Holy shit ! I wore this record out! Simon looks exactly the same! My theory , Simon is a warlock/super human / possible super musical vampire ? My all time favorite drummer ! Thank you Stanley and Simon for inspiring me to play the drums. Much love from Detroit
Charles 'Icarus" Johnson electric guitar, played many years with the George Duke Band. I saw him on tour in 75. Best chowder I ever seen. Very fast in person. Kudos for this video. It's rare to not see Stanley in his own video.
I love this performance. Guitar player hit'n some beautiful chords man, and the drummer crazy! This shit drove me wild as a kid and made me want to be a musician. How much money do I need to buy these days back? Kick Ass!!!
I was just listening to Jeff Beck's "There and Back" on vinyl, and did a search for the drummer Simon Phillips and came upon this gem of a live performance, just incredible, all of them!!
Simon Philips Killin it live! Simon always reminded me of Billy Cobham in some ways even though Simon has his own signature style. I would love to see this whole concert in its entirety. This was a powerful band!
ddrums001 Hey Simon openly says Billy is one of his major influences ,you hear it in Simon's drumming and from the way the kit is set up. Simon took Billy's concept to an even higher level and still today aged 61 SP is better than ever !!! Awesome musician !!!
@bassdrumboy Hi. Simon Philips played on the album Rocks Pebbles And Sannd in the Eighties , which some of this material comes from. SP drum sound makes the album for me. Cheers
Thanks for posting. Watching this confirms what I've often thought about Stanley Clarke and Jaco: They are great players but on top of that they write/wrote outstanding music. I mean, listen to School Days or Jaco's self titled debut. There is so much memorable stuff, and I'm not just talking about the bass playing. Same thing with Jimi Hendrix. The playing was cutting edge and, perhaps even more importantly, delivered within the context of memorable, enjoyable songs.
the best live drummer i have ever seen from over 500 - 600 + concerts in my live and certianly one of the best bassests and they of course both played w/ JEFF BECK
+STUART “spongebobmetro” EDELMAN I've seen Simon play with Beck, but I've seen Cobham play with Mahavishnu in 1973 and his own bands from then on out. By far, the most insane concert for a drummer point of view was Cobham with Mahavishnu. I don't think I've ever seen so many sticks thrown up in the air as that concert. I never saw any of them come down, so as far as I can say, most of them are probably sticking in the ceiling at Berkeley Community Theater. Cobham was known for breaking and throwing sticks the whole night and if you blinked, you missed it. He just held his sticks very loosely so he could reach top speed. He would make Simon Phillips looks like a beginner. Sorry to disappoint you, but Cobham during the 72 to 76 time period was just insane. He did stuff that was inhuman and for us, the audience, inhumane because we have to have to watch him do things that normal humans simply can't do. :-) Most of the Simon Phillips was doing was slowed down versions what Cobham already had done.
I've seen Billy, and Simon (ARMS Concert MSG, NYC) live. Then there is Marco Minnemann who seems to have taken it all to a new level. But Marco is usually all attack, unlike say, Nick Mason (e.g. The Great Gig In The Sky) in which he is the man on the one.
jfiddude The problem with guys like Marco MInneman is they haven't been on any recording that has had the same impact and garner the same long term reputation as great music. Billy did with Mahavishnu as well as his early solo recordings like Spectrum album. I don't think Marco has been on any instrumental album that has reached Gold or higher sales status. Billy has and he set the bar for fusion drumming and as Marco might play faster chops, most of it isn't musical, he's stiff as a board and he sounds like he'd sound like crap if he was asked to play a simple blues song. Guys like Billy studied MUSIC and not so much CHOPS. Yeah, Billy studied rudiments with Drum Corps, and he practiced how to play faster, louder, than anyone else at the time, but he also was studying and playing blues/jazz, classical, early R&B, latin, african, classical indian music which was incorporated into Mahavishnu and other music he's done, many of these newer generation guys simply don't study music forms, they just learn technically complex LICKS, but they don't incorporate actual music forms as much. Have you ever seen Marco play a BeBop gig? How about a blues gig? Could he even play a blues shuffle and actually play with the right feel? Probably not. That's the problem I see with a lot of these new technical drummers, which is why guys like John McLaughlin aren't hiring them. They have to be able to play with a sense of musicality that's rooted in actual music forms rather than just blowing technical chops. Anyway, this is just my perspective having grown up during the 70's fusion era and having paid a lot of attention to what was going on during that time period and how things progressed and changed. I am not alone in the thinking that 70's fusion era was a very special time in music history, but that fusion music has gone downhill. Only a small handful of 70's fusion guys really kept the right attitude towards music. I think Mclaughlin, Zawinul are two that really understood and kept that original mentality and progressed on some level. guys like Trilok Gurtu have come out with his own sense of music style that's very technical but musical. keep in mind, sometimes, you got to just sit back and learn the feel music and forget the chops, but be able to blend the two together and play with a good feel. Tony Williams was taught both feel and technique, so he leaned to do both. Narada was also very much a feel player that learned technique. But they could feel their way through these older fusion songs where they didn't have to write their parts out or sightread, even though they probably could.
You mean the Video Director, camera ops don't control the switcher console, they just capture & deliver images. it's up to the director to cut the shots or the line cut editor in some cases.
Exceptionally good rendition of this song, amazing they pulled it off without the horns (kudos to Steve Bach on keys), Icarus Johnson' s chording was uber cool and his solo very melodic, not just speed riffs. Couldn't believe Stanley got so little screen time though, what's up with that?
the song does not feature bass parts, it's a showpiece for the guitar and drums -- Clarke was just playing the song, while the other two showed off. Check out School Days and see who gets the camera time there.
It's from a compilation DVD that someone made from a tape of the broadcasts - this is the only Stanley Clarke unfortunately. I got it on a bittorrent site where people share unofficial music ie stuff that hasnot been released
Great post! But ummm.. What happened to the Stanley solo? It's basically the highlight of this song. Based on the cameraman "work" I wouldn't be surprised if they edited it out ;)
Judging by the NSJF logo this is from 1980 - and i was there too. Still have the stumps. Charles "Icarus" Johnson in awesome shape. Them were the days:-)
That's the great lacrus Johnson on Guitar and solos. I like his guitar solo better on the actual recording from the school days album. But very nice performance. Basskat Michael G Detroit MI.
ref to Simon playing on a track originally played on by Porcaro, - not sure what you meant, but IIRC the Scooldays album notes wrongly didn't credit BIll Cobham with actually playing on that track. -Did JP record it elsewhere?
where can i get hold of the whole concert, i had some of it on vhs it was the north sea jazz festival but don't have the tape anymore, can anyone post it or help, thanks
clobbyhops.I have to agree.but its live,+stan wouldn't hire any slouches, even though I do here a little of a miner mess, its not the same as wax...but u cant win them all even that's whats expected! THIS IS NO LECTURE! KEEP FUNKIN BRO!
Cause there's tons of Stan, n precious little of fly air/sky Hawaii Charles "Icarus" Johnson!!!!!! I think Eric Gales mighta copped a couple, plus that crazy 'penguin' pick hand on fast passages...
That's because Cobham did his version in probably one take and Simon's had several years to practice Billy's version. Billy, back then smoked ALL of them live. Simon's problem is that he's a little on the rigid side due to his rock background and Billy's more relaxed due to his jazz background.
Billy has a more jazz tuning where he tunes his drums for more of a pitch rather than getting a bigger ROCK sound. Billy, back then, used standard sized toms and Simon used the deeper toms. Personally, Billy just smoked everyone in terms of dynamics, explosive playing, speed, complexity and creativity. Simon ripped off so many of Cobham's licks back then, but it was done more to cop Billy's licks, which is lick playing. It's hard for Simon to get out of that shadow.
My guess is that he might have felt the toms needed more volume and so he was hitting harder exerting himself quite a bit and was close to running out of energy even at that young age. He had to do a solo in the middle also but all that aside, I am just glad to see early footage of all these guys, especially Simon Phillips.
NO. They will never be equals in terms of how many classic fusion and jazz albums. Simon plays mostly pop/rock music, not so much fusion. His fusion work in the 70's was mostly copying Billy, but more rock. Simon is great at certain things and I like a lot of his work, but I've seen both of them in their respective prime. Billy would make Simon shit in his pants and could NOT even compete in a lot of areas. Billy has more jazz experience as a TRUE jazz player, SP is more commercial rock.
HeXx Henderson Cleo Manago This has nothing to do with white supremacy. If you watch old footage of the Who playing the song My Generation there is a bass solo not a guitar solo in the song but every time there’s footage of them playing it live they focusing on the guitar player Pete Townsend instead of the bass because they think that it’s the lead instrument which traditionally is just not in that particular song so I could see were the same thing would be happening here an uninformed cameraman and producer not some twisted modern day white supremacy theory! HeXx Henderson, white people are usually the last to acknowledge white supremacy and the first to deny it. Your perspective would make sense if The Who was named after the bass player, or if the drum solo here was also not filmed. They purposely left out the dude this whole thing is named after.
simon did get a drumming lesson while he worked with Trilok on one of his album projects. It wasn't half bad. I was actually surprised, but SP needs to get away from the rock culture and immerse himself into jazz related music otherwise he spreads himself too thin and brings the rigidity of playing shows right through and he's feel is hindered. Basically, his feel isn't there for jazz as much as it could. That's the problem when they go too much into rock playing. I see it in guitar players.
@bassdrumboy Hi. Simon Philips played on the album Rocks Pebbles And Sand in the Eighties , which some of this material comes from. SP drum sound makes the album for me. Cheers
![Simon Phillips (L. Ritenour & M. Stern) - Smoke 'n' Mirrors, [drums only camera]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SFGkvF_rK-A/mqdefault.jpg)
Holy shit ! I wore this record out! Simon looks exactly the same! My theory , Simon is a warlock/super human / possible super musical vampire ? My all time favorite drummer ! Thank you Stanley and Simon for inspiring me to play the drums. Much love from Detroit
Charles 'Icarus" Johnson electric guitar, played many years with the George Duke Band. I saw him on tour in 75. Best chowder I ever seen. Very fast in person. Kudos for this video. It's rare to not see Stanley in his own video.
I love this performance. Guitar player hit'n some beautiful chords man, and the drummer crazy! This shit drove me wild as a kid and made me want to be a musician. How much money do I need to buy these days back? Kick Ass!!!
I was just listening to Jeff Beck's "There and Back" on vinyl, and did a search for the drummer Simon Phillips and came upon this gem of a live performance, just incredible, all of them!!
Simon Philips Killin it live! Simon always reminded me of Billy Cobham in some ways even though Simon has his own signature style. I would love to see this whole concert in its entirety. This was a powerful band!
ddrums001
Hey Simon openly says Billy is one of his major influences ,you hear it in Simon's drumming and from the way the kit is set up. Simon took Billy's concept to an even higher level and still today aged 61 SP is better than ever !!! Awesome musician !!!
@bassdrumboy Hi.
Simon Philips played on the album Rocks Pebbles And Sannd in the Eighties , which some of this material comes from.
SP drum sound makes the album for me.
Cheers
All three parts of this track are fantastic. Actually a brilliant album.
Icarus Johnson's fingers are wild, effortless stretching to catch notes and that picking hand...wild.
SO funny. I would expect to see Stanley at some point too! :-)
Thanks for posting. Watching this confirms what I've often thought about Stanley Clarke and Jaco: They are great players but on top of that they write/wrote outstanding music. I mean, listen to School Days or Jaco's self titled debut. There is so much memorable stuff, and I'm not just talking about the bass playing. Same thing with Jimi Hendrix. The playing was cutting edge and, perhaps even more importantly, delivered within the context of memorable, enjoyable songs.
Stan, Jaco and Louis Johnson are my personal favorites
I love it.....Fantastic.....
Charles Johnson on guitar, he's from Hawaii. Simon Phillips on drums, he's from London. Steve Brock on key boards, he's from New York. Kick Ass!!!
Steve Bach on keyboards you mean...
Man.This just rips the album version apart! WOW!
the best live drummer i have ever seen from over 500 - 600 + concerts in my live and certianly one of the best bassests and they of course both played w/ JEFF BECK
+STUART “spongebobmetro” EDELMAN I've seen Simon play with Beck, but I've seen Cobham play with Mahavishnu in 1973 and his own bands from then on out. By far, the most insane concert for a drummer point of view was Cobham with Mahavishnu. I don't think I've ever seen so many sticks thrown up in the air as that concert. I never saw any of them come down, so as far as I can say, most of them are probably sticking in the ceiling at Berkeley Community Theater. Cobham was known for breaking and throwing sticks the whole night and if you blinked, you missed it. He just held his sticks very loosely so he could reach top speed. He would make Simon Phillips looks like a beginner. Sorry to disappoint you, but Cobham during the 72 to 76 time period was just insane. He did stuff that was inhuman and for us, the audience, inhumane because we have to have to watch him do things that normal humans simply can't do. :-) Most of the Simon Phillips was doing was slowed down versions what Cobham already had done.
I've seen Billy, and Simon (ARMS Concert MSG, NYC) live. Then there is Marco Minnemann who seems to have taken it all to a new level. But Marco is usually all attack, unlike say, Nick Mason (e.g. The Great Gig In The Sky) in which he is the man on the one.
jfiddude The problem with guys like Marco MInneman is they haven't been on any recording that has had the same impact and garner the same long term reputation as great music. Billy did with Mahavishnu as well as his early solo recordings like Spectrum album. I don't think Marco has been on any instrumental album that has reached Gold or higher sales status. Billy has and he set the bar for fusion drumming and as Marco might play faster chops, most of it isn't musical, he's stiff as a board and he sounds like he'd sound like crap if he was asked to play a simple blues song.
Guys like Billy studied MUSIC and not so much CHOPS. Yeah, Billy studied rudiments with Drum Corps, and he practiced how to play faster, louder, than anyone else at the time, but he also was studying and playing blues/jazz, classical, early R&B, latin, african, classical indian music which was incorporated into Mahavishnu and other music he's done, many of these newer generation guys simply don't study music forms, they just learn technically complex LICKS, but they don't incorporate actual music forms as much. Have you ever seen Marco play a BeBop gig? How about a blues gig? Could he even play a blues shuffle and actually play with the right feel? Probably not. That's the problem I see with a lot of these new technical drummers, which is why guys like John McLaughlin aren't hiring them. They have to be able to play with a sense of musicality that's rooted in actual music forms rather than just blowing technical chops.
Anyway, this is just my perspective having grown up during the 70's fusion era and having paid a lot of attention to what was going on during that time period and how things progressed and changed. I am not alone in the thinking that 70's fusion era was a very special time in music history, but that fusion music has gone downhill. Only a small handful of 70's fusion guys really kept the right attitude towards music. I think Mclaughlin, Zawinul are two that really understood and kept that original mentality and progressed on some level. guys like Trilok Gurtu have come out with his own sense of music style that's very technical but musical. keep in mind, sometimes, you got to just sit back and learn the feel music and forget the chops, but be able to blend the two together and play with a good feel. Tony Williams was taught both feel and technique, so he leaned to do both. Narada was also very much a feel player that learned technique. But they could feel their way through these older fusion songs where they didn't have to write their parts out or sightread, even though they probably could.
Amazing!
Pure fusion!
Love this song, but where the heck is Stanley.
Yeah where is Stanley
I thought I'd seen it all until I watched this and stanley only gets one minute camera time
just found this and its great but the focus was on the guitar and where was Stanley? the cameraman blew it.
I think the producer thought the guitarist was Stanley Clark.
You mean the Video Director, camera ops don't control the switcher console, they just capture & deliver images. it's up to the director to cut the shots or the line cut editor in some cases.
Exceptionally good rendition of this song, amazing they pulled it off without the horns (kudos to Steve Bach on keys), Icarus Johnson' s chording was uber cool and his solo very melodic, not just speed riffs. Couldn't believe Stanley got so little screen time though, what's up with that?
This must be a Fox News camera team hardly a second of footage of the man who's band it is Stanley Clarke!! Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think they wanted to hide stanley. racism
the song does not feature bass parts, it's a showpiece for the guitar and drums -- Clarke was just playing the song, while the other two showed off. Check out School Days and see who gets the camera time there.
Remember I've saw "Icarus" with Al Jarreau, think, it was "High Crime Tour"....maaan, how time flies!!!!!!!!!!
este youtube foi a melhor coisa que apareceu, nunca vi tanta musica boa em toda minha vida
Never knew their was a live performance of this particular track. Cool.
Solisti eccellenti, capaci di fondersi in gruppo omogeneo, con una visione musicale organica ed estremamente coinvolgente. Da sballo !
It's from a compilation DVD that someone made from a tape of the broadcasts - this is the only Stanley Clarke unfortunately. I got it on a bittorrent site where people share unofficial music ie stuff that hasnot been released
Now I get how they came up with Rocks Pebbles and Sand album in 1980, especially the last cut: A Story of a Man and a Woman.
Great post! But ummm.. What happened to the Stanley solo? It's basically the highlight of this song. Based on the cameraman "work" I wouldn't be surprised if they edited it out ;)
simon with a gong? sm58 for recording toms?
with 8 octobans? and with such an easy drummsolo... definitly unique
Apparently the camera man fall in love with the guitar man
It was his wife
Zoinks
You mean the Video Director or Line Cut Editor. Camera ops have no control over what camera shot is sent to the control desk.
July 1980 - PWA Zaal at The North Sea Jazz Festival, Congresgebow, Den Haag
Judging by the NSJF logo this is from 1980 - and i was there too. Still have the stumps. Charles "Icarus" Johnson in awesome shape. Them were the days:-)
how in the hell u have a song by stanley not even show him
They cut Stanley out of the frames completely
Unreal 🤦🏾♂️
They must have thought Stanley Clarke was on guitar
muito legal, o câmara que pecou, nem tudo é perfeito
That's the great lacrus Johnson on Guitar and solos. I like his guitar solo better on the actual recording from the school days album. But very nice performance. Basskat Michael G Detroit MI.
I saw this concert in Holland North Sea Jazz Scheveningen
What's garbage are ignorant comments that detract respect and focus from the BRILLIANT performance!
yep-- SP was and is a huge Billy fan. That's a pretty good description. RIght now though, I'd say they are equals.
I was going to say WTF is the guitarist I WANNA SEE STANLEY PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where the hell is Stanley
The cameraman snubs Stanley big time and it's his fucking song!
It's not the cameraman who is responsible but the director of the show.
@@nielswil I swear I was about to write the same comment but I see you were here 1st!😅
did the camera man not realize that it was stanleys band
WOW.. Awesome playing..!! Did these cats play at the Mabuhey Gardens in SF around 1980/81?
ref to Simon playing on a track originally played on by Porcaro, - not sure what you meant, but IIRC the Scooldays album notes wrongly didn't credit BIll Cobham with actually playing on that track. -Did JP record it elsewhere?
where can i get hold of the whole concert, i had some of it on vhs it was the north sea jazz festival but don't have the tape anymore, can anyone post it or help, thanks
Who is the guy playing lead guitar??
Icarus Jones ...saw RTF in KC, they need to add this to the set!
whats this? Stanley was in maybe one minute of this 8 minute live recording.
5:30, but shame part of the SP solo is cut out.
What !? Are they playing along to a recording of Stanley ???????
Is that Jan Hammer on keys?
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Full version here
Camera guy won't show the bass player lol
not his call, the video director tells them what he wants & makes the cut.
I read that Charles Icarus Johnson quit music and went into a non musical career. If true, that's mad. He is one of the best on that instrument.
Uhh......where’s Stanley Clarke at?
Sounds better than Cobham? Least not push things that far, lol. But, yes the sound is very strong.
@henchwang word, I'm thinking the exact same thing. wtf?
Similar but different styles. Personally I find SP to be more interesting musically and find BC to be the technically stronger player.
considering cobham as from mahavishnu i could not think to be replaced by simon phillips, if not in new albums as it was for narada michael walden
This album was monumental. Si sounds even better than Cobham here
i didnt know the guy from workaholics played guitar
gabe quinn IQ
clobbyhops.I have to agree.but its live,+stan wouldn't hire any slouches, even though I do here a little of a miner mess, its not the same as wax...but u cant win them all even that's whats expected! THIS IS NO LECTURE! KEEP FUNKIN BRO!
wickkkkkkkked!
Why is the freakin' bass guitar so loud? What does he think he is... ;-)
at his teens its more obvious the billy cobham influence
if stanley video why am i seeing the lead guitar player so much
Cause there's tons of Stan, n precious little of fly air/sky Hawaii Charles "Icarus" Johnson!!!!!! I think Eric Gales mighta copped a couple, plus that crazy 'penguin' pick hand on fast passages...
That's because Cobham did his version in probably one take and Simon's had several years to practice Billy's version. Billy, back then smoked ALL of them live. Simon's problem is that he's a little on the rigid side due to his rock background and Billy's more relaxed due to his jazz background.
back when Ted Nugent played jazz, before Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
Billy has a more jazz tuning where he tunes his drums for more of a pitch rather than getting a bigger ROCK sound. Billy, back then, used standard sized toms and Simon used the deeper toms. Personally, Billy just smoked everyone in terms of dynamics, explosive playing, speed, complexity and creativity. Simon ripped off so many of Cobham's licks back then, but it was done more to cop Billy's licks, which is lick playing. It's hard for Simon to get out of that shadow.
I think he has since achieved his own sound.
SP got sloppy at the end.
My guess is that he might have felt the toms needed more volume and so he was hitting harder exerting himself quite a bit and was close to running out of energy even at that young age. He had to do a solo in the middle also but all that aside, I am just glad to see early footage of all these guys, especially Simon Phillips.
NO. They will never be equals in terms of how many classic fusion and jazz albums. Simon plays mostly pop/rock music, not so much fusion. His fusion work in the 70's was mostly copying Billy, but more rock. Simon is great at certain things and I like a lot of his work, but I've seen both of them in their respective prime. Billy would make Simon shit in his pants and could NOT even compete in a lot of areas. Billy has more jazz experience as a TRUE jazz player, SP is more commercial rock.
HeXx Henderson
Cleo Manago This has nothing to do with white supremacy. If you watch old footage of the Who playing the song My Generation there is a bass solo not a guitar solo in the song but every time there’s footage of them playing it live they focusing on the guitar player Pete Townsend instead of the bass because they think that it’s the lead instrument which traditionally is just not in that particular song so I could see were the same thing would be happening here an uninformed cameraman and producer not some twisted modern day white supremacy theory!
HeXx Henderson, white people are usually the last to acknowledge white supremacy and the first to deny it. Your perspective would make sense if The Who was named after the bass player, or if the drum solo here was also not filmed. They purposely left out the dude this whole thing is named after.
simon did get a drumming lesson while he worked with Trilok on one of his album projects. It wasn't half bad. I was actually surprised, but SP needs to get away from the rock culture and immerse himself into jazz related music otherwise he spreads himself too thin and brings the rigidity of playing shows right through and he's feel is hindered. Basically, his feel isn't there for jazz as much as it could. That's the problem when they go too much into rock playing. I see it in guitar players.
Racist camera team, darn
Over there. Simon hid m...turn this up. In the real world. This was it. I call it Ukraine Jane.....c'mon Man
boring as usual
@bassdrumboy Hi.
Simon Philips played on the album Rocks Pebbles And Sand in the Eighties , which some of this material comes from.
SP drum sound makes the album for me.
Cheers
Who is the guitarist ?
+MegaGerdan Charles Icarus Johnson. This is the basic 4 piece band on the album Rocks, Pebbles and Sand album.