"Affordable watches" has made multiple comments on this site and others. The guy has six subscribers on UA-cam and no videos. I think he is just a baiter and I would recommend just ignoring him. I have been going through the internet looking for reviews on Smith's because I'm planning on buying one. Personally I can't see anything wrong with them. I will be buying one! Thank you for your excellent review!
This is unbelievable, while I was watching the video , Smith's was at my left wrist and the Sarb033 was at my right wrist. Those are different watches, and both of them are phenomenal. Keep both of them..... Best Regards Levent
@@WeekontheWrist For my experience, no doubt, Smith's is better watch but it is homage. Sarb033 is original design. Just 1 week ago I modified my Sarb033, so it looks like 38mm explorer with arrow minute hand. I you wish I can the pictures with you
I don’t really mind homages as long as it isn’t replicas. They are both awesome in their own right, and both have pros and cons in my book. I’m leaning towards the Smiths at this point, but I don’t mind checking out the mod that you made! Thank you for watching!!
I have both and I'm keeping both as I bought them for myself to celebrate different life events. I have the SARB on an uncle seiko jubilee, which does make the SARB a lot more like a datejust. Perhaps the SARB035 would be a better fit for you, if you were to have both a sarb and a smiths?
Awesome! Both are great watches, but I also have a Seiko SNXJ92 which is a two-tone DateJust homage Seiko 5 so can’t justify having 2 DateJust looking Seiko’s! Maybe 😂 how are you liking the Uncle Seiko bracelet?
I used to have a Sarb035, wore it on a custom made leather since I couldn't get a perfect fit on the bracelet. I've had my PRS-25W for over an year now and I would confidently pick it again over the Seiko. Cheers!
That’s unfortunate that the SARB bracelet didn’t fit, they do look great on leather straps as well! The white dial Smiths looks promising as well and I think you’ve made a great choice. Thank you for the input! 😄
@@jeffthompson1231 Not loud enough to catch my attention in everyday life. But if you stop, shake your hand and listen for it you fill def. hear it. Both my 9 series Miyota movement watches ran a bit fast after almost 2 years ownership. Shaking? No, nothing comparable to the 7750 experience.
@@wi903060 got it, so the 7 series is probably what I had on my Traska. Sold that watch due to the rattling and loud noises that I heard when wearing it. The PRS-25W is freaking beautiful and wanted to see if your experience was the same. Sounds like it’s a newer movement and corrected some of those problems from the 7 series.
Keep both. SARB033 is gonna hold its value better so if purely think about financial, you should keep the SARB033. The future of Smiths watches as a brand is quite uncertain given that it’s being held up by a one man’s team. But if financial is not your priority just keep them both.
Yeah, resale value wise, the SARB wins. But the Smiths aren’t that far behind as far as resale as well so far. Financial is not priority per se, but it would free up more watch money for more watches! Thanks for the input, have a nice day! 😁
Thanks for the input! Unfortunately, the SARB and the Smiths are both gone! #flipperlife still gravitate towards dive watches for everything nowadays, might miss these sporty dress pieces eventually 😅
Hi, I don’t notice super loud rotor noises on mine. I know they’re notorious for making too loud sounds, but it wasn’t that bad compared to a Corgeut that I got with a Miyota movement on it. Thanks for the input! 😁
@@WeekontheWrist thanks for getting back to me! I also have a corgeut BB and the noise is so off putting that I’m keen to not have that experience again!
Hi! Directly from Timefactors website is where I got mine, sign up for the newsletter so you’re updated on when they’re in stock. I don’t see it much on social marketplace sites much. Thank you for watching!
The Seiko is fine but everybody has a Seiko. It's common. The Smiths isn't going to be out there much. Sell the Seiko, and buy an automatic Seiko dress watch in blue. Or Blow 5k on a Nomos Tangente sport 42.
Let me know if you want to sell the Smiths. I'll buy it from you. Also if you like the SARB, then check out the SARX035 or SARX077. They cost a little more, but they look amazing.
Will do! Leaning towards the Smiths at the moment 😁 I looked over the SARX line before but haven’t seen one in person. I bet they are amazing, but aren’t their case size a little bigger? 🤔
Hi! Probably because the Explorer design is a real classic mainstay design as opposed to the Smiths watch that went to Everest itself. I would love to check out and see a real vintage reissue of the Smiths watch that went up in the Everest! Thank you for watching 😁
VERY SIMPLE: the watch is nothing more than a watch made 100% in china with chinese generic parts. This is what you are buying. Why a Rolex homage? because the chinese have been making rolex copies for decades - there is plenty of factories producing them and it is easy and cheaper to assemble a watch using cases and bracelets that are a plain copy of a rolex. What are you getting extra from Smiths that justify the extra payment in opposition to the Rolex copies/hommages available at Aliexpress/ebay/alibaba for less than 100usd? Very little, but in summary the next: - Packaging: Smiths delivers the watch in an extremely cheap packaging - u can appreciate this in the video - Quality of the case and bracelet: the same as the ones sold at Aliexpress for less than 100usd. - Watch glass: Smiths offers sapphire but the ones from Aliexpress too - no improvement here. - Movement: Smiths offers a Miyota 9015 movement (btw a good movement), the ones at Aliexpress tend to offer the next options Miyota 8215, Seiko NH36, seagull ST16 or a generic chinese 2813 (The last one being the worst option - but is also fitted into the very cheapest watches, at around 50usd). - Dial and hands: Smiths comes with a simple printed dial - this is the cheapest way to produce a dial - and very generic rolex hands. Some of the other chinese copies come with dials with applied markers - this is more expensive yet those watches are sold for far less than Smiths. - Customer service: Chinese sellers are not known for providing a good customer service, but here is the key, Aliexpress intercedes between you and the seller and if you have a complain or receive a damage/defective product... you are likely to receive a full or partial refund. In the case of Smiths watches.... you just need to check out this video and will understand the type of person behind Smiths and what he delivers as a "customer service". ua-cam.com/video/UfN4TLjsXPg/v-deo.html&lc=Ugw3F88zhYe8PNzz2Oh4AaABAg.9I09Cu91HeE9I3ejLKxCVy The last topic is brand heritage: Once a brand becomes abandoned by the owners - and this was the case of Smiths watches... Anybody can register and own the name by registering it again to himself --- this is the case of Smiths and many other brands (Ball watches, etc...). Timefactors has been importing batches of chinese watches and re-selling them to european customers since 1996... At some point the guy owning Timefactors realized he could re-register abandoned historical brands and he has done it several times... check Timefactors offerings, he not only offers Smiths but also other less known historical brands he has registered again---- the difference between the different brands he sells? only the brand logo he is requesting the chinese manufacturer to print on the dial. ----------- MAKE up your mind if you consider this kind of "heritage" deserves any additional value or payment.
@@spencerjohnson3456 not only that - the owner of Timefactors started long ago a forum called TZ-UK, with the sole purpose to give publicity to his watches. He is the admin and owner of the forum - and he exercises "his power" by banning out of the forum anybody that has a negative review of him or the chinese watches he sells, or his pretend "customer service"... here an example: www.christopherwardforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=36451&sid=0e6ce78bffb04968de1b7e1db3f22ef9 From TZ-UK he has managed to select a group of followers that are policing youtube and any other public forum to bully anybody with a different opinion. It is quite amusing to read posts from the "timefactors" gang in his own forum, critisacing others but not being able to bing any substance to the discussion - in simple words, they are just jerking each others c..ks and bragging of their actions policing/bullying in other forums... here an example: forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?486861-A-review-from-what-I-would-call-a-bitter-customer You can easily see the inbreed nature of the group.
Yes, I had the same thoughts, as I am aware the watches are made in China & sold by timefactors in Sheffield. I been trying to understand what is so different from the many other Chinese brands that’s enables this watch to command a far higher price. It can only be the Smith name.
Smiths watches are nothing more than a watch made 100% in china with chinese generic parts. This is what you are buying if you go ahead. Why a Rolex homage? because the chinese have been making rolex copies for decades - there is plenty of factories producing them and it is easy and cheaper to assemble a watch using cases and bracelets that are a plain copy of a rolex. What are you getting extra from Smiths that justify the extra payment in opposition to the Rolex copies/hommages available at Aliexpress/ebay/alibaba for less than 100usd? Very little, but in summary the next: - Packaging: Smiths delivers the watch in an extremely cheap packaging - u can appreciate this in the video - Quality of the case and bracelet: the same as the ones sold at Aliexpress for less than 100usd. - Watch glass: Smiths offers sapphire but the ones from Aliexpress too - no improvement here. - Movement: Smiths offers a Miyota 9015 movement (btw a good movement), the ones at Aliexpress tend to offer the next options Miyota 8215, Seiko NH36, seagull ST16 or a generic chinese 2813 (The last one being the worst option - but is also fitted into the very cheapest watches, at around 50usd). - Dial and hands: Smiths comes with a simple printed dial - this is the cheapest way to produce a dial - and very generic rolex hands. Some of the other chinese copies come with dials with applied markers - this is more expensive yet those watches are sold for far less than Smiths. - Customer service: Chinese sellers are not known for providing a good customer service, but here is the key, Aliexpress intercedes between you and the seller and if you have a complain or receive a damage/defective product... you are likely to receive a full or partial refund. In the case of Smiths watches.... you just need to check out this video and will understand the type of person behind Smiths and what he delivers as a "customer service". ua-cam.com/video/UfN4TLjsXPg/v-deo.html&lc=Ugw3F88zhYe8PNzz2Oh4AaABAg.9I09Cu91HeE9I3ejLKxCVy The last topic is brand heritage: Once a brand becomes abandoned by the owners - and this was the case of Smiths watches... Anybody can register and own the name by registering it again to himself --- this is the case of Smiths and many other brands (Ball watches, etc...). Timefactors has been importing batches of chinese watches and re-selling them to european customers since 1996... At some point the guy owning Timefactors realized he could re-register abandoned historical brands and he has done it several times... check Timefactors offerings, he not only offers Smiths but also other less known historical brands he has registered again---- the difference between the different brands he sells? only the brand logo he is requesting the chinese manufacturer to print on the dial. ----------- MAKE up your mind if you consider this kind of "heritage" deserves any additional value or payment.
I have to agree. It has put me off these watches. The design is great (but it’s not theirs), buying one is also a nightmare. I think I’m going to save my money and go with something more dependable like the Tudor BB36.
With the amount of copy and pasting you're doing on everyone's reviews for Smith's watches makes me wonder what your motives are? Are Smiths better that a sub £100 Aliexpress watch? Definitely! Are they better that a similarly priced high end Chinese watch such as San Martin? Probably no better or indeed worse in my experience, which probably make them much better value than a Seiko at the same price!
Well I had to go to the bottom of the comment section to see this because this is an unpopular opinion, but it is also very true. I thought about purchasing this watch, but noticed that many owners had stated that the watch has some sort of minor defects. Also, Eddie the guy who runs the company is notorious for horrible customer service so do not even expect to get your watch fixed under warranty.
I cannot answer for the manufacturers as I didn’t have any issues with mine, but it is a pretty well made watch. I don’t have any complaints about the watch and I thought that the price was justified with the Smiths brand provenance. It fits really well on my wrist and that’s what mattered to me more.
@@polmacliam2444 definitively your comment is completely irrelevant - you add nothing into it. you say that the value is greater than from a Seiko of equivalent price - to that I think you are oblivion to the next: - how much do you value 100years of heritage? - in-house and vertically integrated? - warranty and global service? - Resell value and being able to interest 2nd buyers? you must be joking, right?
"Affordable watches" has made multiple comments on this site and others. The guy has six subscribers on UA-cam and no videos. I think he is just a baiter and I would recommend just ignoring him. I have been going through the internet looking for reviews on Smith's because I'm planning on buying one. Personally I can't see anything wrong with them. I will be buying one! Thank you for your excellent review!
I appreciate the support! Let me know if you purchase one 👍
Definitely keep the Smiths!...and thanks for showing all the cool strap options in your collection.
A very hard decision for me 😅 showcasing the watch with different straps is my favorite! Thank you for watching!
I've got them both, and plan to keep them in my collection. They are both forever watches IMHO. Solid review.
Glad you like both of them! Both are pretty awesome watches on their own right. Thanks for watching!!
This is unbelievable, while I was watching the video , Smith's was at my left wrist and the Sarb033 was at my right wrist.
Those are different watches, and both of them are phenomenal. Keep both of them.....
Best Regards
Levent
Awesome! They are both great watches, still haven’t decided which one to keep 😓 which do you prefer or are they just both too good? 🤔
@@WeekontheWrist For my experience, no doubt, Smith's is better watch but it is homage. Sarb033 is original design.
Just 1 week ago I modified my Sarb033, so it looks like 38mm explorer with arrow minute hand. I you wish I can the pictures with you
I don’t really mind homages as long as it isn’t replicas. They are both awesome in their own right, and both have pros and cons in my book. I’m leaning towards the Smiths at this point, but I don’t mind checking out the mod that you made! Thank you for watching!!
Keep them both! I plan on getting a Smiths over the next year. I just picked up the Seiko 5KX SPRE57 a few months ago.
Nice! The dressKX looks really awesome, they are 20mm lug width right? 🤔
@@WeekontheWrist yes, they are
Thanks for the info. I’ll be on the lookout for a review piece! Have a great day! 😁
I have both and I'm keeping both as I bought them for myself to celebrate different life events. I have the SARB on an uncle seiko jubilee, which does make the SARB a lot more like a datejust. Perhaps the SARB035 would be a better fit for you, if you were to have both a sarb and a smiths?
Awesome! Both are great watches, but I also have a Seiko SNXJ92 which is a two-tone DateJust homage Seiko 5 so can’t justify having 2 DateJust looking Seiko’s! Maybe 😂 how are you liking the Uncle Seiko bracelet?
I used to have a Sarb035, wore it on a custom made leather since I couldn't get a perfect fit on the bracelet. I've had my PRS-25W for over an year now and I would confidently pick it again over the Seiko. Cheers!
That’s unfortunate that the SARB bracelet didn’t fit, they do look great on leather straps as well! The white dial Smiths looks promising as well and I think you’ve made a great choice. Thank you for the input! 😄
What do you think about the Miyota movement? Is it loud and do you feel any shaking with it?
@@jeffthompson1231 Not loud enough to catch my attention in everyday life. But if you stop, shake your hand and listen for it you fill def. hear it. Both my 9 series Miyota movement watches ran a bit fast after almost 2 years ownership. Shaking? No, nothing comparable to the 7750 experience.
@@wi903060 got it, so the 7 series is probably what I had on my Traska. Sold that watch due to the rattling and loud noises that I heard when wearing it.
The PRS-25W is freaking beautiful and wanted to see if your experience was the same. Sounds like it’s a newer movement and corrected some of those problems from the 7 series.
Keep both. SARB033 is gonna hold its value better so if purely think about financial, you should keep the SARB033. The future of Smiths watches as a brand is quite uncertain given that it’s being held up by a one man’s team. But if financial is not your priority just keep them both.
Yeah, resale value wise, the SARB wins. But the Smiths aren’t that far behind as far as resale as well so far. Financial is not priority per se, but it would free up more watch money for more watches! Thanks for the input, have a nice day! 😁
Keep the smiths, I've got the smiths commando version. It's excellent spec, for the price
Thanks for the input! Unfortunately, the SARB and the Smiths are both gone! #flipperlife still gravitate towards dive watches for everything nowadays, might miss these sporty dress pieces eventually 😅
Seiko...#1
Smiths would be my preference! Out of interest, what’s the noise like on the miyota? I know it’s not the 8215 but is the rotor at all noisy?
Hi, I don’t notice super loud rotor noises on mine. I know they’re notorious for making too loud sounds, but it wasn’t that bad compared to a Corgeut that I got with a Miyota movement on it. Thanks for the input! 😁
@@WeekontheWrist thanks for getting back to me! I also have a corgeut BB and the noise is so off putting that I’m keen to not have that experience again!
Where can I buy it?
Hi! Directly from Timefactors website is where I got mine, sign up for the newsletter so you’re updated on when they’re in stock. I don’t see it much on social marketplace sites much. Thank you for watching!
keep the seiko, it will hold its value much better. the everest you can sell easily for 600 on ebay if its out of stock on timefactors.
keep the Sarb.
Thanks for the input! One of the big pros I have with the SARB is the date window.
your wrist size please? Thanks!
Hi! 6.25 inches. Thanks for watching! 😁
The Seiko is fine but everybody has a Seiko. It's common. The Smiths isn't going to be out there much. Sell the Seiko, and buy an automatic Seiko dress watch in blue. Or Blow 5k on a Nomos Tangente sport 42.
Let me know if you want to sell the Smiths. I'll buy it from you.
Also if you like the SARB, then check out the SARX035 or SARX077. They cost a little more, but they look amazing.
Will do! Leaning towards the Smiths at the moment 😁
I looked over the SARX line before but haven’t seen one in person. I bet they are amazing, but aren’t their case size a little bigger? 🤔
Keep the Smiths..
Thank you for the input! I am leaning towards the Smiths because of the size. Have a nice day 😁
I will Buy the smiths and will give you my Tisell Submersible " Red Line Sub No Date with Miyota 90s5 High beat Movement
Keep the Smiths! Are you insane!
One vote for Smiths haha 😂
The bracelet is rather crappy and doesnt fit the small watch anyways.
I thought the bracelet was okay, I do prefer the Smiths with a rubber/leather strap though!
Why make a Rolex homage when the smiths watch also went up to Everest at the same time? Seems a bit strange.
Hi! Probably because the Explorer design is a real classic mainstay design as opposed to the Smiths watch that went to Everest itself. I would love to check out and see a real vintage reissue of the Smiths watch that went up in the Everest! Thank you for watching 😁
VERY SIMPLE: the watch is nothing more than a watch made 100% in china with chinese generic parts. This is what you are buying.
Why a Rolex homage? because the chinese have been making rolex copies for decades - there is plenty of factories producing them and it is easy and cheaper to assemble a watch using cases and bracelets that are a plain copy of a rolex.
What are you getting extra from Smiths that justify the extra payment in opposition to the Rolex copies/hommages available at Aliexpress/ebay/alibaba for less than 100usd? Very little, but in summary the next:
- Packaging: Smiths delivers the watch in an extremely cheap packaging - u can appreciate this in the video
- Quality of the case and bracelet: the same as the ones sold at Aliexpress for less than 100usd.
- Watch glass: Smiths offers sapphire but the ones from Aliexpress too - no improvement here.
- Movement: Smiths offers a Miyota 9015 movement (btw a good movement), the ones at Aliexpress tend to offer the next options Miyota 8215, Seiko NH36, seagull ST16 or a generic chinese 2813 (The last one being the worst option - but is also fitted into the very cheapest watches, at around 50usd).
- Dial and hands: Smiths comes with a simple printed dial - this is the cheapest way to produce a dial - and very generic rolex hands. Some of the other chinese copies come with dials with applied markers - this is more expensive yet those watches are sold for far less than Smiths.
- Customer service: Chinese sellers are not known for providing a good customer service, but here is the key, Aliexpress intercedes between you and the seller and if you have a complain or receive a damage/defective product... you are likely to receive a full or partial refund. In the case of Smiths watches.... you just need to check out this video and will understand the type of person behind Smiths and what he delivers as a "customer service". ua-cam.com/video/UfN4TLjsXPg/v-deo.html&lc=Ugw3F88zhYe8PNzz2Oh4AaABAg.9I09Cu91HeE9I3ejLKxCVy
The last topic is brand heritage: Once a brand becomes abandoned by the owners - and this was the case of Smiths watches... Anybody can register and own the name by registering it again to himself --- this is the case of Smiths and many other brands (Ball watches, etc...). Timefactors has been importing batches of chinese watches and re-selling them to european customers since 1996... At some point the guy owning Timefactors realized he could re-register abandoned historical brands and he has done it several times... check Timefactors offerings, he not only offers Smiths but also other less known historical brands he has registered again---- the difference between the different brands he sells? only the brand logo he is requesting the chinese manufacturer to print on the dial. ----------- MAKE up your mind if you consider this kind of "heritage" deserves any additional value or payment.
@@educarmar damn, nice review. While the aesthetics are nice it seems like it’s backed by a mirage.
@@spencerjohnson3456 not only that - the owner of Timefactors started long ago a forum called TZ-UK, with the sole purpose to give publicity to his watches. He is the admin and owner of the forum - and he exercises "his power" by banning out of the forum anybody that has a negative review of him or the chinese watches he sells, or his pretend "customer service"... here an example:
www.christopherwardforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=36451&sid=0e6ce78bffb04968de1b7e1db3f22ef9
From TZ-UK he has managed to select a group of followers that are policing youtube and any other public forum to bully anybody with a different opinion.
It is quite amusing to read posts from the "timefactors" gang in his own forum, critisacing others but not being able to bing any substance to the discussion - in simple words, they are just jerking each others c..ks and bragging of their actions policing/bullying in other forums... here an example:
forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?486861-A-review-from-what-I-would-call-a-bitter-customer
You can easily see the inbreed nature of the group.
Yes, I had the same thoughts, as I am aware the watches are made in China & sold by timefactors in Sheffield. I been trying to understand what is so different from the many other Chinese brands that’s enables this watch to command a far higher price. It can only be the Smith name.
Smiths watches are nothing more than a watch made 100% in china with chinese generic parts. This is what you are buying if you go ahead.
Why a Rolex homage? because the chinese have been making rolex copies for decades - there is plenty of factories producing them and it is easy and cheaper to assemble a watch using cases and bracelets that are a plain copy of a rolex.
What are you getting extra from Smiths that justify the extra payment in opposition to the Rolex copies/hommages available at Aliexpress/ebay/alibaba for less than 100usd? Very little, but in summary the next:
- Packaging: Smiths delivers the watch in an extremely cheap packaging - u can appreciate this in the video
- Quality of the case and bracelet: the same as the ones sold at Aliexpress for less than 100usd.
- Watch glass: Smiths offers sapphire but the ones from Aliexpress too - no improvement here.
- Movement: Smiths offers a Miyota 9015 movement (btw a good movement), the ones at Aliexpress tend to offer the next options Miyota 8215, Seiko NH36, seagull ST16 or a generic chinese 2813 (The last one being the worst option - but is also fitted into the very cheapest watches, at around 50usd).
- Dial and hands: Smiths comes with a simple printed dial - this is the cheapest way to produce a dial - and very generic rolex hands. Some of the other chinese copies come with dials with applied markers - this is more expensive yet those watches are sold for far less than Smiths.
- Customer service: Chinese sellers are not known for providing a good customer service, but here is the key, Aliexpress intercedes between you and the seller and if you have a complain or receive a damage/defective product... you are likely to receive a full or partial refund. In the case of Smiths watches.... you just need to check out this video and will understand the type of person behind Smiths and what he delivers as a "customer service". ua-cam.com/video/UfN4TLjsXPg/v-deo.html&lc=Ugw3F88zhYe8PNzz2Oh4AaABAg.9I09Cu91HeE9I3ejLKxCVy
The last topic is brand heritage: Once a brand becomes abandoned by the owners - and this was the case of Smiths watches... Anybody can register and own the name by registering it again to himself --- this is the case of Smiths and many other brands (Ball watches, etc...). Timefactors has been importing batches of chinese watches and re-selling them to european customers since 1996... At some point the guy owning Timefactors realized he could re-register abandoned historical brands and he has done it several times... check Timefactors offerings, he not only offers Smiths but also other less known historical brands he has registered again---- the difference between the different brands he sells? only the brand logo he is requesting the chinese manufacturer to print on the dial. ----------- MAKE up your mind if you consider this kind of "heritage" deserves any additional value or payment.
I have to agree. It has put me off these watches. The design is great (but it’s not theirs), buying one is also a nightmare. I think I’m going to save my money and go with something more dependable like the Tudor BB36.
With the amount of copy and pasting you're doing on everyone's reviews for Smith's watches makes me wonder what your motives are? Are Smiths better that a sub £100 Aliexpress watch? Definitely! Are they better that a similarly priced high end Chinese watch such as San Martin? Probably no better or indeed worse in my experience, which probably make them much better value than a Seiko at the same price!
Well I had to go to the bottom of the comment section to see this because this is an unpopular opinion, but it is also very true.
I thought about purchasing this watch, but noticed that many owners had stated that the watch has some sort of minor defects.
Also, Eddie the guy who runs the company is notorious for horrible customer service so do not even expect to get your watch fixed under warranty.
I cannot answer for the manufacturers as I didn’t have any issues with mine, but it is a pretty well made watch. I don’t have any complaints about the watch and I thought that the price was justified with the Smiths brand provenance. It fits really well on my wrist and that’s what mattered to me more.
@@polmacliam2444 definitively your comment is completely irrelevant - you add nothing into it.
you say that the value is greater than from a Seiko of equivalent price - to that I think you are oblivion to the next:
- how much do you value 100years of heritage?
- in-house and vertically integrated?
- warranty and global service?
- Resell value and being able to interest 2nd buyers?
you must be joking, right?