Why the Rookie Excuse is Quickly Running Out for Logan Sargeant
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I think the likes of Verstappen, Charles, Lewis, Lando, and maybe even Piastri have ruined our judgement of rookies, he’s only in his first season, which isn’t even over, all rookies need time to grow, at least two years if you ask me.
Agreed. Not all rookies are generational talents . Some need more time to develop. Button and Rosberg are good examples of that
Totally. We've been spoilt when it comes to outstanding rookies in the last 20 years, more specifically after Lewis & Seb, for the last 8-9 years, sometimes with a few top newbies together. They used to come in different years, sometimes with big gaps between them. I don't think that new F1 fans truly appreciate how lucky we are!
He's doing fine for a rookie in a tricky car. Yes, it's better than over the past few years, but even Alex says it's not an easy car to drive. Compare Logan to Schumacher's second year (given the dire Haas in his rookie year, we can't even consider him in that one and be fair!), and I think he's doing better than him. He's bringing the car home more often than not, he's had a few good scraps... I think he deserves at least 2 years before anyone starts the rumour mill.
Ur right and wrong at the same time. Verstappen Charles Lando etc are good examples of what top talent should be like in the junior series. What the F1 fanbase does wrong is hyping every junior driver that breathes, Mick Schmuacher, Theo Pourchaire, Felipe Drugovich. Mick Schmuacher can't lace Leclerc Lando or even Piastri's boots. What the fanbase needs to understand is that theres a place for the future world champions, & also a place for the midfield pack, the new Hulkenberg, Grosjean, Kamui, Perez etc. Not every bloody F2 champion is a future world champion
There just in a nothing to talk about part of the season:
After the last race he was safe but now 3 weeks later he’s in jeopardy cus there’s nothing else to talk about.
There rebuilding Williams
That’s not gonna be dumping drivers after 1 season in F1 especially cus he’s not destroying equipment.
Learning takes time Albon has years and years of experience and many ups and downs.
All that is going to help/mentor him in the years to come.
Your correct that our perception has been ruined but i have to disagree. It’s just not possible or fair in todays driver market to give rookies 2 years to adapt. There’s only 20 seats and so much talent coming though the junior series, if drivers can’t kick on straight away then I’m afraid the chance has to go to someone else. It’s brutal / cut throat I know, but unfortunately that’s the game
Have we really gotten to the point where we don’t give rookies time to grow and mature into F1? More importantly, what were we expecting-for Logan to hop in and immediately outperform Alex? Logan was rushed into F1, he’s mostly kept the car in one piece and he’s had races where he’s shown good potential (Silverstone, Bahrain and Austria for instance). He should be given a second chance with the clear expectation that he has to take a step up in performance next year. That’s what happened with Yuki and I think it’s fair to say the trust AT placed in him paid off.
Honestly if he doesn't score Monza or Vegas he needs to go
Its also very silly because Williams' big problems are their old facilities and lack of experienced engineers. They'd get a lot more speed from fixing these 2 problems than switching drivers. Not even Aryton Senna can change the fact that the car is still a straight line machine with low downforce.
But somehow all these armchair team principals think Logan should be replaced already.
No, that was the standard all the time, in the 80s in a backmarker or midfield team any rookie who couldn'r measure up to his teammate was lucky if he got half a season.
@@RdeCGamingyou have no clue what you’re talking about lmfao
Albon was slightly slower than Kvyat (then gasly trashed him so bad he was out). Destroyed by max, worse than lawson by some way in DTM, beats Awful latifi (but proven shit DE VRIES easily replaced Albon at Monza on no notice) and now beating another rookie. Any driver that lets fuckin Alex Albon or Tsunoda look like Alonso should be fired immediately. Albon would get rinsed by a top driver. Probably lose to the alpine pair. Can we stop pretending Albon is great and carrying Williams!?
We've seen logan's potential and speed in the junior ranks, I think our memories are too short. While obviously, F1 is a massive step up, there's no denying his skill. He's even competed directly with Piastri before and has not been far off. I genuinely believe that if williams give him another shot next year, he'll be good to go
Real. Give him a second season to really get his head around how the car wants to be driven and I think we’ll see a strong battle between him and Alex. Logan’s issue are very clearly that he just doesn’t know how the car wants to be driven in varying conditions and set ups. He doesn’t have a strong feel for the underlying tendencies and habits of the car. Once he has that I think we’ll see his pace jump forward at LEAST 5 tenths
Logan just needs more time. He has potential tbh, it's a shame if Williams will let go of him too early.
I didn’t see this kind of energy when Mick was at the halfway point of the season causing millions of damage for his team?
It's because of his surname
Haas was a sh*tbox made of lego. Mick actually improved race after race and even schooled Kevin in 2nd part of the year. Not to mention their “amazing” strategy calls and phenomenally fast pitstops. No one can succeed in haas.
@@Crosby69well Hulk came back after 2 years off and is schooling Mags way worse. So that doesn’t say much
@@Crosby69 Schooled Kevin ?, Perhaps in modelling clothes. I think he should have schooled himself as his average finishing position was worse than the first half of the season but he did finish the races. He is now schooling Lewis and George.
Because mick was absolutely demolishing mazepin ?? Wtf kinda reasoning are u even on
people forget logan’s phantom quali lap in jeddah. it was only deleted because he touched the pit entry line on the main straight. it was absolutely rapid. he has the pace. he just needs to unlock that pace more consistently.
How the hell can you go over track limits when driving in a straight line, that is such a stupid and silly mistake and was costly.
@@henrywilliams4170 it happened. it was stupid on his part. they deleted his lap. but that doesn’t take away from the brilliance of that lap.
Lets face it, this Logan situation only exists because half of the fanbase wants Mick Schmuacher back in F1. Even though Mick's junior career has been nothing special, so as his f1 performances
This 100% this
I don't think Schumacher is that special. But at least he was a F2 champion. Unlike Logan who finished 4th but was promoted to the seat because he was a Williams driver and for the US market.
@isaacm2374 u forgot 1 crucial factor, F2 champions mean jack shit if they took 2-3 seasons to win it. Its better to look at their first seasons. Mick was in PREMA, best F2 team imo, Logan got Carlin, a rlly gd F2 team oso. Logan finished 4th yes but it was his 1st season, Mick finished 11th in his 1st season, behind Antoine Hubert, who errr did not finish the season *cough* yeah.
@@javierplays9516😳😳😳
@@isaacm2374wasn't he F3 and F2 champion?
Williams themselves say he probably should have had one more season in F2 before the jump to F1. I’ve followed his junior career since F3. He nearly beat Piastri as teammates at Prema in F3, nearly didn't have a drive and took the tractor that was the Charouz F3 car to multiple podiums before being picked up by Williams Young Driver Program. Was basically level with his teammate Lawson in F2 then got promoted. The man needs more time in the car and has proven that the raw speed is there to deserve a second season, he's just green
I don't get this. Williams admitted that Logan needed another year in F2. Last season, I wouldn't even put Logan in my top 6 F2 drivers. I think 2024 is when they'll start to judge him, similar to how AlphaTauri started judging Yuki in 2022.
Next few races are very important for him. As Alguersuari said on a podcast, it's ok to not score points but you have to show progress and pace, otherwise you're done for
Nav again
Did you time travel
Nav how tf did you comment before the video dropped 😭
@@pranjalpande2833bro idk anymore 😭😭 I've got UA-cam VIP Premium or some shit
@@pranjalpande2833 Average NavF1 moment
bruh, it’s his rookie year, and he’s doing pretty well, each race he’s improving and honestly he’s on the brink of a point finish potentially, how about we all realize not every rookie is Hamilton, Verstappen, Pastri, and etc
It seems as though the addition for Max, Charles, Lando, George, and Piastri has warped the perception of how good rookies should be.
He was brought in a year earlier than planned by Williams themselves, they knew what they were getting into when they promoted him ahead of their own plans for him. They are also taking their time to prepare him because they know he is not ready yet.
Hell, he is from the Williams academy, promoted because he's the only one who has gotten enough points to do so. And he was promoted amidst the Alpine silly season, where the core of the entire silly season was Alpine refusing to put their own junior driver into the team. Williams promoting him is a subtle move to tell people that the Williams academy is a viable route to F1. It would be very stupid to drop him so quick.
And a better second driver isn't going to fix Williams' bigger problems, sure if they had 2 Albons they'd have more points, but the car still remains a straight line machine with low downforce. What Williams need in the short term isn't better drivers, but rather upgrading their facilities and hiring more experienced engineers to better develop the car. Williams would get more gains if they could develop their car more effectively than they would from changing drivers. Remember, Williams' plans are long term, even James Vowles said he would need 5 years or so to get the team back into fighting form. In the time they take to rebuild the team into proper fighting form, Logan would most probably have already matured as a driver into what they need from him.
Are we forgetting this guy almost beat Piastri to the F3 title in 2020? Are we forgetting how quick he was in Saudi qualifying until his incident?
Logan pushed Piastri right to the end in their F3 season. I think give him time, he won’t be like Piastri, who I see a top driver in the next few years. But maybe he can develop in to a solid mid field driver in the coming years. He’s definitely not as bad as Latifi or Mazepin.
Logan is struggling bcuz he doesn’t know wtf is a Kilometer🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
😂
Can you think up another joke? It's getting really old at this point.
I remember watching quali in jeddah and logan easily had pace to get into q3. He just before the finish line put one of his wheels on the painted bit and his time got deleted. that was a shame and I was really sad
Literally that lap never gets talked about or remembered. That lap showed Logan is capable of SENDING the car. He just needs time to build a better feel for the car to do it consistently. That whole weekend he was only able to talk about how good the car felt. When it’s in a window he likes Logan will shine. He just needs the time to learn how to get the car in that window.
Give the man another season he deserves at least 2
Nobody "deserves" anything
@@deathmachineyt3254Logan was literally pulled out of F2 an entire year early by William’s own admission. The least they can do is give him a second season when he’s shown as much improvement as he has so far.
Nah.... Alex has been around for many a years. Logan should not be dumped on one season. Alex is a veteran at this point. Driving for the best team on the grid. Logan is driving the worst car on the grid. Give him time and stop chastising people in one or two seasons.
This is Albon's fourth season in F1. Not exactly a veteran.
@@OnurP1true, not only 4 years is still on the low end to call it veteran level, he doesn't have any F1 experience at all when he got the seat at Toro Rosso, let alone multiple FP1 session like Russell and Piastri, haven't even got any real F1 connection until after Abu Dhabi 2018.
He's not though, the Alpha Tauri is often as bad, if not worse. Same with the Alfa Romeo and Haas. Williams is no longer the worst. The problem with Logan is that he's shown pace but no real consistency in terms of capitalising. Whenever he's looking good and mixing it up, he often crumbles and makes a mistake. That's been the story of his season so far. I think he should still get to see the season out but if the trend doesn't change I think it's fair to have the conversation. I don't expect him to be on Alex level, I just expect him to be not make mistakes.
Williams is 7th best now
American or not one season is not usually enough to determine if a driver is good enough for F1. Logan isn't out there crashing every weekend or a moving chicane and I think he should be given more time
Thanks for making this video for me - that's my guy Logan right there man 🏈
Omg the "then"s instead of "than"s in your videos…! Killing me.
The "you have to be putting immediate pressure on your teammate or else" thing is getting tired tbh. Let these guys settle in. Watching the grid cycle through a billion rookies isn't very compelling.
Common Aldas L. Sargeant is under no pressure at the moment. The guy is 12 races in for gods sake, and he hadn't had extensive testing time like Piastri did, yes he is being beat by Albon, but tbh Albon never drove on this level. Vowels supports Logan, and I don't think the "Rookie excuse" runs out in less than half a season tbh.
I just don't think it makes sense to dump a rookie after one year that hasn't been a serious risk to drivers on the track. That said, Logan has been getting killed in qualifying because of track limits. Rookies need the space to push the car and he has. If he can reduce the amount of deleted laps and continue to be great at passing people in lap one, he'd be in good shape. Williams admitted they moved him up a year too early so they need to give him that additional time he didn't get in F2.
y’all are being way too harsh. bro’s comparing him to Piastri as if the McLaren & Williams can be compared at all. OF COURSE Sargeant isn’t gonna be better than Albon, Logan barely had much time in F2 nevermind F1. stop looking at points totals & stats, Logan is right where he should be rn, Albon is overperforming in one of the worst cars on the grid. I just find it so funny that y’all conveniently forget that he did well in Bahrain for his first race, was ONE position off the points in Silverstone & was having a really good race in Hungary before the spin. rookies deserve at least 2 seasons, stop writing people off after half of one. for a rookie in a Williams he’s been decent, WAY better than Latifi.
Norris is better than Albon and Oscar is closer to Norris than Sargeant is to Albon.
Look at the start of the season
@@Beau_RivageSaying the Williams is "not bad" in corners is criminal it's the worse car this year in mid speed corners and the third worse in low speed
I don't get you people, first you complain how bad RedBull is for kicking out De Vries, but literally a few weeks later it's okay to kick out Sargeant because he can't beat his teammate with like 5 times more experience? Wiliams is at most the 6th fastest car in some races, but in many races it's last, many people made stupid excuses for De Vries' performance, he was driving in a faster than Wiliams car, but was scoring lower position, but now that the slowest driver is off the grid it's time to look for another driver to kick out? It's disgusting to be honest, I understand looking for drama, but wanting Logan to get kicked out because he isn't Albon is just such a stupid idea. You can't compare Piastri and Logan, not only did Logan not win the F2 championship like Piastri so from the start we knew he wasn't as fast, but also they are on the opposite sides of the grid, one is fighting for the wins and the other is fighting to get out of Q2.
Kinda hard to beat when rookies like piastri and alonso is perfoming so well and with alonso having multiple podiums already
Thing is Sargent was not ready to be in f1.
As Franz Tost said, "a rookie needs 3 years"...
Why are we acting like Williams “upgrades” will turn the car into a consistent points scorer? Williams isn’t the only team on the grid to upgrade they’re car.
I think you are generally neutral but you are way off on this one. How about we give rookies a chance to grow?
Being a statistics maniac, I looked through the whole 80s seasons of F1, and not gonna lie, I see Logan as the manifestation of Eddie Cheever. A quick American talent, but only quick enough to be a midfielder. When Alain was challenging for the 1983 title in a Renault, Eddie in the same machinery only managed a P7 in the final standings. I can see Logan is heading towards his senior compatriot's direction here, even if he gets another 4 or 5 seasons in a second-best team.
Give a rookie backmarker cars that cant compete without proper experience and less downforce than a F2 car. They dont wreck the car constantly but also dont score points and then replace them for a new rookie just to start the circle over again. What could go wrong.
Why is the only thing these UA-camrs can talk about Logan’s seat? He is THE ONLY true rookie on the grid, there is no reasonable benchmark for him. He was pulled out of F2 at LEAST one full season early, and he’s adapted well. He has openly acknowledged his short comings and knows what he must do to improve more than he already has. You can’t pull someone out of their rookie F2 season and reasonably expect them to perform, if they do, they’re the exception. Performing right out the gates is NOT normal. Tsunoda was the last rookie given a fair and proper shot as a rookie. Logan needs time. And frankly it’s not like Williams are in a position where getting a second super strong driver is a necessity. They still need to figure out how to develop their car and fix their facilities. Developing a driver from their academy and keeping Albon on board is their safest best across the board. Logan has showed glimpses of amazing speed and talent, but trying to say that’s not normal in a talented rookie is ridiculous. Of course we only have glimpses so far. He’s still adapting to the insane sensitivity jump of F2 to F1. The cars are COMPLETELY different driving experiences. All these content creators and big names trying to say Logan’s seat for next year should be in question have completely forgotten that true rookies need at least two seasons to show marked and considerable progress that shows in the timing chart. They need to chill tf out with the pressure and actually use their brains more than their instincts.
you’re doing my head in now Aldass
sargeant looks like a little bit yuki light version cause hes not doing well in his rookie season but not bad enough to kick him out i would give him a few seasons and see how it goes
why do you keep spreading misinformation about williams being the slowest car? its simply not true, in the races haas and AT have been slower and in quali most of the time alfa romeo has been slower
I hope Logan gets like 7th in Vegas or Austin, that'd be amazing.
The spin in Hungary was the result of an engine issue. If you go back and listen to the engine just before the spin, something happened to it to cause the spin and the immediate retirement.
We have to remember that but for a couple of incidents with Lewis Hamilton, Alex Albon would have a couple of race wins to his name from his time in the Red Bull. Albon is very good. I'd be surprised if He isn't in a front running car in the next few years. He wasn't that far off Verstappen until the ridiculous F1 pressure machine Sargeant is now suffering, and the even more ridiculous Red Bull internal pressure to match the team-mate killer got to him, at the time an inexperienced F1 driver. Sargeant is doing okay for a rookie - Better than Mick did. Better than Sir Lancelot did. Let us not forget that Haas were all ready to keep Massive Spin until the conflict in Ukraine precluded that. It's only the Red Bull machine that spits drivers out before they've had a chance to prove themselves. Jean-Eric Vergne. Pierre Gasly. Albon.
He's literally halfway in to his first season and doing ok. He's not on Alex's level, but I don't think that's surprising or particularly damning.
He's miles better than latifi, give him some fucking time to grow before putting out these pressure pieces.
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Why does no one talk about Piastri having a full yr of testing with alpine?
Because he wasn't in any racing series 15 months prior to f1 debut.
@@henrywilliams8313 he was testing real f1 cars! Not f2 cars he has the most f1 mileage of any recent rookie
@@mikedelisle8479 true but most of that was in an alpine not a McLaren and secondly it wasn't a current gen ground effect car.
Oscar has been rated like Leclerc and Russell. Oscar also drives for McLaren who have copied the Red Bull more and more in terms of chassis design, suspension layout and geometries, aero packages. McLaren have recently hit front-running pace. Williams, as James Vowles said, lack the organizational and technical tools to get there.
He hasn’t done anything wrong imo. It would be much worse putting surname man in the car.
At the very least Logan has to finish just behind Albon by the end of the year (something like 1 or 2 places behind) consistently. I don't really expect him to score points immediately, but at the very least him being close to his teammate could silence some of the critics he has. But come next year he has to start finishing ahead of Albon and scoring points not necessarily to secure his seat but to at least have a justification for him being in F1 in others' eyes. No question Williams got his back, but for his sake he needs to start showing stronger performances next year.
I don’t think Logan will start to show improvement on the time chart until the second half of next season. He’s shown he has the raw speed in his junior career, but he’s so green he needs that time to SHOW his speed due to the jump in complexity with the car. Even this year I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect him to significantly close the gap to Albon. He’s the first true rookie since Tsunoda took the grid, and we’re seeing how long it took Tsunoda to properly get a groove. THREE seasons. Logan deserves at least two given how early he was promoted, but I still think it’s reasonable to give him three years to show his speed.
Rookie excuse can work for few races, not for whole season.
Also, as much as I like Logan, I think that he was rushed into F1 and could have used another year in F2. Williams really should have signed De Vries or even (can't believe I'm about to say this) Schumacher.
I think that was capito’s plan, to keep him in f2 for 2023 initially, but because of the Piastri silly season, they had to rush Sargeant into the seat cuz they ran out of options
There was still Drugovich without a permanent seat, he deserved at least half a season on the grid, but they just rushed Sargent because of conercial value
@@diegoemanuel8641 commercial value along with perhaps a lower salary compared to drugovich, so nothing but upside financially.
@@chrisdawson9312 Is Drugovich any better. I know he has won F2 but how many years did it take? Drugowich would not want more money than Sargeant. He wants a seat.
@@bjs7442 I’ll be honest, I saw his salary as being higher only because he won f2, and sargeant didn’t. I don’t know if he actually asked for more money. Considering Aston Martin has a pretty lucrative bank account tho, I could see money talking in this situation.
I guess the other issue is that if Williams didn’t use a rookie driver in their driver program, and used another rookie, it wouldn’t look good
They given Latifi a time to develop, but sadly he didn’t, I’m sure they’ll be patient with Sargeant.
that was a completely different situation :-) latifi paid for his seat, actually saving the team from bankruptcy.
so of course they kept him for as long as they needed his funding.
He’s getting smashed by Albon,,, Generally speaking… After 12 races he should of flashed something by now,, Look at Piastri….and what people forget F1 only had 16 races give or take for a couple decades,,,qualifying is good indication of how good a a rookie can be,,, let’s not forget Schumachers legendary qualifying in the Jordan 191 at Spa 1991,, he qualified higher then his teammate Andrea De Cesaris who had been in F1 since 1980… oh And Americans like winners they don’t care about an American just being in F1…
This is further evidenced by Haas being the "American" team. I was at the Austin GP last year, and let me tell you, no one was cheering for Haas, even when they kept pushing the whole "let's hear it for the home team" nonsense. Fans will cheer for winners, winner heritage, or someone who is at the front, not mediocre backmarkers.
@@Romulus1001We don’t cheer for Haas because they aren’t American. Just American-owned. Their own TP said that they wouldn’t sign anyone from the US
This kind of thing pisses me off. Logan hasnt been that bad but because piastri is in a better car and getting better results (and Oscar is a better driver right now) suddenly Logan isnt good enough? People only want mick to come back into F1 but actually Mick was nothing special in F1 and took multiple years to win F3/F2 titles. I think Haas were justified in dropping Mick after 2 years.
Honestly its not even really about Logan being a rookie. Its that he was brought into F1 too early. He didnt get enough time to develop as a driver in F2
Pressure will be on at Monza, Williams was less competitive last year and De Vries managed to score
Christ, learning curves are a thing 😂😂😂😂
I know this is not about young drivers but the only young drivers that i can see becoming future f1 drivers currently in f2 is bearman and martins and the f3 rookie who is currently winning the championship Gabriel bortoleto in f3: and i think the entire grid will remain the same with no changes.
It’s in Williams interest to keep Logan as he’s the first driver of their driver academy they promoted since Dorilton Capital bought the team. We give Renault so much flack for their driver management but Logan is not he benchmark of a New Williams molded driver and with him getting fast tracked rookie season in F2 to rookie F1, you gotta give him more reasonable expectation. Look at Yuki who had the definition of fast tracked career into F1 and took him 3 years to get comfortable.
I don’t think Logan is under delivering at all, I think he is doing a great job and certainly deserves a second season
I think drugovic is also an idea for Williams next season
The rookie excuse isn’t running out
He only had 1 year in F2 he hasn’t had the experience (I know other drivers have only had 1 year) need to gone him till the end of the season
O.534s average gap? I would suggest this needs to come down to 0.3.
He’s worth giving another year, though I would expect a step up then to be deserving of anymore.
How about Williams stating that he was pushed a year ahead of schedule?
How about he's still learning?
How about not doing the same crap as all the other channels with the non American biased thoughts and ideologies
Only thing that makes sense to me if they do replace Logan is to give Palou or an indy driver a shot. Otherwise keep the American driver for an extra year.
Alex Palou would be interested possibly and would be a great signing but wont be cheap. However lets give Logan every chance to show improvement. Dont forget his other benchmark driver was De Vries.
@@Beau_Rivage Why because as a driver you want to win the ultimate prize which is the F1 world championship. Demonstrate that your the best. He is Spanish and has said that in Spain hardly anyone outside of motorsport Indycar fans know who he is. They are all Alonso or Sainz fans. Just being an F1 driver makes you famous. He is possibly the highest paid driver in Indycar as an ex champion and it is rumored he has been offered $6.5 m per year to stay in Indycar.
If you make the grade and become a solid mid order driver or especially top driverin F1 that salary is a fraction of what he could earn.
You talk about JV and JPM. You are going back over 20 years. F1 has changed dramatically since then. Cars in those days were similar to Indycar and fairly basic .Now they have moved a long way different in technology and controls. The standard across the grid is higher now and nobody starts in a top team ie which would be RB , Mercedes or Ferrari. They all have satellite teams to try drivers out. Mclaren is the one middle order team that will take on new drivers. Palou is clearly a very good driver but being a star of Indycar doesnt mean he would be a star in F1. F2 champs struggle as we have recently seen. The cars are very different to drive compared to an Indycar. I know in his FP1 session he did he acquitted himself well. Its his decision . If he was offered a drive and decided on Indycar that's fine. He wants to be a big fish in a small pond.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👏👍....
This is the first news I have gotten of Williams being considered a "Mercedes B Team". In my eyes, Williams is as close to Mercedes as McLaren was during the McLaren Mercedes MP4 era.
Its funny how Logan doesnt get much time, but Mick Schumacher does. Talk about double standards! Logan has kept it far cleaner than Mick ever has.
Haas didn't care about 21 tbf
@@RdeCGaming because he crashed his car more than a drunk driver.
@@mrw1783 Haas never cared about 21
It's tough I feel like if he doesn't pick it up by seasons end they should keep him for 2024 but have an option to drop him down to test and reserve half way through if they wish. Bring in someone else like a Mick Schumacher or who ever may get dropped this year and hang it over him a little to keep making headwinds and see if the carrot and the stick works especially if the car next year is more to his liking.
Oh Gawd not Schumacher please no! The worst performing F2 champion in history , came to F1 beat Mazepin, two years of wrecked cars , trounced by Magnussen who is being trounced by the Hulk who has not even had an F1 podium in his career. How bad can you get. He models merch for MB well. He therefore has talent just not driving.
@@bjs7442man forgot about de Vries existence already
obligatory wtf is a kilometre comment 🦅🇺🇸🔥
Vesti and Sargent competed once in F2, their 1st year and Sargent was ways ahead. Also competed 2 times in F3, in one season Logan was ahead antoehr vesti was ahead but Sargeant had a crap team. So, why vesti ? Makes 0 sense. Even i Vesti wins this F2 season, Logan already beat him twice.
I don’t get why we suddenly have huge expectations of rookies!
De Vries is a perfect example, yeah I know he’s 28, F2 champion and has lots of experience in similar categories but he wasn’t even given half a season in a Alphatauri that is seriously underperforming! All to make way for Danny Ric which as much as I love the guy I can’t see him doing any better in that AT as he did in the McLaren last year consistently finishing P11-14.
I think Sargents performances are not any less then anyone living in reality expected and comparing him to Piastri is no comparison as he’s at a better team with (now) a better car!
Hope Logan is given the time he deserves n if he’s still not performing at the end of his second season like mick Schumacher then fair enough replace him
The youth obsession and "potential" that teams have for their programs has always interested me. Like, if you *really* want the 20 best drivers in the world why not go get a veteran driver like Haas did with Hulk? I guess the thinking is is that it is short term, but so were de Vries, Latifi, Mazepin etc. For instance, could you throw an LMP2 champ in a car and see what he can do? Could you try out other drivers from other series in pre season testing? IDK what exactly I'm getting at, just that maybe grabbing the next F2 kid off the shelf every single time isn't always, 100% the answer.
Imo Nico not only was never intended to be long term, he just isn’t a good driver, but he’s consistent. He’s failed under pressure multiple times trying to BE good. The idea isn’t necessary to have the best 20 drivers, what’s more important is that the team is successful and maintaining that success. They have to think long term and gauge what young talents could aid that success for a good amount of time. De Vries was very short term, he was never going to last and imo never deserved an F1 seat at all, his performance at Monza was always going to paint him in a good light, the track favored the car. Latifi and Mazepin got seats because they could fund their teams and that financial backing was enough for them to deal with the awful driving. Using LMP2 as an example is poor taste imo, you can’t compare endurance or GT racing to Formula racing AT ALL. The way you drive the car is fundamentally different on every single level. A better comparison would be Indycar, but that’s besides the point. Logan specifically was pulled because he was the only talent with enough super license points they could pull quickly after De Vries went to Alpha Tauri and signed away his chances in F1. The past 5-6 years or so have given us a LOT of amazing talent out of F2. Notably LeClerc and Russel. Logan is an unique case to me bc he’s clearly demonstrated that he as the talent to make it in F1. We saw it in Jeddah alone, but he does has a few other strong performances. What makes his situation tricky to gauge is that he’s the only true rookie on the grid since Tsunoda and a lot of the community has forgotten what true rookies need to develop, time. Logan has publicly admitted his short comings and said his main struggle is adjusting to the sensitivity of an F1 car compared to F2. The fact that he can keep up with the pack AT ALL and not finish dead last every race is already a big step up for Williams. On top of that, even though he was promoted very early by the team’s own admission, he’s shown great progress so far. Logan specifically has shown he can SEND the car if it’s in a window he likes. If he can learn the car’s quirks can better set up the car and thus improve performance. I don’t think he’ll show improvement on the time chart in any meaningful way if he’s not given a second season. But I think the second half of another season would show that Logan is fully capable of staying in sight of Albon and maybe even beating him every now and then. He just needs the time that all true rookies need.
F1 have horrible gate-keeping policies that limit who can drive in the series. It's a narrow tunnel to an F1 seat.
This is stupid. Let the man cook.A rookie matching their overperforming, experienced teammate should be seen as the exception. Not the norm.
Some drivers need time to fit into their new role. Just as anyone in any other career field. Take Yuki Tsunoda for instance, who is among one of the best performing drivers this year according to many in the paddock.
Totally unlike Yuki's former teammate, Nyck De Vries, who was an experienced racer who did not drive to what was expected of him despite being a rookie.
Because his name isn’t Schumacher?
William will start to think having Amrican driver or having Schumacher name.
its unfair to compare albon and sargeant IMO, albon is miles ahead.
getting really tired of the logan hate feels like an angry mob just wanting drama. lets be real dude is underbaked but thats the point. he isn’t crashing like Schumacher and isn’t a complete backmarker. he has been very consistent and is clearly getting faster every weekend. and are people forgetting how good albon is? he was going to get beaten regardless albon is class. many are too quick to judge but i don’t blame you it’s a boring ssn.
So now you say you don’t need to ask the questions about replacing him, but you did it with nyck. Just more evidence british media is always against dutch drivers cause max won from lewis🤣
Give him another year and if it really doesn't work out you got Franco Colapinto in F2 ready to move up
I really think that put sargeant in the mclaren he dosent do as bad as many would think
Alex Albon is veteran. Why should we expect Logan to match Albon? I would be shocked if he matched Albon. Yuki got blasted by Gasly his rookie year and you all thought he deserved a 2nd year.
Honestly i dont understand this double standard in F1. Devries had more pace than sargeant with higher finishing positiohs yet he was kicked out after just 10 races. Why is sargent being given so many chances
Nope,not true. 😆 If you took all the finishes they had and combine that Logan has a better score than de Vries.
Love the channel but man do I disagree with some of the things you said here.
First, suggesting that Vesti isn’t as exciting or good enough to replace Logan is a bit far fetched. Also, suggesting there is no one with enough hype around them, also disagree. Vesti, Pouchaire and Bearman are some of the most anticipated and exciting young talents in junior Furmula (will not mention anyone below F2 as they dont have the license for it). Bearman literally has the entire F2 grid saying hes as good if not better than Leclerc, who was the most anticipated driver to get to F1 since Max!
Also what about the likes of Palau / Herta? The Americans would eat their merch up in a heartbeat!
Im all for giving drivers 1/2 years to prove themselves. But I’s personally say there are 5-6 other drivers with more hype and in my opinion a higher ceiling.
vesti losing to logan in f3 (2020 in prema) and f2，that's not going to happen
@@吴i志 I’d say he a more complete driver now. But if he’s not to be considered, I think the other options I mentioned could be good fits next to Alex (or whoever replaces him should he choose to go).
But fair enough that Logan beating Vesti in F3 (albeit with 2 less retirements for Logan) and F2 (that one Logan was seriously unlucky). So yes, fair assumption that they were equal in 2022!
He didn’t help himself on the weekend again.
Q3 at Zandvoort🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
smh no freedom for Logan to fully try everything out for a whole season.....
kinda illogical and useless video considering vowles has been very vocal multiple times that he enjoys having logan there and wants to foster him more
When you said that the other rookie is piastri i thought to myself, wasn't there another one?
And only later in the video you mentioned Nyck De Vries and i was like, ahhhhhh!!!?? Totally forgot about him...
Lol
In all honesty, i could not remember who the 3rd rookie was.... i guess AlphaTauri made the right move then.
If you ask me, Albon had the ultimate acid test, being repeatedly comprehensively beaten by Verstappen in 2019/20 and has been probably made stronger as a result. Sargent is in his very first year in F1. It's inevitable that he's shown a lack of experience this year, it's one of those things that comes with being a rookie. He has been chipping away as far as I can tell, relative to Albon, but he has been unlucky as well which contributes to Albon having scored all 11 of Williams' points in 2023
@Beau_Rivage what you have to remember is that he, like Pierre Gasly, was driving a car with little experience (compared to Verstappen, who was in his 4th full time season in 2019) that didn't suite their driving style. From their different perspectives, Galsy and Red Bull team members, talked about how Gasly wanted to make setup changes to make the car balance less on the nose (for the driver, it was to make him more comfortable with the balance, enable him to gain the confidence to push the car to its limits, but from the team perspective, they felt he was wasting time). What I'm saying is, there's no shame about him being no match for Verstappen. Frankly, the way Verstappen is driving from 2019, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to match him in that car, it just flows naturally. With how he was beaten comprehensively by Verstappen in their year and a half as team mates, then spending a year on the sidelines, it would have been easy for Albon to fall into a death spiral, him not racing in F1 ever again. But the fact that he rebuilt his career deserves credit where it's due.
I know it's not a perfect example, but after his miserable 2001 season (where he scored just 1 points finish and plummeted from 8th to 17th in a year) who would have predicted that 8 years later, Jenson Button would be the 2009 World Champion?
Zhou is the best choice if Alfa does not renew him. Brings money, has only broken a front wing this year, looks like a cool guy to work with, has good racecraft and it's fast enough.
Even Oscar, who is like 2 level higher in tier list wasn't so good till Monaco. Logan should get another year, because who you can get in 2024? Mick? Sorry, but his quali was awful too (that's Logan's big problem), so in a grid like this, he still can't reach for points, but he made a lot more error. I would give him another year, and at the next year's REALLY silly season, you can get someone much better. Even Bottas, Hulk if you want experience, or Yuki if you want some raw talent.
I don’t think Logan is the problem in a way, maybe the second car is just terrible and there is something wrong with it maybe…
From what we saw of Alex in RBR most wouldn't rate him above average, so Sergeant is complete crap and a waste of a half decent seat at Williams. Stroll is another waste of a half decent seat at AM.
I’d like for Sargent to get a point score and Williams to get 7th by 1 point
What about Palou's ?
Logan should easily have a 2nd season. However, Mick was fairly mediocre and did millions of dollars of damage during his tenure at a Haas... Williams CERTAINLY can't afford to have Schumacher do that in one of their cars.
Sargeant pain. Aside from his failures on track, the other issues is that he is the only underperforming rookie left now that Nyck de Vries has left. It also doesn't help that Piastri is showing how it's supposed to be done, most recently by showing a consistent pace advantage over Lando in Spa. Logan is in the spotlight in a bad way
But you can't expect all drivers to be special, piastri is one of them you and you rarely get that.
My expectations for Logan is replica Zhou's rookie season.
Zhou got much better by closing the gap with Bottas in second half of 2022. Logan should be able to. Since his F2 F3 record was better than Zhou.
American here; Logan gets a weird amount of hate lol but then you remember that his parents are billionaires and it’s like 🤷🏼♂️. Seriously though, he’s had some promising moments but even us American fans know that if he doesn’t show some serious improvement after the break then his days are numbered.
Only his uncle is a billionaire and obviously he has not supported him in his career because he had to retire from f3 because of costs and couldn't make the jump into f2 after nearly beating piastri in f3 because of high costs. That was until the Williams academy came along and rejuvenated his career and paid for him to be in f2 and then obviously f1 the next year.
I do want to see Mick back but not in the expanse of my fellow Countryman. Plus the last time an American got a second season was Eddie Cheever and he should have been considered an Italian because he was raised in Italy.