@@Jmoney_82 Yugo uses M for there military arms designations just like the M24 Yugo or Yugo M48 Mauser being a Pistol that's likely made it 1957 Era for M57
Ah yes, the Tokarev. One of the very few guns that we Canadians can get the proper, original manufacturer version of, while our southern neighbours cannot easily, if at all, get. Just bought my Soviet-manufactured TT33 yesterday.
@@gunfzx I live remotely so it's still in shipping unfortunately. "Post-war production un-issued" is the description, so likely to be from the 50s or perhaps 60s. If it's from late 40s I'll be quite pleasantly surprised. Then I just finalize my 1944 Ithaca 1911A1 purchase and I have my two cold-war classics 👌
@@happytrigger3946 - good selection. Looking for a military 1911 myself. I have several Cold War classics that shoot the 9x18 makarov. Later, but more my time since I was born in 70
@@gunfzx unfortunately the mak is prohibited in Canada due to barrel length on the standard models. That's the main appeal of the Soviet TT33 and contracted Ithaca 1911A1, totally original military configuration which meet Canadian criteria. I'm too young to remember the cold war, but nonetheless I have a deep appreciation for the history of wars and the mechanical developments made during those troubled times. If only guns could talk... But I'll settle for holding history in my hands 🙂
You seem like a kind of guy that appreciates a Glock. I can respect that. I must have had the misfortune of handling some pretty crappy Glocks unfortunately the triggers and feel of them, to me anyways, was akin to a hi point. I would rather the 1911 honestly. Although it would be nice to get a double stack 1911. With the prices of guns and ammo these days I am just waiting for everything to level out. That's for the video though.
I have two friends who had quite unreliable Glocks. One a G27 and the other a G42. The triggers are not great and a 1911 and many others have much better triggers. Totally agree. Super popular and mostly reliable guns though. Thanks for the comment.
The Tokarev is roughly equivalent to a Commander-length 1911. You can put one over the other and they're pretty identical in length if not width. If you can get one with a scissor trigger safety, there's no external alteration to the frame and you can put an unaltered trigger in its place. I'm happy enough with the thumb safety on my Romanian, though.
It does seem a bit shorter than the 5” 1911. You’re OK with that safety? I really can’t stand it. I think the Tokarev is a bit thinner than the 1911 but not in the grip. Those Tokarev grips are really thick.
What's interesting is that even with all the safeties on the 1911 engaged the originals could still go off from the weight of the firing pin - rare, but not unheard of.
Yeah, apparently the series 70 with a steel firing pin and lighter spring could discharge if dropped. It would remain cocked and locked but that firing pin inertia was large enough to fire it. So they added the firing pin safety for the series 80. Or a Ti pin or a heavier firing pin spring.
The .45 ACP round was developed in 1904 and is a straight wall cartridge whose development was unconnected to the various .30 pistol bottleneck rounds. The Soviet Union didn’t exist until 1917 and the Tokarev round was developed in 1930.
The current production Serbian M57A from Zastava has important advantages over a full-size Government M1911A1. It is thinner and lighter; 30 oz versus 40 oz. Easier to carry. The round is more powerful than at least standard pressure .45 ACP. There are also disadvantages. Ammo availability is terrible by comparison, at least here in the US. Only ONE choice for hollow point carry ammo from a major manufacturer (PPU); it’s s good round but it’s the only one you can get here anymore WHEN you can find it. In fact, all 7.62x25mm is imported into the US; no major American manufacturers produce it at all. Not much in the way of aftermarket accessories. Can’t get night sights. You can get different grips for it and an add-on muzzle brake, but that’s it. I recommend painting the front blade fluorescent green and the rear notch fluorescent red; under good lighting that helps a lot to pick up the sights. Overall, the M57A is a nifty gun but for a specialized taste. It’s a worthy defensive arm if you can live with its “old school” limitations.
Good summary. The grip angle is quite different from other pistols if you’re switching often but it’s quite thin except for the grip. I’d like a grippy grip that thinned up the pistol since that would make it more concealable.
I just picked up a 1941 Russian TT33 with no import marks or external Safety Added. Is there a way I can send you photos - can you share any knowledge you have. The Serial Number is Two Cyrillic letters followed by four numbers. Older larger serrations on side. Grip panels have the Star with CCCP on both sides. Top of the slide has the serial number again, also what looks like a small STAR and then the year 1941. Thank you.
Gun Fzx sending in about 10 min. I was stunned when I saw it (stunned; from all of the UA-cam videos I have seen people post and what Import marks are on theirs and the several different Safeties that can be added to them.). Thank you
No safety switch because one general ( Budennyi ) told Tokarev, that he wants to take a pistol and start shooting right away, without switches that take too much time.
Interesting. From an empty chamber? That half cock “safety” would be actuated on a full chamber and you’d still have to manually cock it. Any references I can take a look at?
did u ever know...the soviet used the 1911. the Zar regime buyed them from the USA like the schoefield no3 the Winchester m1895 and also the first mosin nagant where made at the Remington factory. it came along with Winchester, Remington and more
I finally found one after wanting for a good long time. A Romanian 1952 in 7.62x25, but mine does have a thumb safety, would that have been a modification later for import purposes or something or is that original? Not that it really matters a whole lot I guess, they're not high value guns to my knowledge, and I bought it to shoot not to baby, but I kinda want to have it refinished (possibly just reblued, but I'm thinking black nitride) and I'd feel better doing that if it's already modified.
@@gunfzx Cool thanks, I've never really considered refinishing a complete firearm before. I'm not too particular about my guns staying mint, but the ones that are well older than me and have some historical significance have been working long before I was alive and I want them to still be working long after I'm not... Just got lucky that my other older guns were in better shape when I found them
Have owned some nice 1911s in 45 and 10mm. I regret selling the 10mm, especially only paying around $400 for it 😩. Stole that gun. Best trigger I've ever felt. Anyway, not a 45 fan and would only own another 1911 in 10mm. I would definitely choose the Tokarev over a 1911. I like that the gun is thinner and the 7.62x25 ranging from 1300fps to 1800fps, is a better round, in my humble opinion. I'm sure a head to head with the 45 would surprise.
Interesting. I thought that the total lockup at half cock was weird and it took me quite a while to realize it was a well-designed safety. It wasn’t until I had watched and read quite a bit to realize what it was. With that obvious external safety now I question - why did the US require those ugly import safeties? It already has one!
My yugo m57 has the thumb safety design like 1911 which im totally fine with. I love that feature. But the grip one i'm ok with, doesnt bother me, however its nice that it isnt there on the M57 imo
@@gunfzx right, i was watching a couple more tokarev vids (just randomly like revisiting the topic of what ppl think of it) i totally forgot this john browning himself actually came up with that grip angel on earlier colts. So, the legend himself thought it was more ergonomically correct, but i like both, i just loved learning all these weird oddities and unique details & such.
Tokarev pistols are reliable, simple, rugged and can survive everything easily. Polish made are extremely best quality. Russian and hungarian are second best made.
... I have handled a Tokarev, 1939 manufacture ... very interesting ... fun to shoot too. That later production Tokarevs are much better finished ... but they have the "safety" ... I like the 1939 model ...
... that "1939" Tokarev I handled and shot maybe a TT30 actually ... didn't the modified TT30 become the TT33 in 1944 ??? I first saw/handled that particular pistol in the early 1960's ( when getting ammo for it was difficult, so we didn't shoot it much then ...)
Is it a Yugo like mine or an actual Russian? Or a Romanian? What's the condition? Russians are worth a lot more from what I read and condition is quite important in price evaluation.
I like the Tokarev but I’m definitely not in agreement that it’s better. They abandoned the pistol and the cartridge it used after only a pair of decades.
@@gunfzx aw unfortunately not it is yougoslavian. I kinda got ripped off about 50 bucks but it's ok. And yes the condition is not mint but it's a bit better then average.
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That's not a t33 tokarev. That's a M57 Yugoslavian model
True
No it's not! That was an M16! ASSAULT RIFLE! I saw it on a news report on CNN!
Yup
How do you know the difference? I have one made in 1948.
@@Jmoney_82 Yugo uses M for there military arms designations just like the M24 Yugo or Yugo M48 Mauser being a Pistol that's likely made it 1957 Era for M57
They are both 1911's so they both win, just one is chambered in a better caliber, 7.62x25! HAIL THE 762X25
Exactly!
TT-33 ain't a 1911 😂
Well… you’re not entirely wrong,
The Tokarev does have some parts of the 1911 in it, but it’s actually more similar to the M1903
Correct. It's 1903@@CrotalusKid
Tokarev 🏆
I've got the Romanian & Yugoslavian tokarevs and one Rock Island 1911. All great, but the Yugoslavian tokarev takes the cake for go to pistol. 💯🙏
I believe the 1911 grip safety was added to the design by by Saint John Moses Browning at the request of the Army Ordnance Board.
True to both of you. A 1911 development video by Gun Jesus told us all about it.
He was adamantly against it-but the design change was required by the ordinance dept
Tokarev's 7.62 mm can pierce through armor than the 1911's 45.ACP
But let's be honest majority of pistols took inspiration to Browning's M1911
True. This one dropped all the safeties. Some like that.
Ah yes, the Tokarev.
One of the very few guns that we Canadians can get the proper, original manufacturer version of, while our southern neighbours cannot easily, if at all, get.
Just bought my Soviet-manufactured TT33 yesterday.
What’s the year on yours??
@@gunfzx I live remotely so it's still in shipping unfortunately.
"Post-war production un-issued" is the description, so likely to be from the 50s or perhaps 60s.
If it's from late 40s I'll be quite pleasantly surprised.
Then I just finalize my 1944 Ithaca 1911A1 purchase and I have my two cold-war classics 👌
@@happytrigger3946 - good selection. Looking for a military 1911 myself. I have several Cold War classics that shoot the 9x18 makarov. Later, but more my time since I was born in 70
@@gunfzx unfortunately the mak is prohibited in Canada due to barrel length on the standard models. That's the main appeal of the Soviet TT33 and contracted Ithaca 1911A1, totally original military configuration which meet Canadian criteria.
I'm too young to remember the cold war, but nonetheless I have a deep appreciation for the history of wars and the mechanical developments made during those troubled times.
If only guns could talk...
But I'll settle for holding history in my hands 🙂
@@happytrigger3946 history in my hands - exactly
You seem like a kind of guy that appreciates a Glock. I can respect that. I must have had the misfortune of handling some pretty crappy Glocks unfortunately the triggers and feel of them, to me anyways, was akin to a hi point. I would rather the 1911 honestly. Although it would be nice to get a double stack 1911. With the prices of guns and ammo these days I am just waiting for everything to level out. That's for the video though.
I have two friends who had quite unreliable Glocks. One a G27 and the other a G42. The triggers are not great and a 1911 and many others have much better triggers. Totally agree. Super popular and mostly reliable guns though. Thanks for the comment.
The Tokarev is roughly equivalent to a Commander-length 1911. You can put one over the other and they're pretty identical in length if not width. If you can get one with a scissor trigger safety, there's no external alteration to the frame and you can put an unaltered trigger in its place. I'm happy enough with the thumb safety on my Romanian, though.
It does seem a bit shorter than the 5” 1911. You’re OK with that safety? I really can’t stand it. I think the Tokarev is a bit thinner than the 1911 but not in the grip. Those Tokarev grips are really thick.
Is your thumb safety on the romanian like a 1911 thumb safety style?
Thats what my yugo has a thumb safety just like the 1911 thumb safety.
What's interesting is that even with all the safeties on the 1911 engaged the originals could still go off from the weight of the firing pin - rare, but not unheard of.
Yeah, apparently the series 70 with a steel firing pin and lighter spring could discharge if dropped. It would remain cocked and locked but that firing pin inertia was large enough to fire it.
So they added the firing pin safety for the series 80. Or a Ti pin or a heavier firing pin spring.
The soviet 7.62X24 is the grand daddy of the .45ACP
The .45 ACP round was developed in 1904 and is a straight wall cartridge whose development was unconnected to the various .30 pistol bottleneck rounds. The Soviet Union didn’t exist until 1917 and the Tokarev round was developed in 1930.
@@gunfzx but we cant deny that 7.62x25 pierces through level iiia armor
In Russia TT is called "the killer's pistol" for the penetration and the speed of usage. And because killers love him much. As well.
Used for a LOT of executions apparently
The current production Serbian M57A from Zastava has important advantages over a full-size Government M1911A1.
It is thinner and lighter; 30 oz versus 40 oz. Easier to carry.
The round is more powerful than at least standard pressure .45 ACP.
There are also disadvantages.
Ammo availability is terrible by comparison, at least here in the US. Only ONE choice for hollow point carry ammo from a major manufacturer (PPU); it’s s good round but it’s the only one you can get here anymore WHEN you can find it. In fact, all 7.62x25mm is imported into the US; no major American manufacturers produce it at all.
Not much in the way of aftermarket accessories. Can’t get night sights. You can get different grips for it and an add-on muzzle brake, but that’s it. I recommend painting the front blade fluorescent green and the rear notch fluorescent red; under good lighting that helps a lot to pick up the sights.
Overall, the M57A is a nifty gun but for a specialized taste. It’s a worthy defensive arm if you can live with its “old school” limitations.
Good summary. The grip angle is quite different from other pistols if you’re switching often but it’s quite thin except for the grip. I’d like a grippy grip that thinned up the pistol since that would make it more concealable.
Only tokarev works from -65 to + 70 Celsius... flawlessly...
I just picked up a 1941 Russian TT33 with no import marks or external Safety Added. Is there a way I can send you photos - can you share any knowledge you have. The Serial Number is Two Cyrillic letters followed by four numbers. Older larger serrations on side. Grip panels have the Star with CCCP on both sides. Top of the slide has the serial number again, also what looks like a small STAR and then the year 1941. Thank you.
GunFzx@gmail.com
I’d love to see those pictures sounds like a great find.
Gun Fzx sending in about 10 min. I was stunned when I saw it (stunned; from all of the UA-cam videos I have seen people post and what Import marks are on theirs and the several different Safeties that can be added to them.). Thank you
No safety switch because one general ( Budennyi ) told Tokarev, that he wants to take a pistol and start shooting right away, without switches that take too much time.
Interesting. From an empty chamber? That half cock “safety” would be actuated on a full chamber and you’d still have to manually cock it. Any references I can take a look at?
One cool gesture of The tokarev , The hammer is mounted on a cassette
سؤال لصاحب القناة المحترم لدي توكاريف m57
رقم السيري هو E45 339 كم هيه سنه الصنع
I read somewhere that the tokarev's hammer was designed to be mounted by rubbing it with the pants or the palm of the left hand
did u ever know...the soviet used the 1911. the Zar regime buyed them from the USA like the schoefield no3 the Winchester m1895 and also the first mosin nagant where made at the Remington factory. it came along with Winchester, Remington and more
I had read exactly that. Not in large numbers apparently and they weren’t making 45 ammo but they did import the 1911. Interesting.
@@gunfzx exactly! forgotten weapons and legacy collectibels did some vids about that
I finally found one after wanting for a good long time. A Romanian 1952 in 7.62x25, but mine does have a thumb safety, would that have been a modification later for import purposes or something or is that original? Not that it really matters a whole lot I guess, they're not high value guns to my knowledge, and I bought it to shoot not to baby, but I kinda want to have it refinished (possibly just reblued, but I'm thinking black nitride) and I'd feel better doing that if it's already modified.
The original was sans safety. Import laws require a safety so go ahead and refinish it!
@@gunfzx Cool thanks, I've never really considered refinishing a complete firearm before. I'm not too particular about my guns staying mint, but the ones that are well older than me and have some historical significance have been working long before I was alive and I want them to still be working long after I'm not... Just got lucky that my other older guns were in better shape when I found them
@@RandarTheBarbarian good project!
Which is your 1911? I love ❤ it
Kimber custom TLE II in 10 mm!
Have owned some nice 1911s in 45 and 10mm. I regret selling the 10mm, especially only paying around $400 for it 😩. Stole that gun. Best trigger I've ever felt. Anyway, not a 45 fan and would only own another 1911 in 10mm. I would definitely choose the Tokarev over a 1911. I like that the gun is thinner and the 7.62x25 ranging from 1300fps to 1800fps, is a better round, in my humble opinion. I'm sure a head to head with the 45 would surprise.
That Tokarev really is skinny. Recoil’s not bad either. I expect the 7.62 would compete really well with the 45 ACP.
WHY can't Americans recognize the 1/2 cock of the Browning Hi-Power P35 and the Russian Tokarev pistols Safety ?
Interesting. I thought that the total lockup at half cock was weird and it took me quite a while to realize it was a well-designed safety. It wasn’t until I had watched and read quite a bit to realize what it was.
With that obvious external safety now I question - why did the US require those ugly import safeties? It already has one!
Good video, but I’d say the t33 is closer to a 1903 browning
True, but who’s gonna watch that comparison! Plus it’s the closest I had on hand
Not a fair comparison. You should have compared your Yugo Tokarev with an original GI 1911
Got one to give me??
My yugo m57 has the thumb safety design like 1911 which im totally fine with. I love that feature. But the grip one i'm ok with, doesnt bother me, however its nice that it isnt there on the M57 imo
Actually neither safety was on the original pistols
@@gunfzx yeah i know, but i think having a safety isnt a bad idea, & i think the thumb safety is really intuitive feeling.
@@KurticeYZreacts whatever you’re used to and whatever is best for your situation.
@@gunfzx right, i was watching a couple more tokarev vids (just randomly like revisiting the topic of what ppl think of it) i totally forgot this john browning himself actually came up with that grip angel on earlier colts. So, the legend himself thought it was more ergonomically correct, but i like both, i just loved learning all these weird oddities and unique details & such.
That is zastava's m70aa model which has same looking as m57 but it has thumb safety and it is in 9mm
idk man i think tokarev wins
If just for the fireballs at the muzzle
Tokarev pistols are reliable, simple, rugged and can survive everything easily. Polish made are extremely best quality. Russian and hungarian are second best made.
What about my Yugoslavian???? :)
@@gunfzx the yugoslavian one is considered the best. Yours seems like it has been used A lot
We also have 9mm variants. Model m70a
@@gunfzx I love the Yugos. :)
They're both ancient historical peices that belong in museums
Or in my hand at the range.
Or in the hands of a Soviet WWII vet defending his home
... I have handled a Tokarev, 1939 manufacture ... very interesting ... fun to shoot too. That later production Tokarevs are much better finished ... but they have the "safety" ... I like the 1939 model ...
Those safeties are an import requirement and not on the original from what I can tell.
... that "1939" Tokarev I handled and shot maybe a TT30 actually ... didn't the modified TT30 become the TT33 in 1944 ??? I first saw/handled that particular pistol in the early 1960's ( when getting ammo for it was difficult, so we didn't shoot it much then ...)
@@harrymurphey2634 Yeahbit seems the 30 was improved for the 33
The Tokarev is just a 1911 but better. Also good video my dude.
Thanks, brother. That Tokarev is excellently simple. And it breathes fire.
I have a chinese tok and a Zigana 9mm also but i like the tok more its round is small but lethal
Where did u get that for 200
@@mikemorris5944 5 years ago at AIM surplus.
Russian tokarev is a Superior weapon
as mentioned elsewhere here that beloved Tokarev is but a copy of an earlier Colt design. I would ask "in what way?" ...
I have fully handmade Tokarev
Nice!
@@gunfzx here still handmade Martinji ,lee enfield ,ak and pistols
Your Instagram is dope
@@khyberpasscustoms9663 wish I had the time and the teachers
I have one from 1948, any idea what they are worth?
Is it a Yugo like mine or an actual Russian? Or a Romanian? What's the condition? Russians are worth a lot more from what I read and condition is quite important in price evaluation.
I'll take both,if I could 😆
Absolutely
Based of of the fn 1903
Off
It also uses the tilting barrel locking system and slide stop lever of the 1911
Tokarev is much better
I like the Tokarev but I’m definitely not in agreement that it’s better. They abandoned the pistol and the cartridge it used after only a pair of decades.
The 45 was ordained by our creator to JMB
The Tokarev is a knockoff of the Colt Model 1903.
Just like all things socialist they just steal. Mostly old tech. And crappily.
You might as well say that the 7.62 x 25 Tokarev round is a rip-off of the 7.63 x 25 Mauser C96 round
@@jasonmartinez5116 Nope. :D
The tt is a knockoff of the 1911
Definitely some design influence or common ancestry
It's a mix between the FN 1903 and 1911
1911 is better and more powerful, also the quality is better!
Quality is better but the 45 has less energy and speed.
Never TT33 is amazing gun. 1911 is a girly gun
@@georgemalci855 its not girly, its just overweight when compared to its russian counter part
@@KurticeYZreacts and more beautiful!
*TT has dumb curves like cars from the 60s!*
@@AutodidactEngineer No! You take that back... i drive a car from the 60's! You're calling my DUNE BUGGY ugly? MY CC!? (Compact Connie is her name)
The 1911 was made combat. The Tokarev was made for executions.
Lol I just got an tt-33 for 380...
Real Russian? Good condition?
@@gunfzx aw unfortunately not it is yougoslavian. I kinda got ripped off about 50 bucks but it's ok. And yes the condition is not mint but it's a bit better then average.
@@Collectorfirearms not bad. Interesting pistols
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