a BETTER way to protect your phone number?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- It's better than a burner number and you've probably never heard of it before. Stop scams, phishing and SIM swap attacks by NOT giving out your primary phone number to anyone who asks. Here's a new way to create phone number "aliases" that is absolutely genius.
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Video Timestamps
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0:00 - 2nd Phone Numbers for Privacy
0:54 - Problem with most burner numbers
1:31 - Solution: 2-way routing
2:27 - How the Cloaked App works
4:20 - How to use 2nd Numbers Effectively
5:08 - Cloaked App Final Verdict
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How do you balance the need to communicate with the need for privacy? In this video, Josh explains a new approach to burner phone and 2nd phone numbers that acts almost like email aliases for phone numbers.
#phonesecurity #mobileprivacy #mobilesecurity - Наука та технологія
I'm curious - was my explanation helpful? I geek out over this stuff but I'm never sure if I communicate it well. Let me know what you think, and if you decide to try Cloaked, you can use this app and discount code (not affiliate): www.cloaked.app/ats (20% discount using code ATSCLOAKED)
Easy to understand, and the graphics help out immensely! Will definitely be checking this out!
@@alberto9275156Awesome! Thanks for the feedback, Alberto.
I got the basic gist of it, yes, the explanation's helpful. But..., well, I wrote out the question just now and had to delete it because I think I figured it out. So, clarification then, is the need for two cloaked numbers for each person/group so they have a number to call me and I have a number to call them?
Otherwise, it sounds like a pretty cool, "All-In-One" solution. If it works consistently and doesn't mess up ones workflow too much if they go out of business, or, if someone decides they no longer want to use the service, then I'm all for it!
That was great! I will check it out. Wonder if I can use it for my Google voice #
Excellent content & persuasive presentation.
My solution to keep my cell phone private is to only give out my Landline phone number. My service provider will forward all calls to my cell phone. I can answer the call with my landline or if I'm out & about I can answer the phone call with my cell phone. The caller has no way of knowing I'm answering their call with my cell phone & have no way of obtaining/using/giving out my cell phone #. I don't have a so called "Smart" phone. my 4G Flip phone is enough for me to make & receive calls, make & receive texts.
I tell everyone I don't have a cell phone & only give out my landline #.
Did a quick dive on their website, could not find out where they operate from, their security practices, third party vendors they use (virtual cards). A nice all-in-one solution, yet they could be more transparent. Their FAQ is a bit lean.
Same
This is my concern, they are still a man in in the middle and have access to my communications and contacts. If they get compromised the users are screwed.
@@krimsonsun10 unrealistic scenario for literally mass population
Take a look again! There seems to be much better details on the site now. Maybe not perfect for you, but much more informative than previously.
I wonder if you create a main account then use it to create a second cloaked account then only use the second account, and they get compromised there would be nothing on your main account for anyone to find. Since the second would was created with fictitious data would it be untraceable to anyone? If not, that would be a way to eliminate the "middleman".
oh man, absolutely need this in australia. i HATE giving out my phone number to anything that needs it for registration cos ive heard so many horror story of americans getting spam texts. i thankfully dont get any of those, but it's a big fear of mine
This service is amazing, not gonna lie. Hope they expand it to other countries.
Definitely hope so.
Yeah, same here. I'm based overseas, and this sounds like a very valuable tool.
Same, I really hope in future I can use this here in Europe. Thank you for showing us
What do you recommend outside the US?
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for! Your content is consistently excellent! Thanks Josh
My pleasure! Glad it's useful.
Great explanation! I love to follow you because there is so many details I can take over for my private internet usage and security.
The explanation was easy to understand and I think I am going to use this service even though I live in Europe/Germany
This sounds amazing, been wondering about a solution like this for a little while, thank you for sharing this! 🙏🏻
No problem!
I LOVE this idea. You explained it well. I will be checking out Cloaked!
Thanks for the kind words!
Thank you for sharing this interesting info. Looking into it. Blessings.
A limiting factor is the number format itself. Unlike the flexibility of email addresses, there are a finite amount of numbers in the available pool and its infrastructure is more tightly controlled. Large block ranges are reserved, and many numbers are recycled after a period of dormancy.
That's a valid concern. However, the way it's set up is that their temporary numbers is kinda just make-believe. With actual phone numbers, you're limited to (areacode)-3digits-4digits. With this system, because their app is forwarding the "fake" number to your actual number, the fake number can contain whatever number you want so long as it's not an actual phone number with an actual area code. So for instance, 123 is not a US area code, which means that every number starting with 123 is available.
@@KarmaisReal-sm6bzI suspect that, as many already do, most sites will be able to detect valid numbers and reject any that cannot be actual phone numbers.
This IS super interesting. We need Cloaked in Canada! 👍🏼☎💥
Outstanding... Grabbing a year now..
Thank you! This certainly looks worthwhile.
Thanks for the comment!
Definitely interesting but beyond my needs. Thanks for the tip.
I completely understand. At least now you know it exists!
Superb explanation!
Glad you think so!
Sounds brilliant. I just need it to come to the UK seeing as UK carriers and networks seem disinclined to focus on customer privacy.
Yea, hopefully soon.
To be fair, it's not that hard in the UK to get a new number. Pick up a new free (PAYG) SIM card, from most major retailers, and top up £10+. You're set to use it as long as you want. If you want to order online, give fake details, with a real address. You can get several cards, no problem.
You can also use google voice, although multiple instances means multiple accounts.
Thanks Josh! Another great, easily understood video about our ever changing technology options.
BUT Does this work with Signal App.
I don't think you can use these numbers for Signal, but who knows. Give it a try!
I definitely like it!
Zhus is a true game changer 👍😃 Thanks for sharing
No problem 👍
This was an amazing presentation. I've been wondering how to do this and am so glad to know how. The only thing missing were the costs and terms. This is the ideal solution to stop the selling of my phone numbers. Thank you so much for helping us all stay safe and enjoy our privacy. My only concern is how secure my original number is once I give it to this mystery company. Will they sell it to a third party or not?
I read on their website, I believe, that there is end-to-end encryption and that the database that stores your aliases is local to your phone.
My question is whether they can listen to phone-calls though. I don’t know whether normal phone traffic can use E2E encryption
Glad it was useful. I think this is one of those cases where you’re going to have to decide if you’ll trust one company in order to minimize the trust you have to give to numerous others.
Excellent Question
@@AllThingsSecured This is similar to DELETE ME, you give them all your personal info & ask that they do whatever is necessary so websites will remove your personal information.
Hi Josh, Am in Nairobi, Kenya and very impressed by your channel. I would like to pick your brain on your thoughts on Online Security for Africa.. specifically am very keen to start a company like deleteme or incognia but with emphassis on Africa.
I click on "pricing", I land on a waiting list for their system.
Not at all what I asked for.
So I cannot even see their pricing? They already lost me.
Looks interesting.
This is just what I've been waiting for this solves all my problems
Ok, wow. Glad to hear it.
I think that’s awesome and would love it, but I’m in the UK… one question, could Cloak intercept your comms though?
I think this is amazing! Although I am in the UK so I guess I will have to wait a while. I have 2 Hush Lifetime deal numbers, but it's often a hassle as I need to be signed in to the account to receive calls.
Exactly. That's sometimes how I feel as well.
Very interesting!
I think so too!
Hey @AllThingsSecured, I am curious, what are you choice of Smartlocks? Is there an indepedent or airgapped one?
I think I may need cloaked - I have so many numbers right now because for different business needs and I think this could be a real solution. thank you!!
My pleasure!
Would this service deter SIM swapping? How is this different from Efani?
A simpler option is just to have a spare SIM on your phone.. BTW iPhones can now have up to 8 different eSIMs on the same handset.
Good clear explanation. App looks interesting and a better solution than others offered. $10/mo is on the higher side, but understandable.
Thanks for the feedback 👍🏻
Indeed. I hope the price structure is a bit more varied, more like a freemium kind of way that upsells.
This is awesome! Once they start allowing for the virtual cards, I think they will be superior!
Yea, I haven’t tested any of that.
Love the idea! Hopefully it will be available outside the US. :D
I hope so too!
It's available in the UK now on android smartphones, thanks for this video 🙂.
Kind of like a SimpleLogin for mobile numbers 😀
Exactly ✅
I love that this is a thing, unfortunately I can't access it yet.
This is a cool concept... I love that I can create aliases for my Proton email...
Question... Really, the only reason I want another number is to not have to give my real number out when I use apps that require phone numbers. What is your best suggestion for the price?
It was communicated very well. I have to thank you for all the excellent information that you have provided. I wish I had come across your channel prior to someone hacking several accounts but through listening to your channel and my own personal prayers I’ve been spared. I’m going to get Cloaked and email aliases. One question I hear a lot of positive things about Proton mail I’m in the process of diversifying my emails so I’m creating quite a bit. The question is do you use Proton mail for banking? Someone attacking your personal stuff gets you paranoid.
Yes, I do. Proton is an excellent choice.
@@AllThingsSecured Thank you for the response I’m going with them. Keep up the excellent work!!!
I’d love an update on this one from you.
i was thinking of getting this
Go for it. Give it a try for free.
Question how does this affect iMessage? Would my bubble be green and remove certain features with iMessege?
Great video, but what happens to my main telephone number that I use with 2 2-factor authentication?
Can't signup for cloaked anymore... it says it's a private beta that needs an access code (not promo code)
Do you know if they will start in Australia
This is genius. Your phone number shouild be private, this is "Phone Number Aliases". Wish they will roll out in other countries. What about a cloaked Credit Card number for online purchases - like the disposable number from your Online Bank you showed us a few months ago ?
Just amazing
Glad you like it!
So, what happens when the service runs out of unique cloaked numbers?
And I agree - INTERESTING!
Now this situation comes to mind that I didn't see addressed: What happens if both parties are "Cloaked Customers"? Who knows how much about whom? What are the remaining advantages? Is this a downside, or a fail/stalemate (pun intended if dating app is involved!)because both have equal "shields raised to maximum"?
Paul M.
Atlanta, GA
Interesting question. I'm not sure I know the answer.
OK - if you ever find out? And you think it's not only interesting, but valuable? - Please post/update as you see fit. I'd appreciate it, but you have to weigh this against how many more are out there like me. Thanks for the reply.
Can you call and text countries outside the US or is that a limit?
Can you do a video on options available to non us residents if there are any available now!
I will once I find any good ones!
@@AllThingsSecuredGreat, Its very frustrating that we are always so far behind the US. Thank you for the reply
Please have an update if the service is available in other countries like 🇨🇦 Canada 🇨🇦
You look like you been out in the Sunshine! ))
I love cloaked, I’m just really starting to use it. I’ve found with cloaked and proton pass, the email addresses are useless. I create one, but the website says it’s not a real email, so it won’t take it 😣. I’ve run into that with my proton mail once in a while also.
That's surprising, I've switched all my active online accounts (more than 60) to SimpleLogin email aliases and haven't had an issue with any website accepting them, including financial institutions.
This is awesome, I would love to use this service, except I live in Europe, so it's not available here yet.
Bummer. Hopefully something like this will be available in Europe soon!
Sounds pretty good if it works as advertised. But it's important to have more info, how private is Cloaked? Who owns it? What is their business model?
It's a paid product, so that's their business model. It's also a startup.
Please do a video explaining the best way to handle 2FA when the ONLY option is SMS. Do you use a second Cell number that is not given out to anyone, or something else?
Naomi Brockwell suggests porting Cell to VOIP after setting 2FA up on all the accounts. Is that a good idea?
How should we sign up for cloakdd? Withvan aloas, phydonym,?
It's a bit complicated but I like it
I would love to use this. Sadly I'm in germany, EU.
Question some people use your number to hack you? Can they still do it using cloack
Pricing?
Coupon is invalid. Do you have another one?
This sounds very interesting. A shame it's not available outside the US, hopefully, that will change in time.
I know…sorry 🥲
About that. I really like the fact that you disclosed this@@AllThingsSecured. So many UA-camrs do not and seems to assume that everyone is from the same country they are. :)
From what I gather cloaked only offers US numbers but is there anything stopping Australians (or other non-U.S. based) from installing their app, generating number a US number set the US number to forward to my original australian number (the one that typically rings my phone)? Would it incur international charges or some other extra step compared to the one laid out in the video?
I wouldn't mind the odd looks of giving out a US number if it meant I could have a phone number masking service (similar to SimpleLogin with emails)
Hello Josh. Speaking of phone privacy, what do you think about Graphene OS? Is it hype? Is it only marginally better than android/apple? Could it make a difference for those with genuine security concerns?
I was thinking this might make a cool future video idea 😀
So many options in the US but not available elsewhere🤔
Sorry 😢
I like Shannon Morse's sales pitch more. Not sure but she sounds more organic. Hence her code ;) Cheers!
Aww…it’s cute that you think I care about whose code you use. I’m just glad you watched and commented.
So if I exchange numbers with a girl I have to wait until she calls me right? If I call her she will see my real number?
This needs to go international 🌎
Hopefully soon!
With Cloaked, do both cloaked and SIM provider have access to the contents of the call or just cloaked?
I believe just Cloaked.
It would be nice if cloaked and iron vest could combine services then I could have disposable phone numbers, emails and credit card numbers all in one package
Both good services.
It says on their website they are working on this so hopefully it's coming soon 🤞
Hi,Josh. Looks like this is for a iphone only. Is there something like this for Android phones? Thanks.
Really? Sorry, I forget to check on some of these details. Thanks for sharing.
I think it's available for iphone too! Cloaked app
Been using on Android for months now.
I wish simplelogin implement this asap, although its on their roadmap but they don't have any ETA for it.
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for sharing.
I can't help but wonder how long until we're out of phone numbers again and will have to add more digits. I use an old google voice #... doesn't ring anything anymore, but people can text and leave voicemail. and since I'm not a crApple user, the app is already on my phone.
I was wondering the same thing about how many phone numbers this might consume. I’m also wondering about area codes, and whether a deleted number could be reassigned to another user in the future.
So the beauty of this method is that they can reuse these phone numbers with many people. The two-way routing is based on your phone number, so the number can be used multiple times by multiple people (even at the same time).
I have no doubt that they have controls in place for abuse, but if you’re using it legitimately, you shouldn’t have a problem getting enough numbers.
I've called my provider and set up 2 factor authentication.
I need to do the thing that I can do but when I am doing it I can provide some idea for them to think each day when it come it just get a noti from someone
Sounds great with a few questions. Companies use text verification systems that fail on VoIP numbers. VoIP calls are always sound like your in a tunnel and worse.
Does this setup allow regular texts that do not fail? Are the calls after connected use the provider mobile network? Or is this still a VoIP call?
I don't think this is a great solution for text verification, honestly. That's the reason I have the static second number with Hushed is for those places where I need text verification (although it doesn't work for all services).
As for VoIP...I'm not entirely sure. You'll have to ask their team to find out. They don't charge for minutes used, so my guess is that it isn't?
Talk about imsi catcher and how to prevent on iOS
Thanks for the suggestion.
that sounds cool, but what about text messages with those new numbers? do they work the same?
Yes, they do. Exactly the same.
@@AllThingsSecured Alright!
Fn brilliant, what is the cost in the US?
I *think* I remember their team telling me the whole service would be $10/mo? Don't quote me on that.
@AllThingsSecured thanks matey, we have been bombarded with spam calls here in Australia, the Telco, Telstra are doing a fair job at stopping them.
If these buggers get hold of your real number, and you accidentally answer one, they now know there's someone on the other end. But, if you sign up with eg a online shop, and decide that's it, you can just delete the number you set up with them, that's cool.
Cheers matey.
So numbers are allocated per sender/receiver?
Does this mean other people can use the SAME designated cloak number for their unique sender/receiver?
What happens if multiple sender/receiver are attempting to use the same cloak number simultaneously?
The numbers are designated based on the user. So the only way this would be a problem would be if the SAME Cloaked number was issued by two different Cloaked accounts to the same outside phone number. And my guess is that Cloaked probably has a system in place to make sure that doesn't happen (or if not, they should).
Amazing service. Only concern is how secure is the connection? Can anyone at cloaked listen in to my phone calls at any time?
I'm not sure. But keep in mind - I'm using this to communicate with strangers, not my bank. The idea isn't 100% secrecy.
@@AllThingsSecured well, I know that standard SMS and phone calls are already unencrypted, but I'm just thinking about the fact that we're possibly adding a third party's ability to listen in.
Like having a random dude at the telecom company listen is one thing, having him and a third private company listen in as well is just increasing the insecurity we already have with it
Still an awesome product though. I will probably try it out
What's the best way to archive an old number, yet still have access to continuing call history?
Just remove the contact but keep the number. They won’t be able to call you on the number, but you’ll still have the history.
If i have US sim card number and go to forein country (roaming zone) will app work?
The app will work, but the call forwarding probably won't unless you have international roaming with your US SIM card.
Does anyone know if it supports RCS?
Can you explain?
Seems like an appealing service, but one big question I didn't hear answered: does using a Cloaked alias number satisfy banks and other sensitive entities that frown on virtual numbers?
I followed a seemingly good idea to get around this, which did not work. I bought a burner phone, added this physical device to my cellular plan, and got a working SIM. I then ported the physical phone's number to Google Voice. This supposedly gave my ported number a non-virtual lineage, and was supposed to satisfy entities with a bias against VoIP. -- WRONG. It doesn't work. The ported number shows up as a Google number on services that provide that data.
So it Cloaked the same thing, and will it satisfy the real-vs-virtual test?
This wouldn’t be helpful for OTP though bc you have to save them first to assign that number to them . Unless you can save them after you receive the text . The biggest reason I like the other apps is bc when it works with a number within the app you can do the OTP verification which you need for monetization on social media
I can't wait till this is in other countries.
2:57 I hope the iPhone autofill didn't sell you out here :D
Thanks for the heads up. It didn't...but it's always hard to keep an eye out for that stuff.
The ATS 20 doesn’t work
How do I verify they aren’t tracking my contacts or recording my conversations?
I don't know. How do you verify that with any app you use?
I can’t use it in my country😢
Have you read the privacy policy on the website? I have reservations. It seems very porous.
I haven't yet (honestly), but the truth is I'm only going to be using this to give out numbers to strangers. The conversations I will be having are NOT sensitive, and if/when they do get serious, I would move them to my actual number.
Allow me to learn more because I'm already behind time.
If someone gave me the number, can i send a text from this virtual number or it is only for incoming calls/texts
Yes, you can send them texts and call them with the special number Cloaked gives you. That's the beauty of this method.
Hi. Good idea but i still find it confusing after watching several times. What we need is a graphical diagram
With a clear indication of my actuak phone and my actual phone number. Lets call that ME .
We then need contact 1 real name ie Tom, toms own number and a unique number from cloaked that tom thinks is my number
We then need to see where i store toms name his number and the cloaked number , is it stored in my regular phone or on the cloaked app.
We then need to see an incoming call and text. And a reply.
We then need to understand if i give the same cloacked number to a group of people at a conference then how do i differentiate between thise people, where is this stored.
I tried your link. As far as I can tell it is not giving a 15% discount. Which doesn't impress me as to the quality of their service. Either the link doesn't work, or they aren't honoring the discount (after only 10 days since you posted), or???? Plus as you are recommending them, it doesn't give me a lot of faith in your recommendations when the companies you recommend don't follow through.
Dont you live outside the US?
I do. It wasn’t easy to test this, but I did anyway 😂