Boston Marathon 2024 Super Shoe Observations
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- A few interesting super shoe items that happened in the 2024 edition of the Boston Marathon.
0:00 Intro
0:27 men’s and women’s race overviews
2:33 Podium shoe change-outs
3:34 Adidas vs Nike (still)
4:21 Nike Dev15 nowhere to be seen
5:21 On Running development
7:52 Continued Women’s podium shuffle
8:37 Nike Vaporflys nowhere to be seen
10:05 Brooks and Asics results
11:25 Outro
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Podium Results/Shoes
Boston Marathon 2024: Men's results
1. Sisay Lemma (ETH) 2:06:17 - Adidas Adios Pro Evo 1 v2
2. Mohamed Esa (ETH) 2:06:58 - Nike Alphafly 3
3. Evans Chebet (KEN) 2:07:22 - Adidas Adios Pro 3
Boston Marathon 2024: Women's results
1. Hellen Obiri (KEN) 2:22:37 - On Cloudboom Strike LS (Dev 1.2)
2. Sharon Lokedi (KEN) 2:22:45 - Under Armour Velociti Elite 2
3. Edna Kiplagat (KEN) 2:23:21 - Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 (dev)
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What do you think about adding images during the talk and description so who is not familiar with the products and athletes can better follow your resume? Thank you.
I’d love too… but I want to get these videos up within 24hrs of the event. I’m not press and o monetize these videos so I can use most of the images I can pull due to rights. The rest would come from Instagram… but I don’t have relationships with many posters and can’t get approval to use their images.
So it’s tough. It’s why I’m starting to shout out and link to Instagramers who do post the images…
Yeah I'd love to see the super shoes that you are talking about and perhaps put the stats up on your video also
Stars are MIA as they are dev shoes with no official photos or release. I’d love to include all of this… but it’s just not possible.
Killing it with the videos recently. Really appreciate your hard work!
Thank you. It’s been a lot to get through but enjoying the process for sure.
Always important to acknowledge the athletes. Obiri might win in a Gel Nimbus.
No doubt… no doubt. Her form is not beautiful… but she has guts and strength.
@@SagasuRunning watched a video about her form. the just of it was that she doesn't bother to control her head and upper body movement because actually controlling them wastes energy and in the same time she can contribute power to her kick with more upper body movement
That is actually the point the people who want super shoes banned don't understand 😂
Truly appreciate this videos of the top runner's shoes in the marathon majors.
It’s always been an interest of mine. No matter what sport I am watching. Knowing what gear the athletes are in. I’m glad others find this interesting as well. 🤙🏻
Crazy how we still see vaporfly 2 in the picture for first wave runners. With the Alphafly 1 Vaporfly 2 and adios pro 3s have been the most iconic marathon shoes in the last couple of years. It’s crazy how we still seek out for these shoes
I would say the Vaporfly (all versions) has been the most iconic shoe of road racing in the past 5 years. It was omnipresent everywhere, all of the time, until some what recently. It's definitely still around, most the VF2 and VF3, but not as everywhere as it was.
I just did a PR in a non race shoe (Hoka Mach 4). So, I don’t think non elite athletes need to spend a ton on shoes.
While this is likely very on point, it’s not as fun
It’s up to you as the runner and what you enjoy. I do agree most runners don’t need the latest and greatest… but the latest and greatest sure is fun to experience. There aren’t many sports where is non-elite participants can purchase the same elite level gear (minus the dev prototypes) that elites have access too.
Agree. 👍🏻
It really depends, there's a huge difference between running a 3 hour marathon vs a 5 hour marathon, and even then, the 5 hour marathon person will still at least benefit from the faster recovery that a good supershoe will give them. Also, getting a PR with a Mach 4 doesn't mean you wouldn't have run even faster with a supershoe that fits you well..
@@rinotz7 well said. 👏🏻
Fantastic video. What about those still using Adios Pro3 and On Cloudboom Echo 3 and Puma elite 2 in Boston? Thanks.
The AP3 is interesting. Evans Chebet, who arguably can run in any Adidas shoe he wants, still picks the AP3, seems like he always has. I’ve also noticed most Adidas elites training in the AP3, using it like a Boston 12, even the ones who race in the Evo1. The AP3 will be 2 years old in June and it’s still a top shoe, maybe one of the best marathon racers for most runners.
I didn’t see any elites in non current shoes, beyond one or two VF2s. Anyone I saw in older shoes were pros or wave 1 runners which are likely buying their own gear or getting very limited support from companies. Or they stick with what they trained through their build in.
I did see a male Puma Elite (name on bib) in Fast-Rs… the first version. My guess would be they were less extreme than v2 so maybe better for him… 🤷🏼♂️
@@SagasuRunningfantastic insights. Hope in June you review best super shoes (1 or 2) for half/full from each brand. Since Evo is not availability, it can be ignored. Thanks.
I'm in awe of your ability to ID all these shoes from race photos. No doubt the AF3 and Evo 1 are great shoes, but I wonder how much of their podium dominance is due to the sponsorship relationships with the relatively tiny number of elite athletes who can podium at majors. They might be able to win in other brands of shoes as well but there's a lot of inertia in the sponsorships as long as Nike and Adidas are willing to put enough money in it.
Nike and Adidas have the money to get the best talent with the top gear. Asics spends wisely on talent with strong gear. On has money to burn right now. Chinese brands are shopping.
Everyone else can’t play at the same level…
We have also the list containing the top 20:
Women’s Results + Shoe Models
1. Hellen Obiri, 34, Kenya, 2:22:37-On Cloudboom Strike prototype
2. Sharon Lokedi, 30, Kenya, 2:22:45-Under Armour Velociti Elite 2
3. Edna Kiplagat, 44, Kenya, 2:23:21-Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 prototype
4. Buze Diriba, 30, Ethiopia, 2:24:04-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
5. Senbere Teferi, 28, Ethiopia, 2:24:04-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
6. Mary Ngugi Cooper, 35, Kenya, 2:24:24-Nike Vaporfly 3
7. Workenesh Edesa, 31, Ethiopia, 2:24:47-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
8. Fatima Gardadi, 32, Morocco, 2:24:53-Xtep 160X 5.0
9. Tiruye Mesfin, 21, Ethiopia, 2:24:58-Nike Zoom X Vaporfly Next% 2
10. Dera Dida, 27, Ethiopia, 2:25:16-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
11. Siranesh Yigra, 23, Ethiopia, 2:26:31-Nike Zoom X Vaporfly Next%
12. Emma Bates, 31, U.S., 2:27:14-Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris
13. Vibain Chepkirui, 29, Kenya, 2:27:23-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
14. Helah Kiprop, 39, Kenya, 2:27:36-Xtep 160X 5.0
15. Sara Hall, 41, U.S., 2:27:58-Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris
16. Des Linden, 40, U.S., 2:28:27-Brooks Hyperion Elite 5 prototype
17. Meseret Belete, 24, Ethiopia, 2:31:03-Nike Zoom X Vaporfly Next%
18. Jenny Simpson, 37, U.S., 2:31:39-Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 prototype
19. Angie Orjuela, 34, Colombia, 2:32:14-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3
20. Dominique Scott, 31, South Africa, 2:32:31-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
Men’s Results + Shoe Models
1. Sisay Lemma, Ethiopia, 33, 2:06:17-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
2. Mohamed Esa, 23, Ethiopia, 2:06:58-Nike Alphafly 3
3. Evans Chebet, 35, Kenya, 2:07:22-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3
4. John Korir, Kenya, 27, 2:07:40-Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris
5. Albert Korir, 30, Kenya, 2:07:47-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
6. Isaac Mpofu, 35, Zimbabwe, 2:08:17-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3
7. CJ Albertson, 30, U.S. 2:09:53 -Brooks Hyperion Elite 4
8. Yuma Morii, 33, Japan, 2:09:59-Nike Alphafly 3
9. Cybrian Kotut, 31, Kenya, 2:10:29-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro Evo 1
10. Zouhair Talbi, 29, Morocco, 2:10:45-Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris
11. Shura Kitata, 27, Ethiopia, 2:10:52-Nike Zoom X Vaporfly Next%
12. Sondre Moen, 33, Norway, 2:11:18-Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 prototype
13. Suguru Osako, 32, Japan, 2:11:44-Nike Alphafly 3
14. Elkanah Kibet, 40, U.S., 2:12:32-Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris
15. Ryan Eiler, 37, U.S., 2:15:22-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3
16. Yemane Haileselassie, 26, Eritrea, 2:14:44-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3
17. Primoz Kobe, 42, Slovenia, 2:14:56-Asics Metaspeed Edge Paris
18. Patrick Smyth, 37, U.S., 2:15:45-Nike Vaporfly Next%
19. Grant O’Connor, 26, U.S., 2:16:17-Asics Metaspeed Sky
20. Corneschi Alexandru, 32, Romania, 2:16:23-Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3
Interesting to see how many Asics runners are actually preferring the Edge now...
On have great clothing brand and they look aesthetically pleasing but their shoes are meh and are behind Nike, adidas, Saucony and Asics especially supershoe wise. And they are very expensive too coming from Switzerland. Saying that, Obiri absolutely crushed it.
Also interesting to see Chebet running Adios Pro 3 and not the Evo 1. I don't think we've seen him race in an Evo 1 yet since it came out, I guess he just prefers the Pro 3?
And a sea of volt colourway Alphafly 3 in Boston. Did you manage to get a pair Chris? Mass release now globally and all sizes still available.
On is definitely flexing all their investment capital. I actually ran in On years ago (2018-early 2020) and liked them well enough, but they weren't anything extraordinary. If they release a somewhat normal shoe this year, like an update the the Cloud Surfer, I'll give them a try again. The ultra complicated high stack shoes they are putting out right now I have no interest in.
I didn't mention Chebet as I just thought it was known he prefers the AP3. I'm more surprised we aren't seeing him in AP4 protos yet...
Nope, no AF3 for me. They aren't released in Taiwan yet. The volt colorway was on the Nike TW website as "sold out" for a few weeks but I noticed it just dropped off today as they updated the stock. We did get a bunch of new Zoom Fly 5 colorways though... lucky us. We have a very odd Nike situation going on in Taiwan at the moment as well. So stock is very random, especially the top end models. If you want Nike budget shoes and Pegs and Infinity RN 4s we have those...but not much else.
Surfer and Eclipse are really nice and I personally don't see anything in Adidas and especially Nike lineups that could match those two (daily trainers).
The Adidas Supernova Rise would like a word. The upcoming Adidas SL 2 as well. Nike… well we will see how the Peg 41 is.
I tried the Cloudsurfer on in NYC last fall and was shocked how squishy and soft it was. It was an immediate no for me… I’m hoping the stiffen it up for the next gen.
@@SagasuRunning Surfer is to soft before real break in. After 100km it seemed to firm up a bit and it is more enjoyable.
Interesting… I have no idea how that happens unless the “clouds” are collapsing and firming up the shoe… which at that point… hmmm. Still if they update the surfer… I’ll try it.
Wonder if Evo 1 will go mainstream next year or the tech goes to the next Adios Pro?
From what we have seen… the upper ideas, geometry and shape become the new Adios Pro… though I would assume there is some other magic in there. The Evo 1 as it stands now evolves into a new model. We have seen an Evo C, but it’s unclear what ther shoe actually is as the AP4 has more of the Evo 1 DNA… I’ve got thoughts but need more info.
I make fun of brooks shoes and think of the ghost as the toyota corolla of shoes. That being said, my marathon pr is and i doubt ill ever beat again was in the brooks pure flow 2. 😢
Brooks Ghost = Toyota Corolla… comment of the year, that!
@@SagasuRunning the Toyota is more dynamic though😂
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Interesting about the relative lack of Vaporflys. That said I think I would still opt for a v1 especially now have just got a "new" pair from StockX. Think have concluded prefer it over the v1 largely on fit but also the slightly less soft feeling. Perhaps generally it does sort of show though that these days us "amateur" runners seem to "worry" more about our race shoes than the pros with now seemingly everybody (even Brooks!) having a race shoe that "works" for their athletes even if us UA-camrs might claim that "I can't run a marathon" in xyz. No blacked out Vaporflys these days for sure that, for instance, Chris Thompson used to win the UK 2021 Olympics Marathon trials when he was then an On athlete as I recall.
Oh… I miss the blacked out VF days… I haven’t thought of that in so long!
You just can’t get enough of the vaporweave upper on the VF1… it must be ideal for your foot shape.
Thanks for the recap. Do you think Nike would ever shift Vaporfly to the 'Super Trainer' area and refresh their race category with a new mysterious shoe?
You know, I was thinking about this recently. I doubt it but the market may put it there. In whatever is coming next I bet Nike won’t do it in a way that there are two competing top end models. Plus with the Streakfly 2 in the mix now as a 3rd CFP option… similar story for Adidas at the moment.
Looking at podium shoes in isolation doesn’t tell us too much. What we would need is a really deep dive into who the big brands are sponsoring and how much they are putting into their athlete development programs around the world. For example, ON has done a great job with their professional athletes (like Obiri) and ON Athletic Club (the Coffee Club boys). Their very targeted approach to sponsorship has really helped raise the profile of the brand. At the same time, you rarely see many people in ON race shoes on a typical start line. It is clear that different brands have different strategies for maximizing the impact of their spending.
Fully. They would be an interesting video for those more connect to professional racing (I am not). I’m more interested in the shoe stories, given what I do here, and the related athletes. I do find it interesting to see who is wearing what on these podiums. Over multiple races you get a sense of things as well.
Interesting that CJ ran in the Hyperion Elite 4. I agree that most shoetubers view this shoe as more of an uptempo trainer rather than a racer; but, it worked for CJ.
It definitely did. Despite was in one of the multiple HE5 protos… but CJ had a great race.
@@SagasuRunning 👍
The interesting thing is that the shoe doesn't seem to be determinative of the result anymore in the way that it was when the Vaporfly Elite and 4% were first released. And even up to the Alphafly 1.
There is a much bigger spread now and a lot more competitive shoes out there. It’s still a small handful of what is actually competitive but it’s not longer just one (or two). This only happened in the past 12-16 months and I would say as well.
Because most of em are "super shoes" 😂 across all brands. Everyone wears them. It all boils down to the wearer now. 🤣 It's like saying "if they all wear the same shoe, will they all finish at the same time?". 😂🤣😭
Not completely. The playing field is more level now with shoes… but it’s ultimately about the athlete and their ability. Put a natural athlete, with a good training build, in the fastest shoe… you have min maxed it all. Put the same athlete, with the same build in a mid range shoe and they will still do well but not as well…
Sisay Lemma started his running career competing barefoot because of lack of shoes.
I believe it. He looks like he has seen some things in his life… also, coming from barefoot running I know how possible running long distance barefoot is, especially on dirt roads. Maybe not in 2:06… but 2:20s are there for well browned barefooters
I have 80km on my Proto AF V3, they've been worn in nasty conditions, and rode them to a 2min PB at a 10k TT this weekend. I won't be wearing/looking at them again till Mother's day when I try to go low enough to get a bib for Boston 2025 (probably need to go under 10mins of the current BQ).
By the end of the 2024 race season, we will see that weight matters. I suspect Adidas and Asics are going to do very well. Which will force Nike to jump start their next tech release cycle to try to dominate the market again...time will tell if they will ever be able to do that again.
I agree with this, fully. In fact, beyond the AF3 love… I do think there is a big tech change coming and weight is going to be the next battle ground… which has a few implications for our running shoes.
I’m going to go into depth on this in early May in a video playing out that I think is coming next…
But we are thinking similar things.
The Secret Shoe is the GOAT
Agree! 👍🏻
Interesting how Metaspeed Edge Paris is seemingly more dominant over Sky Paris now, whereas in the previous iterations clearly most runners (and shoe reviewers) picked Sky over Edge. At least that is my impression and observation.
I don’t know if the Edge more dominant but I think the distribution is more evenly split in this generation. Especially because both the Sky and the Edge are essential the same shoe now besides the plate configuration.
Though Asics does still feature the Sky first in most contexts.
Yes seems to be an even distribution between the two now, which I think is a good thing for the future of the line.
Think it was partly that when they first came out the Edge was nowhere to be seen and still it seems it is mainly the Sky that seems to get sent out "for review".
I did notice a few of the UK reviewers are no saying the Edge is the best shoe ever… now that it is in the UK…
@@SagasuRunning I can also think of two sort of saying that the Sky is the best ever without even trying the Edge. Mind you they also seem to think the AF3 is a close 2nd but I struggled there...
Consistency is the key, not the shoe 😊
💯 (but the show rewards that consistency).
Runner up in the comments.. YAY!
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oh wow I expected more Asics Metaspeeds Skys
They were around. Most of the men I saw in Asics seemed to be in Skys.
It proves that the Edge isn’t “just good for 5/10ks”…
Hmm🤔 Asics is sponsoring Paris and they dominate, Adidas in Boston; in Tokyo, Osaka, Sevilla, Barcelona VF2 is still on podium; maybe some runners need to wear for example AF3 on Majors or similar…
VFs are definitely still on podiums but it’s getting less and less. Times have changed it seems… rather suddenly.
@@SagasuRunning i am still whit VF; this time in vol2 (which i buy in nyc, after race, for 80$) in sunday, in London (next shoe picks are VF3 and Edge)
Two great options there!
Inventory might be an issue with what people are wearing as well
Unlikely at this point for the Evo 1 and AF3. If you are a top pro, even mid range pro, for Nike or Adidas you have your pick now. Last fall when both shoes came out there was some limited inventory but not now for sponsored runners.
Additionally, all of these runners have had a chance to do a full training cycle in any shoe they want. So what the pros are racing in are what they WANT to be racing in right now. Not only what they can get.
I would really enjoy a separate video on the Alphafly vs Vaporfly, and maybe on their preferred usages suchs as 5-10k races or training specialties. Thanks for this fun video 😁
Hmm, I don’t see a difference between distances TBH. Let me think about this though. I do have some super shoe videos planned for May.
@@SagasuRunning Because it looks like Nike does market the Alphafly 3 and Vaporfly 3 as marathon racer and all-around super shoe respectively. And ofcourse the high and low plate design would attribute to different applications. But in your opinion this difference is very small and more a preference matter? Thanks 😊
@@WeOut I am going to try to get a bit more into this in a video in May...but what I will say now is that I think it is a preference. Do you like a bouncy or direct ride? Simple as that.
That being said, Nike does seem to be trying to differentiate between the VF and AF as of late. the AF is definitely thair marathon racer, bar none. However, the VF seems to be positioned now as an everything racer (this has actually been the case for a while, but the marketing language is more direct). The VF CAN race the marathon...but it's also very good for all other types of racing. It will be interesting to see where they position the Streakfly 2 in this.
I do think there is an engineering reason as well, though i'll get into that in the video in May.
Great question though...definitely has ben thinking.
@@SagasuRunning thanks so much for the response, looking forward to the video ! Indeed also interested into the Streaklfy 2 and it’s position in this debate. Cheers
So the post race shoe swap is for marketing purposes right? The idea being the brands can't/aren't currently selling the prototype they actually raced in? Obviously changing shoes after a race for an unsponsored athlete is totally normal for comfort, longevity of the super shoe etc. Feels a little sneaky but I guess for the brands they want it both ways, hype the next thing coming down the line and sell what you already manufactured.
I’d assume two things: 1) PR and photos… plus I know I Adidas’s case those shoes in photos go into the archives 2) Get the shoes off so they take no more wear so engineers can assess them post race.
I’m more shocked how FAST they get it done though.
Found it so interesting that top 2/3 in the women's segment weren't in either Adidas or Nike ... Immense effort
To be fair Obiri and Lokedi have been crushing it for a while now. The two of them could run in anything and put down a top race.
@SagasuRunning oh most definitely... curious on your thoughts about the Asics Metas, saw a few out there but none made the podium despite people rating them very highly
There are runners specializing in races with climbs such as Boston and New York and others in flatter races such as Berlin and London. With exceptions, they are not the same people…
@Akdotik it's the runner not the shoes 😊
@casanjt8515 of course but I can imagine every little helps 😊... it's just interesting that Alphaflys & Adios are considered the best in class yet these ladies didn't opt for them & performed just as well maybe even better
My dad used to say, is not the arrow, is the Indian.
All the top athletes are paid and chose from what the brand offers.
Smaller companies can't afford the endorsements for the top athletes, and that leaves out probable good shoes.
Yes… and no. Smaller companies can’t compete on the same level of R&D so likely they also can’t make the top gear. They may stumble on something here and there but the full refinement is out of their reach.
You need the top gear… to get the top talent.
Helen Obiri is not the best female marathoner in the world. She's ranked #11. She's never run faster than 2:20 and she has purposely avoided running fast races with pacers like London or Berlin.
But when she does show… she is a force to be reckoned with. Who would you consider the best female marathoner at the moment?
@@SagasuRunning She's a force to be reckoned with against weak fields. The strongest field in the world will be at London next week. Assefa has run 2:11. She is ranked number 1. Look at Sifan Hassan. She's run 2:14 and twice run 2:18. She's won London and Chicago. I like Helen Obiri. She lives just down the road from me in Boulder. Maybe she can run faster. But I don't think, at age 34, she has a sub 2:15 in her. I'm also guessing she has run Boston 2 years in a row because London is not offering her the big appearance fees that Hassan and Assefa are getting.
No doubt London will be quite a race. I do think a marathoner who can approach, pace and maintain on a course like Boston (without pacers) has strong racecraft. Races with paces may be faster… but it’s a different skillset. Obviously being able to do both is important.