I though i would never be able to play double stops, and after this video it just proves my point further. I don't even have more than 1 string on my violin
I would have loved to see more talk about the bow's involvement in double-stops. Most everyone thinks about what their fingers are doing and don't realize just how much of a factor the bow is when it comes to playing 2 or 3 notes at once. More videos about bowing and tone will be excellent!🙃 Great video, in any case, if I do say so myself. 😜
Either fortunately or unfortunately, I can only make videos using what has been recorded and uploaded to the tonebase course library, so if there were violinists that talked about the bow's involvement (besides Han-Gorski talking about "playing like a boxer," lol) then I either missed it or it wasn't there. There are many, many hours of content on tonebase, after all. I've got some ideas for new videos coming up, and I would very much like to do one on tone. We'll see what I can find in the library!
This video is not meant for beginners, although a beginner can still enjoy the pyrotechnics displayed by these wonderful concert violinists. You might be able to grasp what each violinist is saying if (perhaps) you've been playing for a couple of years. I could easily play chords after one year but I didn't attempt any scales in double stops until after three years.
I like how some of the concert violinists do use the octave technique of putting the other fingers underneath the 4th finger but some don't. I also looked up Ray Chen's mendelssohn, in the 1st page octaves he doesn't do it either!
The great thing about these types of videos (and the whole collection at tonebase violin from which they were taken!) is to get a broad perspective on the different ways these violinists approach various techniques. While there are certain things or ways of doing that are generally accepted, not everything works exactly the same way for everyone, so a "sampling" as it were is incredibly useful. Of course, I'd still recommend listening to what you teacher tells you, haha
My guess is a trade of between continuous shifts consistently vs expressiveness. I personally found just 1st and 4th allows a deeper press of string for the only 2 fingers and a more powerful vibration. But then it is not quite sustainable (for me) to keep doing this with multiple octaves. For such long passages I would use other fingers to support and keep in good shape to be in tune, giving up some power
Amazing techniques... to capture these intervals and chords of three notes synchronously on strings positioned on the round bridge, therefore which theoretically can't be reached synchronously!
The trick to playing three strings at once is to play closer to the fingerboard. There is more flexion to the strings so with the correct application of pressure you will hit all three strings at once. This cannot, however, be sustained so you typically see "triple-stops" as short, dramatic notes, like in the Bruch Violin concerto: ua-cam.com/video/9BeV9XDs64w/v-deo.html
I thought about putting the fingerings Han-Gorski uses for thirds scales in the video, but it kind of crowded everything. I don't think I'll use this fingering myself, but it is fascinating
3:26 Jesus！No one taught me how to practice 3rd，so I have been practicing with the 4th just like that, I figured that tricks out by myself, which makes me doubt if I am allowed to develop my 3rd in this way slowly, until I watched this video 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲now I am confident with it!!🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
It's a pretty common tuning device, but the most common things are always worth sharing. Firstly, they wouldn't be common if they weren't useful, and secondly, someone is still going to be hearing about it for the first time!
you're going to need the 4th finger to work as well as the rest. for me the flesch silent exercises and similar did wonders for strength and flexibility. it has you holding down three fingers down while rasing and lowering one of them. put all your fingers down a whole step apart and try to get the extra half step with your 4th
08:27 My tip-most finger joints cannot collapse that. Good for the piano! I'm not sure about whether it's good or not for the violin 🤔. It means I can't do the sort of vibrato that relies on it.
Virtuoso musicians (many, not all) tend to be terrible teachers. They seem to be more focused on playing and showing off. I hated masterclasses in uni for that reason. We didn't learn a thing. We just listened to flashy demonstrations of technical issues and word salad from the artists. I got more from actual teachers.
Hello i have a question i just got my violin and i just want to ask on where do u put the finger tape for the first, second, third and fourth finger for the violin i am a beginner and i dont where to put it
The notes that the tape should cover on the A string is: B, for first finger, C# for second finger, D for the third finger, and E for the fourth finger. If you run the tape straight across the finger board, it’ll be correct placement for the other strings aswell. Just make sure all your strings are in tune first.
I used a tuner and marked the spot with a little graphite. Double or triple check because I’ve had to move my tapes a couple times until I got it right. I bought a roll of car pin-striping tape so I can afford to redo lol.
GOOD GOD!! 😂 I'm SO GLAD I never learned classical! Holy crap this is bullshit!! 😂 If I had learned this, I'd NEVER be a musician! 😢...This is GARBAGE. So happy that I learned Celtic and then bluegrass, Quebecquois and New England! What CRAP! 😂😂😂
As a fellow fiddle player, double stops are super handy in fiddle music too, if you can play them 🎻 ‘Tis a bit shallow to say this stuff is “garbage” instead of appreciating that it’s a different style and an approach that requires a much bigger technical focus. It takes an incredible amount of work to develop these skills and it won’t be worth it for everyone. By saying this is “crap”, how is that any better than all the classical violinists who think Irish music is just about playing fast or that say a tune is boring because they’re just reading the dots on the page? Lack of understanding and/or ability does not equal crap/bullshit/garbage
DOUBLE STOPS LETS GO!!
Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lez gooooo❤
nooooo
Sooo freakin hard but lets gooo!
Which should come first, learning all the notes on the fingerboard or double stops?
I though i would never be able to play double stops, and after this video it just proves my point further. I don't even have more than 1 string on my violin
🙂
It seems like something that becomes obtainable as you keep going on the basics
I would have loved to see more talk about the bow's involvement in double-stops. Most everyone thinks about what their fingers are doing and don't realize just how much of a factor the bow is when it comes to playing 2 or 3 notes at once. More videos about bowing and tone will be excellent!🙃
Great video, in any case, if I do say so myself. 😜
Either fortunately or unfortunately, I can only make videos using what has been recorded and uploaded to the tonebase course library, so if there were violinists that talked about the bow's involvement (besides Han-Gorski talking about "playing like a boxer," lol) then I either missed it or it wasn't there. There are many, many hours of content on tonebase, after all.
I've got some ideas for new videos coming up, and I would very much like to do one on tone. We'll see what I can find in the library!
@@tonebaseviolin did bro just have a conversation with himself
This video is not meant for beginners, although a beginner can still enjoy the pyrotechnics displayed by these wonderful concert violinists. You might be able to grasp what each violinist is saying if (perhaps) you've been playing for a couple of years. I could easily play chords after one year but I didn't attempt any scales in double stops until after three years.
Amazing! Thank you so much for sharing this!
I like how some of the concert violinists do use the octave technique of putting the other fingers underneath the 4th finger but some don't. I also looked up Ray Chen's mendelssohn, in the 1st page octaves he doesn't do it either!
The great thing about these types of videos (and the whole collection at tonebase violin from which they were taken!) is to get a broad perspective on the different ways these violinists approach various techniques. While there are certain things or ways of doing that are generally accepted, not everything works exactly the same way for everyone, so a "sampling" as it were is incredibly useful. Of course, I'd still recommend listening to what you teacher tells you, haha
My guess is a trade of between continuous shifts consistently vs expressiveness. I personally found just 1st and 4th allows a deeper press of string for the only 2 fingers and a more powerful vibration. But then it is not quite sustainable (for me) to keep doing this with multiple octaves. For such long passages I would use other fingers to support and keep in good shape to be in tune, giving up some power
Amazing techniques... to capture these intervals and chords of three notes synchronously on strings positioned on the round bridge, therefore which theoretically can't be reached synchronously!
The trick to playing three strings at once is to play closer to the fingerboard. There is more flexion to the strings so with the correct application of pressure you will hit all three strings at once. This cannot, however, be sustained so you typically see "triple-stops" as short, dramatic notes, like in the Bruch Violin concerto: ua-cam.com/video/9BeV9XDs64w/v-deo.html
I take from this finger patterns. I think advanced lesson but finger patterns are great to learn. Thanks
I thought about putting the fingerings Han-Gorski uses for thirds scales in the video, but it kind of crowded everything. I don't think I'll use this fingering myself, but it is fascinating
3:26 Jesus！No one taught me how to practice 3rd，so I have been practicing with the 4th just like that, I figured that tricks out by myself, which makes me doubt if I am allowed to develop my 3rd in this way slowly, until I watched this video 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲now I am confident with it!!🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
It's a pretty common tuning device, but the most common things are always worth sharing. Firstly, they wouldn't be common if they weren't useful, and secondly, someone is still going to be hearing about it for the first time!
Great content. Bravi!
you're going to need the 4th finger to work as well as the rest. for me the flesch silent exercises and similar did wonders for strength and flexibility. it has you holding down three fingers down while rasing and lowering one of them. put all your fingers down a whole step apart and try to get the extra half step with your 4th
Very impressive
Nice!!
08:27 My tip-most finger joints cannot collapse that. Good for the piano! I'm not sure about whether it's good or not for the violin 🤔. It means I can't do the sort of vibrato that relies on it.
Ok let's gooo
07:45
Another technique to to totally depress me and show me i have a long road to haul 😂
Welp back to practicing I go
It never ends
Virtuoso musicians (many, not all) tend to be terrible teachers. They seem to be more focused on playing and showing off. I hated masterclasses in uni for that reason. We didn't learn a thing. We just listened to flashy demonstrations of technical issues and word salad from the artists. I got more from actual teachers.
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Hello i have a question i just got my violin and i just want to ask on where do u put the finger tape for the first, second, third and fourth finger for the violin i am a beginner and i dont where to put it
Get a tuner and mark where it shows in tune
34 mm, 47mm
The notes that the tape should cover on the A string is: B, for first finger, C# for second finger, D for the third finger, and E for the fourth finger. If you run the tape straight across the finger board, it’ll be correct placement for the other strings aswell. Just make sure all your strings are in tune first.
I used a tuner and marked the spot with a little graphite. Double or triple check because I’ve had to move my tapes a couple times until I got it right. I bought a roll of car pin-striping tape so I can afford to redo lol.
At least take a couple lessons for the teacher to do that and teach you how to hold the violin and stand
If this video is indicative of the "lessons" tonebase provides it must be terrible
GOOD GOD!! 😂 I'm SO GLAD I never learned classical! Holy crap this is bullshit!! 😂 If I had learned this, I'd NEVER be a musician! 😢...This is GARBAGE. So happy that I learned Celtic and then bluegrass, Quebecquois and New England! What CRAP! 😂😂😂
As a fellow fiddle player, double stops are super handy in fiddle music too, if you can play them 🎻 ‘Tis a bit shallow to say this stuff is “garbage” instead of appreciating that it’s a different style and an approach that requires a much bigger technical focus. It takes an incredible amount of work to develop these skills and it won’t be worth it for everyone.
By saying this is “crap”, how is that any better than all the classical violinists who think Irish music is just about playing fast or that say a tune is boring because they’re just reading the dots on the page? Lack of understanding and/or ability does not equal crap/bullshit/garbage