Anvil 087: Sharps Borchardt .45/120
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- After a rebarreling, this Sharps Borchardt needed a front sight dovetail barrel cut. Sights are important, and this unit is no exception. HUGE round......
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Music: Connecticut Big Bore Percussion Ensemble
When tapping a blind hole, I was taught to fill the hole with grease. The tap displaces the grease, which forces the chips out the top.
Good to know. Thanks
Great tip!
I absolutely love the .45-120. I've only ever shot it once and that was the only time my great uncle brought me out to the range. We bring out the usual suspects in .22, .45, and 30-30. Then he reveals this absolutely gorgeous single shot rifle the model of which I can't recall. He had picked it up in a horse trade with a box of ammo and wanted to try it out. So we spend the day knocking down soup cans, hitting steel, and putting rounds on paper. Every once in a while he would go over, load a single round, shoot it with a resultant thunderous crack and cloud of smoke. We were getting ready to leave, he had 4 shots left for it and asked if I wanted a go. Being the excitable teenager I was, I jumped at the opportunity. The rifle weighed me down like a brick in my hand, even on a shooting stand and She kicked like a mule. Still, I pulled the trigger and instantly fell in love with the round and rifle. I still have one of those rounds sitting on my desk from that range session. Bell brass with 550 gr cast lead projectile and lube grooves filled with beeswax. Powder and primer unknown. It accompanies a 10 GA 3 1/2 Magnum shell, a 50 BMG, the first .45 shell casing I ever shot, and a 40MM practice grenade.
Nice.....!
After 3 hours of splitting wood in 90 degree heat, sucking smoke from a fire some wackjobs lit- this is just what i needed to relax. Thanks mark and co
You,sir, are welcome
Good gunsmiths have become as rare as hens teeth! Great to watch a master at work Mark!
Once again, Mark IS the carbon based life form.
Content like this should have a 18+ advisory because it is pure smut. My dream rifle is a Shiloh Sharps in .45-70.
The mistake I think most people make when accusing you of not using measurements ect enough is industry standard practices that assume your making a dozen of these to be interchangeable. Your not, and so the time to make a perfect accurate drawing from measurements is a waste, because you've actually done a better job by being closer to ideal fit between two irregular parts than if you focused attention on making both parts closer to the center of an allowable nominal range. You can be accurate to 1000 measurements off the original item, and still produce a gun that doesn't work a damn, so fit for purpose means a lot more than how well it does anything else.
Well put, and on the money. I'm not a machinist, we are gunsmithing here
That doesn't fire a lead slug... When you pull the trigger, a very tiny, VERY ANGRY little man with a big ass sledge hammer runs out of the barrel and bludgeons whatever you are aiming at into a pile of goo.
As an Artilleryman, I wholeheartedly approve of that breach design!
Hey Mark! Really appreciate your voice overs during the machining rather than yelling over the machine. Great videos!
I am sure Matthew Quigley would approve!
What a lovely old thing, falling blocks have a class about them that few other firearms ever reach.
The blueing on the barrel is absolutely stunning! And man, knowing that the 36tpi tap for a 40tpi screw would lock in at about 7-9 turns strikes me as just another one of those things that jump out and say "damn this guy knows his craft"
As always it was a pleasure to get to see your work.
Two comments from older engineers that have stuck with me: 1) Nothing holds like a cross threaded screw, and 2) Never underestimate a determined idiot. I see you have found the wisdom of the first.
crossthreaded or stripped, tight is tight.
This isn't cross threaded, just creative use of the slop in whatever thread class his tap and screws are. Neat trick for a one of, not production friendly though.
@@Broken_Yugo It's not using up the slop though, it's misalignment of threads so they begin to interfere. It's creative, but it's still threads interfering.
@@ColburnFreml It's absolutely using up slop, the screw wouldn't start at all in a hole of the wrong pitch if there weren't some clearance between the two sets of threads. You see a similar trick used on manual lathes when cutting metric threads on an inch leadscrew or the other way around, the translation gearing isn't perfect so the pitch isn't perfect, but it isn't enough to matter if you don't have dozens of threads engaged or a very tight fit called for.
"I'm sure I'll take a lot of guff for that"
I notice how much you say that, yet you're also one of the best and most well known gunsmiths around...
Who on earth is criticizing you other than garage hobbyist keyboard warriors?
People with way too much OCD. They won't like something that works, just because it's technically not correct.
I think some of the legitimate criticism (in addition to the keyboard warriors who can just be ignored) has been from people who are experts in the particular field (like machining, wood working etc.). Their concerns may be valid in principle (like when he is using the "wrong" tool in the mill etc), but they are not used to dealing with firearms, especially priceless, irreplaceable ones, like Mark is. I think there was one comment on that in the MP18 video, where he used the "wrong" fixture in the mill, potentially risking the drill/cutter being destroyed. On a typical machining job, that is a bad idea. You don't want to risk a tool worth multiple hundreds of dollars. But when you are dealing with a registered MP18 receiver, something that historically and legally simply cannot be recreated, risking the tool (which may be expensive, but replaceable) is a much better alternative.
Another source of issue has been the deliberation between "perfect" and "good enough". He is running a business after all, and he is getting paid to do the job well (and from everything I have seen is doing them exceptionally well), but perfection costs time. Sometimes taking a short cut may be "wrong", but the result is good enough (especially if you have the experience that Mark does and know when taking the shortcut is ok when it is not) and it saves a lot of time. Time that can be better spent on getting other customer's pieces done and out the door.
You probably don't see most of the guff because it isn't always in the comments section. I'm sure plenty of the expert keyboardists take to email.
@@TheBigOne0305 That's legitimately a good explanation, thanks.
@@TheBigOne0305 YES, well put. They would go broke as a gunsmith. I would go broke as a machinist, and have said so MANY TIMES
Mr.Novak your skill and experience is unparallelled in my book. You are truly a joy to watch!
The cut in to the bore, that You talked about was not a mistake, it was "Porting" at no extra charge.
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My Pedersoli rolling block 50-140 laughs at that limp wristed 45-120!
"The proof of the pudding is in the eating"...... Someone who actually knows the saying properly and therefore the proper context. Subscribed.
Elmer Keith used to write about 700 grain bullets in that cartridge. He said, wrote, it would go through logs that would stop a 30/06 infantry load.
Probably would. A standard .45-70 trapdoor load. 500gr bullet 70grs BP will penetrate 18" of solid pine at 100 yards. The 1879 Sandy hook test found that the .45-70-500 was accurate to 2,000 yards and lethal to 3500 yards.
@@outspokengenius Yup, and anybody who does not believe it should read, "The .45-70 at two miles!"
What a gift you have, not only in your meticulous preparation, but in the way you explain your process so that it can be easily understood by anyone, both professional and novice. And you have fun explaining it! Excellent skills and work ethic make you a Master Gunsmith. Thanks!
Octagonal barrrels always look so elegant and classy.
I don't watch all of Mark's videos, but the ones I do watch, I am always impressed!
.45/120, when you absolutely positively have to take down that T Rex.
when the T-rex is in the driveway and you're in the back yard of the inlaws the next county over
Level 3 .45-70 reloads fired from a falling block Ruger works just as well.
Any round with H&H or Weatherby after the caliber will work. Lions, Tigers, Bears and Elephants agree.
There''s no denying she's a real beaut! there's something about that action that ticks all the right boxes for me, It's like a 1 man artillery piece, wrapped in wood! of course, It helps that the barrel is the correct shape too, octagonal beats round any time!
I just love the Anvil series. Can't get enough of it 👍🏻
thanks for showing the rear sights better. your attention to detail makes the videos great. keep up the good work.
Very nice, just got rid of my Pedersoli Sharps, 45-120. I had it over 10 year and never fired a full box of ammo thru it. I put the Creedmoor sites on it with rear peep marked to 1800 yards. I had planned on shooting a moose with it in Washington, but the war started and my life stopped. It was a beautiful rifle. It was the Quigley Gun, 34 inch Octagonal barrel, engraved with a moose on one side and Buffalo on the other.
Special rifle for a special task. When the stars fail to align, pass it on......
What an absolute beautiful firearm
In this era , a Ruger nr 1 in .450 NE is a cheap conversion or find a Boddington model . From .45-70 levels up to close to .460 Wby and all in between .
YES....
I really do ENJOY your work and commentary. In another life I would have enjoyed being your apprentice.
German word of the day:. "Klaus, how tight should I turn the screw? Guttentight!"
Isn't that the German word for "virgin"?
Hexagonal barrels are so farkin cool lookin
Mark, you are one of a very few whose videos hold me in rapt attention from beginning to end. Great work, sir.
I 2nd this.
I love it. It’s like this old house but with firearms
I own a 45-70 Sharps Borchardt with a 28 inch barrel plus one that someone rebarreled into a 303 necked down to a 6.5mm. My son wants to rebarrel it to a 45-110 with a 30" barrel. Saving the money.
A 303 necked down to 6.5? How does that work was that sort of thing a common practice back then?
I really do love watching your videos. You truly are a Master Gunsmith. Thank you for sharing.
If you miss your target, just the roar from that very mobile artillery will scare it to death!😁
Gud'n Tight... first time I have heard a pro admit to going with tighter TPI in a blind hole... good for you sir. Allways enjoy and learn stuff from your vids. Thanks,
“You can substitute a British #2 lead, marston isn’t gonna wait”
My dad has a Shailoh Sharps in 45-120, you sure know when it goes off.
I also would use the word "nail driver" to describe it, but that would imply that there is any nail left to drive after one single shot.
Aren't you launching the nails with that?
Beautiful gun and beautiful work, thank you so much for sharing!
That round looks like a magic marker. Lmao
Absolutely ridiculous how big that thing is, I love it.
This guy is the Columbo of guns: humble, homely but brilliant.
i love the work Mark. i always look forward to having the proper time to watch these great videos, and bruno always is on point with the camerawork.......
I'm 62 years old this August. I've shot since I was 5 or 6 with a .22, and 7 with my first .222 Remington.
Thanks Dad ! Mark Novak you managed to clear a few things up for me with this video....hand position, balance position, rear sight placement......to name a few..
Thank You Sir ! Seriously. You've cleared a few things up for me watching your videos.
I don't know why but I have always loved the big Sharps cartridges. I have had the plan for a big No 1 Remington rolling block build for years. I had the plan for years but I really got hyped when I read 'Mr single shot's Gunsmithing idea book' by Frank De Haas in the 1980s. Maybe i will build one before I die.
I'm not sure why. I have no practical use for it. Maybe it's a Walter Mitty thing about being a great buffalo hunter!
Nice work and Great video!
Take Care and be safe, John
Do it man. I've been bitten by the single shot bug, namely rolling blocks. I want to have one built and already have the action for it, just haven't decided the caliber yet and also have to find somebody that can do the work at an affordable price. My funds for such projects are very small lol.
Always enjoy your ability to tell the story..thanks.
45-120 is an awesome round. Love this channel. It’s a pleasure watching.
As always, very interesting videos with lots of tips and tricks and professional knowledge and the experience to back it all up. Thank you very much, Sir!
First person I've heard get the proof in the pudding idiom right. Much respect, from a pedantic jerk who loves old idioms.
I like the fact he could care less about political correctness . Need more people like that
Outstanding work!
Gorgeous piece of artillery!
That ought to rock your world. Goodbye shoulder.
Hear that bullet leaving the barrel with the microphone the use is absolutely epic!
Nice transition from a barrel in the white to fully blued and mounted!
Beautiful work on a beautiful rifle. That particular rifle is just amazing.
Your a smart man...God has blessed you...Thank you for your educational video
I don't know where to post this question, so here goes. When I was a kid we had a house full of guns. We had three Winchester lever actions, two 94's, one was a .30--30 and one was a .32 special. We also had a model 71 in .348. Each had been worked on by a gunsmith in Waltham, Massachusetts. The tube magazines had been cut down to improve balance and special scope mounts had been built on each. The front of each scope was attached with a swiveling post. The rear of the scope was attached to a curved ramp on the receiver. It must have been a dovetailed cut, as there was no up and down movement. When you levered a spent shell out and a new one in, the whole rear of the scope swiveled to the left, allowing the shell to go up and out. They were brilliant mounts. I remember going to the gunsmith's house when I was 13 or 14. He was showing my stepfather and I a .45-70 revolver he had just made. This was in 1963 or 4. I remember holding it in my hand. Due to the balance it did not feel heavy, even in my young hand. I have looked and never seen anything regarding a sight anything like these. Mark or anyone, do you know of these sights or this guy?
Never seen anything like it, and most of those men have passed. Sounds amazing, especially if it held zero....
@@marknovak8255 On each of these, one loosened a knurled (I think it was checkered) round metal piece at the front that screwed the pivoting post on the scope to the rifle. Then the whole scope slid off the back. You could replace the unit by reversing those steps. It would be spot on accurate every time. Whatever accuracy was sighted in was still there when the unit was replaced. I'm not sure what you mean by 'holding zero', but it that's what you mean it did. And the .348 wouldn't budge it.
Use thread interference to lock the screw in? That is brilliant!
That’s a beautiful rifle.
This was fantastic. Your presentation is relaxed and very informative. I’ve subscribed to see more like this. Hope they keep coming
Yep. He talks about milling in a dovetail near the crown of the rifle barrel like I talk about tying my shoes. Only a master gunsmith can do the things he does.
Mark - I dont wanna tell ya how to do your job, but stub up your grip points on the work and the cutters and tool life will increase tenfold. Nice work, bud!
Remember this isn't production machining. These tools might only need to last long enough to make a single cut.
i agree that the barrel could be closer to the vise, i imagine some concessions need to be made to assure a good camera angle
@@jim7700 that's what I figured was going on, yeah
@@d3faulted2 still expensive to grind out one tool per job.
Nice job on the gun all I can say is Quigley Down Under you can put the bucket out a little further.
That's what I was thinking too 😂
Mark what a beautiful gun! That would stop an Elephant if it was hit in the right place either brain or heart shot I am sure. Wonderful tutorial as to milling and fitting a front sight. Great job mate!
You can not get a straight tap by hand.
Tap a small block on your mill using the quill then use the block to guide your tap.
Only need to start the tap straight. Also if you conventional mill with your key way cutter it won't pull the table and break your cutter or chatter. Sorry my tool and die maker is coming out. Love your channel not trying to nit pick just advice.
My favorite carbon-based life form-generated digital video content: Mark Novak's UA-cam channel. It's endless "entertainment."
Mark, I want to preface what I am about to say with this. I am a huge fan of you and your channel, you Sir are a fine gunsmith and do great work. Now with that said a few of your comments are just wrong, way wrong. One is to the rear sight location. I am a Long Range and silhouette shooter of Black Powder Cartridge rifles. At a long range match we shoot out to 1,000 yds and Silhouette the farthest target is shot at 547 yds which is 100 yds further than a quarter of a mile. In each and every case these sports are shot with a "Tang" rear sight that is a mere 1/2" or so from the eye. Any "good" iron sight shooter should know that once the target is acquired the focus shifts to the "FRONT" sight, the rear sight is of no consequence at all. One other thing you got completely wrong was the use of a ladder type saddle sight for the rear in conjunction with a aperture front sight , this simple will not work if you actually want to hit anything, while you can use a aperture "REAR" sight with a post front sight you cannot to the opposite. Also while I am at it--today shooting a period correct ( of the Era 1973 to 1885) scope with its tiny 3/4 " tube has become very popular and there are today separate scope class's for this type of shooting. The adjustment for the scope must be external, as that tiny 3/4" tube will not accept internal adjustments. Today these scopes routinely shot out to distances greater than 1,000 yds.
I like to see all the different kinds of guns that are out there and learn about them. Keep up the good work
I bet May from C@R arsenal would love to shoot that rifle
I fired a 45/110 at a gun shoot in Idaho. It was built by a gun smith and I got to try it out 200 yard peep site trigger set beautiful rifle fired from the sitting posision using crossed sticks as a rest. I was about 160 lb then. When I fired it would lift me up and move me back a good 6 inches that I would but cheek walk back to wear I was set up for my cross stick rest the target was a 5/8 th in RT gage steel plate as big as a garbage can lid on a swinging tripod one of my shot flipped that plate 360°. I got 10 rounds flinched one round got dirt. So 9 out of 10 not bad. Then this young boy 11 years old i think he was got 10 out of 10. Hell of a good shot. I shook that young fellows hand. He had the biggest smile. I'll bet he still has it when he think about that shoot. It was a big single action shoot. Great bunch of fellows I even took home a Uberty 1850 45 ball New Army. That was back in early 1980's I believe. Still have that cap & ball just as pretty as the day I won it. I love black powder as they say shoots fast loads a might slow. Having a few preloaded wheels help though😉.
That house hunting joke was good. If you have any renovations to do you could probably use this instead of a hole hog to run the electric. Fantastic work.
Mark,
I appreciate you hanging out out there telling everyone who listens this 8-40/36 technique. Let the haters hate, what works will work regardless of the detractors. Mechanical interference by metal instead of locktite, but a novel concept, just one not well embraced.
Thanks for taking the time to explains how you were seeing it up.
love your work Mark.
Thank you Mark for sharing!
Gotta love natures locktite
"An experimental weapon, with experimental ammunition...."
Such a great movie!
You got that noise right!!
Just , WOW 👌!!! ,, Beautiful weapon and loved the milling class 😉
Thanks for info really useful information, logic in why it's positioned in relation to balance of rifle and eye focus better than going to school.Yup
That made my shoulder hurt watching you guys shoot that beast
Mechanical interference is a valid locking method for those screws, however it is not superior to an anaerobic threadlocker.
In automotive we have these fasteners down to a perfected science. That includes thread locking geometries and adhesives.
otm646 would automotive or aero applications have the same shock loadings on the screws as every time that rifle fires?
@@MrCyphermonkey Automotive is a horrendous environment. It is more concerned with continuous and varying vibration than shock, but there is a lot of shock too, especially on suspension parts. I wouldn't be surprised if vibration and shock accelerations in automotive exceed what this gun produces in recoil. Think about it -- would you want to put your shoulder against the lower front arm when driving down a rough dirt road?
Be careful with threadlockers. I recently used some blue loktite on a scope mount and a week later it had not set up. The tube was probably 20 years old.
@@dbmail545 I believe the blue Lock Tite sets up in the absence of air. It locks the threads, and stays liquid out in the open.
My Brother has a Sharps 45-120 and personally using black powder it feels more like a push rather than a kick. But if you are around other people it is sure to bring everyone over to see what the hell you just fired.
You say that like it's a bad thing! 🤣
@@ScottKenny1978 Nope we got to meet some real nice people. when my brother asked one young kid if he would like to shoot it, you would have thought he had won the lottery. The smile on his face afterwards lit up the room.
@@terrygardner3031 I think the kid did win the lottery!
Definitely one of my most favorite gun channels
Thanks. Please help spread the word
@@marknovak8255
Will do.
I'm in CNC classes and the teacher is a gun enthusiast like us.
You should see what he can do with his machines.
@@jtjjbannie, your in Communists of North Corea?
@@hazard4349
You mean "Korea"?Uh no.
@@jtjjbannie, nah I mean Corea, like the country
Living only a couple hour from the green mountain rifle barrel factory I've put them on every gun I can, and have never been let down
Of course, you know,, You are a genius. Cheers
It will have the trajectory of a rainbow, but it will surely strike like lightning, excellent work !!!!
Let's just say that this bullet WILL exit.
That is one hell of a cigar.
A fantastic project! Nice to see these bad boys are still around. Thank you for sharing your skills and knowledge!
It's a National sin that Mark Novak only has 125,000 followers. WTF America? The man is an absolute 💯% LEGEND!.
Beautiful job!
That is one helluva gun there. Excellent work, as always
Love to watch a master at work!
Picked up a box of 730gr cast bullets for my buddy's .45-120 recently. The bullet alone is 1.69" long. Should I just put my neck in a brace now, or see how it goes at the range? ;)
How did it go?
And what on earth is he using 730gr for? 2000yd shots?!?
@@ScottKenny1978 We haven't had the chance to try them yet, unfortunately. They were honestly more of an impulse purchase than anything, and when he opened the box, he said "we'll give 'em a try, but you're lighting the first one off".
@@Smokin78Squire too bad about the lack of range time. If you're in Idaho, I'd be game to touch one off.
The old Whitworth rifles apparently used 530gr loads and were accurate to over 1000 yards, and the Sandy Hook tests showed a .45-70 loaded with a 500gr was still lethal at 3500 yards. Of course, at that distance your target is an infantry battalion, not an individual.
So that beast should be most impressive!
If the wife ever questions the time you spend on your "hobby", just spend one whole day with her, and she'll ask,"Don't you have anything else to do?"
Such an amazing rifle, as always thanks for sharing with us 🇺🇸
I love your explanations. Also your voice has a very calming sound
So I may have just found my next rifle...
Wonderful work! Always respect a well-fitted dovetail.
Great video brother thank you for your knowledge and expertise and taking the time to share your knowledge with us thank you my brother
that gun makes TUUUUUF instead of BOOOOM
My cousin husband's family's farm stead, had in the cow feeder was about 40 of those round, plus several others. All was destroyed in a barn fire.