I'd say if you have enough ammo and train well with it, anything you have can be used to great effect. Carcanos are nice and cheap however the ammo is expensive, good excuse to get into reloading. Personally my top 3 milsurps bolt actions for SHTF are the L2A Lee enfield, k98, and M1903, mainly for ammunition availability.
Best review I've seen on these! I just picked up a Carcano, the PO modified it with new sites and removed the baynet / sling. The stock was striped to raw wood and I'd like to restore the gun and see if I can date it. Any sources or groups that you know of that can help with dating and parts?
You hit the nail on the head, the Mannlicher en bloc clip design kind of sucks. The Mauser magazine would have been a great improvement. I think that’s why the action is better on the Japanese version. I only bought a Carcano Cavalry model for nostalgia sake, because my Dad had one as a tanker in the Italian Army in WW2.
Thats really near! I will say the M95 mannlichers enblocs work really well. Something about the carcanos clips just doesn’t seem to work well. What kind of tank was he using?
I absolutely LOVE making videos like this haha I am actually working on a series where I choose very random and unique firearms to review for an shtf situation
Glad you addressed the bore diameter issue. These have a reputation for poor accuracy, likely due to use of .264 vs. 266 diameter bullets, even by major ammo sellers! That said, I have not found 160 grain .266 bullets, only PPU 125 grain. Anybody have a source?
What would be the advantages of using the carcono over a modern hunting rifle in a common caliber? Other than cool factor and that they gain value over time?
They would be WAY more durable than a modern hunting rifle, and if you have properly functioning enbloc clips it should be quicker to reload. But generally the carcano is near the bottom of my list for surplus rifles for practical use.
@@WastelandArmorer this would be a nice concept for future video going over the advantages and disadvantages of each A lot of modern hunting rifles have detachable magazines (although a lot of times are harder to find and a lot of people only have one mag) I wonder how fast it would be compared to a mblock clip and other rifles with stripper clips?
@thesupremeedgelord3538 id like to try it. I don’t have a modern bolt action but i should see if i can borrow my buddy’s ruger American. The money for ammo is what holds the channel back the most from doing high round count tests. Lol
How about finding a small weapon company to produce and remodel these rifles into a modern caliber weapon. I suspect a new barrel assembly in .223/5.56 might be a good choice if this could include a conversion magazine system to NATO stripper clips or M16 magazines. Just an idea. I would buy one.
The problem with the Carcano & Mosin-Nagant was that they were made obsolete by the Mauser. They never should have seen front line use in the 20th Century. After WWII, surplus ads were flush with Mausers, Enfields & Springfields for 25% of the cost of a new Winchester or Remington. The Carcano's were dirt cheap. They couldn't give them away.
Mausers definitely were the better rifles. I think the carcanos were easier to make and Italy was a poor country so they just stuck with it. I will say the type I can hold its own pretty easily. I am a bit of a heretic for holding this opinion, but i actually think the Arisaka family as well as the Swiss straight pull family outclass the mausers (although the the arisakas essentially are improved mausers).
That type I is very nice! Its interesting how militaries of yesteryear found 6.5s to meet thier needs now they are making a comeback in hunting and longrange shooting
@@WastelandArmorer I agree first ever 6.5 I fired was 6.5x50 Japanese and I was impressed. Was a tack driver and had almost no recoil but could still ring steel with authority
@@armedreptile7889 its a good round. Id rank it a tad below (but the guns firing it a tad above) the 6.5 Swedish. And its a bit better than the 6.5 carcano.
I have a carcano 91ts would a gun smith be able to take type 99 sights and put them on a carcano just to see how good or bad the gun would be with good sights
While they are really nice rifles imo, not a good choice for a SHTF situation. Ammo availability is the downside unless you reload/cast for them. I have a 1938 Brescian and found a load development that works great for it. The .264" bullets worked great after checking the bore diameter and used the 120 grain OTMs for it since my Kimber chambered in the 6.5 creedmoor didn't like them as much as the 140 grain plus bullets accuracy wise. While my calvary carbine is no precision rifle nor ever meant to be one, but 6-7" groups at 100 yards is exceptional imo.
I'd say if you have enough ammo and train well with it, anything you have can be used to great effect. Carcanos are nice and cheap however the ammo is expensive, good excuse to get into reloading. Personally my top 3 milsurps bolt actions for SHTF are the L2A Lee enfield, k98, and M1903, mainly for ammunition availability.
Best review I've seen on these! I just picked up a Carcano, the PO modified it with new sites and removed the baynet / sling. The stock was striped to raw wood and I'd like to restore the gun and see if I can date it. Any sources or groups that you know of that can help with dating and parts?
Numrich for getting parts. Tons of good youtube videos for info. Start with C&Rsenel.
Thank you!@@WastelandArmorer
You hit the nail on the head, the Mannlicher en bloc clip design kind of sucks. The Mauser magazine would have been a great improvement. I think that’s why the action is better on the Japanese version.
I only bought a Carcano Cavalry model for nostalgia sake, because my Dad had one as a tanker in the Italian Army in WW2.
Thats really near! I will say the M95 mannlichers enblocs work really well. Something about the carcanos clips just doesn’t seem to work well.
What kind of tank was he using?
I absolutely LOVE making videos like this haha I am actually working on a series where I choose very random and unique firearms to review for an shtf situation
Im not sure why people like these on my channel as im not the best commentator. But they seem to do well as videos.
Glad you addressed the bore diameter issue. These have a reputation for poor accuracy, likely due to use of .264 vs. 266 diameter bullets, even by major ammo sellers! That said, I have not found 160 grain .266 bullets, only PPU 125 grain. Anybody have a source?
My rifling is good on my carbine but factory ammos bullets will completly be swallowed by the bore. Barely any rifling engagement.
What would be the advantages of using the carcono over a modern hunting rifle in a common caliber?
Other than cool factor and that they gain value over time?
They would be WAY more durable than a modern hunting rifle, and if you have properly functioning enbloc clips it should be quicker to reload. But generally the carcano is near the bottom of my list for surplus rifles for practical use.
@@WastelandArmorer this would be a nice concept for future video going over the advantages and disadvantages of each
A lot of modern hunting rifles have detachable magazines (although a lot of times are harder to find and a lot of people only have one mag)
I wonder how fast it would be compared to a mblock clip and other rifles with stripper clips?
@thesupremeedgelord3538 id like to try it. I don’t have a modern bolt action but i should see if i can borrow my buddy’s ruger American. The money for ammo is what holds the channel back the most from doing high round count tests. Lol
How about finding a small weapon company to produce and remodel these rifles into a modern caliber weapon. I suspect a new barrel assembly in .223/5.56 might be a good choice if this could include a conversion magazine system to NATO stripper clips or M16 magazines. Just an idea. I would buy one.
Ive heard 7.62x39 is possible, but its also very expensive to rebarrel them.
the price is low for collectors! I got one from back in the day for 60 bucks and I know the price will jump like all the other did.
I dont doubt it will. Just like the mosins did.
the difference with the mosins at the time, there are millions of them and the government banned them.
Is this the Moschetto M91 calvary carbine?
Yes.
Good stuff .
Thanks!
The problem with the Carcano & Mosin-Nagant was that they were made obsolete by the Mauser. They never should have seen front line use in the 20th Century.
After WWII, surplus ads were flush with Mausers, Enfields & Springfields for 25% of the cost of a new Winchester or Remington. The Carcano's were dirt cheap. They couldn't give them away.
Mausers definitely were the better rifles. I think the carcanos were easier to make and Italy was a poor country so they just stuck with it. I will say the type I can hold its own pretty easily.
I am a bit of a heretic for holding this opinion, but i actually think the Arisaka family as well as the Swiss straight pull family outclass the mausers (although the the arisakas essentially are improved mausers).
That type I is very nice! Its interesting how militaries of yesteryear found 6.5s to meet thier needs now they are making a comeback in hunting and longrange shooting
Absolutely! Such a nice sweet spot between full power and intermediate cartridges.
@@WastelandArmorer I agree first ever 6.5 I fired was 6.5x50 Japanese and I was impressed. Was a tack driver and had almost no recoil but could still ring steel with authority
@@armedreptile7889 its a good round. Id rank it a tad below (but the guns firing it a tad above) the 6.5 Swedish. And its a bit better than the 6.5 carcano.
i have a better title for you. "How my 150 dollar garbage rod is actually super duper tactical"
Sounds like a good title for your first firearms content video for your channel.🙂
@@WastelandArmorer a PTR 91 is not a garbage rod.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34 definitely not. Just the G3 we have at home that wishes it could be an M1A.
@@WastelandArmorer the M1a was born an M1 garand and sodomized by a 20 round detachable box magazine at a young age.
@@TiocfaidhArLa34 creating an unholy perfection.
What is the bore diameter of your type I Carcano in 6.5 Japanese? If it’s the standard .264 at least it’d be easier to reload
I have not measured it but it has got to be .264. It shoots well with .264s and was made to the japanese specs, which called for .264
I have a carcano 91ts would a gun smith be able to take type 99 sights and put them on a carcano just to see how good or bad the gun would be with good sights
While they are really nice rifles imo, not a good choice for a SHTF situation. Ammo availability is the downside unless you reload/cast for them. I have a 1938 Brescian and found a load development that works great for it. The .264" bullets worked great after checking the bore diameter and used the 120 grain OTMs for it since my Kimber chambered in the 6.5 creedmoor didn't like them as much as the 140 grain plus bullets accuracy wise. While my calvary carbine is no precision rifle nor ever meant to be one, but 6-7" groups at 100 yards is exceptional imo.
The ammo is definitely the downside. Thats neat you are able to get .264 bullets to do decent.