Pastor Green just be pouring his heart out and y’all be laughing so baaaad 😂😂 but you can tell it’s all genuine fun not an actual disregard of what is being said.. such a solid friendship 💪🏾
You’re so right. I be like man y’all let the man have a moment. But I also think because they’re all friends, maybe they want to pull him out of that place before it’s a slippery slope of emotions. Just some observations because they do it every time.
@@travisblair3189facts…the older generation have a lot of unspoken traumas and wounds they call “fathering” or the negatives of it and they make it part of the process they put you through as well.
This is accurate. We cannot assume that every pastor handles all the sheep the way the Good Sheperd would. All flesh is grass. Some sheep have been driven away then labeled 'bad.'
I agree some sons don't want to take what Our fathers have now; we just want to help them, admire them, and would be honored to carry their legacy. All of the examples they mentioned Paul, David, Joshua/Caleb, Joseph and Jesus with the disciples. Their biological fathers didn't have a great legacy to give them. The Kings of the bible understood preparing sons and succession. When David became a king, he understood and prepared Solomon. God had actually tell him that his son was next. That seems to be a big subject in the African American church. Other reformations say to their sons, it's time for you and I'm going to help you. Whether it's here or another place.
You never lied! I've seen it and have experienced it. Your leaders can be intimidated by the anointing on your life. They will not allow you to operate because of this. And a lot of gifted men and women of God never reach their full potential in God.
You both are talking good and true. I myself experienced as well. It is hurtful. However they will be heald accountable for being THE STUMBLING BLOCK! My husband just went through this!
I think Bishop Jacob's View on this is very harmful lol. If my spiritual father fell by the wayside in sin or crazy carnalism, I'd get a new one too. I'm not following someone to a fault AT ALL.
@lanebingo Well you might as well just lean into your own understanding because everyone has something you won’t agree with on every aspect of things. You cannot just erase your first spiritual father from everything. How did they get that leadership position in your life in the first place if they was so toxic? Overtime things can occur is better well said. He is speaking from a respectful leadership point of views. You are the ones that is dangerous and need some re evaluation if you giving people leadership over your life without a full assessment first
@@kiwanamckee3581 no one said to erase your first spiritual father… that’s what everyone was trying to explain to Bishop Jacob’s. 😂 They were just saying that you don’t need to stay with them if they aren’t leading you right. You also sound a little hurt and blinded so I’ll be praying for you.
It seems like pentecostals are trying to create a spiritual office that is not mentioned in the Bible. That's why there's so much confusion around this topic...so much that these four men of God couldn't agree at times. Let's stick with scripture. The Pauline offices are Pastor/Bishop (the two being synonymous in Baptist doctrine) and Deacon. Spirit gifts to the church are Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, teacher. The spiritual father is something never spoken in scripture and is a modern creation that has subjected many to confusion, abuse, and manipulation.
Bishop Brandon has to be put on a time restraint….. lol Set a clock next to him when he is making a point, because that point is 3 points with sub points!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
What about the spiritual fathers that lack the ability to father bc they have never sat in the seat of a son? This has become a real issue. Going through ranks are essential to development. My father made me serve in capacities and not just enjoy the experience of being a pk.
What about the “bastard” sons, who’s father’s wouldn’t take the time to nurture and cultivate their gifts. How does that son move forward without a covering or how should that son seek the proper covering? And going further, what happens if in the same scenario, the spiritual father passes away before any reconciliation can be had leaving the spiritual son “bastard” without a covering.
Great discussion... Pastor Green (sitting or standing) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣the Spiritual humor is awesome... and right back into the discussion without a spiritual drop 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Yall just don't know.... how beneficial this podcast is. I'm speaking for ME! I am loving, learning, gleening all of it. Prayers & blessings to all of you brothers 🙌🏾
I think church members need to create a show and talk about what they don't like about the fathers, if the fathers can create a show and talk about what they dont like about the sons, trust and believe it's a lot that the sons don't like about the fathers! Some fathers abuse their power in the church....let's talk about that!!
I agree some sons don't want to take what Our fathers have now; we just want to help them, admire them, and would be honored to carry their legacy. All of the examples they mentioned Paul, David, Joshua/Caleb, Joseph and Jesus with the disciples. Their biological fathers didn't have a great legacy to give them. The Kings of the bible understood preparing sons and succession. When David became a king, he understood and prepared Solomon. God had actually tell him that his son was next. That seems to be a big subject in the African American church. Other reformations say to their sons, it's time for you and I'm going to help you. Whether it's here or another place.
I don’t know if this question was asked or answered on this episode..Does your spiritual have to be your birth father or commence with your birth father ?
Sometimes you have to leave and allow the lord to put another spiritual father in your path!! Why? Because sometimes it’s not the son that is the bastard, and it’s not always the son that is the issue, it’s not always the son. Sometimes it’s the father that has allowed the evil spirit that entered Saul and jealousy, envy and hatred seeps in. So the change is some time’s necessary!!
Praise The Lord My Brothers I Look Forward To Listening To What The Lord Is Saying Through Y’all Every Monday This Week My Brothers Was Phenomenal Because God Is Taking Four Minds And Making Them One On This Issue “That The Church Becomes Healthy”!!!
Regarding spiritual fathers, if someone joins another ministry, is the pastor of their current church considered their spiritual father, or does he simply hold the title of pastor? It’s strange to be under a shepherd and not refer to that leader as your spiritual father.
This was really good and needed!! When Mark Moore said “every death isn’t physical” or something of the sort that hit me. Because I think you can be a son to whomever God has called you to, to lay a good foundation and down the line two things can push you out. 1. God leads you away and 2. Something happens within the parental that you can’t be a recipient of anymore. Not to take away of what has been laid but also can’t be built upon.
May be “A” father but not “the” father. Good point, the goal is not to make carbon copy of me but of Christ, follow me as I follow Christ. Only time you be an imitator of a father is when they’re an imitator of the father
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.” 1 Corinthians 4:15 KJV I believe this is so fitting.
I’m several years older than you all but I want you to know that I’ve been really blessed by listening to you. Stick together. Keep this going. You’re blessing people older and younger than you.
Pastor Green just be pouring his heart out and y’all be laughing so baaaad 😂😂 but you can tell it’s all genuine fun not an actual disregard of what is being said.. such a solid friendship 💪🏾
You’re so right. I be like man y’all let the man have a moment. But I also think because they’re all friends, maybe they want to pull him out of that place before it’s a slippery slope of emotions. Just some observations because they do it every time.
Did anyone else's sound cut at around 54:40? This was so good, didn't want it to end.
Thought it was just me!!!!!! I want to hear the ending!
Same !! Thought I was trippin!!
yea
Bishop Jacobs, it’s not always the sons being rebellious, we must deal with fathers who abuse and mishandle sons. It’s only fair.
I agree. There's sons right now, that is dealing with being mishandled, along with being naturally & spiritually abused by their fathers.
Must!!!
@@travisblair3189facts…the older generation have a lot of unspoken traumas and wounds they call “fathering” or the negatives of it and they make it part of the process they put you through as well.
This is accurate. We cannot assume that every pastor handles all the sheep the way the Good Sheperd would. All flesh is grass. Some sheep have been driven away then labeled 'bad.'
I agree some sons don't want to take what Our fathers have now; we just want to help them, admire them, and would be honored to carry their legacy. All of the examples they mentioned Paul, David, Joshua/Caleb, Joseph and Jesus with the disciples. Their biological fathers didn't have a great legacy to give them. The Kings of the bible understood preparing sons and succession. When David became a king, he understood and prepared Solomon. God had actually tell him that his son was next. That seems to be a big subject in the African American church. Other reformations say to their sons, it's time for you and I'm going to help you. Whether it's here or another place.
Every death doesn’t require a funeral!!
The danger also of fathers being jealous and envious of their sons/daughters anointing. ( Who becomes Spiritual Bullies ) .
Big facts !! David and king Saul syndrome is a REAL THING!!
You never lied! I've seen it and have experienced it. Your leaders can be intimidated by the anointing on your life. They will not allow you to operate because of this. And a lot of gifted men and women of God never reach their full potential in God.
You both are talking good and true. I myself experienced as well. It is hurtful. However they will be heald accountable for being THE STUMBLING BLOCK! My husband just went through this!
This was hilarious and very informative!! Thank you all for this great teaching! I'm looking forward to next Mondays episode!
“Everyone’s water isn’t clean sometimes it’s YELLOW “!!!! 😂😂😂 Talk Bishop Jacob’s
Is it possible to be loyal to your detriment??? To loyal, that you can't see the harm and destruction its causing you???
Bishop Jacob’s is ME! Lol. Let me FINISH! 😂😂🤣
“What may be the will of God for later may not be with wisdom of God for now” man this was rich!!
This episode made me go and apologize to a spiritual father all over again for something by the grace of God was already dealt with… powerful segment.
I think Bishop Jacob's View on this is very harmful lol. If my spiritual father fell by the wayside in sin or crazy carnalism, I'd get a new one too. I'm not following someone to a fault AT ALL.
@lanebingo Well you might as well just lean into your own understanding because everyone has something you won’t agree with on every aspect of things. You cannot just erase your first spiritual father from everything. How did they get that leadership position in your life in the first place if they was so toxic? Overtime things can occur is better well said. He is speaking from a respectful leadership point of views. You are the ones that is dangerous and need some re evaluation if you giving people leadership over your life without a full assessment first
@@kiwanamckee3581 no one said to erase your first spiritual father… that’s what everyone was trying to explain to Bishop Jacob’s. 😂 They were just saying that you don’t need to stay with them if they aren’t leading you right. You also sound a little hurt and blinded so I’ll be praying for you.
@@lanebingo😂😂😂
Anyone else lose sound at 54:40 of the video? I had no audio from that point to the end.. Ran it back still got sound up until 54:40 🤔 lol
It dropped for me as well.
The thumbnail was ITTTT 👍🏾👍🏾
THIS PODCAST IS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH THESE FOUR MEN!!
this man said we confuse fathers for a sponsor..........................................MIGHTY GODDDDD!!!!!!!
It seems like pentecostals are trying to create a spiritual office that is not mentioned in the Bible. That's why there's so much confusion around this topic...so much that these four men of God couldn't agree at times. Let's stick with scripture. The Pauline offices are Pastor/Bishop (the two being synonymous in Baptist doctrine) and Deacon. Spirit gifts to the church are Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, teacher. The spiritual father is something never spoken in scripture and is a modern creation that has subjected many to confusion, abuse, and manipulation.
SPEAK!!!! You are speaking the TRUTH!!!
This conversation is SO GOOD!!!!!!
i’m ready to see the episide after this AIM convention ‼️‼️‼️‼️
37:17 that’s right bishop those that leave wrong was never right 🔥🔥
Bishop Brandon has to be put on a time restraint….. lol
Set a clock next to him when he is making a point, because that point is 3 points with sub points!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
What about the spiritual fathers that lack the ability to father bc they have never sat in the seat of a son? This has become a real issue. Going through ranks are essential to development. My father made me serve in capacities and not just enjoy the experience of being a pk.
So would they be considered a spiritual father? If they have never been a son, then maybe they are just a spiritual man, possibly a spiritual brother.
"It aint the soil its the oil" Jacobs!!!
There is a book called “You have not many fathers” by Dr. Mark Hanby, you guys are speaking the same thing almost word for word!
Children these days would not be able to handle the level of rebuke we received… oh but God, I thank you for it!!!
Bishop Jacobs is funny 45:46 😂😂
None of these preachers hv said to pray and ask God for a spiritual father. Pray about everything n obey God. God knows all. Pray n obey
Some people water is yellow……….
I love y’all’s banter!!!!!!
I love how wholesome this is, I will never miss an episode!❤
Need more conversations like this DEEP
What about the “bastard” sons, who’s father’s wouldn’t take the time to nurture and cultivate their gifts. How does that son move forward without a covering or how should that son seek the proper covering? And going further, what happens if in the same scenario, the spiritual father passes away before any reconciliation can be had leaving the spiritual son “bastard” without a covering.
It would be great to hear this from the perspective of a woman as well.
Great discussion... Pastor Green (sitting or standing) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣the Spiritual humor is awesome... and right back into the discussion without a spiritual drop 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Yall just don't know.... how beneficial this podcast is. I'm speaking for ME!
I am loving, learning, gleening all of it. Prayers & blessings to all of you brothers 🙌🏾
I think church members need to create a show and talk about what they don't like about the fathers, if the fathers can create a show and talk about what they dont like about the sons, trust and believe it's a lot that the sons don't like about the fathers! Some fathers abuse their power in the church....let's talk about that!!
Those who leave wrong was never right wow 😮
“Does death always have a funeral !? “Jesus this one was good.
Finally, We see Honest Friendship amongst Preachers 🙌🙌
First four minutes...cracking up. Wonderful. 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've enjoyed these. Hope more leaders/preachers especially men of all ages can gather from this and be encouraged.
That’s Good Pastor Moore . Fathers play such an important role in the development of one’s life ( Spiritually and Naturally ) . Help shape our destiny
I love this podcast as a fellow preacher it's good to see preachers getting together just having a good timr
Why do most stories end with someone being on crack? 🤷🏾♂️😂 …j/k…look forward to every Monday because of this show…great work!
Legacy isn’t location!!!
I LOVE THIS PODCAST!!!!!! Thank you.🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thanks for listening
46:19 lol would you let me finish 😂😂😂 I’m weak
Hahaha 😂😂😂. Leave Bishop Brandon alone.❤❤❤
That analogy by Pastor Mark was spot on.
Whose Apostle Clacks spiritual father? Is it still Apostle Matthew Stevenson?
Served when I was angry!
I agree some sons don't want to take what Our fathers have now; we just want to help them, admire them, and would be honored to carry their legacy. All of the examples they mentioned Paul, David, Joshua/Caleb, Joseph and Jesus with the disciples. Their biological fathers didn't have a great legacy to give them. The Kings of the bible understood preparing sons and succession. When David became a king, he understood and prepared Solomon. God had actually tell him that his son was next. That seems to be a big subject in the African American church. Other reformations say to their sons, it's time for you and I'm going to help you. Whether it's here or another place.
This is really good! Thank you all for your realness. Keep these conversations coming.
Lopez Paul Thompson Helen Davis Elizabeth
Saul is davids father by marriage because theres no transfer of anointing from saul to david and
I don’t know if this question was asked or answered on this episode..Does your spiritual have to be your birth father or commence with your birth father ?
Excuse me, Let me Finish!
Mam is hilarious 😂😂😂 4:00
Sometimes you have to leave and allow the lord to put another spiritual father in your path!! Why? Because sometimes it’s not the son that is the bastard, and it’s not always the son that is the issue, it’s not always the son. Sometimes it’s the father that has allowed the evil spirit that entered Saul and jealousy, envy and hatred seeps in. So the change is some time’s necessary!!
Praise The Lord My Brothers I Look Forward To Listening To What The Lord Is Saying Through Y’all Every Monday This Week My Brothers Was Phenomenal Because God Is Taking Four Minds And Making Them One On This Issue “That The Church Becomes Healthy”!!!
David was looking for a father because Jesse doesn’t didn’t recognize David as a son . . .
Brandon “And God” Jacobs lol sent me outta here😩😂😩😂
Paul planted ; Apollos watered but God gave the increase … !
Man, I LOVE THIS podcast! This was my fav one!
Is Clack’s spiritual father Dr. Matthew Stevenson?
Regarding spiritual fathers, if someone joins another ministry, is the pastor of their current church considered their spiritual father, or does he simply hold the title of pastor?
It’s strange to be under a shepherd and not refer to that leader as your spiritual father.
Why is it considered spiritual father vs mentor or just being discipleship
I disagree, David was chosen after Gods own heart. Saul had nothing to do with David's path
Thompson Mark Thompson Jennifer Taylor George
What are you guys saying is the birth of a son? The preaching of the gospel or some other impartion?
Why do some fathers gladly and willingly collect bastards?
Love these conversations. So much wisdom.
Somebody has to facilitate the turn
Men of God, this was a rich, insightful, and hilarious conversation. This was awesome.
Moore Angela Walker Maria Rodriguez Kenneth
Smith Mark Miller Daniel Thomas Richard
The last few minutes are silent but great conversation.
Another AWESOME conversation!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love the genuine brotherhood and integrity of this podcast
Taylor Sandra Thomas Helen Hernandez Helen
Are we gonna get a part2 to this episode since the sound went out?
Man....yall ate helping me. How do you handle the "No".
Anionted for more but sent back for less!
This is such a great conversation.
Lee Elizabeth Garcia Sharon Lopez Barbara
Great talk! So who’s everyone’s spiritual father on this podcast? I didn’t hear Mark Moore’s or Brando Clack.
Pastor Moore's dad is his Pastor
That’s a great point!!!!!!
People collectors is wild.
This was really good!!
God told David not to touch saul
This is sssoooo good
Nobody is going to talk about MM’s hat???? 🧢 Like nobody????
What about it?
Saul fathered David. David loved Saul. He loved his family. Samuel spiritually fathered Israel.
What about when the spiritual son/daughter is committed but the spiritual father abandons you? Not due to conflict, just walks away.
Where do we get the idea that David is priest and king? Only Jesus and Melchizedek are considered to occupy the offices of priest and king?
This was really good and needed!! When Mark Moore said “every death isn’t physical” or something of the sort that hit me. Because I think you can be a son to whomever God has called you to, to lay a good foundation and down the line two things can push you out. 1. God leads you away and 2. Something happens within the parental that you can’t be a recipient of anymore. Not to take away of what has been laid but also can’t be built upon.
May be “A” father but not “the” father. Good point, the goal is not to make carbon copy of me but of Christ, follow me as I follow Christ. Only time you be an imitator of a father is when they’re an imitator of the father
If this was answered in the podcast sorry for the redundancy. Is your pastor automatically your spiritual father/mother?
Love this convo🫶🏾🙏🏿
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.”
1 Corinthians 4:15 KJV
I believe this is so fitting.
I’m several years older than you all but I want you to know that I’ve been really blessed by listening to you. Stick together. Keep this going. You’re blessing people older and younger than you.