Game of Thrones; Or The Pain Of Falling Out Of Love With A Story
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This is a different kind of video for me. It’s less of a writing lesson than it is a reading lesson, or even a living lesson. It’s me working through the familiar feeling of frustration I’ve felt in the past when watching a beloved story decline before reaching the end, and an exercise for getting around that.
So yeah, lets talk about Game of Thrones season seven.
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Hey guys! So if you feel the same way about the show as I do, let me know how you would change it! Share your "fan fictions" below.
Personally, I'm all in for self contained stories. If it were up to me, that would be one of my solutions for the teleportation issues. Have a certain group of characters stick more or less to their locations and direct environment with them only having to travel a long distance once at max. It is one of the few things I liked about the 'Winterfell' scenario this season and the 'Sam at the Citadel' story.
Jon, Dany and Cersei get stab in the back the first stupid decision they make, leaving background characters to fend for themselves. Any character still willing to adapt to the ever changing circumstances escape to the Free Cities and Westeros is overtaken by the Others. Azor Ahai never comes because the legend was meant for a different time period.
I would essentially adapt the book as best I can. Sure, I would cut stuff out but i would also have longer seasons.
I'd have the entire world slowly decay, with constantly having tiny hopes of it getting well, which constantly gets diminished.
The series ends with everyone dead, the world in snowy chaotic death, and a heroic last stand by.. like... well Jon snow or someone who's been there from the beginning. Sort of like the ending of the two towers, but there's no happy ending. So the catharsis of the entire series would be that all this lying, bickering and backstabbing ultimately will only lead to the end of humanity, leaving the most honest and truly strong as a last survivor destined to see the suffering of all other people.
The best stories rarely end happily, so I'd be sad to see GoT doing so
Hey, Just Write uhm... Person. I wrote the following passage for an online forum some days ago. I'd really love to hear your thoughts on this:
"Martin is good in creating a world, he is good in creating characters and he is good in writing single scenes. But he is bad as shit in telling a coherent story. In that respect he is not unlike Gene Roddenberry.
There is one important rule when it comes to telling a story: Everything has to serve the plot. If I recall correct Hemingway phrased it somewhat like this: The quality of a story is measured by the amount of really good material that didn't make the cut.
Martin doesn't write like this. It's pretty obvious that every time he gets stuck he just falls back on what he does well: He creates a new aspect of the world or a new character. But - kill me if you like - I'm pretty sure he himself had/has at best a vague idea how the story will go forward, how the story will end. And because of this all these new elements don't actually serve the story.
This is what bites the show in the ass right now. That it had to become more positive had to be expected. It's a necessary consequence coming with the three arc structure. But that the writing itself is so fucking weak is not because of the weak writing now, it's because of the weak writing all over the years. There are tons of stuff with no purpose and the audience demands a resolution for every single one of these characters, arcs and things. This is what's fucking things up now...
BTW, I bet this is why Littlefinger's end was so underwhelming in the show. They had simply nothing they could do with him anymore. During season seven they used him to have at least some sort of plot in Winterfell. Besides "Oh, what is Littlefinger doing now?" there is not really much going on there. But this is going to change in season eight and so they simply decided to kill him off now. He had no further use in terms of storytelling."
A more enjoyable ending would have been the Night King killing everyone and sitting on the Iron Throne drinking and iced latte from Starbucks.
While getting a rim job from resurrected Stannis
Naw son more like a peppermint mocha frap
Totally agree👌
Season 7: "I'm the worst season"
Season 8: "Hold my coffee cup"
the series of Lost experience but it is worse
Season 9 EP5: Hold my coaster
Season 8: “Let me put my Starbucks coffee cup visibly on the table”
very clever! :D :D one more reason to hate Dany, she ruins lives AND shots!
You could honestly star this with Season five saying I'm the worst season, and then every season after it continously saying that, and do the same with episodes for season 8 as well :/
"They defeated Satan and I’m supposed to care who gets elected President afterwards..”
GoT for y'all
That is a good analogy lol
That sounds like the plot of Supernatural, now in its 200th season lol
@@chrispeaks7393 yet still better than GoT Season 8
@@chrispeaks7393 The show was supposed to end at season 4, and it's biggest mistake was trying to go on beyond that to milk the series for all of its soul. The characters die and get resurrected so many times that I can't believe anyone even cares anymore. It was already a longtime joke that Sam and Dean die so often and come back to life just as often, yet none of the fans who make that joke ever seem to understand that it destroys all tension and any possibility that we could get any truly final end to the characters. Because at this point, NOBODY will believe that this is the last time they die.
...holy shit. This is what happened. Literally.
Ayra goes west,
Dragon goes east,
John goes north,
The show goes south.
the writing*
this dumb comment has already been posted 100 times.
@@Maplelust don't cry over stolen comments 😂
@@busta960 I already did.
@@Maplelust It's neither dumb or wrong though
Holy shit I thought this was from last night's episode. Nope, it's a two years old video that still sums up the whole GoT experience lately. Good call.
effennekappa shows you how early things began to fall apart for the series.
@@Samvisualarts I think most ppl already noticed it back then but were just too stubborn to admit it. I know I was. I noticed all of this before...hell I've noticed it even before that (Dorne storyline *wink, wink*) but I just disregarded it because I was seduced by the show from way back in season 1 and just refused to take off my rose-tinted glasses. Well it has been long and rude awakening, but with the s8ep3 I am now finally awake...
@@joekerr9197 I'm on the same boat as you. I was stubborn to admit it years ago.
@@joekerr9197 I noticed it, and have only suffered through season 7 and 8 because I need to see this sinking ship to the end. I know the captains are morons and the sinking is all on them, but I have been on this ship for too long and will bear witness to its literal demise.
Yeah , I saw this when it was uploaded and it suddenly popped up on my recommended. Hmmmmm
the reason why Tyrion, Little finger and Varris are ruined now is simple, they are too smart and for the show writers to write for, all the finer details like growing consequences, geography and time have been lost because the writers are either incentivised to streamline the plot and make it more of a spectacle, sacrificing nuance, or they are just not competent enough
if you see the achivements of DBweiss before GoT you will find nothing. He was a total failure. and Benihoff had just small stuff. the only reason they did a good job is because they inherited money from their parents and had GRRM.
D&D aren’t GRRM. Simple. They don’t have the mind to create the kind of depth, intricacy and world building and complexity that they took from George.
Varys was my favourite character, but for past several seasons, he’s been a mute on display for the sake of it. Utterly dissapointing. That’s only scratching the surface.
While I’m sad to see the show end, I’m happy D&D will finally let go. Here’s to hoping the prequel show will be written by a dedicated, passionate writers room, and not two fanfic writers with zero experience in the kind of epic that GoT should have ended being.
@Salmon David Benioff is an incompetent hack writer. He is an arrogant fool who refuses to let any other writer help with his work and it's why he will be remembered as a failure. Also, he needs to lay off the sauce, apparently he has a drinking problem to boot.
@Salmon nuh, they just sucked for real, ruined so many great characters
*Varys
It really feels to me like Jon (Aegon) can't die, i'm not even worried about it anymore. That's what makes it so boring. The first seasons, NO ONE was safe. Now it feels like it's a CGI fiesta with bad plots.
uwotm8 Jon did get raised from the dead, hardly going to resurrect him just to kill him off again, regardless of the fact that he is dumb and puts himself at risk constantly.
After all it is a fantasy world where destiny and prophecies are taken seriously- plot armour for characters like Jon shouldn't be taken off to make it more real for viewers like yourself
John Smith - That "No Plot Armour" is a large part of what made the first 4-5 seasons so exciting for many viewers. If a character behaved stupidly, they usually paid the price.
Since Jon's resurrection he has CONSTANTLY been doing stupid things and living to tell the tale.
Yup. At this point there aren't a lot of characters I'm worried about. I could see them killing Brienne, the hound, tormund and a few other minor guys, but I feel like Jon, Dany, Tyrion, the stark kids, and heck even Jaime are super safe.
Oh and I guess Theon is too because he's becoming a noble hero. Like we're just supposed to forget that he ruined Winterfell and slaughtered innocent kids to make his people like him.
I am still convinced that Arya kills Jon in the end. There is quite a bit of book proof of this. In the show, I don't know.
+Amin Esmailzadeh What you describe is not plot armor. That's GRRM creating false protagonists. Those characters still paid for their stupidity, or lack of experience.
In fact, what you describe is the *opposite* of plot armor.
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2017: Agree, the writing got pretty bad.
2019: LOL, we knew nothing back then
What was shit has become paradise
The show has convinced me to go and read the books because I need George's ending to this story
You'll never get it.
At the rate George is going, he won't be the one writing the ending...
Just gotta hope he pulls it off then
Ryan Ofc he will, people just like being dicks on the internet.
The most over-rated author in literary history. Don't expect him to "save" anything.
Oh, we like this actor or actress so lets change everything important about their behavior to keep them around. My biggest GOT pet peeve.
Yeah, the convenience is really unflattering. GoT prided itself on killing characters who made the wrong steps, now it's just about piss-takes and fake-deaths and "gotcha!" moments.
Agreed.
that explains the entire dornish storyline they were fans of Indira Varma and made the whole plot revolve around her and got rid of Arianne Martell and everything interesting and we were left with "bad pussy"
Similarly, they liked Stephen Dillane's "f**k the world" face, so they changed his storyline to put him in as many situations as they could where he'd be disappointed and show this off. Dillane even said in an interview that he had no idea why his character did the things he did. Benioff and Weiss don't seem to think about things in terms of in-world motivations and consequences; They only think "I want to feature this actor more" and "wouldn't it be crazy if ___ happened!"
Aishyo Joy "Hiss with me Sisters!"
I guess we will watch this video every monday until the series end. Episode 3 and 4 sealed the fate of the show, unfortunetly for worse.
Gabriel Garotti very disappointed ☹️ but we have to finish what we started. Hope the books would be great 👍🏾
The books will be so much better so I guess we still have that to look forward to...
Maybe the show gets a reboot in 15 years.
@@kingjoffrey3732 I'm honestly hoping for an animated adaptation that can cover everything in the books. There was so much the show left out for budget reasons.
@@telltellyn Yeah, that's sounds even better because the wait wouldn't be too long. What kind of animation aestetic do you have in mind? Like Family Guy, South Park or an anime? :D
S7: Titanic sinks
S8: Titanic forgot how to sink, so it actually didnt sink. Then Euron comes and 3 shots it.
@algogy S1 < S2 < S3 < S4 > S5 < S6 >> S7 >>>>> S8
@@Xanthas998 exactly
The drop in quality since they no longer have GRRM's writing propping them up is really noticeable.
Minnie Mouse or maybe it's just because it's kind of harder to wrap up the several story lines and characters thrown on them by GRRM(who clearly had no end sight for all of them) as the series reaches its climax.
Why do you think GRRM is taking so long to finish W.O.W?
+John Smith
This would be relevant if the story in the show wasn't an extremely dumbed down version of the book. The show has nowhere near as much complexities and story threads as the book. So they don't have the same excuse that GRRM has.
This is an issue of Dan and David being bad writers.
John Doe I guess we'll have to wait and see.
If GRRM had some master plan on how to finish, for example, Littlefinger's story, I think he would have told D and D rather than let them dispatch the character in the way they did.
A lot of the bad writing mistakes will probably pop up in the books as well. Obviously Martin's won't be as bad since he created the story and has had a general idea of how things would pan out in his head since the start, but I think it's unfair to blame everything on D and D
+John Smith
The problem with that is that the show adapted some things in its own ways by changing up what characters are doing and where they are. This turns into a butterfly effect where after a couple of seasons of all these changes and divergences, the characters in the book and the characters in the show have such vastly different arcs that the storyline of one can't be adapted into the other anymore. I mean this especially for supporting/minor characters like Littlefinger.
The only real thing that I can see GRRM being able to give them is a general path from point A to point B with general paths for main characters like Jon/Dany/Tyrion with D&D then figuring out the journey. And honestly, this isn't as bad as it sounds considering the show is significantly less layered in complexities than the books, which would mean that writing that journey would be easier.
What makes me think D&D are bad writers is how God awful and nonsensical they managed to make that journey. I didn't expect a masterpiece story, not because of D&D, but because it's an adaptation from book to tv. But what I did expect was for the show to keep its standards. I expected characters to act in a way that makes sense and I expected the general realism present in the earlier seasons to also remain.
Which is why I think D&D are garbage writers. They failed on all those fronts. It's like they're completely ignorant of what made Game of Thrones so successful.
In the behind the scenes of the awful episode s07e06 there is a moment when some of the D's says: 'We always wanted to make a zombie bear. Oh my god how cool that would be. But every season we couldn't because our budget wasn't big enough. And now we were finally able to do THE ZOMBIE BEAR'. Which clearly shows how much they care about doing things that 'look cool' on the screen. Imo that's exactly the reason why the story is so daft in the last few seasons. They are focusing on 'doing cool stuff on the screen' instead of writing a complex and clever story. And for me - action scenes are not the reason I loved the GoT. It's the mindgames and cleverness. A whole lot of moral dilemmas, complexity of 'the right choice' and others. The deconstruction of the most common fantasy tropes. And what do we have now? The most common fantasy tropes. Yay.
> goes of to take a zombie-to-go
> gets overrun
> Dany pls halp
> Dany; brb killing stuff lol
> burns dead
> Jon; lol let's fight a bit more rather than escape
> dragon gets mlg noscoped by a tooth pick 'cos Jon is a dick
> oh shi-
> almost dies
>Dany; you killed my child... luv of mi life
Wtf did i watch?
'cos Jon is a dick HAHHAAHAHAAHAA luv of mi life
How did you get your hands on D&D's actual script?!
That episode made no sense. Even if we accept that her dragon can fly so quickly that it could get to the wall and find them in time (which is an incredible stretch), how in the world did the RAVEN that Gendry sent get to dragonstone island in enough time?
Ravens aren't phones! It's not an instant message!
I think Gendry just ran THAT fast. After all, he did leave his massive hammer for that purpose. It all adds up, I'm a scientist.
This could have been solved so easily by having one of the nameless expendable Brothers just be in trouble a bit away from the group. Now it looks like Jon just wanted to up his K/D ratio some more...
And you thought season 7 was bad 😂
It was.
😂😂😂😅😅😅 poor character arcs
Albert thought the same thing😂
@Ze TheGame i second that
I didn't but damn Season 8 is a doozy
Expectations - SUBVERTED! You ordered a TENDERLOIN but got a SALAD! Isn't that GREAT!?
u ordered the steak at a vegan bar and got a salad lol! Paradigm shift buddy.
@Hollow Shell No you are just too hollow and empty to understand.
Just pretend that the salad is a steak.
There that fixed it.
@Hollow Shell Well let's take it point by point shall we? Anything against Christianity is great, anything against the patriarchy is amazing and anything against wester culture is wonderful. If somebody jumps to its defence they are somehow disgusting and deserving of ridicule as they are not deserving of a defence against the corrosive forces eroding them away.
That the Jews they are always the victims
It hurts even more when you hear George R.R Martin saying "there's enough material for 13 seasons", The pacing of the 5th book alone is just perfect for 2 seasons.
Isn't the fifth book not good?
@@spencermalley10 Some people really hate book 4 and 5 because they aren't as fast paced and each only has half the main characters (they're basically two halves of one giant novel). But they're incredible books which are definitely more loved than hated, and they'll be appreciated much more once all their set ups are paid off in the next two books (assuming they come out). Much like the book 1 and 2, there's a lot of set up for the future.
@@spencermalley10 Sure, if you jump on the bandwagon.
I'm late. I've lost my love for the show with S08E03. So sad. Can't believe I was blind the whole season 7.
I knew the show was doomed, as soon as Stannis' storyline started going down the tube.
Steel*Faith his story also had premature ending with pretty much no consequences. I suppose that might be the moment everything rolled down the hill.
@@BBlueu2 everyone will miss that little mannis
Battle for winterfell was the best episode yet.
Upon reading that Great name my knee immidietly bent down with almost supernatural force
Man, you really spoiled it for me.
I was really looking forward to watch Titanic.
Underrated comment😂😂
Kate Winslet dies at the end
Thanos snaps half of the titanics population,no wonder why there were so few surivors
J.K.Rowling revealed that Titanic and Iceberg had an incredibly intense sexual relationship
Spoiler: the penetration was too deep
@@heamees4822 haha lol best one
Lost: I managed to disapppoint my entire audience with my resolution.
GoT: Hold my beer!
It's like they do it on purpose just to fuck with us. "Do you like that, Do you really love it? Does it bring you lots of pleasure? Yes? Well we're gonna gangrape it to death"
orbitalsummer man Lost was so god damn long I rewatched it 3 times and still never got to the ending
Lol Lost is used to be my major disappointment before GoT
The 100: Hold mine too.
HIMYM: Hold my blue French horn.
the show has gone from a multidimensional masterpiece to a one dimensional blockbuster
this
For one season. Let's see what 8 brings us. Could have just been a down season. You guys need to relax. One season doesn't cancel out 6 good ones
@@Edd_LShore That's where the story is headed anyway. It's been heading this way since the first season. Sorry if people don't like it but it's not a never-ending story. The books will head this way too. The fact that people are suprised by this is more shocking than season 7 being rushed. Yeah it sucks tbe political games and in fighting is not around as much, but all things come to and end to reach the true end. Everyone will see this when the next book comes out.
The difference is the books have a million pages to fit things inbetween. A show does not. That's what people refuse to understand. You can fill a show with these things leading to an end, but you can't keep inserting them at the big end. This show had 6 amazing to very good seasons. As I said, one rushed season 7 doesn't cancel that out nor does it mean 8 will suck.
@@Edd_LShore Season 7 was rushed. Hands down. They knew it too and went ahead anyway. No excuse. I don't think they realized just how bad until it was on screen though. And I think they'll learn from it. So I'm not giving them a pass there but I think they toll 2 years for season 8 for reason. To get it right after what they did with 7.
Whats pissing me off is people saying it's been shit since GRRM left. Or that the show has turned into shit. One frigging season doesn't turn a show into crap. I can't stand that stuff about how it's turned into fan fiction or Marval. Which is hilarious btw considering the worst of GOT is written better than a Marval movie.
Or how about how D&D can't write and are clowns? Oh really? So seasons 1-6 were just shit then? People do realize they had to adapt the books right? And they do realize how hard that is and that these guys knocked it out of the park. I mean the show is amazing from top to bottom. Never been anything like it. And people call them morons. These fans come off like fucking spoiled brats or entitled morons who think they're smarter than they are.
These guy adapted the first 4 seasons brilliantly. They also added and wrote the hound chicken scene. The Arya cup bearer scenes. Hardhome played out in screen. And changed other things for the better.
Then they did season 5, which is very dark and underrated minus Dorne, and season 6 which imo is one of the best seasons. They knew the direction they were going that season and crushed it.
Were they perfect? No, but no one is nor is going to be with a show of this magnitude. All I think is how silly this show could have been in someone else's hands. I mean it could have been absolutely terrible. And meanwhile we get something close to a masterpiece and people say it went to shit because of one rushed season and call the runners morons
It gets old man. Really fast. I mean here is a video talking about it. How bad it is. Like wtf? One season does not cancel out 6 previous ones. Nor does it mean the show has become anything. Season 8 could be absolutely brilliant and make everyone forget about season 7. Will that still mean the show has become fan fiction? Nope. People will call it a transition season or something. Just annoying.
BTW, the story is headed this way as anyway. I've said before and everyone will realize that when the book comes out. I'm sure they'll make an excuse for GRRM though. Who has also written some shit at times btw.
The show was never going to be the same after all the deaths. It was never going to be the same once it got serious about the White Walkers. And the books won't be either. The difference is GRRM takes frigging decades to write his books, and they're books, and these guys have a year to do it and it's a show.
Like to the people complaining about it turning to everyone vs the Walkers, where have you been for the previous 6 seasons prior to 7? They've been hinting at it since season 1. The story can't go on forever. Don't take it out on the show because you're pissed that it's ending.
@@Edd_LShore Yes it is. At least you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. Hard to even talk to anyone online. Morons and haters everywhere
Coming after S08E03... This holds more true than ever. I'm watching the old seasons concurrently and the differences are nearly unbelievable. I said this last year - when the script leaked and I could not believe it was the real script, because it was too much like fanfiction.
When the S7 leaks happened, I thought for sure D&D were trolling the audience with dummy scripts, because there's no way the writing for such an epic show could be so bad. Turns out the joke was on me.
The episodes now are sad. Like actually sad it gets me mad how bad it is
@@cassanopiano5332
Have you seen the spoilers for the next two episodes? It gets worse. Much worse.
VegasGirl35 I haven’t is it really that bad ? I expected it to get worse n worse but after last episode I wasn’t sure it possibly can, like the whole thing was just terrible
VegasGirl35 and the night king storyline destroyed just gets me so pissed. I honestly plan on finishing at season 5 or 6 and then creating my own ending until George finishes the books. Even then though it gets me so annoyed bc I loved this show so much and there’s nothing like seeing a show bc of the music and everything. The show always drew so much emotion out of me and now I don’t even care what happens
The way GoT is crumbling does make you understand why George R.R. Martin may be taking *so long* to finish ASOIAF. He has the same pressure about breaking stereotypes and tropes while delivering an enjoyable experience and story to close the arcs of all of the characters we know and love (or hate), S7 is an example of why he may want to take his time with it (not to mention now he has the advantage of watching what D&D made and how everyone reacted to it, so he has the chance to avoid making the same mistakes)
"everyone" is a strong word its still a vocal minority. Plus sure its not as amazing anymore but its still the best show by a mile. Also a lot of people with their complaints seem to not understand that its wrapping up. An example of that is when they complain about it being predictable. A lot of that is a good thing it means its paying off stuff instead of pulling trash out of left field that had no lead up just to get reactions.
Neoshenlong Archivo 2008 - 2011 I don't know if he can avoid the same mistakes. I'm always forced to draw parallels between King's "Dark Tower" series and ASOIF. A strong start which turns into a bloated meandering world building journey that is finally completed because he must, but without having given the story any real thought. Maybe if the authors thought more about how they wanted to end the story and how to write it, they wouldn't struggle so much completing their masterpieces.
cooper cody:
By everyone I didn't mean that everyone was complaining, I meant that seeing what D&D are doing with the story allows George to see how everyne reacts, be it a good or a bad reaction, and learn from said reactions. That includes what they liked, what they didn't like, etc.
James Estrada
Well we've known for a while that the story of ASOIAF was already decided, as George R.R. Martin famously told a couple of persons he trusts how it all wraps up in case he dies before finishing the books. So in this case is more about the in-between, not where they arrive but how they get there.
I really don't see this as something like The Dark Tower, I actually see the Dark Tower as the polar opposite of ASoIaF.
King managed to give deep meaning and connections to every event in all seven books, leading to a very satisfying ending with not that much effort, specially because after coming back with Wolves of Calla he just let the story flow, with the very good 3 books in 2 years rhythm.
I fear that unless Martin decides to let the story happen instead of spending hundreds of pages on events and characters that he later kills leaving no development to the world or story whatsoever, ASoIaF won't be able to do what the Dark Tower did.
For example, as much time as was spent developing the life of the servants of the King, I was never satisfied in Dark Tower, because it never felt overexplained and kept you curious for more; on the other hand, we have the atrocious Brienne chapters that slog through hundreds of pages, just to end with nothing ever being achieved, all those chapters serving only the purpose of giving us some three or four descriptions of how people feel about the war and some eighty descriptions of different meals they had along the way. You could cut it down to her leaving with Pod, then being taken by Stoneheart and it would have achieved the exact same story purpose.
I agree 100% No character consistency. A hurried plot. A brilliant show ruined. Heartbreak. And yes season 7 was pathetic and it's only got worse this season.
Thats AFTER, AFTERRRRR, HBO asked Dumbshit and Derpfuck to make 2 10 episode seasons to wrap things up
Here after the most disappointing Episode of game of thrones : (
Same here...
100% agree
Ash 5681 yep. Season 8 episode 2 was amazing. Episode 3 they threw all of Johns characters arc to the trash
@Salmon S8EP2 is the new low. Nothing can be worse than that.
@Salmon Why do we even have three more episodes left? When all they have to do is send Ayra to Kingslanding next episode, have her teleport there the same episode because apparently Ayra can do that now.
someone: *mentions Dorne plot*
me:*cries*
To be fair, Dorne was awful in the books, too.
Some random guy on UA-cam clearly not read those books properly if you think the Dorne plot "was" shit. It's getting better and better and was implied it's already over. D&D's handling of it was an unforgivable travesty
Luke Wilkins Because reading about the inbred lannister girl in a desert is interesting
The Dorne story is just getting started so it's way too early to judge it, the fact that two of the leaked chapters are from Arianne clearly show the plot is gaining momentum and focus. The fact you're just summarising her growing importance to the plot as some inbred lannister girl implies you're missing the point of her chapters
Luke Wilkins I skipped them entirely lol, just talk shite about them any opportunity I have
Fall of House Tyrell was horrible. They were the most loved family with the biggest army and they just conquered Highgarden out of nowhere, people didn't riot over Margaery's death. It was horrible.
Cersei bombed the equivalent of the vatican and killed the queen and several nobles, and no one even cared. We never got to see what Margaery was planning or what the High Sparrow really wanted.
The writing has gotten so lazy.
@@fjall7713 Plenty of people care. The leader and majority of the solders of the faith were killed. And her grandmother attempted to fight against her. The rest of the city switches their allegences like they switch shoes. This is nothing new. They're scared and the rest probably fucking hate her. I agree season 7 was rushed but crying about it as if it cancels out 6 other very good seasons is absolutely ridiculous. As if it's a trend.
Don't forget they told us through 4 seasons that the allience with the Tyrells was necessary to keep Joffrey's and later Tommen's asses on the throne. Looks like Lannisters can do pretty well without them, so i guess Tywin was wrong the whole time! Also, The War Of Five Kings started litteraly because there was a rummor about Joffrey's legitimacy. Now Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne without any rights, after she did massive genocide, and no one cares?
It's not that outrageous like destroying certain characters before killing them, but it's by far one of the biggest plot holes, and it pisses me off that so little people seem to notice it.
Meh. That would be very low on my list of problems with season 7. In the books if House Tyrell goes down it'll be a lot more complex, but I don't think it's half as illogical as the beyond-the-wall or Winterfell plotlines, and it doesn't really undermine any characters like their nonsensical plans. The scene with Olenna and Jaime was one of my favorite this season.
I so agree. If anything, the show wants us to feel bad for the Tarlys, who sided with Cersei despite the fact she killed all House Tyrrell in a horrific way.
When Dany died I didn't care because "that's not her", really didn't feel like her at all.
Arya is not killing Cersei, it's like they forgot what she could do just so that we could have a final and senseless battle with Dany in god mode.
I couldn't say it better! They totally forgot the characters. 😐
That's EXACTLY how I felt. It was surreal to watch one of my favorite characters die and feel nothing because I was straight up incapable of suspending my disbelief and not just see two actors
To y'all saying the past season shows why GRRM is taking so long to finish ASOIAF, that's partially true. It's also that the writers of the show are just not as talented. A lot of random, amateur writers online have come up with characters arcs and ideas for the end of the show that are not only better, but would have been cheaper to film too. The difference is that they remember what made the show great early on, the writing, not expensive undead polar bears.
derp ish Amateur writers? Bwahahaha. Thanks needed that
derp ish true this
Yeah, I'd like to see examples too. Just list a few.
Let's see any one of those vaguely sketched story arcs make it through a room of other writers, much less network notes, and, you know, the million other things between writing a comment and producing 70+ hours of television drama that, by the way, means you're responsible for about $100 million every year that demands return on investment.
So...it's hard therefore it can't be done right or better?
Spoilers for Titanic
Mieka Jansen Out of all the comments that I have read for this video this is hands down the best.
And that Scooby doo episode
Such a shame, I was halfway through the movie and had no idea that was going to happen.
He ruined titanic for me... Looks like i can't ever finish it.
This comment wins. :)
Season 7 just felt like a hollywood movie. Not a grand epic fantasy series
Don't insult Dark Knight like that. it's offensive
Mind backing that up with some constructive criticism?
Way worse than an average hollywood movie. It was just like a mexican soap opera in a high-fantasy and high budget setting.
Exactly... it's the only season that felt this way in my opinion so they might be able to make a comeback in the final season... but I doubt it due to the TERRBILE decisions they made in season 7 and the fact that season 8 is also a short season.
Even worse, GOT was always fucking DESTROYING epic fantasy's conventions, but now... God damn it, this is sad.
When you realize the Titanic is a near perfect metaphor for Game of Thrones... a large and beautiful ship that sailed beautifully until the captain believed nothing could ever happen to his ship and hands it to D&D who get distracted like the two sailors who got distracted by Jack and Rose kissing, resulting in the ship crashing into an iceberg ... if only GGR Martian finished his story first, maybe it wouldn't be so bad today 😞
What were they thinking when they started making the show knowing they would have to finish without GRRM's books? They can't write for shit, look at their past "accomplishments". They should have waited until the books were finished.
What was GRRM thinking when he allowed them to put his books to film knowing they would be coasting without his books and dreaming up their own stories and finale with his characters and reputation?
@@zangiefromanov2563 George said in interviews he gave them plenty of material and the books have like hundreds of pages or they literally could have just have Martin give outlines like what Akira toriyama did with dragon ball super.
GGRM is unable to finish his stories 🙍🙍🙍
Guess what.
Season 8 literally premiered on April 14, the same day the Titanic struck the iceberg and began to sink. Holy shit.
It's more like the Titanic in that both GoT and the Titanic were engineered and (largely) made in Belfast, both of which sank because the man/men at the helm wanted to get to the end as fast as possible.
As someone that read the books, how they killed off the night king seriously made me cringe.
Doesn't matter when George eventually finishes his work people still complain that's just how it is now
@Salmon Yeah but the whole white walker stuff is being hyped to be the most important thing. Sure as fuck wouldn´t be Arya materializing out of oxygen to stab the entire series plot in the gut.
Thanks for telling us you read the books now I know you’re really smart and have a big dick
People defending the writing by saying "still one of the best shows ever" or whatever are just looking at the show as a whole... If the start of the show had the writing from this season, do you really think it would've made it this big? No one would fucking know what Game of Thrones is
Garrett Baratheon EXACTLY
*If the start of the show had the writing from this season, do you really think it would've made it this big? No one would fucking know what Game of Thrones is*
The people reading the books (the ACTUAL material) would. It IS a bestseller after all.
Many of them did...it's subjective.
Ackshually that imaginary show would be The Room: a TV Show. It would probably be a well known meme by now and everybody (except the studio's money) would be happy about it
they went from a character driven story to a plot driven story. no one's choices, actions, or beliefs were in character, all because the writers just wanted to rush the story along. it sucks because the plot leaks made it seem like season 7 would be the most exciting season yet, and it would have been had the writers followed martin's approach. hopefully these issues won't be present in the final season
I completely agree, but sadly I don't see it getting better. You can immediately see the transition when they run out of source material. The farther away from GRRs work they get, the worse it gets. All the cliche's, the lazy manufactured drama, the out of character actions (ie. plot driven as opposed to character driven), immediately popped out of the wood work. I swear they have some sort of 'lazy screenwriter class' that every Hollywood screen writer is force to take, because they all seem to do the same boring crap.
I think the most obvious, and depressing part, was watching what they did to the clever/smart characters like Tyrion, Varas, or Baelish. In previous seasons (in particular 1-4) They had long interesting talks, constantly testing and probing each other, with layers, competing with each other in words. It was amazing, and so different and refreshing. Its completely lost. Tyrion's dialog is now laughably bad, Varas has all but disappeared from the show getting less screen time than most extras, and Baelish killed off without even an explanation or hint to his larger plan. From the beginning his plan was to somehow win the Iron Throne (remember the absolutely awesome 'chaos is a ladder speech'), and after 7 seasons we don't even get a conclusion, just 'sorry you're dead now'. Are you kidding me!!??
Katherine Elliott You REALLY nailed it!!
Absolutely spot on! Varys and Baylish were two of THE most fascinating characters in the story! During the last two seasons they were ignored almost completely in favor of splashy CGI intended to attract "fans" who could give a shit about a coherent plot and character continuation.
It was a soap opera and forgot that the power of soap is characterisation and not plot.
Dude, wait till season 8 episode 5. Character arcs go flying out the window like there's no tomorrow.
you mean like bran.
You know what I miss? The dialogues. Man, they were the best. That's game of thrones, the characthers had so much depth. Especially those so interesting like Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger and Jaime. It was genius. There was no black and white, good or bad. It's more complex than that. Now they became so... shallow. And also always had a pause to contemplate the things that happened, not only characther's contemplation but ours too and this was the time for dialogues to shine. And I don't think it's a problem to do that now bc it has less episodes, cause there were a lot of "useless" stuff that didn't added anything for characther development or plot. What was that fight between Arya and Sansa?! I like the idea of them fighting and realizing they've changed but for god's sake, it was so poorly executed. Bassically before you didn't realized where the story would go cause immerses you with the screenwriting, now they say some non-sense and you understand why and where the writers wanna go with it. Sometimes the pace seems so slow and exhausting and other times it's so fast and inconsequent that you don't even know what is happening. GOT will still be my favorite TV show, but it's sad to see the quality of something so amazing go to something so mediocre.
I really feel what your saying, I pretty much feel the same BUT I think what alot of fans seem to forget about this season and the upcoming one is that there are no more dialogs, no more politics, its just about the war against the night king and cercie. i do think that they could have done it way better but, the moment that they killed off littlefinger, im sure we all knew that from now on everything is different.
I really hope they will do stuff a bit different in the 8th season.
but yeah to me GOT is still the best show ever created, ive never seen a single show that makes so much people exited. it became a culture.
Don't forget Tywin Lanister. Constantly doing evil at first sight, but for totally rational reasons when you dig deep. It took his death for me to realize it.
halneufmille yep, honestly miss having him as a character on the show
Almost all the best dialogues or epic lines from previous seasons came from books
Tyrion's lines are so bad OMG I've started to hate his character
I definitely agree with the lack of consequences. The shock value of GoT has been gone for a while now. We KNOW John Snow will be fine, at least until the absolute finale when it really doesn't matter whether he lives or dies or not. We KNEW he'd survive being pulled into the frozen lake. We KNEW Jamie Lannister would survive falling into the sea with FULL PLATE ARMOUR on. We KNOW Danearys will survive and become Queen eventually. Where is the intrigue now? Where is the risk taking as far as writing goes? Watch the Red Wedding episode and watch a Season 7 episode right after. Different show entirely, right?
Doryun it’s because they killed off everyone else. They can’t get away with casual murder anymore or the audience will have no characters to care about, lol
This is exactly how I feel and my only real gripe about the show's direction.
I felt zero tension the entire season because I knew everyone would be totally fine. I knew that they weren't going to kill off Jon Snow by having him drown in a fucking lake one season before the series ends so I just didn't care about anything that was happening in that situation.
They've reached Marvel level of tension and danger. 75 undead dragons could dive out of the sky at Danny and I wouldn't hesitate to go take a piss because I know she's going to magically be fine somehow
A lot of that is true of the Books. Once i figured who Jon was I knew he wouldn't die. Danearys had so much plot armour it was visible from space. I got 3/4s of the way through Storm of Swords and gave up. I may read it all once GRR finally finishes the books but until then... On Littlefinger, I thought he had to die. Events were out of his control, he was to compromised, so if he didn't get it by then it would have been stupid.
Lack of consequence doesn't equal shock value, Daenery's doesn't need to die as long as she doesn't go full mad queen, she's been evolving accordingly to her situation:
Sold for an army? she creates a title for herself and takes the army to get her kingdom back!
As for Jon I do agree he's been given a few passes, the fact that he can't lie because he's just that moral would get him killed in the previous seasons no doubt, it's why Ned and Rob died, their code is meaningless in the game of thrones and they've been braking this rule with Jon a lot. anyways, long story short, Jon deserves to die.
TheBossBros73 night king*
GREAT ANALOGY WITH TITANIC!
Littlefinger: "And I would have gotten away with it too, meddling kids!"
The show died the moment they ran out of book story to adapt, it's sad.
It's almost asif they should have stopped adapting books whe the books ran out. :-P
Well the final book is about season 5... as far as I’m concerned, season 6 was LIT AF
George said there were resources that could atleast last 10 seasons..
@@iblamelance5350 Actually not quite...yes there are, as of now, 5 out of 7 books released, but quite a lot of content was cut, which was why George had said there was enough for at least 10, 13 seasons. In particular, AFFC and ADWD, though material from the earlier books was also cut. I've just started reading the books, but I've heard, in the case of AFFC or ADWD (don't remember the specific one this was attributed to), basically a whopping half of the book just wasn't adapted.
They didn't run out of source material
The Red Wedding was still the pinnacle of the show. Perfectly encapsulates the way it happens in the story, with even the perfect inclusion of the moment when Catelyn realizes that Roose is wearing full armor. Almost spit out my coffee once I realized what that meant upon reading it in the book, and i think the show nailed that moment and underscored it perfectly with The National's sorrowful rendition of The Rains of Castamere. Never had such an emphatic moment from a television show, it felt as if the world had come crashing down. Of course, all of the parts of the show that were book based came out impeccable, but now im just ranting. Great video lmao
That's because the books are great and the show became absolute shit once it started deviating from the source material.
Disagree. Season 4 is the best season.
@@hanburgundy4317 no
I started binge watching GoT after season 3 wrapped. Ned’s death made me realize this was a very different kind of show. After the Red Wedding, I immediately made the decision to read the books. If the show was this good, imagine what I was missing there.
It is difficult to see what has become of the show this season. Oddly the effect is multiplied due to the fact that Endgame, in 3 hours, gave a master class on how to properly wrap up 10 years of storytelling.
Oh man, we knew it would be bad but no one saw s08e03 coming... They managed to ruin the story completely
>Rhaegar and Lyanna trying to sire the prince that was promised
>Ned and Catelyn: 'Hold our wine noobs'
S8ep3: IM A BAD BITCH
S8ep4: HOLD MY DRINK
Episode 4 just toped the list of bad episodes. Guess we got another case of expectations being subverted - nobody expected episode 4 to be as bad but writers had an ace up their sleeve to dissapoint viewers.
@@MALIK-sx2qq Hold my Starbucks.
@@venkyratnam you're so fuckin dramatic stfu
The lack of consequences was huge and it began from the very first episode of the season.
Cersei blew up the Great Sept of Baelor (the equivalent of the Vatican) and no one cared. The small folk who were shown to be extremely religious didn't have a negative reaction to their Church being destroyed?
Not to mention the fact that Jaime's reaction was disappointing considering Cersei did what the Mad King planned to do, just on a smaller scale. The wight hunt was also manufactured to convince Cersei even though she was losing and they didn't need her. I love Cersei and think she's a compelling character but it annoyed me that the writers seemed to be doing everything they could to keep her alive for the final season.
Rebekah M lack of consequences are insane. The Iron Islands are doing...what right now? Yara is a prisoner, Theon is technically nowhere near them and Euron is a crazy uncle who doesn't want independence but wants to ally himself with Cersei and just left to another continent without warning. What even is going there?
Dorne is even worse. The Sand Snakes and Elia killed the crowned prince, his heir, and a princess meant to marry the heir, then declared themselves rulers without a peep from the common people and are now all either dead, imprisoned, or dying.
WHO THE HELL IS RUNNING DORNE RIGHT NOW? What's going on with them?!
plus Cersei's had a wight next to her since qyburn made franken-mountain. they were basically saying "look! theres more of your bodyguard, but they eat ppl"
CreepyPasta Al Dente I cannot believe that Tyrion hatched a plan that relied on Cersei Lannister being a reasonable human being, despite 6 seasons of evidence to the contrary. Did anyone in the audience actually think for a second that Cersei would cease hostilities and help? And why the hell are we expected to buy that Tyrion, the brother she tried to murder, would think that's something she would do???
mme.lolabelle That annoyed me as well. Tyrion knows Cersei better than anyone, including Jaime. He should have been opposing that plan, not suggesting it.
Rebekah M yeah we are past the books so the writers do not have the balls to kill of characters. they follow typical movie cliches with no regard to logic. they are replacing important exposition scenes and dialog for more epic dragon scenes so the average bandwagon viewer can be satisfied. its like a good film which strengths doesnt come from action but instead from dialog and the inner conflict turns into transformers. sad to see but im way to invested in this world to not see it through the end.
After ep 5,my wife is angry at how the characters all did crazy out of character turns... Me, in contrast, yeah... They beat the excitement out of me... Now I just want to see how it ends... Because we've come this far
@Samurai Jack
Most of us are probably in the no camp.
Thank you for the Scooby-Doo reference. I felt like the character of Little Fingers last words should have been " .... and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids." LOL. 😆
i've been SO f***ing salty about the littlefinger plot this season. he was undeniably one of the smartest characters on the show but d&d have progressively dumbed him down in order to kill him off in the most fanservice-y way possible.
LF's death makes perfect sense. He finally calculated incorrectly and it got him.
He was arguably the single most important character in the show, and he got one of the dumbest and most anti-climactic deaths in the series.
Unfortunately I've been salty about most of this season never been so fucking disappointed
His death was always going to be anti-climactic. Nothing else would've made sense for him.
Also, I don't remember him being dumbed down in the show at all. He miscalculated due to not knowing the full extent of Brandon's superpowers and paid the price.
Yes to all of this
S8E4 is the peak of the declining so far. I bet the things will get worse and worse till the end of the show. This show deserves a re-make after the season 4.
They might as well animate a new series. No worries about actors and logistics or huge budgets. And you can be as faithful as you want.
To be honest i thought season 5 and 6 was pretty good
oisin sammon Same
Season 5 and 6 were pretty solid and still better than most of the other tv shows . It needs a reboot from ep 2 of S8
welp, i can confidently say that S8E4 was the worst episode of the season... with S8E3 being second worst of course
sam should have at least died in battle of winterfell i mean... wtf?!
I would have enjoyed watching the wildlings spit roasting that piggy around a campfire a few seasons back.
Zangief Romanov I’m not gonna lie that made me not able to go to sleep for twelve hours.
Of course, he had no battle experience! If Sam died, I would be sad, but at least was more realistic.
Who else is watching this after s08e03?
This was one of if not the most disappointing episode in terms of writing. God! None of the clever writing/storytelling of the first few seasons I fell in love with.
There will always be people who dislike the show, not a surprise.
@@natrix9651 The show is pretty much meme worthy at this point, relying entirely upon production value and no clever writing
@@natrix9651 cause its laughably bad rn, the only ones liking it are the people that gives 0 fucks to plot and just want to see flashy cgi and cringy romance, its worse than fanfiction
Maybe for a contemplation, as suggested by the video
"Too familiar to be meaningful" - This phrase nails is on the head so simply yet so profoundly.
What does it even mean? If anything,season 7 was not similar to its predecessors at all and that's what bother people. There is no familiarity in that.
1. Kill Bronn.
The loot train attack is awesome but there's no real price paid on either side. I think Bronn should die because 1) the events would feel like they had actual weight, and there's too many fake deaths 2) his demise would mark the end of the light-hearted fun times of GoT and 3) It would be a great turning point for Tyrion, who should have started the season full of anger and been tempered by the death of his friend.
2. Capture Jamie
Stakes and consequences used to be so central in GoT, so when Jamie decides to ride at a dragon it should result in him being captured at the very least. He could have the same scenes with Tyrion but he's in chains, and coming face to face with Daenerys would mean confronting his past, and cause him to alter his present.
3. Fix Tyrion's Dumb Plan
Going north of the wall never made sense. They wanted the Night King to get a dragon and there are better ways of doing it. The point of the plan is to convince Cersei, but instead the point should have been to convince Daenerys. She makes a deal with Jon - "I'll burn these frost ghosts of yours and you bend the knee". She has good reasons to be over-confident and dragon-fire has solved all her problems in the past. So they fly north on a dragon and get shot down. This way, Daenerys' over-confidence is the reason her dragon dies, and she's forced to face her own mortality. It would give her more of an arc and than just falling for Jon Snow faster than Viserion fell into the ice.
I'm working on a video on this very topic and I'd be interested in your opinions on these possible “solutions”. Thanks for reading my long-ass comment, and I love your channel, it's an inspiration!
EDIT: For anyone interested, I finished the video! ua-cam.com/video/T3g9ONrwWHo/v-deo.html
All three sound... obvious in retrospect. I actually don't understand why they didn't go somewhat in this direction.
Maybe not with the capturing of Jamie, because Daenerys would want to kill him (she doesn't like prisoners apparently). Although this could play with the fact that Tyrion would rally against it a lot, maybe losing faith in his Queen or something like "if you kill him, you have to kill me too".
Dunno, number 3 sounds way more logical as well.
I could have forgiven all of those if they had killed Tyrion. No matter how charismatic the actor is, the character has been pretty much useless since season 2.
@johnie102 Yes, she may want to kill him but they already introduced the possibility that Tyrion is going soft on his own family so they should at least take that Tyrion/Dany conflict to its logical conclusion. In this case Tyrion would be right that Jamie is too valuable to kill, but Dany would also be right to question his motives. Either way I feel they could have done something interesting with it.
@tbird81 Thanks! I had this whole section on Littlefinger that I'm probably going to have to cut because the video was already way too long -- but the short version is that I agree with what you're saying haha...
@Ce Ilhuicamina Absolutely, though I still enjoyed Tyrion a whole lot up to and including his trial. I feel there's a lot more you could be doing with him, and instead he's just kinda put into the role of telling Dany to do whatever it is she does not want.
This guy saw it coming.
titanic montage was great.
"Well, well. If it isn't our friend... Lord Baelish."
I surmise the people in the freezing waters grasping or any hope of salvation are the remaining audience off the show.
As much as I agree with the author of this video, the popularity of the show only increased this season. Each episode setting viewing records. I don't see this popularity waning the final season.
Yun Kang It's not bad enough to stop watching.
The audience is so invested now, they want to know the end. I didn't really love this season, but I still watched it. And I sure as hell will still watch the last season, even if it is a train wreck
PoisonTheOgres At least it's NOWHERE near as lost as 'Lost' became near the end. And then they still f***ed the viewers by lying and saying the island wasn't purgatory, and IT WAS. I'm still gonna spit in JJ Abrams hair when I see him over that.
I think the root of the problem especially lies in Beyond the Wall. Half of that crew should've died. The mission was stupid and they should've paid the price. That would've worked. Don't kill off Jon Snow, but maybe kill off the eyepatch guy, maybe even Tormund. I really thought Jorah would die too, and in fact, he should've. Also it would've been goddamn devastating had Jaimie been stabbed by the Mountain in the finale.
They did lose like 4-5 people and a dragon. I like how the op says no consequences and shows the scene with jon in the water even though jon's mistake basically caused one of the dragons to be killed + giving the night king his own dragon now.
Yes, but that's a very impersonal consequence. Was it sad to see the dragon go? Yes. Was it really predictable? Also yes. None of the people who died had any emotional impact in their deaths. They were obvious, and you could see it coming from a mile away, which is not how GoT should work. And it's not really Jon's mistake anyway, since it was out-of-character stupid for Tyrion to come up with that plan in the first place, and it makes no logical sense that Dany would actually ride out there, risking all of her dragons to save Jon, just so they could set up a romance for the last episode. It's not the number of deaths, it's the quality of them. The surprise death was kind of a staple of old GoT but now they can't kill off anybody important. Even Littlefinger's demise, while I enjoyed it, came at the end of a season where he'd literally had nothing to do, and had basically been reduced to a cartoon villain.
Helldemon those people who died were all nameless trying to say those people had any impact like ned stark is silly.
Helldemon, Jon's mistake had no consequence for him personally but got a dragon killed stupidly -- seems like its more of a consequence for Danaerys to be honest. Jon surviving unscathed was the problem. There was no major consequence for him. Just like when bronn magically survived the line of attack from a Dragon Twice completely unharmed... By Jumping away....TWICE... LOL wtf.
Its incredible how perfectly you manged to describe how i feel about the show after the 7th season. I dont hate the show, i just care much less about it now. This is the first time a season ended and i didnt really care about the next one or when its coming. I'll stil probably watch it out of, as you say, sense of obligation and completion but....i just dont really care anymore. Sad.
fuck ur "obligation'. just stop watching it
gf gf by the time next season comes out my level of intrest will drop so low that i probably wont.
That's how how i felt last season. Cersei just solving all her problems by killing everyone, even her son commits suicide becouse the writers don't know what to do with him. Arya just showing up out of the blue and easely kills the Freys, just to end another storyline quickly. I don't even know what the people of Dorne are thinking. I haven't watched the recent season yet becouse of this. All these easy kills, just to wrap up storylines. It's too obvious, you can always tell when the writers don't know what to do with the characters and just kills them off.
I completly agree.
I cringed so much after watching all those shite and i regreted it. Arya goes toe to toe with Brienne, Dany made some cliche speech to impress Jon. Varys and LF are 2 biggest major players and with their masterminds, 1 is killed off and 1 became a submissive servant ... The conversation has no depth and full of obvious contents, intellectual characters technically doing nothing. Now the show has basically turned into some kind of cheap chinese sitcom write their plots on for dumb watchers to satisfy their needs for action, good guys vs bad guys cliches. Total disaster
No idea why people think the writing is only bad now, in season 8. It’s been poor for many seasons.
Movie Trialers last good season was 5
Season 1 to 4 was great, 5 and 6 were mix of good and bad, season 7 was terrible but season 8 is just the absolute shitshow. With the exception of stannis, I do not remember character assassination like with daenerys, while others would be dumb in previous seasons, they were not that dumb like in season 8. While they were some nonsensical shit, they were nowhere near as much as in season 8.
I still had hope they could tie it together. Yeah it stopped being amazingly good, but I was like "Maybe theres something I'm missing. Maybe I just forgot an important piece" And then you realize nope, it's just dumb.
I pretty much agree with everything here and I am really glad you made this video. The show was going downhill in 5 and 6 but is completely unrecognizable now, everything happens to make the typical braindead viewer happy. Jon and Danny get together, a dragon kicks ass, a battle happens, people cheer.
H3Vtux I actually like season 6, just saying.
I still love the show, but it does feel a bit too much like fanfic at times lately. I'm hoping the last season isn't so cute and cuddly. And I really hope GRRM steps in. I hope they take their time and let the story unfold and do what Game of Thrones is famous for, sticking to the plot even if it hurts.
Season 5 was really good actually, compared to this season. Season 6 is kinda where plot armor seemingly took over, like Arya surviving the fight with the faceless woman and how the faceless men were more than happy to just let her leave, I didnt call that a plot hole a year ago because I thought the issue would be revisited but after watching this season and seeing how fast they're racing toward the end, I cant imagine them going back to resolve that.
Typical braindead viewer? WTF is that brainless twat
you're all just pretentious arse holes :p
At the end of season 4 Kit Harrington spoke about the battle of the wall and how Jon wins against the magnar of the Thenns by spitting him in the face to distract him, saying it was a turning point for the character, being honourable only gets you dead, sometimes you need to fight dirty. A revelation that never comes up again. All future episodes he is back to being painfully honourable all the way up to, not hiding his allegiance to Dany when they speak with Cersei. Surely he's learned better than that by now!
@Drizzy - Nah that's not what he meant. He said that he hoped that unlike Ned this would keep Jon alive. Ned didn't die because he fought honourably in hand to hand combat.
@korrok Did you miss that part when Jon lied to Ygritte and the Wildlings to protect the realm? When you're unable to lie to evil people to save the entire world from becoming zombies then you're just stupid, not honorable.
Hi where did you watched that?
@korrok But this is the essence of GoT. The world is not black and white, and it's certainly not decent, honest or honourable. That is one of the key themes in GRRM's writings (which are loosely based off REAL medieval history).
Yea GRRM really should've told the producers of the show how the characters arcs should go.
*Spoiler*
The Romance between Jon and Daenerys was the most pathetic moment of the whole fucking series. It had the plot depth of a 13-year old's homework.
Yes, and me and my whole family were able to predict it since Season 5, since Jon died. Still it didn't even progress slowly throughout Season 7, it was just Jon and Dany handling business while everyone around her kept saying how Jon was staring at her, and literally mentioning that Jon was looking at her breasts. It was just so fucking stupid how they fell in love, Jon was infatuated which i can understand, but Dany just... Idk she just liked him lol, made no sense.
What this guy said
yet grrm told them this is what he wants. the season was delayed 3 months and filming started 2 months earlier, you guys are clown, the season was breathtakingly good.
mazz baz
maybe.... he was wrong, oh wait, better yet, he could do it better. It doesn’t matter if that’s ‘what he wanted’ it was still executed like shit.
Breathtakingly good?
You must be a smoker!
To me GOT seasons 7 and 8 never came out. There was, however, some weird fan-fiction movie made by people I dont know that was ok (for fan fiction, that is).
Eliphas_CatDaddy
Exactly how I'm choosing to see this. There were a few great moments but 7 and 8 are not canon.
Yes, 7 & 8 are (largely) terrible. Much fan fiction I've seen in advance is much better written.
The writing started going downhill when David and Dan started ignoring George's wishes for the show going forward. I still can't believe they left out the Lady Stoneheart storyline when George specifically said to include it in the show. I can't think of a better storyline about revenge and it's consequences. Not to mention it is a defining story arc for both Jaime and Brienne. Two very well liked characters in the show.
DirtyDinner24 when did he say it? I wish Martin says: this show is shit now out loud
Rebirth is an essential element of the plot. Martin said it himself. Take it up with him. I guarantee effects of Jon's rebirth on his own person and the realm will later be another essential element of the plot in the books. The show will probably ignore this theme, therefore cheapening things like you said.
This is just bullshit, George left because he had to finish his god damn books you all think are so flawless.
It started going to shit with season 5, by far the worst season of the show.
Jaime Lannister omg, where is this??
I've got bad news from the future--it doesn't get better
Ahh shit, that is what I was feeling but hoped I was wrong.
Hahaha time traveling bastard. I'm on your side.
You lost me at the "don't be angry, just be contemplative" portion near the end. Fans and writers alike should be angry at what happened to Game of Thrones because it was unnecessary. Weiss and Benioff were over their heads trying to maintain the very high story quality, but they easily had access to skilled writers and plenty of budget to help them out. They did not take this path. Instead they chose convention and expediency and threw logic out of the window - needlessly. Worse, when you listen to their commentary and that of some directors on the later seasons, it's apparent that story and writing were at best of secondary concern. Instead, the story became merely a vehicle for spectacle and showing off the acting chops of the lead actors. That is not storytelling, that is just awful writing.
Game of Thrones felt like a meme to me. Pure fan service with no risks taken AT ALL. How convenient to kill ALL the Freys in one go, I'll admit it was a great scene, but really you expect us to believe they were all there at the same time? Not to mention when Davos meets Gendry "So you're done rowing I suppose?" or something like that... oh my R'hollor...
Scott Meyer I'm not angry. I was furious but now, I'm just indifferent which honestly hurts more. Because I just don't care anymore, the story has been butchered beyond repair.
Scott Meyer They basically fell victim to the "Common TV show formula" that involves having epic scenes and dialogue for no reason other than to be cool. Instead of the complex stories and reasonings the characters had before, it has become a show of shock value and explosions.
I think the main issue that led to this mess is that, instead of continuing to be a show driven by characters and their motivations, it became a show about the "plot" if that makes sense. So the characters now are nothing more than plot devices essentially instead of people. Just look at the poor development of characters like Stannis, Daenerys and even Arya in the past few seasons.
Roxanne Anders I agree with you as far as your point goes, but if plot is their obsession, you'd have to ask why the Season 7 plot was so transparently crap.
Varamyr Z Just because they rather focus on plot doesn't mean their plot has to be good. It just means that they are now only focusing on that and will do anything to rush to the point they want since they no longer have character focused stories. It is all cause and effect. They are no longer taking their time with anything since they no longer know their characters' motivations and where they should end up. They are out of book content and they don't know how to handle all the characters and their stories anymore so they are mostly just going off of whatever GRRM told them the ending would be and the rest they are making up as they go. And clearly they rather focus on the plot (fighting night walkers, who gets the iron throne, etc.) than on the characters, who in previous seasons WERE the plot (since back then due to the characters' complexities and different goals/journeys, we never knew where things would lead upto).
SEASON 7 INJURED THE SHOW
SEASON 8 KILLED THE SHOW
I'M HURT
I agree. I didn't hate this season, but it felt empty. I still love the show, but I hope they take a different approach with season 8.
The latest season was still great entertainment. I think a big part is, that people just get used to it. I bet if they remained like season 1 to 5 people would still complaining. You would read stuff like "Because there are no books left, they just copy the old stuff!", "Oh man, another main character death. Could they even amaze me with something new?" , "It is the big final! Shouldn't they finally incrase the pacing and went on to the f*** war against the white walkers?".
Great entertainment for the people who just wanna see great CGI. Not for people who are here for the story. And Story is shit now.
EvilPlaya So true. I call bullshit on there not being enough content for a full season. A lot of the best parts of GOT were the parts when characters shared the road together. There was no need for magic travel or a sped up pace.
Roland People would be complaining, but only ones who have been complaining from the start. I wouldnt complain if they had the same pace and long relationships between characters. That would be nice. Like between Tywin and Arya. I always felt the threat to her character and when Arya got lessons from the enemy who would kill her if he knows who she really is, that was awesome. The output was great. Now the pace is too fast and we dont get that awesome golden moments. No space for the drama to breathe when all of it is action. Not much humour either. Like random joke that the prostitutes didnt take money from Podrick.
Mex LOL oh you fools it will have even less episodes. They are in a full on sprint now. They are not stopping welcone to cliche fantasy ending 3.
The main problem I had with the newer seasons of Game of Thrones is that it's losing what made it different to begin with. There's been many other fantasy stories that have had grimdark aspects. The one thing that set Game of Thrones apart from them is that there was a consistent commitment to realism. There was a sense that this story, even without the fantasy aspects, could run as a moving drama akin to Shakespeare. But they're losing that edge, and they're just relying on the fantasy and sex aspects of the show to run on its own, which is bad.
I've seen many other fantasy stories do the grimdark aspect justice. Warcraft 3, for example, is a very grimdark fantasy story where most of humanity falls to a zombie plague and the zombies even summon demons from another world who cause more havoc on the planet. Similarly, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim has a grimdark civil war storyline juxtaposed with dragons attacking the country, while its prequel, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, has fucking demons attacking the Imperial capital, with demonic portals spewing forth the minions of the damned, assaulting cities everywhere. These are stories that are very grimdark in fantasy. They had grey morality, they had horror elements not suited for youngsters, and they had politicking, treachery and backstabbing as plot devices.
You know what they lacked? A sense of Medieval realism that Game of Thrones had in spades. Take away the fantasy elements, and Warcraft 3 is just about orcs and humans bashing each other in the face, continuing the war that the first two games started. Skyrim would just be about a civil war. Oblivion wouldn't even have a conflict seeing as to how the whole conflict in that game, including the add-ons, revolves around three Daedric invasions. Game of Thrones could function without the White Walkers or the Dragons, and still be a moving tale about a power struggle that tears apart a realm that used to be seven separate kingdoms. But now, you might as well throw all of that politicizing away and just focus on the zombies and dragons.
The only thing Game of Thrones is now is "Lord of the Rings with more sex and graphic violence". Which is something that's not that hard to get. They're losing the realism that made the first four seasons shocking-which makes them no longer a commodity, just another show in a sea of fantasy shows, some of which do the whole fantasy thing a lot better. Heck, in Oblivion, the player can become a god of an entire dimension. In Skyrim, you can become a vampire lord, and you can also tame and ride dragons, as well as defeat a dragon-god who besieges Valhalla. Warcraft 3 lets you command the armies of the dead and see things from their perspective for a good, long while.
So the one thing that Game of Thrones had that these other fantasies didn't have is an increased sense of Medieval realism. The power politics between the great houses as well as the consequences of failure. In these other games, failure just means the heroes try again. Even when the humans lose their homelands in Warcraft 3, they just set up a new homeland across the sea. In Skyrim, when Alduin meets the player as he is reviving another dragon, even though the evil dragon-god can easily kill the player, he leaves it to his lesser brethren to kill the player, which gives the player a chance to discover the weakness of said dragon-god and kill his ass in Viking heaven. Another case in Skyrim has the player getting captured and placed in an "inescapable" mine, but it doesn't take that long for the player to start a prison riot and get out. In Oblivion, you enter their equivalent of hell multiple times and come out unscathed. In Lord of the Rings, Legolas and the other heroes survive throwing themselves into Orc armies multiple times without it being a threatening ordeal.
That's not something Game of Thrones did in the first few seasons. Actions had consequences. Eddard Stark wouldn't make a deal with the Lannisters? He loses his head. His son breaks a vow to a powerful house? That kid loses his head too, after his mother gets her throat slit. Prince Oberyn doesn't finish his opponent? Said opponent crushes his head like an overripe tomato. But now, Jorah Mormont gets easily cured of Greyscale, Jon Snow survives being underwater in a freezing valley full of zombies, and Jaime gets dragged by Bronn back to solid land after falling into a river while wearing heavy plate armor. It's quite obvious as to who will live and who will die, which makes Game of Thrones lose its initial charm, where people didn't see Ned or Robb's deaths coming, or Dany hatching dragons.
Well Stated!!
you sir, were ahead of your time
The hero we needed, not the one we deserved
Most of the fanbase who read the books have been saying these things since season 5! It has gotten much much worse since then though.
Oh man, talk about foreshadowing 😂
The show has officially lost its soul. Now is just lazy and crap writting
Don't watch it then idiot.
@@magnet2themusic you are the idiot.
@@magnet2themusic Too late now
The irony here is that George RR Martin hates fanfictions. Boy, he must be angry!
I think he meant fan fiction by relating to peoples fantasy like the show was a really visceral watch and was popular for the fans so its fan fiction, if that makes sense
@@mudskipper9312 Season 7 and 8 are fan fiction of the worse kind. Can you honestly imagine Martin writing that Dragon riding scene, or the fireside scene.
@@gatsbygoodwood2575 More and more - I'm seeing this theory of the REAL reason he's been so slow and I'm actually starting to believe it.
He hates people making money off of someone elses characters, but has no problem with people writting fan fiction for fun or to learn.
That was one of the saddest declines on TV indeed... Seasons 1-4 were godlike, something out of this fcking world - with so much ambition and masterfully crafted conflicts and character arcs, presenting one of the richest lores out there - and 5-6 sure, they werent as consistently good as the earlier ones but they still gave us some of the best moments of the whole series.
As much as I wanted to like s7 (and even did quite a bit at first sight), it quickly crumbled on itself (mostly) due to the forced writting and rushed scenes/manufactared conflicts at the high cost of character consistency. The season unfortunately ultimately felt like a high budget fanfic :(
Well, yeah. The first seasons closely followed books. The script writers are without that luxury now.
the more they divert from the books, the worse it becomes
Season one was awful the Starks seamed so week
@@Edd_LShore rofl. What? Season 6 is one of the best seasons of GOT. You guys are crazy and this is why this argument is about how it fell off is irrelevant. It's all preference obviously. I agree 5 is underrated but there's no way in hell it's better than 6. 7 is the only season with serious issues. That doesn't cancel out 1-6. And as long as they end it brilliantly, it will go down as one of the best shows in history. Regardless of the haters acting like it's shit because of one season, 7, that was bad.
@Luke Dougherty Because of one season it's not your favorite anymore? Lol
I avoided this video last year cause even though I saw all the cracks, I WANTED this show to end strong. I think the thing that rang most true was that characters have become a shell of their former selves. So disappointed and we've still got one episode left...
It's coming to the payoff phase of writing that seems too formulaic for us. GoT has made us cynical of conventional writing but here it is in it's pre final season and the mystery is gone. All that's left is the actual war, which is pretty 2 dimensional.
Enlighten me, oh all knowing one, what reason exactly has the show given me to sympathize with the WW? Exactly, it hasn't. In the show, they're presented as hideous mass murdering monsters whose only purpose is the annihilation of man kind. You're right, it isn't even two-dimensional. It's one dimensional
Mihailo Djordjevic I'm not sure if that's how it'll go in the books though. GRRM doesn't believe in completely good people or completely evil people, so would he really have a good vs evil war? I reckon something will be introduced to make you empathised with the walkers. Doubt it'll happen on the show though, they care more about spectacle, and a massive war looks cooler
Hey man...
After S8E3, can you make a sequel ?
No😥
😭
Hahaha if the leaks are true the worst is yet to come
There's tons of good responses to the current state of GoT if you just search a bit.
Watching this after S08E05...And couldn't be more true.
If you have enough time and resources to write AND film 5 different endings to prevent a possible "leak," you haven't possibly given enough attention to the entirety of the plot.
But I guess that doesn't matter anymore since half the country is hooked and the show is now a fattened cash cow.
ikr. The one that killed me was the Disappearing Script App. You gotta know the actors and the vfx teams are world class to keep things somewhat watchable despite Dumb and Dumbr's ridiculous contrivances. I'm surprised and thoroughly impressed that the actors were able to do their job at all. Kudos to them for almost pulling it off.
(Except for Kit. He got his fancy little lordlet knickers in a bunch and was a total dick about defending THING 1 and THING 2 against their well earned criticism. He can go fuck himself, too :P)
@@XenaBe25
He could be in denial, I sympathize for him having to go to rehab now.
@@pplr1 Erm… he's at a hoity toity $100 000/month spa. Ofc, some ppl say he's in there for drinking but w/e. I have no sympathy for *rich drunks,* either. I'd take his so-called 'stress' over mine, anytime. At least he's well paid for w/e it is that he thinks is 'stressful'
What if the rendering we got was one of the date endings they filmed? Fingers crossed
Game of Thrones has basically become fan fiction at this point.
kimsalabim Well, yeah. It became fanfiction as soon as the book content ended in season 5. The rest of the plot lines they've had to make up and that has clearly gone poorly lol
it became a comic book where it's just classic heroes vs villains SMH
yessss.... i eyerolled on sooo many scenes 😒😒😒 Especially the Dany-Jon thing bleeaaaahhh
kimsalabim Perfect way to put it
Ingrid Mangubat-Patacsil PREACH FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT THEY HAVE NO CHEMISTRY ITS BORING
I'm watching this when Season 8 is airing and your analysis is still spot on
If you're interested in an alternate ending:
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The show died with Tywin.
True thing, he was absolutely amazing
I really hope these last 3 episodes can salvage the show in some way. I really disliked this past episode so much. Just randomly right now I just had the epiphany that Game of Thrones has gotten so much worse. This season has been kinda bad.
@@SuperMovieLvr933 8x3 was the worst episode thus far, and the previous two episodes were preparing us for 8x3, so they were also pointless and useless.
Lowkey... yeah
@@nixiontm It was the worst episode in GOT history!
The writing is predictable for the female characters. Brienne has been a steely-eyed warrior all through the series and the now the writers made her a blubbering mess over Jamie leaving. Then they make Dany the "mad queen". OMG.
@Beverly Mandahl The point is that females should not be shown as being vulnerable all the time in tv shows and movies.
For me, the only character left that the show truly seems to understand is Cersei. For all the other characters' decline into convenience storytelling and contrived behavior, Cersei's decisions over this last season-her lies to Jaime, to everyone around her, her vindictive revenge schemes, her paranoia, her obsession with her father and his idea of family identity, and her ultimate inability to achieve Tywin's same edge and practicality because of her own ego and temptations-these are all things that have remained pretty well intact. You could also argue that Jaime and Sam haven't been very fucked up either, but beyond those two, everybody else-Tyrion more than all the rest-went to total shit.
The show doesn't understand Cercei. Lena Headey does. Don't confuse the two. If a weaker actress was playing Cercei, her character would be the worst thing ever. D&D don't understand Cercei. They look at her and see Tywin with tits. In the books she is paranoid and vindictive. In the show she's a mastermind who enjoys torturing the people she's outplayed. They're two completely different characters and Lena Heady, amazing as she is, can't change the bad writing she was handed.
I disagree. First of all, I said that the show understands Cersei-meaning, the series as composed of all its constituent agents, including Lena Headey, who may very well be the one keeping her character in line; I do not necessarily credit D&D for her.
And second, the way you're describing her in the books and in the show don't sound dissimilar. Cersei, in both the books and the show, has always been paranoid and vindictive, and she has also always relished in the downfall and punishment of her enemies.
She isnt a mastermind, far from it. She's just lucky to have Qyburn the magical plot wizard at her side. The writers are using every excuse to keep her around.
♞ Go Fuck Yourself ♞ you realize book Cersei is no where near this smart as show Cersei is and cant compete in politics like show Cersei does.
Josh Miller True but I think show Cersei was always that way since season 1. A bit more chill, not quite as vicious, and more in control.
i didn't like sansa stark ark at all in season 7 personally.that was unnecessary drama forced between siblings just to create some content. Starks went through a lot and just started to overcome some of their problems only to have sibling rivalry right after?. their incredibly journey became meaningless with these pety rivalry forced upon by writers.
They only had one small argument that wasn't staged for Littlefinger, there was literarly no sibling rivalry present in the series at all.
They didn't have a sibling rivalry in this, it was just a trap for Littlefinger. (excluding one argument)
In their rooms. In private. When it was just the two of them. What was that?
Littlefinger was obviously spying on them...
The Winterfell plot in season 7 was the most contrived, stupidest shit ever.
S8e3 and s8e4 went to shit. D&D are hacks. Remember HBO wanted 2 more full season but these guys didn't want that, they wanted to end the show quickly and shortened the season.
HBO wanted to make it longer but they refused, what?!?
Well... I'm not surprised, honestly
Where did you hear that? HBO wanted it longer?
@@opposumness3107 The tools should have hired dofferent writers that we'd have more and it wouldn't have been complete shit
@@Actiomedey that's what I was thinking. But could there be some rights involved with this?
If Dumb&Dumber had the rights to the show or something?
Otherwise, it was a huge mistake by HBO to not hire better writers.
This video is fantastic and borderline prophetic. Honesty gives me hope for the future of this website
You haven’t even gotten to the jon\dany love story. The worst written couple in tv history. No chemistry at all
worst most forced romance ever.
Dave Studdaman I believe they did it in purpose to misdirection fans to believe Jonerys is end game, making the plot seem more easy.
How?
The Spriggan because they are making the viewers think John and dany will win and rule in peace, but in actuality John and dny will both due by the hand of cersie
Nicholas Hutchinson GRRM said its going to be a bitter sweet ending so I'm not to sure about that. I just don't understand why people don't like the relationship between jon and dany. It never really bothered me to be honest. (Minus the niece and nephew thing)
I find myself back here after 08x04 to remind myself of my own ambivalence and foolishness.
This video becomes more and more pertinent as time goes by.
You're very good at articulating my feelings about the show, I'm impressed. It's like I knew I was feeling this, but I could never describe it quite like you did. You're right, 'the pain of falling out of love' , it's so poetic it makes me want to cry.
Littlefinger's death was the most disappointing part. His elaborate conspiracy was undone my omniscient tree magic. And just in case his lords wouldn't believe in omniscient tree magic, he turned into a blubbering, crying joke so they'd all know he's guilty.
Have you seen the movie Blitz by any chance? If not, I highly recommend it! Aidan Gillen (Littlefinger) plays the main villain. The way they dealt with him at the end of that movie should have been more or less the way Littlefinger would have had to go out in GoT.
That's the whole point of the Three eyed raven. What would you have done instead? make sansa and arya kill each other while Bran did nothing?
Cross88 it makes a lot more sense to interpret his crying before he died as crocodile tears, a last ditch effort to pull sympathy out of Sansa. In fact the entire scene where he died was obviously him switching between dozens of ideas he had to save his own life, trying everything he could.
There's actually a reason why he does that. He's only interested in Sansa - and there's no way Sansa would distrust Bran, even without evidence. So, getting out of the situation by demanding evidence wouldn't have been enough.
Cross88 that was the best part of the season. Littlefinger thought he could see everything and trick everyone into getting his way. It makes sense that his downfall was brought about by the only person who could ACTUALLY see everything.
Early game of thrones had the feeling that the characters were creating the plot. Now it seems like the plot is creating characters if you catch my drift. Nuanced characters with complex motives have been sucked dry of complexity and are now simply acting out the pre-ordained plot.
I'm not trying to debate it. I just want you to name few characters you have in mind. So i can understand better.
@@mariod1547 Tyrion is no longer clever, funny. Neither is Varys. Both have been shells since they went East. Just dumb servants to Daenarys who keeps fucking up/borderline betraying her but with no consequence (except Varys finally did). Sort of interesting that Daenarys sucks the life out of the characters that entered her storyline. She's all that matters.
Tyrion's plan to send the Dragon north was a prime example of this. Season 2 Tyrion would've never made this plan. The ONLY reason this plan was written to his character was because they needed a Dragon north of the wall so the Night King could get one. Hence they put plot before character. Except now even the plot is busted cuz the Night King didn't even do anything notable. It's all fucked.
What this guy just said.
The truth that the whole show fandom doesn't want to hear...
NickToVa like ?
Ditto
What is particularly stupid is, this entire world is supposed to be super cold and yet hardly a single person wears warm hats! Worse, warriors don't wear proper gear at all. Anyone who has fought in mock medieval warfare and I have a lot, our chief aim is to hit the head.
The truth.
When you realize that Joffrey actually orchestrated his own death in season 4 because he knew what D&D were about to do to the show's storyline...
"Falling out of love with the story..." yes, that's exactly what it is, and you have perfectly described why. To be fair to the show, I actually wonder if this is why GRRM seems to have stopped writing. Did he write himself into a corner where the ending could never be as satisfying as the build-up? The coming evil of the White Walkers was always going to turn the story into good vs. evil after all those years of grey characters playing political games. I was actually quite annoyed with the last book, because as well written as it was, it felt like he was losing interest in the story he already set up, so he started new story lines, like the one with Aegon. As for Season 7, the entire story line beyond the wall was ridiculous, which was upsetting to me since some of my favorite characters were there, doing things that made no sense. The Winterfell story line forced us to either accept that Sansa and Arya were acting out of character or that Littlefinger couldn't tell he was in danger. Neither of those made sense either. Le sigh...
Raunchy Dog Productions If the Boltons and the Lannisters had won, it wouldn't be that way. We'd be like "oh, the WW are gonna win? Fine. I don't care. Kill them all. Make them pay". So then the WW might be bad but it would feel like revenge. After all, after your family and everyone you cared for is dead, nothing feels better than to see the world burn. Right?
And for the last scene, we see signs in the mud, in KL, that read "Wight lives matter"
Raunchy Dog Productions And maybe Dany could have gotten there too late.. everything is destroyed already.
Cause honestly dragons are too op, they even had to give one to the WW to restore balance
Except that the Others aren't as explored in the books. I bet that there will be nuances about they origin and purpose. One thing that I hate about the show it's their portrayal, they are ugly, monster-like creatures; they are described as beautiful in the books, and intelligent, they have a language of their own.
Breno Muniz That too.
LOL Nah, I still wanted the Starks to retake Winterfell. I just wanted it to seem organic and inevitable, like all the story lines used to feel. I don't want to think about the fact that it is a story that someone is writing while I'm watching it. I want to be immersed. Staying immersed and not say "What? That wouldn't happen!" was really difficult for me this season.
S8E3 was the final nail in the hollow coffin that belongs to the vanished quality of the storytelling in the show. It was disappointing.
It's Game of Thrones not the Frozen Walking Dead are still three episodes left all over an hour each to get back to storytelling about the actual throne not a character made up just for the show
I'm not an English student, I've always hated it. But even I can tell that George R.R. Martin hasn't written season 7 and season 8. The plot is either convenient or forced too often. Tyrion's fall from grace feels unnatural, Bran has a vision of the Night King while Dany is arriving at Winterfell, Littlefinger's death, the entire journey North of the Wall, etc... There just isn't the same causation that would lead to the major plot points before season 7.
A good analogy would be that George R.R. Martin constructed a puzzle with GOT and the writers of the show are trying to make their own picture out of the puzzle. And instead of ending up with a complete picture, the show writers left us with holes and pieces that don't quite fit together.
The writing quality dropped hella low when D&D ran out of source material.
The titanic simile made me laugh. Oh you clever man you
agree hilarious
Same, great experience
and.rosie Are u kidding? It was so on the nose, obnoxious and annoying as fcuk. It's such a old, OLD trick youtubers used. Lame to say the LEAST!
@@plisskenetic Chill
S08E02... alright we’re getting back to that classic game of thrones feel😏
S08E03..... wait what? That’s it? ARYA?! Building Jon and Brans confrontation with the night king for 8 seasons for that outcome?
S08E04..... and the entire show is ruined. Oof. Thanks for dumbing down such a complex wonderful story to cater to the masses!👍🏻
The best part about the 'catering to the masses' is that it didn't even accomplish that, I can't find anyone saying anything positive about this season, everyone thinks it's gone to shit lol.
@@YouRandamoTube1237 I'd disagree. E03 has received a lot of acclaim from viewers. Not book readers or theorizers (not a word but whatevs) mind you but the casual everyday watcher enjoyed the "subversion" and many are praising it as one of the best episodes yet. I have not read much on the fourth episode however, so I can not speak on whether it has been received positiviely or not..... While I bitch and moan I will still watch the last two episodes. lol. 8 years of watching, reading the series 3 times thus far and streaming all the extra "history and lore vids" means I wouldn't miss it. But it is sad to see the shape the show is in.
After watching episode 3 two more times, it's actually growing on me. I'm not sure what the resolution should have been or that I could have come up with a better one. I thought Arya getting to kill the Night King was satisfying. And it did surprise me. It did seem a little anti-climatic when I first watched it, and maybe a few more major characters should have died, but we'll see what happens once it ends. There could be several more deaths. We can't really analyze this until the show ends.
@@JacksonWalker96 I can second that some of my friends love it in fact they think its a masterpiece, i have no words for them
It was foreshadowed in the books and films that arya would kill the night king ffs
The worst part for me is writing out Varys from the plot.. He was such a powerful character, who has been written as retreating just like that...
It is not because I love the character, its because it was build for creating great conflicts... Instead of these manufactured conflicts
The title shows my exact feelings on the show, I've fallen out of love with it.
I've never been emotionally invested in a series or movie before but GoT manages to do it to me. Like a relationship or marriage that ends in two people being separated, It's like I've been cheated on and heart broken and it sincerely depresses me, so much so that I've avoided anything related to the show that causes me think about it. I know its petty to get this emotional about a show and as I said before GoT "got me" but they've done an injustice to us and I will not make the same mistake twice.
Trust me, you're fine. Back in Season 5 when the show started going downhill, I started going into head-spinning bouts of depression and anxiety over the loss of my favorite franchise EVER that lasted for *years*. Like, I'm not exaggerating, it lasted for years, until I started actively hating the show during Season 7. Sounds psycho, but that's how much I used to love GoT lol.