Great question! Depends on the format we are talking about. In terms of limited formats, I think these are fairly accurate. In my deck evaluation video, I reference some empirical data from TCO specifying the win rates of classes, and this seems to line up very well with this list. What I am unsure about will be houses included in highest performing decks that people choose to use in Archon formats. I still feel Shadows and Dis are at the top, but not by much. Untamed and Sanctum have seemed to underperform, and Brobnar has been better than I thought. Like I allude to in this video, I think any class can be great provided you get the best cards in that house and have a synergistic deck.
I have found that ranking each house isn't necessarily useful as I have seen decks with all of the high level houses, but fail because it is missing something. It would be best to break each house into its uses, for example Mars is a field control and build up house, or shadows is amber control/generation
Very helpful review of each House's strengths and weaknesses. I haven't played much yet and this video has great insight into the gameplay and strategy. Keep up the good work.
Paul thanks for the kind words! I will be mixing my content up with these analysis type videos every once in a while as long as the interest for the viewers is there, so I am glad you enjoyed it!
Genuine pro and good video bro'! Thx ! My very first deck, sealled on my first game, was a sanctum/dis/shadows. Very good combos with some good strong creatures and a couple of control cards, resets, etc.. As you said, i think that the "steal" is one of the strongest features in this game. So, Shadows are pretty fine for this. Maybe Mars as well. Like R.Garfield said in a recent interview, he formerly thought to create only 6 houses, but finally he has made a 7th one. I think that some houses are stronger than some others, and so on. For example : Shadows are generally stronger than the "big creature houses" like Sanctum, Brobnar and Untamed. (because shadows have elusive, skirmish etc... much more the three others) but shadows, in another hand, are "maybe" weaker than controle houses like Mars, Logos and Dis ... It could be interresting to make a "form" or a graphic, to gauge the power of every houses... Sorry for my "french english" and my mistakes, concerning your butiful language, "French" kad
I have a dis/shadow/sanctum and a library of the damned which is excellent to archive shadow cards until your opponent has some amber. Real nice little how ya do!
My friend has a broken sanctum, Shadows, Brobnar deck. He has some removal in brobnar as well as big creatures with good fight abilities. In sanctum he has more big creatures, 6 of which give different amounts of bonus shield to his creatures, so he can just sit there with practically unfightable creatures and just reap, and he has 3 blinding lights. In shadows he has a the artifact that readys the first creature played each turn and a bunch of really good amber steal cards. By turn 3 of each game it is clear to his oppenent's and anyone watching that he is going to win the game. He is 19-0.
I've seen several tops of keyforge houses and Mars is always sooo low. But, my greatest deck is a mars one and some other of my really ggod decks are mars. Mars is so good, but I can hear one fact, it's the most "random" house (with logos in my opinion). I explain, if you have 12 great mars cards which are in synergy (for my example, 9 creatures (1 dominator, 2 tunk and other good ones), the cristal hive, the key abduction and the only meh Biometric thing) you are so good to go. But, if you get a random non synergical 12 cards, the deck is not going to be good AT ALL. So maybe not n°1 house but definitely not the 7th! (only my opinion of course)
Sorry but... Don't you think it's going against the game's general philosophy by doing these Kind of power ranking videos while the game isn't out yet? Btw thank you at least for the houses description, greetings from France where we are patientless too!
Hey Patrico thanks for the support from overseas! You can definitely look at it like that, but we still dont know how competitive play and the meta (if there even is one) will develop. I think a lot of these will change when you look at the best decks and strategies a couple months after release. This is just my observations for those who want the info ahead of schedule!
Hey Robert thanks for the insight! Do you have a source behind that? If you are referring to the rules PDF the language is ambiguous at best. The only resources I have seen lead me to believe it is repeated. You could certainly be correct, but I sure they will errata the rules PDF after launch to clear it up.
Yep I am aware of this argument. B&S reads "repeat this card's effect" where this specific rule refers to the wording "repeat a proceeding effect" so I do not know if it is applicable. Could go either way imo.
Kevbot there are two effects on the card, steal an amber and repeat the previous effect. Per the PDF, you don't repeat the whole card just the previous effect. They couldn't have written it more clearly
Bait and Switch Play: If your opponent has more Aember than you, steal 1 Aember. Repeat THIS CARD'S effect if your opponent still has more Aember. Nowhere on the card does it specifically say " repeat the PREVIOUS effect". Many people who know the rules better than me have debated this and I have not seen an argument that leads me to believe either side is 100% correct. I am sure FFG will make a ruling before competitive play starts.
Logos under Sanctum?! Are you high?! Shadows number one?! You're fucking crazy! Judging by the time of this videos upload, I would suspect that this is evaluating the cardpool only from the very first set. Also, bait and switch has been eradicated to not be as busted as it is as printed. I know this a rat came out after the date of this video, but Shadows is still ridiculous because it is the house that directly messes with Amber, which is the entire win condition of the game.
The problem is that you may be looking at quality creatures. Both shadow and Dis rely on stealing amber and removing problemsome creatures. They have pretty weak creatures.
How do you feel this held up now that the game has been out a few days?
Great question! Depends on the format we are talking about. In terms of limited formats, I think these are fairly accurate. In my deck evaluation video, I reference some empirical data from TCO specifying the win rates of classes, and this seems to line up very well with this list. What I am unsure about will be houses included in highest performing decks that people choose to use in Archon formats. I still feel Shadows and Dis are at the top, but not by much. Untamed and Sanctum have seemed to underperform, and Brobnar has been better than I thought. Like I allude to in this video, I think any class can be great provided you get the best cards in that house and have a synergistic deck.
I have found that ranking each house isn't necessarily useful as I have seen decks with all of the high level houses, but fail because it is missing something. It would be best to break each house into its uses, for example Mars is a field control and build up house, or shadows is amber control/generation
Very helpful review of each House's strengths and weaknesses. I haven't played much yet and this video has great insight into the gameplay and strategy. Keep up the good work.
Paul thanks for the kind words! I will be mixing my content up with these analysis type videos every once in a while as long as the interest for the viewers is there, so I am glad you enjoyed it!
Your opinions are your own, human. Martians will always be superior. House Mars for life.
Hahaha thanks for the reply Sam. Tbh Mars is one of my favorite houses, and they can definitely do work with a good card pool!
Just heard about KeyForge two days ago. I am really looking forward to the game and cards. Subbed :-)
Glad you enjoyed it! If you want to get a head start on the game check out The Crucible Online, you can play for free on your internet browser!
Genuine pro and good video bro'! Thx !
My very first deck, sealled on my first game, was a sanctum/dis/shadows. Very good combos with some good strong creatures and a couple of control cards, resets, etc..
As you said, i think that the "steal" is one of the strongest features in this game. So, Shadows are pretty fine for this. Maybe Mars as well.
Like R.Garfield said in a recent interview, he formerly thought to create only 6 houses, but finally he has made a 7th one. I think that some houses are stronger than some others, and so on. For example : Shadows are generally stronger than the "big creature houses" like Sanctum, Brobnar and Untamed. (because shadows have elusive, skirmish etc... much more the three others) but shadows, in another hand, are "maybe" weaker than controle houses like Mars, Logos and Dis ... It could be interresting to make a "form" or a graphic, to gauge the power of every houses...
Sorry for my "french english" and my mistakes, concerning your butiful language,
"French" kad
Thank you my man!
@@kevbot734 Thank you for your work Kev !
kad
SHADOWS FOREVER!!!
I have a dis/shadow/sanctum and a library of the damned which is excellent to archive shadow cards until your opponent has some amber. Real nice little how ya do!
I got Bait and Switch and Ghostly Hand in my first Deck and it's served me well so far.
Yep, that card is sick. Glad it is working out for you!
My friend has a broken sanctum, Shadows, Brobnar deck. He has some removal in brobnar as well as big creatures with good fight abilities. In sanctum he has more big creatures, 6 of which give different amounts of bonus shield to his creatures, so he can just sit there with practically unfightable creatures and just reap, and he has 3 blinding lights. In shadows he has a the artifact that readys the first creature played each turn and a bunch of really good amber steal cards. By turn 3 of each game it is clear to his oppenent's and anyone watching that he is going to win the game. He is 19-0.
I've seen several tops of keyforge houses and Mars is always sooo low. But, my greatest deck is a mars one and some other of my really ggod decks are mars. Mars is so good, but I can hear one fact, it's the most "random" house (with logos in my opinion). I explain, if you have 12 great mars cards which are in synergy (for my example, 9 creatures (1 dominator, 2 tunk and other good ones), the cristal hive, the key abduction and the only meh Biometric thing) you are so good to go. But, if you get a random non synergical 12 cards, the deck is not going to be good AT ALL. So maybe not n°1 house but definitely not the 7th! (only my opinion of course)
I now own 6 decks and all of them have Mars in them and I don’t have a single Shadows house. FML
Sorry but...
Don't you think it's going against the game's general philosophy by doing these Kind of power ranking videos while the game isn't out yet?
Btw thank you at least for the houses description, greetings from France where we are patientless too!
Hey Patrico thanks for the support from overseas! You can definitely look at it like that, but we still dont know how competitive play and the meta (if there even is one) will develop. I think a lot of these will change when you look at the best decks and strategies a couple months after release. This is just my observations for those who want the info ahead of schedule!
Brobnar is Bestnar!
Bait and switch only steals 2 amber maximum. Per English and per the PDF
Hey Robert thanks for the insight! Do you have a source behind that? If you are referring to the rules PDF the language is ambiguous at best. The only resources I have seen lead me to believe it is repeated. You could certainly be correct, but I sure they will errata the rules PDF after launch to clear it up.
Kevbot in the rules PDF under "proceeding, repeat proceeding"
Yep I am aware of this argument. B&S reads "repeat this card's effect" where this specific rule refers to the wording "repeat a proceeding effect" so I do not know if it is applicable. Could go either way imo.
Kevbot there are two effects on the card, steal an amber and repeat the previous effect. Per the PDF, you don't repeat the whole card just the previous effect. They couldn't have written it more clearly
Bait and Switch
Play: If your opponent has more Aember than you, steal 1 Aember. Repeat THIS CARD'S effect if your opponent still has more Aember.
Nowhere on the card does it specifically say " repeat the PREVIOUS effect". Many people who know the rules better than me have debated this and I have not seen an argument that leads me to believe either side is 100% correct. I am sure FFG will make a ruling before competitive play starts.
Logos under Sanctum?! Are you high?! Shadows number one?! You're fucking crazy! Judging by the time of this videos upload, I would suspect that this is evaluating the cardpool only from the very first set. Also, bait and switch has been eradicated to not be as busted as it is as printed. I know this a rat came out after the date of this video, but Shadows is still ridiculous because it is the house that directly messes with Amber, which is the entire win condition of the game.
I have not played yet but from looking at the card list I think shadows and dis are the worst two houses
The problem is that you may be looking at quality creatures. Both shadow and Dis rely on stealing amber and removing problemsome creatures. They have pretty weak creatures.