” and “it’s not smart” is so disrespectful to the hard work of the animators, writers and cast. I’m pretty sure you even know that because immediately afterwards you say it does have passion and love in it.. bro💀 Unlike the “boss baby” style you keep mentioning, the styles movies like TMNT, puss in boots and MvM have aren’t so easy to do. The “boss baby” style was bad because it was generic and easy to lazily release every year for money. Contrary to popular belief, these movies didn’t just “copy spiderverse” it’s got its own distinct style. Y’all are so annoying tbh, one minute it’s “wow spiderverse is gonna create a new era of good animation” the next it’s “smh the animation is just copycat spiderverse 😤”
Last part is so real. It’s fucking annoying that people went from saying “finally we’re getting rid of that style!” To “stop copying spider if your movie won’t be a masterpiece!!!!!1!11!!2”
When i think about Great animation and bad writing i always think of velma, and how it was a failure. Unlike velma the Tmnt movie was a BANGER. That pretty much explains itself
I will never forgive them for making Bebop and Rocksteady good guys. It makes no sense, Shedder will be in part 2 and these 2 moved in with the Turtles, I'm soooooo lost
@@samcochran8203 are you talking about rango or tmnt, because if tmnt I said maybe their is an extended version or some things were cut I'm not sure. But if your talking a rango, yes that movie has an extended cut.
I haven't seen this particular movie, but generally for me, I'd rather see great writing and less than perfect animation than the other way around. I'll use Wendell and Wild as an example: I really wanted to love that movie, and the animation was some of the best Selick and his team have done, but there was too much packed into too short a time and it didnt flow very well.
I feel like these are the same people that are too proud of Nickelodeon not just because of Dan Schneider and the over-saturation of SpongeBob (“Am I going to defile Stephen Hillenburg’s grave for money?! Of course I am!” - Mr. Krabs), but also ownership of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (I mean, then again, the Mutant Mayhem fandom/Tales of the TMNT anticipators are the same people who sleep on Rise yet think we’re sexist if we don’t like the mid-2010s Michael Bay-produced movies with Megan Fox as April O’Neill whom there, they decided to portray her like a lot of Mary Sues in recent Disney movies. I mean, if you like AniMat anywhere near as much as I did when I used to watch him more often, I can see why, but nobody’s perfect. And this is coming from someone who saw Paige Hebert’s videos, for example), and yet the top comments are made to make DazzReviews look like unlike AniMat (I feel like even when he gave both movies 7-star ratings, AniMat was just so critical towards the Mario movie because it wasn’t Disney nor did it have the deep storytelling that would personally appeal to critics like him, yet when he pointed out mixed writing in the characters, he said that he could understand and justify why Mutant Mayhem can be cringy because of the common “real teenagers as real teenagers” defense people make to justify companies that make teen sitcoms, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is just looking for something by 2020s Nickelodeon to hate, but he was right, and even Awesomemay would point it out.
i didnt know the movie actually released, so, maybe it has to do with that where people just forgot it had been released, afterall, i dont see this movie get advertised a lot
I know Helluva boss is not a movie but It's a good example of a show with good animation but with terrible writing, and that's my main issue with it. I know it's created by an indie animation studio but still that does not excuse the bad writing
@@TheSilvaHeart there is nothing wrong with giving criticism as long as you're actually making a point and being respectful about it. Many people say this because it's a good point to be made.
Pretty disrespectful to say it felt like a soulless cash crab when it was the FURTHEST thing from that. And the comment about it feeling like the boss baby designs? Huh? But then to say that you noticed the talent and heart here and there made no sense. This is an inconstantly laid out review dazz, sorry.
The reasons the movie was bad is major negative feed back about splinter April's horrible character change and let's be honest Seth rogan can't do anything positive like his writing is so childish no way it could keep with puss in boots or spider verse plus bro all the people who watched this just finished reading the last rounin series like it's hard to compare to that
I think what you wanted was a conflict story along the lines of Puss in Boots The Last Wish and Spider-verse. But the trailers gave it away or what type of movie this is going to be about especially with the characters and how they act in a dangerous situation. But I still love the movie and maybe when they introduced the shredder we can get a complex story where the turtles are or on a line of Puss in Boots and Spider-verse
it doesn't for me. Great writing doesnt work with bad animation. reminder that animation and cinema are visual storytelling mediums and they cannot work without good visuals. An example of excellent writing and amazing thematic visuals would be weirdly enough, Don Hertzfeldt. His animation style is simple, almost stickmen. but he's able to pull of that visual style because of what it represents thematically. Don Hertzfeldt Films have amazing visuals for the films he makes. It matters what the movie looks like as much as it matters with the writing. A movie with bad animation but good writing can still be awful.
" isn't the whole idea of ninja turtles that they are underground and live in sewers" yes, they are vigilantes. They go around taking out villians and keeping the city safe without letting anyone know. They hide and keep themselves away from onlookers so that shredder and anyone else doesn't know where to find them and they can keep master splinter, themselves, and apri! Safe. No idea what happened to that
well, to be fair; i think this movie pulls it off even then. yes, they're supposed to stay hidden away, but as young inexperienced and curious teens; it makes sense for them to want to experience that. realistically, teenagers generally prefer rebelling and trying new things over following rules. the movie itself knows they should be staying safe, Splinter keeps insisting on it, and this movie sets it up well enough where the turtles most likely realise the risks of leaving the sewers. I for one look forward to seeing how the turtles will act around humans, but of course, I can't deny the fact that them going to public school definitely isn't the best choice for *ninjas* with enemies.
Yeah, no, I can’t agree with you here. The writing wasn’t bad, I found it serviceable for the story they were trying to tell. It’s not supposed to be high art, or anything special, it’s very clearly just trying to be a simple kids movie. Plus, I think they’re saving the real good writing for the Paramount+ series and sequel coming later on.
Idk Turning Red was the same story and nobody liked it because it was cringe, with with adolescents and fewer referents teenagers and fewer referents but it's exactly the same with another style of animation.
@@siressaires5310 Wasn't the main thing with turning red the fact that most of the people complaining about the movie were clearly not part of the demographic it was meant for?
@@siressaires5310that was immature man babys who couldn’t handle not relating to a 13 year old girl in the 2000s calling it shit because it was cringey. that’s literally the point. Same with this film
@coolioam8137 no it didn't just go against tmnt lore for convenience, those decisions were clearly made for it to at least be something different and take things in a new direction after 20+ years of TMNT. Like holy crap reach harder please.
i had similar feelings with ATSV. Having read the original spiderman 2099 run i kept thinking "miguel wouldn't do that" and the whole plot with canon events didn't make sense because they mentioned the mainline comics, which sucks because if they hadn't, they wouldn't be conflicting with the comic spiderverse events
Leaving aside my personal opinions about the movie. And while I agree with Dazz. I wonder if the movie had the typical cheap 3D style, opinion would change. Because I feel that people focus more on the visual and just because of that they think that something is already good..
I perfer it as "stylish over substance". The stylish is animation and art more effective than everything to make film amazing or greater, including the story. Which is problem for film being pretty than having a purpose or heart to the feature. I imagine there will a lot of films using Spiderverse-like style to forgive the bad writing. Or suffering with that problem. This happens with Pixar, with more realistic and technical animation into films like Ice Age 5 as a example.
There is definitely a plot. A very simple one, yes, but still a plot. It probably feels so nonexistent because it's so simple, especially when compared to movies with absurdly complicated plots like the one in the Spiderverse series, or Transformers, or most other series. TMNT has also complicated its origin stories over the years to an absurd level (I'm looking at you, IDW.) so simplifying so much feels better to me. You also forgot that Splinter said "We're going to clean up your mess, (I.E. stopping Superfly and his machine.) THEN we're going home!" And we DO see Superfly at the end of the movie, he's the little bug beating against the glass BESIDE THE UTROM LADY. We did see all of these things still. After credits scenes aren't a bad thing. And having a story like TMNT, which has been suffering from numerous LEGITIMATE poorly written plots, (*Cough* Michael Bay *cough*) be rewritten is honestly a GODSEND. ROTTMNT was canceled and they won't renew it despite its continued popularity. We've needed another good rerun. I also don't see the problem with the boys having an actual social life and all the mutants moving in with them. How is giving them a bigger honorary family writing themselves into a corner?? How is it even possible to DO something as big as fighting Mega-Mutant Superfly and NOT be discovered? They were all over Time's Square! No one's gonna forget that! And the reason you didn't encounter a lot of people in theatres is probably because there are so goddamn many streaming services! It was the same thing when I went to watch the Barbie movie and Jurrasic Park when they came out: No one was there because it's already on Paramount! Or Peacock. Why would they go to the theatre and pay a ridiculous amount of money when they already have a streaming subscription at home with all their food? C'mon man!
As a fellow human, I see what you mean by "generic" and "trendy," but I gotta admit. It's actually pretty original, using it's own creative liberties for the lore and such, but to this day I still feel something is... missing. I'm not sure what it is. I might look further into it, but I'll have to leave it here for now.
I kinda made the One piece Robin and Frankie face when I watched the scene where they first meet April. Like why??!! What's the appeal of making the turtles fall for April? They did it in the 3rd live action 90s movie, in 2012 tmnt, the 2nd live action and now this??!! And don't give me the "Oh it's realistic cuz they're teenagers" when we are talking about a movie with mutant animals
I agree I didn't really care for this movie. The plot was the main problem. Also including as many characters as possible, probably for high profile actors and toys.
I think even though the writing of the main plot was fairly basic the dialog between the characters, especially between the Turtles themselves was very well done and maybe the focus of the writers with the plot itself taking a back seat. I very much enjoyed it especially on second viewing when I just enjoyed the characters and their interactions rather than trying to uncover the mystery of the story.
Mutant Mayhem is honestly TMNT at its best. This is supposed to show the TMNT before they became heroes. Just chilling, being bros, getting in trouble and then becoming the Heroes in the Half Shell we know they'll become
Well i completely stopped watching after 20/25 minutes. Too many pop culture references, including the non stop music and the live action inserts, like they were trying to insert as many nostalgia bate as possible (yeah i get it, lets remember the 80s and 90s), the characters were annoying like a bunch a kids high on sugar rush, talking over each other all the time. I didn't like the origin story(probably the dumbest so far), which takes away the credibility to see them as ninjas, and Splinter looks and acts stupidly, and instead of an authority figure and a sensei, he is more like a goofball uncle unable to command any respect. Also didn't like that the Turtles lack any relevant ninja skills, unlike previous versions, and feel more like kids playing as ninjas, and Donnie's voice really seemed out of place. And i know all of the voice actors are around the same age, but they could have chosen a voice actor who's voice has dropped, since the actor that played Donnie clearly still sounds like a child compare to the other actors playing the other turtles. I liked the animation style, but i don't think it suits TMNT universe, and i think it distracts a lot from the action. I really couldn't get any further into the movie since it was getting unbearably annoying and i wasn't enjoying it at all, and since i wasn't watching it with kids, and i don't need to write an official review, it felt pointless to put myself through that struggle
Dazz, this is easily one of your worst reviews because of the fact you skipped so much details, everyone else already pointed it out but most of your gripes are addressed upfront in the movie, like splinter saying that as soon as they stop superfly they are never going out of the sewer again, or the fact that Superfly mutates because he fell alongside all of the Ooze into the ocean and then he went to a zoo, even the scenes with Cynthia Utrom who is the minor antagonist of the movie has all of her scenes porperly set up, they don't come out of nowhere. I agree that the other mutants turning against superfly in such a short time is the worst aspect of the movie because it feels rushed, they genuinely could have made something more interesting with superfly being a dark reflection of splinter by having him meet the turtles early on in the movie and manipulating/misguiding them, but otherwise Superfly is a good villain in the context of the movie, it still shows a personal connection with the turtles by seeking acceptance too but trying to get it in a rather violent way, besides it almost looks like you didn't pay attention to his plan because it wasn't similar to the lizard's.
You know I feel overall it’s a pretty simple plot (which again, that’s a good thing especially since they wanna expand this universe of the turtles and the fact that they *are* teenagers or acting like how kids would in this generation but give it time and we might get these turtles to become serious and actually develop some of their traits from their other multiversal counterparts like Donnie acting more smarter down the road, Ralph and his anger issues could lead to a good dynamic between Leo and him like there fight scene in the 2007 turtle) just a simple premise of the brothers wanting acceptance, splinter learning the humans he knew and saw aren’t as bad once they see the big picture of things, and. I guess the whole prom thing with April which was really cute -which I guess gives them time to make these simple plots now, like and exmaple the mcu Spider-Man films specifically Homecoming where as when they feel more comfortable off adding serious and dark stories to this, people can actually feel and know the characters 🤔
Honesty, this might be my least favorite version of splinter. And probably the weakest version, too, but I did appreciate the jackie chan style fight scene.
As a TMNT fan, I wasn’t particularly excited when this movie was announced. I'll say this from jump, but I didn’t watch the movie, and my interpretation of it I got through cultural osmosis and echo chambers. From what I've seen, this was a HUGE departure from the standard TMNT fair. Especially with how far they aged them back. More closely resembling pre teens than teenagers. When the Spiderverse like animation was announced, the celebrity cast was dropped, and more and more trailers with comedic emphasis came out, I knew it wasn’t for me. It seemed like they were marketing to the least common denominator to get the most amount of the general audience without actually representing the source material (loose as the 'source material' may be due to TMNT marketing in the 80s) or having something to say. Let it be known that I'm not afraid of change. Rise of the TMNT is my second favorite TMNT show despite it being the most out there. But that was done to push boundaries, not conform to normality. It wasn't trying to be commercial, it was artistic with a clear, unique, boundary pushing vision. This, while it may be fun and pretty, felt vapid to me. And from everything I've been hearing, that checks out
@@The_og_moonwalker I'm also a teen. Their voices are way higher pitched than mine or my friends. Grade level above or below. Granted, I just turned 17, but I've always heard the TMNT being on the 15-17 age. Less so 13-14
Glad I'm not the only one who had these concerns. From the get go it seemed very much like they were trying to make it more broadly appealing to audiences rather than sticking to what makes TMNT so great in the first place, and what fans of TMNT really enjoy
I think it forgives normal level story, but it dosent forgive bad writing, i think movies can be good based on animation alone tho.
But that dosent change bad writing.
noted
Still TMNT Mutant Mayhem is the best TMNT movie ever
@@arinhossain2100Absolutely not. The first live action is still great, this is better than the 2nd and 3rd ones but it's not even better than animated TMNT 07 which had bad writing and a bad villain too.
@@1D4ever absolutely yes. The first live action is good but no way it's better then Mutant Mayhem. Mutant Mayhem is better then all TMNT movies that came before it. The reviews for Mutant Mayhem are positive. Reviews speak for themselves. Everyone likes Mutant Mayhem more. It even got the higher rotten tomatoes score of any TMNT movie with 97%. So the majority would say Mutant Mayhem is better. Don't get fooled by nostalgia
Get a doctor and suck a c=8.
@@1D4ever how you can say this is worse than the movie that defeays shredder off screen is beyond me
8:10 Splinter says “first we’re gonna clean up your mess, then we’re going home”
That’s what you missed, Splinter wants to keep the turtles separate from humans but knows that they’re capable enough in fights that they can handle some bad guys because he… you know, trained them to fight bad guys
That was like a CinemaSins level of critical misunderstanding, and they maintain that they're only pretending to be morons for clout... or something. Like if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he was yawning during that line so he completely missed it, why in the world would he focus so much on it and claim that a scene was missing, rather than thinking "Gee, I guess I missed something?"
@@Wendy_O._Koopayeah i watched the movie like four days ago and i can still remember splinter justifying since april was the only good human they needed to save everyone. This youtuber kinda delegitimises any argument he has for why this is bad when he cant even follow a basic plot and devotes half a video to it
For me, a movie could be as poorly animated as possible, as long as the story and characters are really good, and despite those little plot bumps you mentioned, I feel like the story of acceptance and learning to be a family, was handled really well. Also, at 7:56 - 8:21 Splinter actually did say they were going to stop Super Fly, and THEN go stay in the sewers forever. Guess you just missed it.
Yeah, he also completely missed some really obvious things??? Like April’s arc of being able to overcome her fear of being on camera to help the turtles?? The theme of doing the right thing even if you don’t get any recognition for it?? The fact that it’s, yknow, an ACTION COMEDY by NICKELODEON and it’s not going to have the same level of story as spiderverse??? Ngl i usually like his videos but it felt like he watched the movie with a blindfold for half of it :/
@@elizabethstouffer3378Agreed
True about animation and writing, just look at Hoodwinked. That movie looks bad, but it is really well written.
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@@neogranzongwith the different artstyles being more commonplace i would wait for the time where an animated movie has the style of ps2 games and has cinematic masterpiece level writing
this film is NOT copying the Spider-Verse style. I'm sick of hearing that. Spider-Verse may have inspired lots of films to have an experimental look where SOME aspects are similar like combining 2D and 3D, using smears and multuples, and animation on 2s, but none of them have the EXACT same style
Spider-Verse tries to look like a comic book come to life. Mutant Mayhem tries to look like a teenager's notebook sketches come to life and it works so well. its style embraces imperfection even more than Spider-Verse by having the film look very scribble-y and messy and making almost every character design ugly and abstract (in the best way possible). It makes them all look so unique and distinct and you can tell what their personality is when looking at them
also "it's the new boss baby design" dude, what are you TALKING about?? these movies have completely different styles and Mutant Mayhem avoids that typical soft, smooth, semi-real CG character design we've been used to for years
I hate how the same people who hype spiderverse for inspiring a new era of animation, turn around and complain when movies look unique. How you gonna go from praising that to calling any movie that has the slightest passing resemblance a copycat
This!!! Every movie with this “”spiderverse”” style puts a unique spin on it!!!!! Puss in Boots 2 was like a watercolor painting, Spiderverse was a comic book come to life, and Mutant Mayhem is, as you said, a teenager’s notebook sketches. I also definitely see some inspiration from street art in the movie
@@mjhtv5397 yeah that boss baby line double taking like a mf. Not even the same animation lmao
@@OutsideLookingInSports an animation style being inspired by something is one thing, calling it a full on copy like some people have is ridiculous
Dazz, i love your videos man but i don't agree that there isn't a plot. Idk if you were tired and like half asleep, idk if you just weren't paying attention or something but 1. Splinter outright said something along the lines of "as soon as we stop superfly from hurting the humans and April, you stop leaving the sewers and stay out of trouble!" 2. The reason why superfly mutated was outwardly spoken, mondo gecko literally said something like "uh dudes, what happens when a supermachine made to mutate animals blows up in the ocean where there's fish?" And 3. At least in this movie, there was a small change of character in them (which was once again was outwardly spoken, when leo and April said that what they were doing was done for selfish reasons (also probably when raph said Leo sounded like an actual leader)) because it was like you said an origin story AND it was also about being accepted.
Also the animation style is more along the lines of puss in boots but like the animators said "it's supposed to be a sort of hand drawn kid's artstyle" due to the scribbles misshapen proportions etc
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When Splinter realizes he shares Superfly's view of humans as irredeemable, he realizes the poison at the center of that view and resolves to give his son's a chance at happiness. Sure it was ham-fisted but it was there. I also really liked how April was determined to never be on camera again, but when the turtles needed her she crashed a broadcast and pushed through her anxiety even though she still vomited.
Yes! Thank you! Dazz, take notes!
I can only think of a couple points in the movie where I would call the writing is straight up bad. Otherwise, I can't think of any plots hole, the characters were consistent, motivations were clear, etc. An argument I can somewhat agree with is a shortage of depth in Mutant Mayhem's story and characters. That is not to say that there is lack of depth in Mutant Mayhem. Take Leonardo. He is the "straight arrow" character, the "Boy Scout". He is the most mature of the four, he wants to do the right thing, he is a romantic, and he wants to be a good example to his brothers. But, like them, he is lonely. He loves his siblings, but he is a different person than them, he has different interests. He wants to be a part of the human world as much as they do. He is also sensitive and does not want to be seen as "not cool", so despite his moral compass he sometimes gives into peer pressure. He is a layered character.
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It forgives a light story, but not bad writing. Look at Mario for example, visually looks gorgeous and accurate to a very appealing world everyone loves, but it is very light on story. Who cares tho, it was a fun time. Turtles had a deeper story, but the writing was a flat at times and felt like it was trying too hard to be modern. But again, like Mario, we love this world and characters, and the animation was great, so at the end of the day if you had a fun time, why knock it.
You're off the mark on this one. Mutant Mayhem had an amazingly tight plot, didn't drag on, got in and told a really fun and endearing story in 90-ish minutes with great animation then peaced out.
goated movie
@@anormalusername2910 ok, but imo tmnt mutant mayhem is better than pib 2
Bro the plot is as tight as hornswoggle in Shaq sized pants.
@@morgoth_edits in what way besides animation which even that is debatable. the movie just isn't that good
its similiar to Mario Movie
In the case of films like Ice Age 5 and Frozen, no, good animation cannot excuse bad writing. No matter what my parents think.
Wait... ice age... FIVE!?!?!
@@Heccy_weccy Yep. Ice Age: Collision Course, to be exact. I'm surprised you didn't know!
I haven't seen it, but it looks downright terrible.
@@artbytesia it's a pretty forgettable movie not as good as the first 3 films.
@@artbytesia I don't know wether to be either im or de pressed at this news but I've looked it up and I must question how this flew under my radar but honestly I wish it did.
Frozen has flaws but I don't think it's fair to pair it with ice age 5 lol. There are many terrible films out there to use as an example and I just don't think frozen is one of them.
Honestly, I don’t think the writing is bad I just think the writing is too simple
I think I agree with this it's just missing like an extra layer of depth to be like extremely good but it's still great I loved it regardless
The average original cartoon episode had more depth.
@@1D4ever true
Its simaliar to Mario Movie honestly
the movie imo is meant to be a sort of pilot for the main series that's coming out next year. Set up the characters, story, world, etc.
Also it's tmnt, if it isn't at least 15% cringey and corny then it's a bad tmnt iteration
Dazz, your review on this movie seems pretty spot on but you haven't experienced watching the 2012 or Rise versions of TMNT if you think this is the first time they've given the turtles obvious differences to tell 'em apart
right? They're all so visually distinct. Not enough for Splinter tho
Even Bay’s version as bad as they were gave them some different looks. Heck pretty sure Bay version is the one that gave Raph his durag-like style mask, it carried on in Rise (both Raph and Donnie had it) and now Raph in MM
You're definitely not the only one that thought the final act felt lackluster compared to the rest of the movie. I saw this movie three times, however noticed the drop on my first watch.
I do love literally everything else about this movie and the franchise as a whole, I've been there growing up with the 2003 series and playing most of the games. I do hope that the final-act issue is fixed in the next installment because I don't want this to become a bad trend, I'm really hopeful for the future!
7:50 what?????? That’s not what happens lmao. He says ‘we’re going to stop the machine so the only good human, April, doesn’t die, and then go back to the sewer forever.’
Dazz, I normally like your videos but…did you fall asleep in the final act or something?? How did you miss so many PAINFULLY OBVIOUS lines? Others have pointed it out, but there are multiple lines in the movie addressing your issues directly that you just, missed i guess? I know I’m biased with this movie as a lifelong TMNT fan, but honestly I feel like you were being unfairly harsh on this movie. As a young person who’s struggled to be accepted, this movie really resonated with me. It’s fine if you didn’t like some of the references humor and the ending Kaiju battle, but saying that the writing wasn’t tight or that it was just flat out bad is not fair imo, even if it wasn’t the best.
Edit: okay I realized I should clarify that I meant it resonated with my experiences from when I was young, I’m currently in my 20s lol which I guess is still young, but more young adult
Writing is good but it's basic. Ignore him he just wants attention to make this lame video
Maybe you're very young, or it's just your taste for those kinds of movies. Which is fine, there is no problem with it. But this movie is just another Turning Red without a specific focus.
@@siressaires5310 …did you watch turning red?? The entire thing is literally and metaphorically abt getting your period and puberty as a young girl. It’s cool if you don’t like it, opinions be different and I know for some people it wasn’t their thing, but it definitely had a point, even if it wasn’t one that resonated with you. And I’d argue TMNT:MM does too, it’s about the want to be accepted by society and your peers, especially as a teen. (Not trying to be disrespectful in any way btw, just to be clear)
@@siressaires5310typical Hater Response
@@elizabethstouffer3378 Bro, throughout the movie menstruation is only used as a joke, it's not even part of the movie. So the one who didn't see it was you. Both films are about accepting the different. About parents who fear the outside world, not knowing what teenagers really go through. I don't care if you like it, but you can't deny that it's the same thing in cringe, it's just that people prefer it for some reason. I repeat, it's okay if you like the movie, I respect the opinion.
It depends. “Bad writing” is more subjective than people realize in many cases
Bad writing is only really objective when the writers neglect details like backgrounds, implications, repercussions, character development, and continuity.
5:28 - 5:40
Rise TMNT: Excuse us WTF
Also 7:40 people seem to forget that the Turtles getting “milked” is straight out of the Michael Bay adaptation
Also while the movie isn’t perfect I did enjoy it, it was more Out Of The Shadows than the actual OOTS movie my only gripe were the gender swapped mutants (I got over it) but mostly the celebrity voice cast voicing the other mutants why promote them more over the Turtles, Splinter and Superfly when they barely spoke
FACTS WITH THE RISE THING, I wrote a comment specifically because of his take about this being the first time they looked unique.
Also arguably 2012 did a decent job at it, not as good as Rise but still.
@@Cam_AyyI can agree that 2012 version is one of the best but Mutant Mayhem is amazing too. But I still like the 80s and 2012 version more
This movie is near perfect
Wait what? Milking was in the gross live action ones?
@@someone24688yeah their blood was the mcguffin that Shredder needed
can't remember the last time I disagreed with a movie review this much honestly-
I do appreciate you sharing your personal opinion on it though. art truly is subjective
for me i LOVED everything about the movie, the turtles feel like teenagers and i love the story and animation, tbh it was a great movie in my opinion
I saw this in theaters, I genuinely liked it!
Animation=great
Plot=Good
Superfly=Good Villain
Writing= Maybe.
Writing is good but a bit basic
@@arinhossain2100Even Mario’s writing is slightly better than this.
@@Mae4Ever but Mario movie writing is basic too. But even so both are good. But TMNT Mutant Mayhem is 2nd best animated movie of this year while Mario is 3rd best
WOW thank you dazz this is the worst take I have ever heard. DO NOT LET BRO COOK AGAIN
ok anyway
Interesting you chose the ninja turtle movie for the thumbnail because I thought the writing and how the turtles sounded like actual teens was a huge standout
They don't sound like teens they sound like their rugrats
@@jackko21ok *maybe* I get donnie but that is definitely what 14 year old boys sound like
No. There needs to be something there for people to stay for. That’s the story in a movie.
Why can’t it be both or either?
"Great movies are the exception, not the norm" -Schafarillis
Dazz: Finally I can tell the turtle apart!
Rottmnt: What am I a Scumbug?
Nickelodeon made both rango and the tintin movie each of which were stylized
Mutant Mayhem having bad writing? Yaaaa cant agree.
This has to be the worst review ever made for an animated movie.
This video made me wonder if he actually watched the movie or not.
@@OutsideLookingInSports improvised acting, genuine comedy, the artstyle, the threat the the turtles could actually fucking die, story consistentsy like when Mikey loses one of his nunchucks during the fight with superfly. Calling this movie the next boss baby because it actually tried to be fun and creative with its style is a stupid claim, and you bringing in other stuff from my own personal shit is stupid, now hop off
Tbh i really liked that they acted like actual teens and weren’t as cringy as turning red
In some ways they felt more cringey than the teens in Turning Red. xD
Just a more modern teenage cringe instead of early 2000s teenage cringe.
@@ShadowEclipexthey act more like realistic teenagers from new york
@@Ilovemygf0707 Doesn't really change what I said.
@@ShadowEclipexturnin red was literally set in the early 2000s
@@deepfriedspaghetti982 That was my point. I was comparing TMNT to Turning Red
Bro looking way too deep into a movie about talking turtles who fight crime
5:28 in the original comics they all had red masks so only the weapons were to identify them
I’m fully aware that I’m biased and far from the first person to say this, but I truly recommend the ROTTMNT movie and series, it’s truly amazing and has a lot of the things you enjoyed from Mutant Mayhem without a lot of the nitpicks
I'm absolutely subjective in my saying this but yes it does when it comes to this movie. It's hard to argue that this movie's writing wasn't aallll about the "memberberries" but I was okay with it. It was just a fun experience that I had with my nine year old and myself which again makes me very biased. Sometimes It's okay to go to the theater and watch a "good" movie with someone you love. You can tell the film crew really tried compared to other production companies which I really appreciate.
It’s the other way around, a good story can forgive clunky animation
really? it does?
@@ryanmatthews3609yeah
Take Hoodwinked for example
@@gokublack9724Like what movies from big 3 animation studio?
@@isaacrogers4174 alright.
Ngl bro this take is godawful m8 please dont cook again
Don’t disrespect ninja turtles like that 💀
Really horrible take my guy. Why did you use it being an origin and reboot as a negative but then praise movies like ITSV which is also an origin and a reboot? Also why complain about it being an origin at all?? We’ve mostly had tmnt cartoons for the last decade, the most recent movies were really bad. Getting a new modern take for a new modern audience with the origin doesn’t seem like a a big problem.
The “cringe dialogue” was handled surprisingly well and fit the movie perfectly because the cast were actual teenagers acting like actual teenagers.
Calling this movie soulless is crazy. Idk wtf you’re on. You even explain immediately afterwards that the movie does have heart so idk wtf you talking about.
Splinter tells the turtles that they’ll go home AFTER defeating Superfly.
And Once again tf are you on rn? Super Duper Fly was fucking hilarious and IceCubes delivery was amazing.
Tf is wrong with the villain being pretty silly? I don’t see how that somehow takes away from the compelling storytelling of the movie. (Also you said it twice lmao)
Did you fall asleep at the end? We do see all the animals running away, we do see Cynthia Utrom at the end, we do see the aftermath of superfly.
You constantly talk as if the movie is writing itself into a corner with some of its choices, then get mad at it teasing the sequels???
“It’s the new boss baby design” and “it’s not smart” is so disrespectful to the hard work of the animators, writers and cast. I’m pretty sure you even know that because immediately afterwards you say it does have passion and love in it.. bro💀
Unlike the “boss baby” style you keep mentioning, the styles movies like TMNT, puss in boots and MvM have aren’t so easy to do. The “boss baby” style was bad because it was generic and easy to lazily release every year for money. Contrary to popular belief, these movies didn’t just “copy spiderverse” it’s got its own distinct style. Y’all are so annoying tbh, one minute it’s “wow spiderverse is gonna create a new era of good animation” the next it’s “smh the animation is just copycat spiderverse 😤”
Last part is so real. It’s fucking annoying that people went from saying “finally we’re getting rid of that style!” To “stop copying spider if your movie won’t be a masterpiece!!!!!1!11!!2”
you when you dont listen to the video
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone whine about a video this much.
I really didn't think the writing was bad. It wasn't a masterpiece, sure, but the movie was fun and told a very servicable story
I wish we could get a faithful adaptation of the original Mirage comics
Great animation never excuses bad writing. It's just great animation paired with bad writing
Agreed. 👍🏻
Imma go with no
But when it comes to TMNT Mutant Mayhem, it's actually amazing
Splinter told the boys that they're going to clean up their mess AND then go home
When i think about Great animation and bad writing i always think of velma, and how it was a failure. Unlike velma the Tmnt movie was a BANGER. That pretty much explains itself
Even _Velma_ still has technical problems imo. Nevertheless, I see where you're going.
No of course not. Animation in the context of film is meant to help tell the story, not carrying the story
I will never forgive them for making Bebop and Rocksteady good guys. It makes no sense, Shedder will be in part 2 and these 2 moved in with the Turtles, I'm soooooo lost
Yeah I’m really upset by this movie too
It’s unforgiving how dirty this movie did me!!!!!!
I was so excited for this movie why would you do this!!!!!
As a teen, I enjoyed the animation and writing because it's what we would say and how we would act.
I'm not a huge TMNT fan but I may have to check this out at some point.
Maybe it will be like Rango where at that time we saw the theatrical cut, but on DVD we'll get an extended cut.
But that's just a theory
wait, there's an extended cut? Dang it, now I don't know which one I saw!
@@samcochran8203 are you talking about rango or tmnt, because if tmnt I said maybe their is an extended version or some things were cut I'm not sure.
But if your talking a rango, yes that movie has an extended cut.
@@zaidnail3544 I was speaking about rango, I haven't seen the turtle movie yet
@@samcochran8203 okay.
welp, we can't always have good takes
I haven't seen this particular movie, but generally for me, I'd rather see great writing and less than perfect animation than the other way around. I'll use Wendell and Wild as an example: I really wanted to love that movie, and the animation was some of the best Selick and his team have done, but there was too much packed into too short a time and it didnt flow very well.
You should go watch it give a try
Well, it’s official, every movie that blends 2d & 3d art Styles together is automatically good.
Bro I agree with u and I don't know y everyone likes this movie so much how can u like a movie that completely says fuck u to the source material
I feel like these are the same people that are too proud of Nickelodeon not just because of Dan Schneider and the over-saturation of SpongeBob (“Am I going to defile Stephen Hillenburg’s grave for money?! Of course I am!” - Mr. Krabs), but also ownership of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (I mean, then again, the Mutant Mayhem fandom/Tales of the TMNT anticipators are the same people who sleep on Rise yet think we’re sexist if we don’t like the mid-2010s Michael Bay-produced movies with Megan Fox as April O’Neill whom there, they decided to portray her like a lot of Mary Sues in recent Disney movies. I mean, if you like AniMat anywhere near as much as I did when I used to watch him more often, I can see why, but nobody’s perfect. And this is coming from someone who saw Paige Hebert’s videos, for example), and yet the top comments are made to make DazzReviews look like unlike AniMat (I feel like even when he gave both movies 7-star ratings, AniMat was just so critical towards the Mario movie because it wasn’t Disney nor did it have the deep storytelling that would personally appeal to critics like him, yet when he pointed out mixed writing in the characters, he said that he could understand and justify why Mutant Mayhem can be cringy because of the common “real teenagers as real teenagers” defense people make to justify companies that make teen sitcoms, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is just looking for something by 2020s Nickelodeon to hate, but he was right, and even Awesomemay would point it out.
i didnt know the movie actually released, so, maybe it has to do with that where people just forgot it had been released, afterall, i dont see this movie get advertised a lot
I know Helluva boss is not a movie but It's a good example of a show with good animation but with terrible writing, and that's my main issue with it. I know it's created by an indie animation studio but still that does not excuse the bad writing
If I had a dime for everytime I heard that
@@TheSilvaHeart there is nothing wrong with giving criticism as long as you're actually making a point and being respectful about it. Many people say this because it's a good point to be made.
Fun Fact: They purposefully made this look messy as to emulate a teenager's drawing.
Pretty disrespectful to say it felt like a soulless cash crab when it was the FURTHEST thing from that. And the comment about it feeling like the boss baby designs? Huh? But then to say that you noticed the talent and heart here and there made no sense. This is an inconstantly laid out review dazz, sorry.
its a soulless cash grab ❤
3:33 what are you talkin about fanservice? there was barely any TMNT references in here to the other shows or movies or comics.
I felt the same way, and also felt this way about the bad guys
The reasons the movie was bad is major negative feed back about splinter April's horrible character change and let's be honest Seth rogan can't do anything positive like his writing is so childish no way it could keep with puss in boots or spider verse plus bro all the people who watched this just finished reading the last rounin series like it's hard to compare to that
I think what you wanted was a conflict story along the lines of Puss in Boots The Last Wish and Spider-verse. But the trailers gave it away or what type of movie this is going to be about especially with the characters and how they act in a dangerous situation. But I still love the movie and maybe when they introduced the shredder we can get a complex story where the turtles are or on a line of Puss in Boots and Spider-verse
I think the reason this movie isn't as satisfying is because it's not a stand alone- it's supposed to have an entire animation series and sequel
I have a theory probably didn’t do well because of the strike in Hollywood
This video doesn't have good writing.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No, it doesnt.
The opposite is true,
Great writing forgives bad animation.
But it doesnt work the other way around.
it doesn't for me. Great writing doesnt work with bad animation. reminder that animation and cinema are visual storytelling mediums and they cannot work without good visuals. An example of excellent writing and amazing thematic visuals would be weirdly enough, Don Hertzfeldt. His animation style is simple, almost stickmen. but he's able to pull of that visual style because of what it represents thematically. Don Hertzfeldt Films have amazing visuals for the films he makes. It matters what the movie looks like as much as it matters with the writing. A movie with bad animation but good writing can still be awful.
" isn't the whole idea of ninja turtles that they are underground and live in sewers" yes, they are vigilantes. They go around taking out villians and keeping the city safe without letting anyone know. They hide and keep themselves away from onlookers so that shredder and anyone else doesn't know where to find them and they can keep master splinter, themselves, and apri! Safe. No idea what happened to that
well, to be fair; i think this movie pulls it off even then. yes, they're supposed to stay hidden away, but as young inexperienced and curious teens; it makes sense for them to want to experience that.
realistically, teenagers generally prefer rebelling and trying new things over following rules.
the movie itself knows they should be staying safe, Splinter keeps insisting on it, and this movie sets it up well enough where the turtles most likely realise the risks of leaving the sewers.
I for one look forward to seeing how the turtles will act around humans, but of course, I can't deny the fact that them going to public school definitely isn't the best choice for *ninjas* with enemies.
Yeah, no, I can’t agree with you here. The writing wasn’t bad, I found it serviceable for the story they were trying to tell. It’s not supposed to be high art, or anything special, it’s very clearly just trying to be a simple kids movie. Plus, I think they’re saving the real good writing for the Paramount+ series and sequel coming later on.
Ignore him he just wants attention that's why he made that lame video
Idk Turning Red was the same story and nobody liked it because it was cringe, with with adolescents and fewer referents teenagers and fewer referents but it's exactly the same with another style of animation.
@@siressaires5310 Wasn't the main thing with turning red the fact that most of the people complaining about the movie were clearly not part of the demographic it was meant for?
@@siressaires5310that was immature man babys who couldn’t handle not relating to a 13 year old girl in the 2000s calling it shit because it was cringey. that’s literally the point. Same with this film
@@Youarewhatyoueatsonic That's why I say it makes no sense to call this movie incredible, when other movies with the same plots are hated.
fym bad writing? tmnt has like, the best writing i’ve seen from a movie all year
Yeah, he missed several REALLY obvious things in the movie :/
It def does not lol. It’s not bad but it falls flat at points and makes a lot of decisions against TMNT lore for convenience.
True. I had no problems with the writing. A few nitpicks, maybe, but they’re excusable.
@coolioam8137 no it didn't just go against tmnt lore for convenience, those decisions were clearly made for it to at least be something different and take things in a new direction after 20+ years of TMNT. Like holy crap reach harder please.
You need to watch more movies if you think this is "best writing", dawg.
i had similar feelings with ATSV. Having read the original spiderman 2099 run i kept thinking "miguel wouldn't do that" and the whole plot with canon events didn't make sense because they mentioned the mainline comics, which sucks because if they hadn't, they wouldn't be conflicting with the comic spiderverse events
first of all, astv is a different timeline, thsts the point lmao
Leaving aside my personal opinions about the movie. And while I agree with Dazz. I wonder if the movie had the typical cheap 3D style, opinion would change. Because I feel that people focus more on the visual and just because of that they think that something is already good..
If you were right about it, that would be pretty sad.
I perfer it as "stylish over substance". The stylish is animation and art more effective than everything to make film amazing or greater, including the story. Which is problem for film being pretty than having a purpose or heart to the feature. I imagine there will a lot of films using Spiderverse-like style to forgive the bad writing. Or suffering with that problem. This happens with Pixar, with more realistic and technical animation into films like Ice Age 5 as a example.
Wait. Has the new ninja turtles bad writhing?!
One day people are going to realize you are right
There is definitely a plot. A very simple one, yes, but still a plot. It probably feels so nonexistent because it's so simple, especially when compared to movies with absurdly complicated plots like the one in the Spiderverse series, or Transformers, or most other series. TMNT has also complicated its origin stories over the years to an absurd level (I'm looking at you, IDW.) so simplifying so much feels better to me.
You also forgot that Splinter said "We're going to clean up your mess, (I.E. stopping Superfly and his machine.) THEN we're going home!" And we DO see Superfly at the end of the movie, he's the little bug beating against the glass BESIDE THE UTROM LADY. We did see all of these things still. After credits scenes aren't a bad thing. And having a story like TMNT, which has been suffering from numerous LEGITIMATE poorly written plots, (*Cough* Michael Bay *cough*) be rewritten is honestly a GODSEND. ROTTMNT was canceled and they won't renew it despite its continued popularity. We've needed another good rerun.
I also don't see the problem with the boys having an actual social life and all the mutants moving in with them. How is giving them a bigger honorary family writing themselves into a corner?? How is it even possible to DO something as big as fighting Mega-Mutant Superfly and NOT be discovered? They were all over Time's Square! No one's gonna forget that! And the reason you didn't encounter a lot of people in theatres is probably because there are so goddamn many streaming services! It was the same thing when I went to watch the Barbie movie and Jurrasic Park when they came out: No one was there because it's already on Paramount! Or Peacock. Why would they go to the theatre and pay a ridiculous amount of money when they already have a streaming subscription at home with all their food?
C'mon man!
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who remembered the “milking lady” cus I was so confused as to what happened to her
This video perfectly captures my thoughts on super mario bros wonder
As a fellow human, I see what you mean by "generic" and "trendy," but I gotta admit. It's actually pretty original, using it's own creative liberties for the lore and such, but to this day I still feel something is... missing. I'm not sure what it is. I might look further into it, but I'll have to leave it here for now.
idea:the scene that CHANGED cloudy with a chance of meatballs...
that would be a good video
fun fact:i'm watching that move right now
crazy fact @@YouAreASadStrangeMan
Nope. Just look at tales of earthsea
I kinda made the One piece Robin and Frankie face when I watched the scene where they first meet April. Like why??!! What's the appeal of making the turtles fall for April? They did it in the 3rd live action 90s movie, in 2012 tmnt, the 2nd live action and now this??!! And don't give me the "Oh it's realistic cuz they're teenagers" when we are talking about a movie with mutant animals
I agree I didn't really care for this movie. The plot was the main problem. Also including as many characters as possible, probably for high profile actors and toys.
Thank you for making this video. 👏🏽
I think even though the writing of the main plot was fairly basic the dialog between the characters, especially between the Turtles themselves was very well done and maybe the focus of the writers with the plot itself taking a back seat. I very much enjoyed it especially on second viewing when I just enjoyed the characters and their interactions rather than trying to uncover the mystery of the story.
7:12 still a sick scene
Why is EVERY SINGLE recommendation Cocomelon after watching this? What have you done to my algorithm?? 😫
Your algorithm is haunted
your algorithm is chronically haunted by a youtube obsessed 3 year old
There is also a two season tv show on the way
how are they going to replicate this style on a TV time restraint? that sounds like absolute hell
I have yet to see it as it only just came out in Australia so not sure if I want to see it now
It definitely has its pitfalls near the end but I liked it
Mutant Mayhem is honestly TMNT at its best. This is supposed to show the TMNT before they became heroes. Just chilling, being bros, getting in trouble and then becoming the Heroes in the Half Shell we know they'll become
Honestly as a childhood turtles fan I’m not a fan of the designs chosen for them, or maybe I’m just spoilt by Rise’s art direction
Well i completely stopped watching after 20/25 minutes. Too many pop culture references, including the non stop music and the live action inserts, like they were trying to insert as many nostalgia bate as possible (yeah i get it, lets remember the 80s and 90s), the characters were annoying like a bunch a kids high on sugar rush, talking over each other all the time. I didn't like the origin story(probably the dumbest so far), which takes away the credibility to see them as ninjas, and Splinter looks and acts stupidly, and instead of an authority figure and a sensei, he is more like a goofball uncle unable to command any respect. Also didn't like that the Turtles lack any relevant ninja skills, unlike previous versions, and feel more like kids playing as ninjas, and Donnie's voice really seemed out of place. And i know all of the voice actors are around the same age, but they could have chosen a voice actor who's voice has dropped, since the actor that played Donnie clearly still sounds like a child compare to the other actors playing the other turtles. I liked the animation style, but i don't think it suits TMNT universe, and i think it distracts a lot from the action.
I really couldn't get any further into the movie since it was getting unbearably annoying and i wasn't enjoying it at all, and since i wasn't watching it with kids, and i don't need to write an official review, it felt pointless to put myself through that struggle
This video went over so well on Twitter...
Dazz, this is easily one of your worst reviews because of the fact you skipped so much details, everyone else already pointed it out but most of your gripes are addressed upfront in the movie, like splinter saying that as soon as they stop superfly they are never going out of the sewer again, or the fact that Superfly mutates because he fell alongside all of the Ooze into the ocean and then he went to a zoo, even the scenes with Cynthia Utrom who is the minor antagonist of the movie has all of her scenes porperly set up, they don't come out of nowhere. I agree that the other mutants turning against superfly in such a short time is the worst aspect of the movie because it feels rushed, they genuinely could have made something more interesting with superfly being a dark reflection of splinter by having him meet the turtles early on in the movie and manipulating/misguiding them, but otherwise Superfly is a good villain in the context of the movie, it still shows a personal connection with the turtles by seeking acceptance too but trying to get it in a rather violent way, besides it almost looks like you didn't pay attention to his plan because it wasn't similar to the lizard's.
watched the movie and analysed it. it was shit mate, get off the hype traun
@@palemeadows train*
The movie is all style over substance.
L review
why is that
You know I feel overall it’s a pretty simple plot (which again, that’s a good thing especially since they wanna expand this universe of the turtles and the fact that they *are* teenagers or acting like how kids would in this generation but give it time and we might get these turtles to become serious and actually develop some of their traits from their other multiversal counterparts like Donnie acting more smarter down the road, Ralph and his anger issues could lead to a good dynamic between Leo and him like there fight scene in the 2007 turtle) just a simple premise of the brothers wanting acceptance, splinter learning the humans he knew and saw aren’t as bad once they see the big picture of things, and. I guess the whole prom thing with April which was really cute
-which I guess gives them time to make these simple plots now, like and exmaple the mcu Spider-Man films specifically Homecoming where as when they feel more comfortable off adding serious and dark stories to this, people can actually feel and know the characters 🤔
Honesty, this might be my least favorite version of splinter. And probably the weakest version, too, but I did appreciate the jackie chan style fight scene.
5:27 Classic guy who only ever heard of the 80s show
As a TMNT fan, I wasn’t particularly excited when this movie was announced. I'll say this from jump, but I didn’t watch the movie, and my interpretation of it I got through cultural osmosis and echo chambers. From what I've seen, this was a HUGE departure from the standard TMNT fair. Especially with how far they aged them back. More closely resembling pre teens than teenagers. When the Spiderverse like animation was announced, the celebrity cast was dropped, and more and more trailers with comedic emphasis came out, I knew it wasn’t for me. It seemed like they were marketing to the least common denominator to get the most amount of the general audience without actually representing the source material (loose as the 'source material' may be due to TMNT marketing in the 80s) or having something to say. Let it be known that I'm not afraid of change. Rise of the TMNT is my second favorite TMNT show despite it being the most out there. But that was done to push boundaries, not conform to normality. It wasn't trying to be commercial, it was artistic with a clear, unique, boundary pushing vision. This, while it may be fun and pretty, felt vapid to me. And from everything I've been hearing, that checks out
I think the reason they seem a lot younger is really because of how teens are
@@The_og_moonwalker I'm also a teen. Their voices are way higher pitched than mine or my friends. Grade level above or below. Granted, I just turned 17, but I've always heard the TMNT being on the 15-17 age. Less so 13-14
@@Vegitodraws fair
Glad I'm not the only one who had these concerns. From the get go it seemed very much like they were trying to make it more broadly appealing to audiences rather than sticking to what makes TMNT so great in the first place, and what fans of TMNT really enjoy
I kinda forgive Rio 2 bad writing with psychedelic visuals but plot caters to casual movie goers and biology nerds
The only reason I’m hyped for the sequel is that the shredder WILL beat the shit out of the turtles